What’s wrong with wax canvas? There are other brands than Filson. Durable, waterproof, looks better dirty, goes great with equal quality denim as an alternative to the Canadian Tuxedo.
It used to be good. Now it’s made in SE Asia and it is horrendously overpriced for what you get. That being said, their wool clothing and leather stuff is actually pretty decent. I think people get into Filson because they have the impression that it’s “high quality” heritage clothing. If they’re willing to spend as much money on Filson dogshit, they might as well spend that same money on Japanese made heritage clothing where they will actually be getting something of substantial build quality and quality control. The Japanese have mastered the original techniques of making clothing from the 1940s through 1960s eras
These are the same people that think "MADE IN THE USA" is better quality than China or India.
It used to be good. Now it’s made in SE Asia and it is horrendously overpriced for what you get. That being said, their wool clothing and leather stuff is actually pretty decent. I think people get into Filson because they have the impression that it’s “high quality” heritage clothing. If they’re willing to spend as much money on Filson dogshit, they might as well spend that same money on Japanese made heritage clothing where they will actually be getting something of substantial build quality and quality control. The Japanese have mastered the original techniques of making clothing from the 1940s through 1960s eras
filson used to be quality. their manufacturing floor used to be open air and they used to let customers watch shit being made. i have a 19 year old filson belt and wallet that’s never been oiled or conditioned. the wallet still looks practically brand new. not a desk job limpwrist.
These are the same people that think "MADE IN THE USA" is better quality than China or India.
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Prove me wrong. It’s not news that heritage clothing made in Japan is generally by and large held to a higher standard. Will you want to wear your expensive selvedge denim to your earthwork job? Probably not. All clothing will eventually be destroyed under those conditions. That being said, the japs without any doubt put in a higher effort into all the details. You can rest assured that although you’ll be paying $250+ for some jeans or a shirt you will know that they are literally using the old manufacturing methods used during the earlier half of the 20th century while not cutting any corners on the construction of the clothing. Filson postures itself as “heritage”, except that the actual manufacturing methods say otherwise.
I know that nowadays it’s super trendy to make fun of any appreciation of Japanese culture, clothing, etc., but at the same time doing that is cringe as heck because at the end of the day if you were to actually buy a Japanese heritage piece of clothing you’d realize that yeah, the shit they make has some real substance to it that even most American manufacturers fail to replicate
Yeah, Filson definitely was at one point deserving of their recognition. Its hard to find actual vintage pieces. If you ever want Japanese denim that fits western bodies, you gotta go with wide straight fits. Sugar Cane, TCB, and Samurai make some Levis repro style jeans in wider cuts for dudes who have beefier thighs. Iron Heart by and large makes the most well rounded, robust jeans, but their "straight" cut is seen as a bit slim for buff dudes. Every year or so, they release their 1955 cut in their 21 oz denim which is a little wider with a higher rise.
Anonymous says:
it’s pretty easy if you know how to use ebay search filters.
selecting for made in America and 100% wool will get you somewhere good. >t wearing vintage filson hunting pants rn
Anonymous says:
there’s no need to put air quotes around workwear when you’re talking about pre/ww2 repro which japs make a lot of
that stuff is actual workwear, only slightly held back by their autistic insistence on using cotton thread
Anonymous says:
you’d never actually dig a ditch in 250 dollar flannels, anon.
it may be well made, but pointing Jose and Juan Fernando to where you want them to start digging isn’t work, and can be done in an Oxford.
4 years ago, I bought some new Filson tin cloth pants for around $100. I used them for less than a year for my geotech job and the stitching along the leg seam ended up ripping when I crouched down at work one day. I don’t really consider my job that physically demanding. My pair of carhartts cost half the price brand new and are still kicking. This happens to Filson’s clothing because ever since they started outsourcing their manufacturing to 3rd world shitholes, they started cutting corners on the quality and amount of stitching they apply while constructing their clothes. My original point is that Filson charges too much for what you get. They are essentially the overhyped luxury version of carhartt, except that they aren’t even as good as carhartt in some instances and certainly wont last as long on a jobsite. In comparison, a Japanese company like Iron Heart will apply literally every type of structural feature to their clothing. For example, the thread for the stitching is a poly/cotton mixture (makes stronger threads), they always use double to triple stitching in areas of higher tension and stress, they stitch the belt loops underneath the waist band, and they give you hidden rivets and line the back pockets. Does clothing from Japan cost too much? It does at least in the US and Europe due to import taxes, but they know they can charge what they want because everyone is aware that they are honestly holding their QC to some of the highest standards in the world and the customers will not have to worry about receiving a piece of clothing that is objectively shitty in any measure
Anonymous says:
filson being dogshit in current year is news to no one they recently announced moving all manufacturing except 1 or 2 items to california its ogre
their old luggage and any vintage versions of their heritage garments are bulletproof and some of the best made clothes in the post industrial era lol
Anonymous says:
Yeah I don’t disagree, I’ve been wearing their leather belt for the last 4 years and it is still in great condition. I hear that their wool jacket is awesome still. That being said, they are kind of a scam with regards to the majority of their clothing nowadays. My original point was that if people who are unaware of these things are willing to drop a bunch of money on Filson, they might as well just go with Japan stuff instead since its relatively in the same ballpark of price and you’d actually be guaranteed real heritage manufacturing methods and flawless QC
Anonymous says:
But I’m not aware of any Japanese companies that manufacture stuff in the style of Filson are you? I can see finding some pants or a t-shirt but not a packer coat or western style vest.
Anonymous says:
Idk. Filson jackets seem to me still pretty good. I don’t think I would buy the pants but then again nobody makes durable pants anymore. I literally cannot name a single manufacturer. Honestly, Filson, in my opinion, is a decent if not extremely overpriced brand that makes good clothes for that middle ground between work and outdoor/hunting. I would buy a work jacket from Filson. I would buy a merino wool baselayer for late season hunts from Filson. I don’t think I would buy work pants or work boots from filson. At this point, it’s mostly a fashion brand and that’s just not what you need. It can work for a few hunts or a jacket that doesn’t get beat to hell, but pants and boots? No.
I’ve always wondered if their t-shirts or hoodies are high quality but I’ve never owned any.
Anonymous says:
got pics?
Anonymous says:
>Will you want to wear your expensive selvedge denim to your earthwork job?
sure why not picrel.
its paint and chemicals that mess jeans up on the job. i’d make a point to wear cheap rustlers/uniqlos or worst case throw some elastic cuff pull-overs on over my jeans to avoid it. required a little autism and planning but nbd. >Filson postures itself as “heritage”, except that the actual manufacturing methods say otherwise.
i mean a few years ago before they moved to california not really, the non outsourced stuff was on par with jap shit and made the same way it had always been. filson’s quality decline is a pretty recent phoenomena. >that even most American manufacturers fail to replicate
its pretty much impossible for any american brand to unless they buy their textile from japan. japs bought virtually all of america’s old machinery and are the only ones who maintained any of it.
>Will you want to wear your expensive selvedge denim to your earthwork job?
sure why not picrel.
its paint and chemicals that mess jeans up on the job. i’d make a point to wear cheap rustlers/uniqlos or worst case throw some elastic cuff pull-overs on over my jeans to avoid it. required a little autism and planning but nbd. >Filson postures itself as “heritage”, except that the actual manufacturing methods say otherwise.
i mean a few years ago before they moved to california not really, the non outsourced stuff was on par with jap shit and made the same way it had always been. filson’s quality decline is a pretty recent phoenomena. >that even most American manufacturers fail to replicate
its pretty much impossible for any american brand to unless they buy their textile from japan. japs bought virtually all of america’s old machinery and are the only ones who maintained any of it.
But that’s literally why people buy high end vintage workwear. Wax canvas doesn’t look good until it’s covered in gun oil out in the rain and snow. Wearing some ripped faded 3yr old Japanese denim that all the fast fashion tries to emulate the look of. If you baby denim or wax it will unevenly wear in the most unappealing of places,
>Wax canvas doesn’t look good until it’s covered in gun oil out in the rain and snow
I never understood this
Worn in waxed jackets just look like you’re a bum that pissed and shit all over your own jacket. Pic related, literally off their website.
Anonymous says:
on high quality workwear, weathering is a positive thing, since it shows authenticity and competence while not actually being damaged.
what do you need a waxed jacket for if it’s not gonna eventually look like that?
Anonymous says:
Yeah but nobody is buying Filson for workwear, not to actually work in anyway. They’re buying it to LARP as a cowboy at some hipster bar. So it never actually looks like this.
Anonymous says:
>Yeah but nobody is buying Filson for workwear
is anybody wearing filson, period?
carhartt completely mogs it
Anonymous says:
Yes. Filson is popular with urban hipsters and exurbanites who are working corporate jobs but desperately want to be ranchers, big game hunting guides, gentleman farmers, etc.
Anonymous says:
carhartt seems a lot more popular with the poser and "fashion trend" crowd. especially right now.
quality has also declined massively the last few years. most old guys i know are looking for alternatives or already jumped ship.
Anonymous says:
https://us.carhartt-wip.com/ exists and some dork on grailed paid $600 for my homeless friend’s rotted out detriot jacket on ebay
carhartt is what all the posers and hipsters wear right now
don’t really see it on job sites as much except the double knees
Carharrt is trendy but it’s not a hipster brand like Filson. But trust me, now that the earth is saturated with Carharrt jackets, many of the people who were looking to buy a Carharrt a couple of years ago are now looking to buy Filson as a Carharrt alternative. That’s just how this works.
If you need legit outdoor/workwear and don’t want to buy Carharrt or Filson, try Ariat.
Anonymous says:
https://us.carhartt-wip.com/ exists and some dork on grailed paid $600 for my homeless friend’s rotted out detriot jacket on ebay
carhartt is what all the posers and hipsters wear right now
don’t really see it on job sites as much except the double knees
Anonymous says:
It’s clear you’ve never been on a good ranch.
Anonymous says:
Dude shut the heck up. I was a ranch hand for 6 years and spent close to 10 around them.
Anonymous says:
It just depends what your job is. I certainly wear my Iron Hearts every day because they authentically look better when they’re well worn in. However, I would never consider bringing them to work because I literally get covered in mud regularly and I don’t really want to have to wash my jeans every week. Waxed canvas can certainly take a hecking beating though
Anonymous says:
you still want to keep chemicals and paint off your nice stuff anon. giant holes from acid don’t make a jacket look nicer.
Anonymous says:
better acid on your work jacket than on you, anon.
that’s what clothes are for.
Anonymous says:
which means you need to drop another two three hundred on another one
who can hecking afford this shit
not even techbro hipsters can, they just buy one and never get any wear on it to replace it
this whole "premium workwear" thing is an oxymoron
Anonymous says:
no, you keep wearing it, acid stains and all.
you seem like a hecking gay, honestly.
just wear your j crew chinos and heck off.
Anonymous says:
easy to just throw these over my jeans if i got something nice on.
which means you need to drop another two three hundred on another one
who can hecking afford this shit
not even techbro hipsters can, they just buy one and never get any wear on it to replace it
this whole "premium workwear" thing is an oxymoron
eh not really i always heard the boomers and xers talking about how workwear, tools, etc aint how they used to be and wishing they still made em like that etc.
these brands are all too expensive, but at the same time their profit margins are significantly lower than say wrangler or dickies or levi’s so there’s not a lot they can do about it. for a variety of reasons its expensive to manufacture in america or anywhere outside 3rd world.
because the prices are high it becomes a fashion thing and basically like the workwear version of a harley or a classic muscle car. still cool but not attainable for its intended market and mostly appreciated by geezers.
1) a particular sort of Western aesthetic that’s not easy to find
2) it’s still relatively high quality in a world where basically everything is dog shit
It’s extremely overpriced and too hipsterish though. The mackinaw wool is good. The tin cloth is good. The canvas (don’t remember what they call it) is pretty good. Everything else is pretty much not worth it. Their boots used to be good but I see they barely sell any anymore. Their leather goods in general used to be good but I’m sure it’s just kind of standard now. I only buy their other stuff on sale. I got a Polartec fleece, a vest, and a hoodie for about $100 ea. They’re all good but if they were more expensive I probably wouldn’t buy them.
I tried on a Filson mackinaw yesterday. I’m somewhere between 5’11 and 6’0 and between 85-88kg. Lot of that is fat and not much of it is muscle.
The small seemed OKAY in the body but a bit short in the sleeves.
The medium’s sleeves were just plain too long.
I bet this wasn’t an issue on their ones that used numbered sizing.
I got a size 40 Beaufort and that’s fine.
its trash quality. i actually just donated a filson vest to value village the other day cause i never wore it since it fit weird and was crap. patagonia is way better
used to be good
Boomers and redditors like to spend thousands to look working class
What’s wrong with wax canvas? There are other brands than Filson. Durable, waterproof, looks better dirty, goes great with equal quality denim as an alternative to the Canadian Tuxedo.
Gun club drip
good quality wool clothing, what’s not to like if you’re in the market for that?
if price is the issue, buy off ebay.
It used to be good. Now it’s made in SE Asia and it is horrendously overpriced for what you get. That being said, their wool clothing and leather stuff is actually pretty decent. I think people get into Filson because they have the impression that it’s “high quality” heritage clothing. If they’re willing to spend as much money on Filson dogshit, they might as well spend that same money on Japanese made heritage clothing where they will actually be getting something of substantial build quality and quality control. The Japanese have mastered the original techniques of making clothing from the 1940s through 1960s eras
Filson :l
Filson but Japan :00000
These are the same people that think "MADE IN THE USA" is better quality than China or India.
filson used to be quality. their manufacturing floor used to be open air and they used to let customers watch shit being made. i have a 19 year old filson belt and wallet that’s never been oiled or conditioned. the wallet still looks practically brand new. not a desk job limpwrist.
Prove me wrong. It’s not news that heritage clothing made in Japan is generally by and large held to a higher standard. Will you want to wear your expensive selvedge denim to your earthwork job? Probably not. All clothing will eventually be destroyed under those conditions. That being said, the japs without any doubt put in a higher effort into all the details. You can rest assured that although you’ll be paying $250+ for some jeans or a shirt you will know that they are literally using the old manufacturing methods used during the earlier half of the 20th century while not cutting any corners on the construction of the clothing. Filson postures itself as “heritage”, except that the actual manufacturing methods say otherwise.
I know that nowadays it’s super trendy to make fun of any appreciation of Japanese culture, clothing, etc., but at the same time doing that is cringe as heck because at the end of the day if you were to actually buy a Japanese heritage piece of clothing you’d realize that yeah, the shit they make has some real substance to it that even most American manufacturers fail to replicate
vintage filson actually fits my working man’s body, while adhering to those heritage practices and being cheaper in thrift.
if I were under a 40" waist I’d probably go for Japanese "workwear" though.
Yeah, Filson definitely was at one point deserving of their recognition. Its hard to find actual vintage pieces. If you ever want Japanese denim that fits western bodies, you gotta go with wide straight fits. Sugar Cane, TCB, and Samurai make some Levis repro style jeans in wider cuts for dudes who have beefier thighs. Iron Heart by and large makes the most well rounded, robust jeans, but their "straight" cut is seen as a bit slim for buff dudes. Every year or so, they release their 1955 cut in their 21 oz denim which is a little wider with a higher rise.
it’s pretty easy if you know how to use ebay search filters.
selecting for made in America and 100% wool will get you somewhere good.
>t wearing vintage filson hunting pants rn
there’s no need to put air quotes around workwear when you’re talking about pre/ww2 repro which japs make a lot of
that stuff is actual workwear, only slightly held back by their autistic insistence on using cotton thread
you’d never actually dig a ditch in 250 dollar flannels, anon.
it may be well made, but pointing Jose and Juan Fernando to where you want them to start digging isn’t work, and can be done in an Oxford.
>Prove me wrong
Prove yourself right first
4 years ago, I bought some new Filson tin cloth pants for around $100. I used them for less than a year for my geotech job and the stitching along the leg seam ended up ripping when I crouched down at work one day. I don’t really consider my job that physically demanding. My pair of carhartts cost half the price brand new and are still kicking. This happens to Filson’s clothing because ever since they started outsourcing their manufacturing to 3rd world shitholes, they started cutting corners on the quality and amount of stitching they apply while constructing their clothes. My original point is that Filson charges too much for what you get. They are essentially the overhyped luxury version of carhartt, except that they aren’t even as good as carhartt in some instances and certainly wont last as long on a jobsite. In comparison, a Japanese company like Iron Heart will apply literally every type of structural feature to their clothing. For example, the thread for the stitching is a poly/cotton mixture (makes stronger threads), they always use double to triple stitching in areas of higher tension and stress, they stitch the belt loops underneath the waist band, and they give you hidden rivets and line the back pockets. Does clothing from Japan cost too much? It does at least in the US and Europe due to import taxes, but they know they can charge what they want because everyone is aware that they are honestly holding their QC to some of the highest standards in the world and the customers will not have to worry about receiving a piece of clothing that is objectively shitty in any measure
filson being dogshit in current year is news to no one they recently announced moving all manufacturing except 1 or 2 items to california its ogre
their old luggage and any vintage versions of their heritage garments are bulletproof and some of the best made clothes in the post industrial era lol
Yeah I don’t disagree, I’ve been wearing their leather belt for the last 4 years and it is still in great condition. I hear that their wool jacket is awesome still. That being said, they are kind of a scam with regards to the majority of their clothing nowadays. My original point was that if people who are unaware of these things are willing to drop a bunch of money on Filson, they might as well just go with Japan stuff instead since its relatively in the same ballpark of price and you’d actually be guaranteed real heritage manufacturing methods and flawless QC
But I’m not aware of any Japanese companies that manufacture stuff in the style of Filson are you? I can see finding some pants or a t-shirt but not a packer coat or western style vest.
Idk. Filson jackets seem to me still pretty good. I don’t think I would buy the pants but then again nobody makes durable pants anymore. I literally cannot name a single manufacturer. Honestly, Filson, in my opinion, is a decent if not extremely overpriced brand that makes good clothes for that middle ground between work and outdoor/hunting. I would buy a work jacket from Filson. I would buy a merino wool baselayer for late season hunts from Filson. I don’t think I would buy work pants or work boots from filson. At this point, it’s mostly a fashion brand and that’s just not what you need. It can work for a few hunts or a jacket that doesn’t get beat to hell, but pants and boots? No.
I’ve always wondered if their t-shirts or hoodies are high quality but I’ve never owned any.
got pics?
>Will you want to wear your expensive selvedge denim to your earthwork job?
sure why not picrel.
its paint and chemicals that mess jeans up on the job. i’d make a point to wear cheap rustlers/uniqlos or worst case throw some elastic cuff pull-overs on over my jeans to avoid it. required a little autism and planning but nbd.
>Filson postures itself as “heritage”, except that the actual manufacturing methods say otherwise.
i mean a few years ago before they moved to california not really, the non outsourced stuff was on par with jap shit and made the same way it had always been. filson’s quality decline is a pretty recent phoenomena.
>that even most American manufacturers fail to replicate
its pretty much impossible for any american brand to unless they buy their textile from japan. japs bought virtually all of america’s old machinery and are the only ones who maintained any of it.
But that’s literally why people buy high end vintage workwear. Wax canvas doesn’t look good until it’s covered in gun oil out in the rain and snow. Wearing some ripped faded 3yr old Japanese denim that all the fast fashion tries to emulate the look of. If you baby denim or wax it will unevenly wear in the most unappealing of places,
>Wax canvas doesn’t look good until it’s covered in gun oil out in the rain and snow
I never understood this
Worn in waxed jackets just look like you’re a bum that pissed and shit all over your own jacket. Pic related, literally off their website.
on high quality workwear, weathering is a positive thing, since it shows authenticity and competence while not actually being damaged.
what do you need a waxed jacket for if it’s not gonna eventually look like that?
Yeah but nobody is buying Filson for workwear, not to actually work in anyway. They’re buying it to LARP as a cowboy at some hipster bar. So it never actually looks like this.
>Yeah but nobody is buying Filson for workwear
is anybody wearing filson, period?
carhartt completely mogs it
Yes. Filson is popular with urban hipsters and exurbanites who are working corporate jobs but desperately want to be ranchers, big game hunting guides, gentleman farmers, etc.
carhartt seems a lot more popular with the poser and "fashion trend" crowd. especially right now.
quality has also declined massively the last few years. most old guys i know are looking for alternatives or already jumped ship.
Carharrt is trendy but it’s not a hipster brand like Filson. But trust me, now that the earth is saturated with Carharrt jackets, many of the people who were looking to buy a Carharrt a couple of years ago are now looking to buy Filson as a Carharrt alternative. That’s just how this works.
If you need legit outdoor/workwear and don’t want to buy Carharrt or Filson, try Ariat.
https://us.carhartt-wip.com/ exists and some dork on grailed paid $600 for my homeless friend’s rotted out detriot jacket on ebay
carhartt is what all the posers and hipsters wear right now
don’t really see it on job sites as much except the double knees
It’s clear you’ve never been on a good ranch.
Dude shut the heck up. I was a ranch hand for 6 years and spent close to 10 around them.
It just depends what your job is. I certainly wear my Iron Hearts every day because they authentically look better when they’re well worn in. However, I would never consider bringing them to work because I literally get covered in mud regularly and I don’t really want to have to wash my jeans every week. Waxed canvas can certainly take a hecking beating though
you still want to keep chemicals and paint off your nice stuff anon. giant holes from acid don’t make a jacket look nicer.
better acid on your work jacket than on you, anon.
that’s what clothes are for.
which means you need to drop another two three hundred on another one
who can hecking afford this shit
not even techbro hipsters can, they just buy one and never get any wear on it to replace it
this whole "premium workwear" thing is an oxymoron
no, you keep wearing it, acid stains and all.
you seem like a hecking gay, honestly.
just wear your j crew chinos and heck off.
easy to just throw these over my jeans if i got something nice on.
eh not really i always heard the boomers and xers talking about how workwear, tools, etc aint how they used to be and wishing they still made em like that etc.
these brands are all too expensive, but at the same time their profit margins are significantly lower than say wrangler or dickies or levi’s so there’s not a lot they can do about it. for a variety of reasons its expensive to manufacture in america or anywhere outside 3rd world.
because the prices are high it becomes a fashion thing and basically like the workwear version of a harley or a classic muscle car. still cool but not attainable for its intended market and mostly appreciated by geezers.
some of their stuff is still made in usa
>supporting japs
no thanks commie
1) a particular sort of Western aesthetic that’s not easy to find
2) it’s still relatively high quality in a world where basically everything is dog shit
It’s extremely overpriced and too hipsterish though. The mackinaw wool is good. The tin cloth is good. The canvas (don’t remember what they call it) is pretty good. Everything else is pretty much not worth it. Their boots used to be good but I see they barely sell any anymore. Their leather goods in general used to be good but I’m sure it’s just kind of standard now. I only buy their other stuff on sale. I got a Polartec fleece, a vest, and a hoodie for about $100 ea. They’re all good but if they were more expensive I probably wouldn’t buy them.
Are filson bags still any good? I just want a nice-ish messenger bag for work that’s plain canvas or something
Good, not great, overpriced
Some time ago they made a really good bridle leather briefcase. And are still making canvas briefcase, which is nice. Other than that is not worth it.
They make good wool and waxed canvas jackets. Still overpriced though, there are better options.
mackinaw wool is good
I tried on a Filson mackinaw yesterday. I’m somewhere between 5’11 and 6’0 and between 85-88kg. Lot of that is fat and not much of it is muscle.
The small seemed OKAY in the body but a bit short in the sleeves.
The medium’s sleeves were just plain too long.
I bet this wasn’t an issue on their ones that used numbered sizing.
I got a size 40 Beaufort and that’s fine.
How is it possible to be 6’0” tall and fat at 195 lbs.
its trash quality. i actually just donated a filson vest to value village the other day cause i never wore it since it fit weird and was crap. patagonia is way better