The thing about Patagonia is that it’s not real "outdoor clothing". It’s fashion clothing with an outdoorsy theme. It’s not stuff you can actually wear for backpacking.
This. Patagonia was proper outdoor clothing 30 years ago, but so much has advanced since then that their modern offerings are pretty outdated. Like yeah, you can still climb and hike in them but there are far better alternatives for actual sporting use
what? Their fleeces and active insulation are generally considered to be really good. Their shell jackets are more or less the same as every one elses, due to goretex just being kinda "must have" for lineups. Pants, baselayers, belay jackets, all of those are perfectly fine. Sure they are not ultralight, but for backpacking, hiking, skiing, and many kinds of mountaineering, they are perfectly fine.
Or are you a stupid that confuses their more fashion forward items as being performance items?
>can’t go for a walk if there’s not a dead bird on my jacket
ironically arc is the one being left behind. Atom is outdated, their fleeces are just generic materials with bird logo, baselayers are bad to mediocre, their belay parkas are just way overpriced for what you get, etc.
its not just that company A makes best stuff, it really depends on what materials are available for them due to partnerships etc.
Like Black Diamon makes one really good light softshell jacket because they have access to that material. Some other stuff they make on the other hand can be really hit and miss. Rab makes pretty good down jackets, but some small guy in a cottage can make really specialized lightweight down jacket with amazingly thin but fragile outer layer, because they don’t have to care about "average customer" who might expect that the 700 dollarydoo jacket does not explode if it sees a tree branch in the distance.
But in general, actual mountaineering gear companies tend to make pretty good gear. Rab, Arc, Patagonia, Moutain Hardwear, Norrona, Fjällräven etc. But its all very item specific. Arc fleeces are nothing special, or how patagonia has those business disctict fleece vests but they also have some proper performance fleeces. Top of the line goretex pro jackets are probably more or less the same quality, so just pick which ones has the features you need. Some jacket has only one internal pocket and weights 20g less than other jacket. Is it better? Maybe if you think that having one less pocket is worth it.
triple aught design doesn’t actually make or sell products. they just put up pics of things you’d like to buy and pretend that they sold them at one point.
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I was thinking about getting their waxed Harrington thing 🙁
Anonymous says:
Which one? Talisman jacket? Jokes aside it looks like they still have plenty in black and some in brown.
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vanguard dx
Anonymous says:
Ah, okay. The special service sweater is the one I’d like.
Anonymous says:
those are nice.. they’ll probably have them for sale again in the autumn
some of their stuff looks bad
"MODEL IS 5’9", 170LBS WEARING SIZE 32"
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tactical manlet
Anonymous says:
Their combat apparel served me well in Afghanistan. They don’t like to advertise that they have a good contract with the DOD, but it’s there.
This. Patagonia was proper outdoor clothing 30 years ago, but so much has advanced since then that their modern offerings are pretty outdated. Like yeah, you can still climb and hike in them but there are far better alternatives for actual sporting use
what? Their fleeces and active insulation are generally considered to be really good. Their shell jackets are more or less the same as every one elses, due to goretex just being kinda "must have" for lineups. Pants, baselayers, belay jackets, all of those are perfectly fine. Sure they are not ultralight, but for backpacking, hiking, skiing, and many kinds of mountaineering, they are perfectly fine.
Or are you a stupid that confuses their more fashion forward items as being performance items?
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ironically arc is the one being left behind. Atom is outdated, their fleeces are just generic materials with bird logo, baselayers are bad to mediocre, their belay parkas are just way overpriced for what you get, etc.
patagucci is definitely legit. R1, houdini, nano air to name a few, are all very good pieces to have. there are great pieces from other brands, but of the items that patagonia does well i wouldn’t say that there are competitors that do it much better objectively.
for years i’ve beat the shit out of a lot of patagonia gear it’s very good stuff period
houdini is hecking terrible, has been for like 10 years. Breathes less than a plastic bag. Literally the worst pieces of athletic clothing I’ve ever bought. BD alpine start is thousand times better alternative.
over the winter my dad was wearing a black patagonia vest over a black cashmere sweater and at first i was like wtf dad but it actually looked pretty bussin (no cap)
Most outdoor clothing nowadays is for citygay Yuppies LARPing as outdoorsy to put on biz casual outfits.
If you’re actually looking for something to camp/hike in, go for niche brands autistically specialized for certain purposes or beater redneck brands coupled with thrifted/milsurp shit.
If it’s just aesthetics, just go vintage, clunky gorp, colored as to summon helicopters from the sky in a plane crash.
I got some of their women’s work pants and they fit great, one of my favorite pairs of pants during the Winter. Only problem is that it has this belt-like tightening strap on the back, and the bar of buckle fell out in the wash. I should probably contact em about that, come to think of it.
the sad fact is that almost all "environmentally friendly and 100% sustainable" clothing, like their fleece made of recycled bottles and shit, and recycled polyester , is of horrible quality. it just is. the fleece pills, the recycled t shirts they offer break down faster.
in a way, its quite ironic when you think about. if they wanted to have less impact on the environment, theyd make exptremely high quality items that are intended to last forever, instead of low quality, recycled dogshit fabrics that fall apart after 2 years, causing us to have to re-buy over and over, which leads to even more waste.
imagine all the hecking plastic particles you wash into the sea every time you run your fleece through a cycle.
i wear a lot of artificial fabrics, i’m not a natural fibres autist (anymore) but none of that shit is environmentally friendly.
The thing about Patagonia is that it’s not real "outdoor clothing". It’s fashion clothing with an outdoorsy theme. It’s not stuff you can actually wear for backpacking.
This. Patagonia was proper outdoor clothing 30 years ago, but so much has advanced since then that their modern offerings are pretty outdated. Like yeah, you can still climb and hike in them but there are far better alternatives for actual sporting use
>can’t go for a walk if there’s not a dead bird on my jacket
what? Their fleeces and active insulation are generally considered to be really good. Their shell jackets are more or less the same as every one elses, due to goretex just being kinda "must have" for lineups. Pants, baselayers, belay jackets, all of those are perfectly fine. Sure they are not ultralight, but for backpacking, hiking, skiing, and many kinds of mountaineering, they are perfectly fine.
Or are you a stupid that confuses their more fashion forward items as being performance items?
ironically arc is the one being left behind. Atom is outdated, their fleeces are just generic materials with bird logo, baselayers are bad to mediocre, their belay parkas are just way overpriced for what you get, etc.
Which companies make the best stuff?
its not just that company A makes best stuff, it really depends on what materials are available for them due to partnerships etc.
Like Black Diamon makes one really good light softshell jacket because they have access to that material. Some other stuff they make on the other hand can be really hit and miss. Rab makes pretty good down jackets, but some small guy in a cottage can make really specialized lightweight down jacket with amazingly thin but fragile outer layer, because they don’t have to care about "average customer" who might expect that the 700 dollarydoo jacket does not explode if it sees a tree branch in the distance.
But in general, actual mountaineering gear companies tend to make pretty good gear. Rab, Arc, Patagonia, Moutain Hardwear, Norrona, Fjällräven etc. But its all very item specific. Arc fleeces are nothing special, or how patagonia has those business disctict fleece vests but they also have some proper performance fleeces. Top of the line goretex pro jackets are probably more or less the same quality, so just pick which ones has the features you need. Some jacket has only one internal pocket and weights 20g less than other jacket. Is it better? Maybe if you think that having one less pocket is worth it.
pseudo boutique brands like Triple Aught Design and Prometheus Design Werx — first there was one, then there was the other
>he fell for the troll
triple aught design doesn’t actually make or sell products. they just put up pics of things you’d like to buy and pretend that they sold them at one point.
I was thinking about getting their waxed Harrington thing 🙁
Which one? Talisman jacket? Jokes aside it looks like they still have plenty in black and some in brown.
vanguard dx
Ah, okay. The special service sweater is the one I’d like.
those are nice.. they’ll probably have them for sale again in the autumn
some of their stuff looks bad
"MODEL IS 5’9", 170LBS WEARING SIZE 32"
tactical manlet
Their combat apparel served me well in Afghanistan. They don’t like to advertise that they have a good contract with the DOD, but it’s there.
It obviously didn’t serve you THAT well in Afghanistan…
patagucci is definitely legit. R1, houdini, nano air to name a few, are all very good pieces to have. there are great pieces from other brands, but of the items that patagonia does well i wouldn’t say that there are competitors that do it much better objectively.
for years i’ve beat the shit out of a lot of patagonia gear it’s very good stuff period
houdini is hecking terrible, has been for like 10 years. Breathes less than a plastic bag. Literally the worst pieces of athletic clothing I’ve ever bought. BD alpine start is thousand times better alternative.
>patagucci
stop. please
Branding is not /fashion/
fpbp
what does the "f" stand for in "fpbp"?
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heckle
over the winter my dad was wearing a black patagonia vest over a black cashmere sweater and at first i was like wtf dad but it actually looked pretty bussin (no cap)
You’re paying for their sustainability/environmental bs, and their lifetime warranties. Also, all of the clothes have ugly logos.
Just get anything you like the look of with good stitching and merino wooll
snowpeak
Tilak. All their shit looks amazing and is actually made for outdoor use. If you want for fashion only then andWander
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Most outdoor clothing nowadays is for citygay Yuppies LARPing as outdoorsy to put on biz casual outfits.
If you’re actually looking for something to camp/hike in, go for niche brands autistically specialized for certain purposes or beater redneck brands coupled with thrifted/milsurp shit.
If it’s just aesthetics, just go vintage, clunky gorp, colored as to summon helicopters from the sky in a plane crash.
heck these hebrews
For normies yeah Patagonia. I wore their Better Sweater fleece jacket in Utah in late February. Was really good, don’t regret buy at all
I got some of their women’s work pants and they fit great, one of my favorite pairs of pants during the Winter. Only problem is that it has this belt-like tightening strap on the back, and the bar of buckle fell out in the wash. I should probably contact em about that, come to think of it.
>one of my favorite pairs of pants during the Winter.
>cotton pants in winter
ngmi….
it’s hemp, super thick fabric. For North Carolina winter, it’s definitely good enough
hamcus
the sad fact is that almost all "environmentally friendly and 100% sustainable" clothing, like their fleece made of recycled bottles and shit, and recycled polyester , is of horrible quality. it just is. the fleece pills, the recycled t shirts they offer break down faster.
in a way, its quite ironic when you think about. if they wanted to have less impact on the environment, theyd make exptremely high quality items that are intended to last forever, instead of low quality, recycled dogshit fabrics that fall apart after 2 years, causing us to have to re-buy over and over, which leads to even more waste.
imagine all the hecking plastic particles you wash into the sea every time you run your fleece through a cycle.
i wear a lot of artificial fabrics, i’m not a natural fibres autist (anymore) but none of that shit is environmentally friendly.
>most /fashion/
Fashion equals low self-esteem.
So fake north face will do great.
i have a patagonia shell that i love. only patagonia i own