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Soi and Workwear: Let's Settle This
I see a shit ton of hyper-reactivity to workwear in general on this board. Don’t get me wrong, there are definitely soi dudes who wear this stuff to adopt the appearance of someone who is salt of the earth, but the overreaction to anybody posting a fit on this board that has items such as selvedge denim, chore jackets, or leather boots has become so ridiculous and hyperbolic that the reaction to workwear overall is becoming cringe and baseless. If we are going to be throwing the "SOIIIII!!!!!!" insult everywhere, its important that we define our terms and premises and agree on them.
>How do you define "soi"?
>Are soi and workwear mutually exclusive?
There might be some other good questions to ask that I did not think of. That being said, there are guys on here who actually work a skilled trade that get called a soiboi redditor when they post their fit. The most cringe part is that these insults are likely coming from a zoomer who has never worked a manual labor job themselves. Workwear is a timeless piece of American/Western fashion and whether you like it or not. it’s perceivably never going to go away any time soon.
I don’t give a dog’s red dick about agreement or consensus. All that matters is if you can nail the look or not as an individual, whatever that look may be.
I get that. However, the overwhelming majority of criticism of workwear I see on here is that its effeminate looking dudes who OBVIOUSLY don’t work a skilled trade job. What if the dude in the photo in fact did worked a skilled trade job?
Have you forgotten what site you’re on? Most of these kids’ opinions just don’t matter and they’re just regurgitating meme phrases and terminology to fit in and build a sense of community. But, in relation to your question, it’s obvious that guy isn’t blue collah, so people attack him for his insincerity, which he deserves. IDK how much stake you have in workwear, but I assure you it’s more an issue of the individual rather than the style.
When the…when the soi cringer is basedjack but the gigachad is epically onions and the kekerino is mogging!!!!
who hecking cares?
because the gays that dress like this are awful, boring consumerists and all of the negative aspects of their personality radiates from the clothing. If it wasn’t a trend with Redditors, it probably wouldn’t be so bad
The most expensive item your average skilled tradesman/blue collar worker is going to have is a decent pair of boots. Otherwise it’s probably going to be cheap and durable Walmart-tier clothes that can be destroyed and used again. Carhartt being an exemption, but most Soi types don’t even wear the Carhartt workers wear.
The issue overall lies in the fact it’s a debased Plebbit aesthetic. Which is, at the end of the day, the root of ‘Soi’. An aesthetic worn by leftoid city dwellers who shit upon the blue collar workers and eras of history they appropriate from. If you wear a fit like that, you are joining that club.
I have more respect for hecking dork academia types. Because at least they aren’t decayed Hipsters blowing thousands of dollars to look like weird love children of 1950s blue collar workers and streetwear rappers.
Thanks for the well-thought response. So if I understand you correctly, the soi in workwear is there with city dwelling liberals that spend a lot of money on workwear? I live in a suburb of Portland and there are definitely a ton of people who fit that description when you go into Portland. However, there are also A LOT of these types of people who also work in construction. Construction happens to be one of the three largest industries in the PNW and because of this there are skilled tradesman who live inside the city limits since there work is centered in these areas. If these people are liberals who live inside the cities but are legitimate tradesman who happen to wear nice workwear at home, are they still soi?
Not if they’re just wearing what they need for work. If they’re wearing specific redditcore piece, 300 dollar jeans, and are nerdy looking, then its soi
So nice workwear is soi, even if whoever wears it at home works as a skilled laborer? Why?
I didn’t say that you gay
It can be inferred from what you said.
>300 dollar jeans
That would equate to a "nice" pair of selvedge denim. Even if said person who wore these jeans was an actual skilled laborer, it is still soi? Is it soi ONLY if its nerdy looking? If so, what do you mean by nerdy looking?
I’m assuming you dress and/or look like this? You can deconstruct peoples thoughts about it as much as you like, but its not going to change that most people find these people repulsive.
>Most people find these people repulsive
Really? For wearing selvedge denim? Even if they meet the criteria of legitimately being a tradesman? I think you’re grasping for straws at this point, I seriously don’t think that MOST people hate the look of somebody wearing selvedge denim. I’m only trying to let you clarify exactly what you mean, but you have not provided a coherent point. I work in earthwork and own a pair of selvedge denim because I find value in having separate clothing for home use that was constructed with an objectively higher standard instead of wearing my work duds everywhere.
I have in this thread. You’re intentionally being myopic because you dont want to believe that everyone thinks you’re a tool
No. I’m asking specific questions so that you can clarify your own beliefs and arguments and find out if they really do stand on solid ground. Objectively what has happened is that you have not provided a coherent, consistent point and have instead resorted to ad hominem attacks of character. You chose to give your answer to OP, yet when asked to clarify what exactly you mean you’ve just shut off and called me a tool. The point of this thread is to clarify what constitutes someone as soi and to decide if workwear and soi are mutually exclusive. Typically what I’ve seen people argue is that workwear is soi if the individual lives in a city and does not work manual labor. I asked what if they do in fact work manual labor but live in a city, to which it was answered that you’re soi if you spend a lot of money on your workwear. I asked why that is, to which I was just called names. You’re really not proving anything so far.
Work wear isn’t soi, soibois are soi. If you’re a balding doughball with glasses and a beard, and a face that doesn’t see sun and weather, guess what: doesn’t matter what you wear, you’re soi. If you don’t meet those criteria, congrats, not soi.
I agree with this. It really seems to be about the physical phenotype rather than the clothing itself regardless of how much you spend on the clothing. You could take the soi face and put it into trad East coast prep and it would still be soi
Not just the phenotype, but also the fact that the soibois are reddit-reading weak-wristed/leftist students/office workers/skinnyfat devs = not labour people
Attractive/Successful/Sporty young people have been wearing workwear forever and will continue to do so with success, blending in.
Unattractive feminine men will always look bad, even decked in perfectly faded iron heart 21oz jeans. Doesn’t help that occidental males, even older folks follow the pathetic trend of wearing skinny pants
So ultimately, it’s if you can just pull off the look or not. It seems that attractive dudes or buff dudes are going to be able to pull this off, while frail weaklings or guys with unattractive faces are going to look gay if they put on heavy weight denim or waxed canvas
It’s associated with the gay boys now though. Of course, you can incorporate 1 of those pieces into your outfit without looking ridiculous
It depends on the item though. Jeans and flannels are such an integrated part of American culture especially in the PNW and the rural east coast that nobody cares who wears them. However, when you start getting into the territory of heritage leather boots and heavy weight chore coats then you have to start being selective without looking like a poser
Being ugly has nothing to do with it. Sporty guys with ugly faces can pull off the look. If you want to look good in man clothes, you also need to look like a man. Doesn’t just apply to workwear
I wrote "sporty" – I meant strong.
No, I already explained in this thread. Why are you so autistically defensive about something that so obviously looks bad? Do you dress like this or is it an exercise in deconstruction?
You attempted to explain your point, and when asked to clarify your point when exposed to exceptions you’ve avoided questions and resorted to name calling. If you want to make a point in response to OP’s questions, then your response is going to be filtered through an epistemological framework to see if your conclusions are logically consistent. The fact that you have avoided specific questions aimed to clarify your premises and have instead tried to steer the whole conversation towards a red herring of, “omg why do you care so much?!?”, shows that you have no argument and are resorting to calling me a tool and a gay as a desperate last resort. Personally, I think that workwear can be soi in certain circumstances depending on who is wearing it, but your arguments clearly are not the hill to be dying on. You would have made a much more convincing argument if you focused less on the workwear side of the argument and instead focused more on how you purely define soi. To me, soi has everything to do with facial appearance.
I did clarify though, just not in this chain or responses. I guess that’s where you’re getting mixed up. You’re super autistic. Is this really worth your time?
I’m actually a tradesman and other than the occasional beanie or jacket, no one wears carhartt. That brand isn’t made for working, it’s "work wear" fashion for people that don’t do any kind of manual labor and probably don’t even own a screwdriver. It’s not comfortable and it falls apart really quick. 90% of people just buy Dickies work pants whenever they’re on sale at walmart or online. My non work clothes and dress clothes are expensive because I put alot of money into a small number of quality pieces. My work clothes look like shit and I just throw them away and replace when they get damaged or just look unacceptable. I would never wear any of my work clothes to the grocery store or to any kind of gathering.
I am pretty much the same. As a geotech, I have to muck through mud and stand in the rain all winter especially when drilling, so I don’t spend a lot on my actual work clothes because they’re going to fall apart anyways. I spend more money on a select few pieces of workwear clothes for home use. That way I don’t have to think much about what I’m going to wear day by day and my select few outfits I gravitate toward generally will last me for life as long as I’m not doing shit like concrete or stone work with them.
My Carhartt jacket is really good. My Carhartt overalls are better than any other overalls I’ve owned. I mean "better" in terms of being comfortable and not falling apart and not having idiotic straps that keep slipping throughout the day and requiring readjustment.
I’ve worked in a lot of different jobs from being a draftsman to residential painting to food management, and you’re right, it’s only the jackets and beanies. From what I could gather a few weeks back when I was weirdly researching a brand I don’t wear, Carhartt used to actually hold much more market share in actual genuine workwear among tradesmen, so workers were actually wearing their pants and shirts as well, but Dickies overtook their market share with pants and generally tradesmen over the last couple decades have been wearing branded shirts related to their employer/company because it makes more marketing sense.
That said, Carhartt still seems to have a considerable grasp on genuine workwear because while most workers just get their shit from Walmart and move on, there will always be workers who want something they perceive to be decent quality and will venture into the Dickies/Carhartt realm, and that’s what the current fight is for. I do respect the effort that Carhartt has put in over the last decade to push past strict workwear into more casual wear. They seemed to have struck a deal with Amazon because if you search "beanie" or "shirt", their shit has been one of the top results for around a decade now, with no mention of workwear in the title. I’m sure this happens with other types of clothing for the brand, I just personally remember being introduced to the brand by looking on Amazon for a beanie 10 years ago and then associating the brand with Amazon for years until I learned more when I got into fashion.
Same, it’s the same pair of scruffs work trousers(used to pockets) for me and whatever fleece is on sale for workwear. Primark t shirts for £1.50. Replace about every 12-18 months.
Snickers and Carhartt my guy is perfectly fine workwear, im not let hipsters take that away from us
The best response on the subject I’ve seen. Tradesmen will drop a couple hundred on a pair of boots absolutely. Beyond that it’s just whatever pants and shirts are the cheapest. Maybe a decent jacket if they work in a really cold climate, otherwise it’s just a Hanes pullover sweatshirt
this. most tradies in europe just wear cheap worn out blue jeans and hoodies (usually grey or black), the boots are probably 4x as expensive as the first two pieces combined lmao
>The most expensive item your average skilled tradesman/blue collar worker is going to have is a decent pair of boots.
You’d think so, but a lot of my coworkers would just buy garbage wal-mart boots if the company didn’t have a program to get free boots through. Lot of hecking idiots where I work, though.
Work wear draws criticism because for many it is the contemporary variation of the "lumbersexual" hipster dogshit of the early 2010s. It’s a weird metrosexualization of a drastically different lifestyle than that of the wearers. Presenting yourself as if you’ve experienced adversity or overcome a certain challenge without having done so is lame. This is textbook poser behavior and the fact that it’s often soft office workers donning the apparel of skilled tradesman and manual laborers (without the wear patterns of actual use) gives it a stolen valor angle with a class twist.
If the outfit doesn’t have the wear and character that actual use bestows it, then it becomes but a costume, an adherence to a trendy style as opposed to the expression of the individual.
As for your example i would not call that an agregious example of inauthentic workwear, carhartt jacket is pretty versitile and mainstream anyways. That guy looks onions because of his build and his surroundings. Dudes got star wars and Seinfeld and a bunch of other pop culture shit in prominently display. Looks like he’s got a desk job and would openly discuss Adventure Time or Tame Impala with colleagues.
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kino.
>OP complains about hyper-reactivity
>defensive OP hyper-reacts to the word “soï” and makes a thread to protect his fragile ego
Oh damn, pulling out the good ol reverse psychology. How will OP ever recover
>Workwear is a timeless piece of American/Western fashion
The key problem is thinking of it as fashion and not functional clothing. If you’re a carpenter, then it makes perfect sense to wear workwear. The same goes for skateboarding – I wear double knee carhartt pants when I skate because anything else just gets worn out too quickly. The problem is you now have geeky soiboys who have adopted it as a fashion statement, when really they’ve never seen a day of hard graft in their lives.
>implying skating is work
youre more soi than any other heckwit wearing this shit
I think he was just making a point about clothing being functional instead of for merely aesthetic purposes. He wears the double knee beacuse of the extra wear to that part of pants for skaters.
Trash tier b8
so its not about work or labourers, its about only certain people being allowed to wear functional clothing or it’s "reddit"? sounds stupid
I actually just joined this convo, I have no idea about the whether it’s reddit or not crap, thread too long
Alright y’all i think im gonna have to give my opinion on this one since obviously y’all need it.
Workw-ACK!
>y’all
Terrible b8, m8
>b8
lmao
newfag
2008
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/8
I’m assuming you wear this kinda shit lol no one else thinks this looks good other than MFA
i just hate that workwear is an aesthetic because i only acquired so much of it years ago “before it was cool” because i was actually a handy man in college.
muh stolen valor bro.
plus, it was cool when the skate community adopted it. you don’t work blue collar and you don’t skate? that’s some poser shit right there
It’s not specifically that he’s wearing workwear, there’s more to it than just that. He framed the picture in a way to show off his guitars, media collection, interior design, and tried to casually pose for the picture. The hood is perfectly shaped and the actual clothing is perfectly clean with the exact proper fitting. I mentioned this before in that thread, but I hecking hate that beanie on him. Maybe if he didn’t wear it high it would be different, but wearing a bright neon orange beanie is something a black person does, or at least an urban person, not some pasty white guy.
It’s both the fact that he’s wearing his beanie in that fashion as well as the fact that he’s your stereotypical 30-something balding white guy with glasses that likely still listens to the Shins and Arcade Fire. The workwear is just a symptom of him following trends for outside validation, and definitely not the root cause of why people are calling him soi. A lot of people casually wear workwear and few people consider that soi.
The beanie really is the cherry on top of the douche
>shins and arcade fire
obscure and indie music references are also so very sus and soi lol
>arcade fire
>obscure
they pride themselves on listening to obscure musak but its just shit like Mac Demarco, tame impala, and some garbage dad rock
legit question, though it’s obviously just a rephrase of the OP question
where is the magical cutoff for "deserves to wear x" and "soiboi faking gay" within all of these random points. I’ve always worn some variation of muh workwear/americana/vintage/military repro shit, though nothing as crisp or put together as what’s been posted in the past few shit-flinging threads, and I’ve worked quasi manual labour (lead cook, mfg, demo, receiving, currently up to a shipping/floor manager), but never heavy duty stuff like forestry, construction, or even a skilled trade. I have random Dickies, Denver Hayes, Carhartt (even WIP) stuff that hasn’t died quite yet, but also more casual and expensive shit, including very expensive repros. I guess before this gets out of hand, to simplify, I have or do at least half of this shit that people are losing their minds over, like media visible on shelves, drink expensive beer, listen to trash from the 00s, have poor eyesight, etc. but I also don’t own a single clean/unmolested article of clothing from a workwear brand, don’t display my musical instruments out of their cases, and don’t take fit pics. but most importantly, I wear a toque correctly
tl;dr where’s the magical cut off of things you’re allowed to do/wear
Idk man, sounds like you’re just living your own life and you happen to like the versatility and durability that workwear offers. In real life I don’t think anybody would really give a heck. The only people that sperg out about soibois wearing carhartt or expensive workwear are idiots on this board. It at least seems like you’re not being a mega consumerist gay and flaunting your interior decoration and fits on the internet for validation. To me, I think it becomes soi when you have an effeminate male wearing really expensive selvedge and heavy waxed canvas jackets but literally never putting it to use and it remains flawless. I may be wrong, but the essence of soi is very much dependent on the face and physical phenotype. You could be buff, have masculine features, and have a thick beard but not actually do manual labor and you wouldn’t be soi. However, if you’re not working a manual labor job and you look like an effeminate male, you’re definitely soi.
serious question here
what is an effeminate male? What is the cutoff for "male" and "female", or rather, at what point does something stop being manly and start being effeminate? I work as a hairdresser and see a lot of effeminate males that tend to have very manly tendencies like grabbing eachother’s asses and sucking eachother’s cocks as bros, but I’ve also ran into burly manly men who do girly things like get haircuts and use skin products.
idk what the cutoff would be
Wear whatever the heck you want and pay no heed to whatever autists in this board say. Nobody outside of this place and perhaps a few other niche places wpuld think any of it. And even if they did, what the heck are they gonna do about it? Do you think any of the autists here would have the balls to say shit to your face if they came across you somewhere? You sound like a sensuble person and as such, you shouldn’t listen to what 90% of parroting contrarians in this board say. Perhaps including myself. You do you man.
>you do you, heck what others think
I suppose I should have included this fairly important point that applies (or should) to most people. I’m definitely not insecure in what I wear, but I’m also very curious as to how people come to such strong conclusions about a rando based on them posing in clothing in front of stuff in their home.
like sure, some of these are excellent cherry picks of "how to be judged" in one photo, but most people aren’t that far into a category of personality. then again, I guess most people don’t go seek validation from the internet. or maybe I’m just an old man yelling at clouds and that’s a silly assumption to make now with the proliferation of social media and the way we interact with the world
maybe it really does just boil down to living your own life and learning what you like, rather than seeking validation by parroting a style you saw once because you haven’t truly learned what works for you. and maybe some people can see right through that bluster. though some people are probably just being cunts, too
idk, at this point I’m just musing inbetween sets in my garage. it’s such a fascinating study of people that I can’t quite grasp or properly put into words
>lol just don’t be ugly and fat
eh, I think that only makes it harder, not impossible at all. it’s such a simple way to look at it, though no one would deny that being attractive and in good physical shape will help you in many ways
The way I see it, "soi" is all about the person, and has very little to do with what he is wearing. Sure, these soft pudgy emasculated hecks do seem to gravitate towards certain styles. But think about it like that: bro would still be soi if he was wearing a suit, or sweatpants, or business casual.
Yeah. Soi is more so about a physical body type and facial structure than the things he surrounds himself with. It’s the effeminate face with the facial hair and pair of glasses. Throw in a dabble of leftist political views and there you have it
>maybe it really does just boil down to living your own life and learning what you like
yeah. this is it. you can just tell that everything in these guys life is manufactured and contrive to receive validation AND THEY’RE STILL DESPERATELY FAILING LOL
>You do you man
yeah, you’re definitely one of these gays
Bro wrote a heartfelt letter lol just don’t be ugly and fat.
Holy shit didn’t read but we get it already, you’re dilating over the fact that your soi tendencies are being called out
>all these long blog posts discussing issue
>lol didn’t read
>but
excellent contribution gay. go away
OP you’re a gay
>all these posts agreeing that using workwear without being in the trades is peak soi
>b-but is it really???
>here’s why you should make an exception for (Me) and my soi ass
lol excellent cope thread OP. go away
The fundamental question is whether the soi purely has to do with not being in the trades, or if it has to do with the face. Which is it? If someone wears workwear without working in the trades, but has undeniable masculine physical features, is it still soi?
Why not both? If someone has undeniably masculine features and wears perfectly reddit curated workwear then I dont think itd look bad to normal people compared to OP, but it would probably be noticeable to us, because it’d be obvious that the guy is dressing in a contrived way to look cool
Okay, but is it specifically soi? I can agree that it would look contrived to someone with a trained eye, but does that make it soi, or just contrived?
I don’t think it’s purely a yes or no question, masculine features without being in the trades is soi but nowhere near as soi as effeminate features without being in the trades
Non-masculine features in the trades kind of cancel out
Hmmmm I disagree. To me, soi has EVERYTHING to do with the face. I don’t even think it’s related to clothing, interests, political opinions, or choices of interior decoration. The one single feature that everybody can instantly recognize as soi is the effeminate body and face with the facial hair and glasses. If I saw Jason Momoa walking around in a pair of redwing iron rangers and a waxed canvas jacket, I would just label him as a poser. Using your reasoning, he would be labeled as soi, but we all on an intuitive level would know that that isn’t the correct label to apply to someone like him. Bringing it back to OP’s questions:
>Soi is defined by an effeminate facial appearance and corresponding facial hair, glasses, and frail body type
>Soi and workwear are mutually exclusive. Soi gets involved within the realm of workwear depending on the individual who wears it and whether they meet the criteria listed in the above-mentioned definition of soi
my point was that the post being quoted doesn’t really sound like someone who’s never worked or wears a sparkling new detroit jacket, but the immediate stupid knee jerk reaction is "you’re a gay who larps in workwear and got called out"
either contribute, troll probably, or heck off
>because it’d be obvious that the guy is dressing in a contrived way to look cool
but how can you tell from one photo if the hecker is a barista, investment banker, or tradie, if the clothes and face are the same. you can make assumptions, but it’s still a hecking guess
All the MFA reddit approved pieces together is what’s contrived. I’m somewhat indifferent to if they actually work manual labor.
Why is it wrong to wear workwear as a non-labourer? It’s just one type of fashion.
Because you look gay in it, giving laborers a bad name.
why would someone look gay just by wearing workwear?
You look gay before you put it on.
But why are gay?
This is LULZ, literally everyone on here larps as either a six-figure earning investor or a blue collar construction foreman. So the reaction to workwear is literally like the zogbots that get triggered about "stolen valor", except they aren’t construction workers, most anons on here are so pale and skinny I guarantee they never built anything in their lives
Summary: Memelords here hate certain face shapes. They would crap on literally anything the previously mentioned wear.
The whole thing about appropriating workers clothing is just a contrived way to insult people they know nothing about.
>Y-youre just being mean!!!1!
back to r*ddit, soiface
>pojecting
Post your face lol.
>n-no u
Lol
Lmao
Kek, even
Face now twinkle boi.
What, so you can repost it to pretend you’re white? No thanks
It’s okay if you are too busy fellating some black cocks, twinkie.
Gee anon you sure do know a lot about twinks and sucking cocks
Nothing actually. Can’t be expert pillow biter like yourself.
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Imagine gatekeeping fashion.
Which actual workers are offended that people who are not workers wear workwear anyway?
>nooooo not the heckin gatekeeperino!!!!
Gatekeeping is good, newgay zoomie
White American are offended by literally everything.
Evidently ITT.
Came to 4chin and find male Karen, wut?
The real question should be why do so many guys who dress like this have the exact same physiognomy? Are they making these guys in a lab?
These types of clothing have very good marketing.
>MUH STOLEN VALOR
hecking kek, as if anyone who’s an actual laborer looks like that, it’s like if some autist dressed in 18th century military uniforms and people dissed him for being a poser and trying to look military.
Gatekeeping stupids on the same level as social justice warriors with their cultural appropriation, all of you.
Alright guys, what’s the consensus on cuffing your selvedge with a pair of leather boots?
cuffing is a no go
Why
its redditcore to show off the seams for some reason. just get pants that fit or hem them
Yes, but it also just looks aesthetically pleasing. I guess I’m just a gay then
the association overrides whether or not its aesthetically pleasing
Association with Reddit? Is it exclusively something that Redditfags do and not /fashion/ggots or even just normal people?
yes. only reddit. no one who does not use reddit cuffs their jeans. no one on /fashion/ has ever done so either. obviously
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Oh my god, I am horrified
wear your cuffed jeans and iron ranger esque boots drone
>projection.png
cuffing looks like shit, doubly so with boots, but you’re deluded as heck if you think it’s isolated to le plebbit
I don’t. That’s just what I associate it with, so it’s hard to disconnect it from that, especially with raw denim
You’re not a plebbit, are you?
No
do you think reddit invented selvedge?
Men have been cuffing pants since pants were invented. It’s not exclusive to denim, selvedge or not. Jeans used to come in designated waist size with all sizes having a long inseam. It was up to the wearer, if he could afford it, to get his jeans hemmed. Many "heritage" denim brands still use this method, with all inseams being around 36". Pic rel is a Levi’s ad from the 1930s-1940s. I have read that these tall cuffs were used to double as extra pockets as well
/fashion/’s problem with raw, selvedge, cuffed, etc. denim stems from r*ddits appropriation of it. In reality, no one outside of the aforementioned forums is going to care, or even know, about "raw" denim, "selvedge" denim, or any of /fashion/’s animosity towards it or r*ddit’s infatuation with it
Just because it was common historically doesn’t mean it’s appropriate now, though. It’s just like wearing a fedora, yeah they were ubiquitous for a time in the early ’20th century but 95% of people are gonna look ridiculous and LARPy wearing one now.
I was thinking of a fedora too when I read this lol
It looks like shit all together because it’s a costume that all these guys wear and doesn’t fit their personality. If some guy wore workwear, it’s not inherently bad, it’s just the combination of all the same pieces that all these guys wear
Oi mate, where is your State issued AI Screened Personality-Costume Compatibility Loicense?
Do you have a license to post this?
You need to take a test to prove your personality fit your online content. The test will also determine the websites you are allowed to access.
Sir, please step away from the laptop and do not resist.
now you’re responding to the same posts with the same shit? so, get down to it. You think OP looks good?
Notice how the soi consoomers never responded to this post
It is obvious the OP looks like trash for multiple reasons, that isn’t the controversy. It’s the gatekeeping happening over a fit that anyone can conjure up at their local Walmart on accident. It’s laughable someone finds it worth the effort.
>doesn’t mean it’s appropriate now
please explain to me how cuffing pants is not "appropriate". You can come up with as many analogies and vague "it’s just not appropriate bro" arguments all you want, but you’re not going to prove any point if you do not explain WHY cuffing (or raw denim, selvedge denim, denim with leather boots, or whatever you’re against here) is wrong
Because gays do it. Simple as. Why aren’t fedoras cool?
someone else failed to pull something off so you wont go near it cause ur terrified lol. when were you first called a gay anon, it was at a formative age? overcome your fears, find peace
It also just doesn’t look fashionable and is dated even as gay attire
>Because gays do it
So in reality this just circles back around to what I said earlier. Redditors on fashion subs do it, so /fashion/ HAS to hate it. Redditors also breathe air, maybe you shouldn’t
im pretty neutral about it looks wise, but I dont want people to think that I think its fashionable because gays do it. You can accept my justification or not, but that’s how I feel
Fedoras are cool.
This is a pretty lousy argument. Yeah, fedoras are cringe, but they are limited to a fringe subculture of guys who are arguably losers in many other realms of life. Jean cuffing is done amongst way more people from many different backgrounds and is a universally accepted practice of fashion despite some people getting really autistic and angry over it
you type like a gay and are a gay
Oh heck bro you heckin got his ass
thank you brother
>Sir, I need you to take it off
>You a-are soi. You are not a laborer
>*Push glasses I’ll have you know, you can not wear this without being an actual laborer. This is stolen valor. You don’t work in them
>You are offending me by continuing to wear a piece of cloth
>My feeling is very hurt
>I will have you know, if you continues to appropriate blue collar, muscular, buff, lean men fashion that I daydream about, then I will write very ebin diss about you on LULZ
nice strawman. you really think this looks good?
Sorry I hurt your feeling. Will you cry about it on here or reddit?
The stolen valor angle is fair though. Authenticity in fashion choices is a spectrum from actual fraud (stolen valor, wearing a uniform from a job you don’t have) through to complete coherence between what/who you are and what you wear (cowboy hat on actual cowboy).
Soiboys often try to push the boundaries of what they can get away with because deep down they know their core identity is embarrassing.
There’s plenty of authentic fashion choices for autists, weirdos and schizos. It’s why rick owens was so popular here. Soiboys on the other hand are limited to large IP merchandise like star wars and pickle rick t shirts, Current Thing religious devotion (Ukraine flag, I love my trans kid, etc) and bland neutral shit from target or uniqlo. Even the last category is pushing it because everyone knows every moment not spent in ecstatic [brand] worship imposes intense mental strain on a soi.
>George W Bush, ex president, not a cowboy, sported cowboy boots during his inauguration.
>immediately executed and derived for stolen valor
Kek
>It is year 2022
>Personal freedom of expression is over
>Every American is required to do personality check
>AI will assign your state sanctioned fashions
>You can only wear what the AI allow you to wear
Oi! You got a loicense for that large brim hat? You’re not a committen fraud pretending to be an official large brim hat wearer, are ya?
The phrase “stolen valor” has some connotations that I simply refuse to attribute to ordinary laborious work, sorry. Is it a type of appropriation that some may disagree with? Perhaps, but stolen valor is more than someone just dressing for a job they don’t have. There is a level of assholery that goes into pretending you fought in Vietnam or Iraq vs dressing up like a tradie (or let’s be honest, from the south in general) that makes a difference.
Anyways I agree with the rest of your post.
I have more respect for manual laborers than zogbots
Do you guys like my workwear fit?
>that shoulder to waist ratio
No, no, no. The "work" in workwear refers to skilled physical labor. Think lineman or aircraft mechanic. Burger flippers, cashiers, and grocery baggers fall under wagecuck/slave core.
It was a joke
Leave it to the fur gay sperg to not understand sarcasm
Where is your grease, blood, coffee stains?
How dare you appropriate worker’s uniform without the hard earned wears and characters bestowed upon by using the piece?
stolen valor
>Be blue collar worker
>Uniform actually consist of cheap, disposable walmart tier stuffs that are filthy with dirt and oil that you would not actually wear outside
>Dress up nice for dinner in business casual / smart casual
>Immediately tackled to the ground for wearing above mentioned without being an office worker
waste your time on as many green texts as you’d like focusing myopically on one critique. it doesn’t change the fact that this looks like shit.
What in particular looks like shit? Be specific. Hate to break it to you, but if you’re actually trying to argue that the general style (heritage workwear) that Americans have worn for almost a century look like shit, you’re choosing to die on the wrong hill.
>f-heck he is right
>I need to change the subject as vaguely as possible
He as in you? Defend it if you want to. Say it looks good if you think it looks good. Don’t obfuscate to protect yourself from criticism
>Claim other being myopic
>Don’t see the point himself
How do you even function?
the point of what? You’re presenting a strawman of people saying that dressing like that is not genuine, while ignoring the other critiques. Do you not think that people should dress in accordance with their personality? That being said, people like OP have awful, inauthentic personalities, so there’s not really any way that they could dress that’d look good. And it’s not workwear in general, its the specific pieces that they all wear together like I said here
but you just responded with the same shit. You can rework your same satire a hundred times, its not strengthening your argument.
Your logic is shit. Flimsiest foundation ever.
I think people should post in accordance to their intelligence. Your awful, inadequate intelligence can not make anything you write sound good, and it is not this topic in general.
>your awful
you’ve never even attempted to defend why this looks good and ignore all the criticism in the thread. You’re not even debunking my supposed idiocy, just calling me stupid.
You must dress like this because you’re way too emotionally invested in defending this style
>I only have assumption and nothing else
Nah I just like to mess with guys who make the dumbest argument using contrived fallacies.
>You’re not even debunking my supposed idiocy
Can’t teach a rock to read.
There are no fallacies. It’s a hecking opinion. You’re trying to sound smart, while also being vague to shield yourself against criticism. It’s transparent and embarrassing.
Sure thing senpai.
>so there’s not really any way that they could dress that’d look good
So what are you suggesting? That they go naked?
>put on running shoes to go to the store for milk
>gunned down on the sidewalk outside your house for only walking briskly
Here’s the rule I got for myself. When using garments from an identity, subculture or profession I’m not really part of (workwear, milsurp, cowboy/western, etc.) I keep it to a major piece, which is the statemen item around which the rest of the fit is constructed, and maybe a minor accesory piece. As an example a military parka (major piece) could be paired with military boots.
What I don’t do is make a full fit out of something, because that’s close but not quite cosplay territory.
Anyway, that’s how I go about it as a general rule. There are exceptions in which I go full larp on something.
I don’t think shit is getting settled in this thread lol. How about we agree dressing up in a full leather boot, carpenter pants, workwear jacket larp is stupid, but at the same time acknowledge that some pieces of workwear are stylish and can be borrowed for the merely aesthetic purposes
How about:
>See s8iface
>Laugh at s8iface regardless of what he wear
>Non s8iface wearing workwear, western, military, camping, fishing, hiking, boating, etc
>Leave non-s8i alone because it is fashion, who give a shit?
This is it. The full heritage workwear style isn’t at all bad. It has EVERYTHING to do with the face and body of who is wearing it
full heritage can be bad if you’re wearing the specific pre-approved pieces that all these guys wear, even if you’re a hot guy. take Hassan piker for example. he’s not a bad looking guy, but the way he dresses still makes him look like a b***h.
>Wear full heritage
>I’m afraid I can not let you do that, Dave.
You’ve posted this cringe shit like 10 times already. Come up with a new premise.
>Wearing my meme japanese selvedge yarn dyed, ring spun, cock twist denim, inspired by something carpenter in 1950s Missoula, Montana wears, that I like the look of.
>Totally on my way to pretend Im an actual laborer.
>The item is totally similar to the company issued logo’d uniform T shirt that actual workers wear. They will never catch on. My disguise is a masterpiece.
I think Santa Clause should only dress like Santa Clause. Elves should dress like Elves. Conservatives should dress like conservatives. Democrats should dress like Democrats. Because it is authentic to your personality.
You convinced me with this one. Only took 15 of the same posts for you to really drill it into my head
If you remotely care about the opinions of people who toss around words like suy then you are a fool
Soi is gay in 2022 but women definitely don’t respect these guys
We are past idiocracy and past clown world, which was replaced by demon world in 2020.
Serious questions here. At what point is something considered workwear? For example, would the standard pair of selvedge denim, redwing iron rangers and flannel look be considered workwear? If so, would it still be considered workwear if you wear chuck taylors instead of boots? I could imagine that once you add on a heavy duty jacket it starts to become obvious workwear, but some of this stuff really seems like it exists in a gray area. Jeans, flannels, and leather boots are such commonplace items that it seems like they start to go outside of the realm of workwear and into regular clothes you just wear casually. Those 3 items are arguably the best clothing items you can wear regardless whether you’re a tradesman or not because they not only look timeless and universal and can look rather nice for dress clothes, but they have that durability for the added utility whenever it’s necessary. Speaking as an earthworker, you never see people wearing selvedge denim and flannels on job sites. It’s always either carharrt pants or wranglers with a high vis hoodie in the winter and high vis t shirt in the summer. This is why it’s confusing to me why I have seen people conflate selvedge, flannels and leather boots with workwear
‘Workwear’ is not actually an approximation of modern workwear. It’s a metrosexualized appropriation of idealized Mid 20th Century workwear. With ridiculously up-jumped prices. Watch say, On the Waterfront with Marlon Brando, take the fits of dockworkers verbatim, but have it done out $500+ per piece bespoke. Mixed with flourish with LARPy streetwear to reflect what poor Hood rappers were able to thrift in the ’90s.
It’s not the Kohls flannel you’d see on a hunter under an orange vest. The Carhartt overalls bought from Farm World or Carhartt jeans bought at a Boot Barn for yard labor. It’s not the beater steel-toe boots a warehouse worker uses to avoid his feet being crushed.
In short, a combination of lifestyle held by the wearer, the use of items in certain fits, the irony, or lack thereof in the people wearing them, and the amount of money one spends for said fits. $3000 fits made to allow people who shun traditional masculinity feel masculine.
oh so ppl on here are mad that "workwear" has become a soi aesthetic because they idolize it
tru
Stop typing like a gay
the thought process here is
overweight manchild chud larping in military stuff from centuries past =heckin le based!
overweight manchild soiboi larping by wearing uhhh functional off the shelf clothes = cringe
Hey
Basically I’m just not gonna wear workwear
I know…. UGH I know ….. I’m sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s just that I’m not gonna wear it is all
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
>I have no real thought and opinion. My only personality is to go against whatever reddit likes.
>Watch say, On the Waterfront with Marlon Brando
I’ve been eyeing Aero Leather’s repro of Brando’s jacket for years now. Great movie
Red wing iron rangers, a flannel, and selvedge denim is peak soi core. It’s not even that workwear is bad. It’s just that shit
Okay, what type of workwear is "good"? Is selvedge in the big picture cringe? Are Iron Rangers themselves cringe? Is it the combination of the two that makes it cringe?
It’s just played out online from people telling autists this is what their first big boy outfit should be. Yeah it’s a little dated but normies are not gonna care and the truth is it’s still better than video-game tshirts and flip flops
I definitely see autist leftoid types who wear this, but I also see normal people wear it too. Hang me for treason, but I really don’t even think its a bad outfit and its arguably a universal staple of fashion at this point. Sure its been overdone a bunch, but so has chinos and low top Vans or jeans and converse and nobody seems to b***h about those clothing combos
Yeah I’m with you, its a staple for a reason. Dark skinny jeans are a bit dated but put some wider lighter wash jeans or chinos with and it’s absolutely fine.
it’s literally just reactionary rightoid seethe because they got called larpers/stolen valour for trying to wear army stuff. Because normies/"progressives" occasionally wear this stuff they’re trying to make a false equivalency. Go check out the milspo, neofolk or terrorcore threads if you want to laugh at the people who are telling you that you can’t wear jeans or dickies if you don’t do hard labour 100 hours a week.
I’m somewhat familiar with terrorcore and neo folk, but are those subcultures more right-leaning? If so, that’s pretty ironic lol
Neofolk is literally code for dressing like a nazi, yeah
What did you mean by them attempting to make a false equivalency. Forgive me if I’m not too keen on all the nuanced dynamics of what goes on in /fashion/
I meant they’re trying to say that wearing workwear is just as larpy as wearing 50 year old military shit or dressing like a terrorist, which it is very obviously not
Yeah I mean if we want to split hairs, the military larp is arguably worse because it’s so far removed from normal people, whereas workwear has to some degree been integrated into western fashion for decades now
Don’t forget the southeast US, where workwear is pretty rampant as a fashion.
both are good just neither look good when brand new. all the "lol plebbit cringe" pics are some guy posting stuff he just bought on /r/mfa. he’ll probably look fine in a couple months though.
also imo the usual "muh workwear" color sheme is just not great, red flannel blue jeans brown boots is just not a great look. darker greenish flannel, darker jeans, brown boots, might actually look fine. most guys just dont look great in red anyway.
An adult can pick out a soft b***h. Soft b***hes look silly in workwear. Everyone looks silly in pristine new workwear. You might have autism if you can’t figure this out.
Look through this thread. Anyone who thinks this is /fashion/ is clearly autistic
Additionally cuffing is only done by two groups of people. Kids wearing handed down pants, and hipster’s overpaying for trendy “workwear.” Adults buy pants that fit.
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I get a lot of tradie customers in my grocery store. The only carhartt they wear are the beanies and occasionally the shirts. Jackets are Dickies.
>Let’s settle this
Nothing of value was mentioned in this thread.
Let me tell you about the time i joined Ethan Wongs patreon discord
>get in
>most users use their whole legal name as a username
>character of the neighborhood is about what you’d expect, mostly normies of the californian liberal hipster variety
>have some good conversations about menswear, but it quickly becomes obvious that my attitude to style is different from everyone elses
>make some mistakes and voice some incredibly milquetoast right leaning opinions about the negative effect of trap music on black culture or some shit
>people start getting assmad, including the resident “”workwear”” guy, spencer (picrel on right), who gets mad enough to tell me to “sit down and shut up”
>casually tell the person (with he/him in his username) trying to do a “sleazecore” outfit that the look doesn’t work because he’s a twink with glasses
>he immediately throws a b***h fit, seems to genuinely hate me
>try to defend it as harmless banter
> spencer the manly bearded workwear man unironically tells me “banter is a dogwhistle”
>ethan bans me and, credit to him, respectfully tells me that i just don’t belong there and that he’s gonna refund my subscription
Respectfully, heck your server and its urbanite shitlib weenies, I’m gonna make my own menswear discord with blackjack and hookers.
Link is open for anyone who wants to join.
It sounds awfully a lot like grooming heh
post fit
or if you’re the young einstein looking stupid don’t and kys
posted.
I also bought a fine as hell pinstripe suit recently, in a very 1940s style complete with a high waistcoat and dropped belt loops
im 19
they’re californian liberals but i wouldn’t go that far, they’re normies after all
its the terminally online weirdos you have to worry about
ohboyherewego.tiff
What’s with the 90s neon disco shirt?
its nice
it also has french cuffs, and is made out of 100% cotton. I can tolerate a little bit of polyester in a suit, but i wont touch a shirt with anything but cotton or linen in it
>this is the guy trying to give you advice on clothing
I’ll admit, not my best outfit. The tie and pocket square I actually bought for a Howard Hamlin cosplay (that I, unfortunately, did not finish in time for the convention I went to (pic related).
The shirt doesn’t really go with the suit, and the tie is definitely too saturated to really go with anything.
I’ll keep the shirt, but I’ll probably pair it with a navy blue, burgundy, or bottle green suit next time around.
Also, I’m wanting to sell the brown suit as soon as I have something better (its my only suit at the moment).It’s a horrible poly-rayon bargain-bin suit I only bought for my sister’s wedding to fit the color scheme. The jacket is horribly short, the button stance is too high, and the shoulders bunch a little.
Picrel is also probably a better combination of shirt, suit and tie.
That’s a great way to kill the already smothered cultural relevance of tailoring (i mean hell, it already killed the /sprezz/ threads here). Gatekeep all you want, but I think the opposite approach would be a messy, but healthy injection of fresh blood. You don’t get anywhere by putting down people
I don’t dress like this because it’s convenient, or cheap, because, with my measurements, shipping costs, and financial means, it’s anything but.
I do it because I’m genuinely passionate about it, and if it means learning to turn my wardrobe into a revolving door of stuff I buy and then teach myself eBay to sell just so I can fail upwards into dressing well, so be it. I won’t spend the best years of my life wearing jeans and t-shirts waiting to dress exactly the way I want. That would hecking kill me inside.
Plus, talk shit about cosplayers all you want, they’re passionate about their craft and are enjoying themselves no matter how "CRINGE DURR BRIDGE" some bitter heck thinks they look. I genuinely don’t take that as any sort of insult
>keeping this dogshit thread alive
sorry
sadge
holy heck are you blind??????
No one should touch this style until they can afford it, which means mid-late 30’s/early 40’s at the earliest.
Nothing looks worse than cheap/outdated classic menswear. It’s like bad cosplaying.
yeah this too. soicore looks better than cheap menswear
My god, this is pretty much what fedoracore has morphed into. This little gay thinks he has it all figured out. Only 19, pretty much says a lot
Yeah they sound like pussies, but also you must be at least 18 years of age to post here
heck forgot
https://discord.gg/NcujH4DS5j
>19 year old buys into boomer moral panic about the dangerous jazz trap
>everyone laughs at the brainwashed stupid
>waaah they hate me cuz im white
lmao
>waaah they hate me cuz im white
strawman
also if you think trap is just as culturally rich and dignifying as jazz then you need to get a hecking clue
I don’t see the need for there to be a separate genre for "trap" at all. It’s like those stupids who think their 3 favorite literally who metal bands need a special name. Or hey, remember the "bazombo trance" thing that turned out to be something that the guy who wrote the liner notes from that one album basically just pulled out of his ass? Probably not because you don’t seem to know much about music.
Point being this has nothing to do with my personal views on trap, and everything to do with you being a reactionary boomer who probably found out about it from bill o’reilly.
stupid tier post. What should trap fall under? Hip hop? You think playboi carti should be in the same genre as Erik B and Rakim? Also, you think the glorification of violence and criminality has no effect on the black community? Media doesn’t at all influence people? I can’t think of a genre of art that has more negative effects than modern rap. You can write it off as boomer shit with your reductive reasoning.
Lol
What is the point of this? Helter Skelter? I’m sure you’ll bring up video games in the 90s too, because if something is false once then its always false.
Don’t get mad at me I’m not the one claiming that some shitty myspace-tier music by black zoomers (urrrgh you can’t even understand the words!) is why kids are shooting each other after school. It was video games before, before that it was rap, then the rock and roll, before that it was jazz
You couldn’t sound more like a reactionary boomer if you tried
okay its genetics then. heck off with you dichotomy.
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you’re just uncritically repeating talking points you heard on network television for boomers.
The alternative explanation, which is seeming more likely at this point, is that you, dougdevious, wouldn’t expect "the white community" to randomly spawn a batch of crazed murderers in their midst just from broadcasting a rock and roll album. But at the same time you’d be unsurprised if a strapping young buck were to pick up a gun and start killing after listening to a naughty song, because that’s just how they are. Or to summarize, because genetics.
Or am I missing something here? What kind of person hears a song and goes "oh hey I think I’ll kill some people now", do you live in a cartoon world?
You’re truly gifted in rhetoric. There isn’t a problem with a significant portion of the white population organizing and killing eachother in accordance with some worldview that is professed by metal music. The serial killers that listened to metal, like Ramirez, are obviously deranged psychopaths, but it seems ignorant to completely rule out the music as feature of the milieu that they exist in that drove them towards finding murder as an outlet for their aggression. Rap is completely different in that its acting as propaganda for a gang culture that already exists and makes it appeal to more black youth, who are in search of affluence and are told by the same music that the straight world is working against them. It’s really a vicious cycle and i’m not saying that the music 100% created the culture and that it wasn’t formed by external societal factors. I’m not Doug devious lol I would’ve assumed that gay was a lefty
I take it you think there’s some national organization of bloods and crips like in "west side story" where black kids sign up with their local recruiting officer and get sent on assassination missions on behalf of the president of black people, while dressed from head to toe in gang regalia. You certainly do live in an interesting reality.
Does misrepresenting my views make you feel comfortable with your reductive worldview?
How am I being reductive, and what’s more, what could possibly be more reductive than thinking bad music causes gun violence?
You’ve misrepresented my views into some cartoonish nonsense in all of your posts like I’m some 90s moral crusader who thinks that all black violence began because of rap music. What do you think causes the high black murder rate?
Quentin Tarantino slave revenge movies, obviously
All you can do is attack strawmen and post ironically because you aren’t confident in your own views. Embarrassing. I’ll leave this thread to die.
And all you can do is propose insane boomer fever dreams to explain problems you’re too lazy to try to think about critically, and when someone laughs at you, you stamp your feet and demand that they offer you an equivalently smoothbrained take to copy/paste directly into your model of the outside world, which has to appeal to your scared boomer brain in the exact same way as your original take, and if no such take is on offer it means the person who laughed is "not confident in their own views". You should be embarrassed but I don’t think you’re capable of that.
What would be a critical thinkers diagnosis?
NTA but the diagnosis would be that you’re a hecking amerimutt stupid lmao
Millions of men saw a poster with an old guy pointing at them and thought "I’ll go kill people now".
The CIA doesn’t control peoples minds through the internet chud. The intelligence agencies protect us!
Isn’t the official Bugliosi fed narrative that he was listening to the Beatles anyway?
>need clothes for a welding job
>get the cheapest work jacket i could find
>welding job is over after couple months
>it didn’t really get burned because i was mostly doing TIG
>decide to wear it as my regular jacket
>friends and family really complement how good it looks
???
Feels kinda good tho.
How do I as a wigger pull off the work jacket look?