Wool is better than rayon and older suits were made out of thicker fabrics. Technologies that made wool more fine caused competition for wool fineness and with that fineness came thinner suits. These thinner suits don’t drape as well and get wrinkles easier. Another thing to note is that that suits used to be brought to do everything, including hard labor, in some places. With the casualization of clothing and suits becoming associated with the office, there was little demand for stiffer, heavier suits.
Wool is hot and itchy and requires a lining to be comfortable which makes it even warmer.
Rayon is more suited to American weather which can be very warm and humid.
It is a synthetic fabric made from wood cellulose so it breathes and feels a lot like silk.
Suit are made in different materials in order to adjust to different occasions and climates.
Wool isn’t better than rayon, it is different from rayon.
Avoid the good/bad dichotomy.
Most things are multi-colored.
>wool is hot and itchy
Not true, suits are usually made out of the finest wools available. These are the softest and most comfortable wool fabrics you can get. >Rayon is best for American weather
Natural silk is more breathable, softer, and more luxurious. Unlined tropical wool, cotton, and linen suits are even better for American weather.
Let’s not forget that synthetic fabrics have been linked with health issues, including reduced fertility and decompose slower, making them a long-term environmental nuisance.
man, I’m into classic menswear and I own a dozen bespoke/MTM suits but I realize I really don’t give a heck about any of that, who hecking cares about how people were dressed 100 years ago.
It’s all about what women perceive as attractive and "high status" anyway, anything else and you’re just appealing to gays and their circlejerk.
Wool is hot and itchy and requires a lining to be comfortable which makes it even warmer.
Rayon is more suited to American weather which can be very warm and humid.
It is a synthetic fabric made from wood cellulose so it breathes and feels a lot like silk.
Suit are made in different materials in order to adjust to different occasions and climates.
Wool isn’t better than rayon, it is different from rayon.
Avoid the good/bad dichotomy.
Most things are multi-colored.
why the heck would you use rayon over linen anyway? The only garments made of rayon in my wardrobe are a bunch of aloha shirts.
>wool is hot and itchy
Not true, suits are usually made out of the finest wools available. These are the softest and most comfortable wool fabrics you can get. >Rayon is best for American weather
Natural silk is more breathable, softer, and more luxurious. Unlined tropical wool, cotton, and linen suits are even better for American weather.
Let’s not forget that synthetic fabrics have been linked with health issues, including reduced fertility and decompose slower, making them a long-term environmental nuisance.
Shetland and Harris Tweed are super itchy, that’s why they’re lined.
https://i.imgur.com/bH2Fb93.jpg
[…] >this is who gives "advice" and talks about menswear on /fashion/
hecking hell you can’t make this stuff up
hecking KEK
Silk is NOT breathable.
Neither is Rayon or any other plastic shit.
Proper wool is breathable. Linen is breathable. These are the only fabrics a suit should be made of.
Rayon is very comfy tbh, same as Lyocell. Try japan sourced HQ rayon sometimes.
Most of the thicker wool fabrics used for suiting isn’t made anymore. You would have to buy vintage fabric from a tailor or fabric dealer. You can always spin, weave and dye your own wool, but that takes a lot of work, skill, and time to accomplish.
I know you can buy fabrics easily, you hecking stupid. They literally don’t make vintage suiting fabrics like they used to. Can you point me to a fabric maker that sells fabrics specifically for thick suits that you wear everyday to your 60 hour field job thats supposed to last you more than a decade? Modern suiting fabrics are made for office work. Even thicker fabrics like the 21 micron aren’t meant for the same lifestyle that older suiting fabrics were.
No one ever owned one suit. In fact it wasn’t uncommon for a gentleman back in the day to spend over 10% of his annual income on clothing. Owning at least 7 pairs of shoes and suits drastically improves the wear time for each item. At one point in the future I’d like to own at least 3 or 4 suits for each season, as well as some sport coats to cover the days I’m not wearing suits.
Anonymous says:
I agree with you that most people didn’t own one suit, but the harder working laborers of times past didn’t always have the luxury of owning lots of suits. They had to get by with a few heavy and durable garments that would last them a long time in harsher conditions than we’re used to. Fabric makers served that market. That market doesn’t exist anymore so those fabrics aren’t being produced anymore. Good luck on building your collection, though.
Anonymous says:
Not that anon, but do you have any recs for history on men’s clothing? I like learning about stuff like this. Weird to think about some men actually wearing suits to construction work or whatever else.
Anonymous says:
Why? It was just normal clothing back then. It’s actually perfectly reasonable seeing as clothes were baggier and easier to move around in unlike now.
Anonymous says:
Whether you like GG or not, they have a good guide on books regarding classics menswear, including history.
https://www.gentlemansgazette.com/mens-fashion-book-library-guide/
Anonymous says:
They are autistic. But that autism has led to god tier historical analysis of menswear.
Anonymous says:
Very true
Anonymous says:
Nearly everyone in this hecking shithole is autistic, i don’t see why that even matters.
Anonymous says:
Thanks, anon. I’ve read some articles from them, but I didn’t know they had a book list.
Why? It was just normal clothing back then. It’s actually perfectly reasonable seeing as clothes were baggier and easier to move around in unlike now.
Fair enough, just weird to picture happening today.
Anonymous says:
Slightly unrelated but I’m getting my first suit tomorrow, I’ve decided to go with something a bit fun and go with this nice red with peak lapels. This isn’t my exact suit but something almost identical to the one I’m picking up.
Anonymous says:
I like single breasted with peak lapels, it’s very 1930’s. You should get a four pocket waistcoat with it to complete the look.
Anonymous says:
That color is kinda flashy. I wouldn’t recommend it for your first suit. How often do you plan on wearing that suit and on what occasion?
Anonymous says:
Once a week and for church. It’ll pair quite well with my oxfords. Keep in mind this is the first of many, I’ve just decided to go for a fun color since this will be my only bespoke suit for awhile.
Anonymous says:
You’re going burgundy for bespoke? Carminabro, I’m not sure that’s the best option for church. Navy and grey are much more acceptable colors for church and are way better suited to work with odd trousers and different shirts. Black is solid for church, weddings, and funerals and serves those purpose best. Why choose burgundy?
Anonymous says:
It is an odd color, and a bit hard to catch over the camera. It is a bit deeper of a tone than it looks in the photo. I’m going with this fun color for my bespoke suit because I’ve not seen it before and it really caught my eye. I’ll be getting my navy and gray suits from spier and mackay next paycheck while I wait for the bespoke suit to be made. By the time it’s done I’ll have all three colors at my disposal.
Anonymous says:
I’ve had a pretty good month making money. I’ve brought in about 6k after taxes so I’ve decided to splurge a little bit and get a few suits
Anonymous says:
Friendo, that shoes don’t pair well with the suit color you are describing
Anonymous says:
https://i.imgur.com/bC5iIKd.jpg
Slightly unrelated but I’m getting my first suit tomorrow, I’ve decided to go with something a bit fun and go with this nice red with peak lapels. This isn’t my exact suit but something almost identical to the one I’m picking up.
>this is who gives "advice" and talks about menswear on /fashion/
hecking hell you can’t make this stuff up
Anonymous says:
Except you are making this shit up. I’ve avoided giving advice on most topics as I’m quite new to menswear as shown in my posts, I’m happy to talk about it though as I appreciate feedback and learning from the experiences of others. Speaking of, instead of meaningless criticism, why not provide some appropriate feedback?
Anonymous says:
ok heres the best feedback you’ll get:
stop posting newfag, lurk moar
Anonymous says:
come on man thats something you wear to parties not church
Anonymous says:
>tom nox
hard pass, too many awful looking outfits on their site
Anonymous says:
They make it. It is listed as "light jacketing" or "coating" rather than "suiting". This is where you find tweeds and twills.
You are just dumb. JoAnn fabrics is not the extent of fabric available. Try distributors from Europe and India also.
Anonymous says:
>you’re dumb, weaving and manufacturing techniques don’t change
Okay, bring those fabrics to your tailor, let’s see how that suit turns out.
Anonymous says:
I’ve came across fabrics as heavy as 400 g/m2, how much do you think a suit fabric should weight? 400+ is literally overcoat range.
Rayon
Wool is better than rayon and older suits were made out of thicker fabrics. Technologies that made wool more fine caused competition for wool fineness and with that fineness came thinner suits. These thinner suits don’t drape as well and get wrinkles easier. Another thing to note is that that suits used to be brought to do everything, including hard labor, in some places. With the casualization of clothing and suits becoming associated with the office, there was little demand for stiffer, heavier suits.
Wool is hot and itchy and requires a lining to be comfortable which makes it even warmer.
Rayon is more suited to American weather which can be very warm and humid.
It is a synthetic fabric made from wood cellulose so it breathes and feels a lot like silk.
Suit are made in different materials in order to adjust to different occasions and climates.
Wool isn’t better than rayon, it is different from rayon.
Avoid the good/bad dichotomy.
Most things are multi-colored.
>wool is hot and itchy
Not true, suits are usually made out of the finest wools available. These are the softest and most comfortable wool fabrics you can get.
>Rayon is best for American weather
Natural silk is more breathable, softer, and more luxurious. Unlined tropical wool, cotton, and linen suits are even better for American weather.
Let’s not forget that synthetic fabrics have been linked with health issues, including reduced fertility and decompose slower, making them a long-term environmental nuisance.
Silk is NOT breathable.
Neither is Rayon or any other plastic shit.
Proper wool is breathable. Linen is breathable. These are the only fabrics a suit should be made of.
Usually suits wore worn in the north. (Where whites live)
man, I’m into classic menswear and I own a dozen bespoke/MTM suits but I realize I really don’t give a heck about any of that, who hecking cares about how people were dressed 100 years ago.
It’s all about what women perceive as attractive and "high status" anyway, anything else and you’re just appealing to gays and their circlejerk.
why the heck would you use rayon over linen anyway? The only garments made of rayon in my wardrobe are a bunch of aloha shirts.
Shetland and Harris Tweed are super itchy, that’s why they’re lined.
hecking KEK
Rayon is very comfy tbh, same as Lyocell. Try japan sourced HQ rayon sometimes.
This fit extremely poorly, why would you want that?
A very loose fitting cut was the style in the 1940’s
20s and 30s were the peak of menswear. Look there for inspiration.
>yes let me heckin tell you about clothes that properly fit you
>*leans forward*
>*clothes rip*
It really is getting a bit silly these days.
False dichotomy. There are options aside from a stupid trend from the late 40s and a stupid trend from the 2010s
Two extremes. Too loose and tight fitting.
I agree with
that it got silly, but I think that there is a perfect middle ground.
James Bond’s suit in Dr. No was the perfect balance.
just find a decent tailor and he can make you any cut of suit.
Most of the thicker wool fabrics used for suiting isn’t made anymore. You would have to buy vintage fabric from a tailor or fabric dealer. You can always spin, weave and dye your own wool, but that takes a lot of work, skill, and time to accomplish.
It’s not hard to buy fabric, bro.
It’s nice being able to choose.
I know you can buy fabrics easily, you hecking stupid. They literally don’t make vintage suiting fabrics like they used to. Can you point me to a fabric maker that sells fabrics specifically for thick suits that you wear everyday to your 60 hour field job thats supposed to last you more than a decade? Modern suiting fabrics are made for office work. Even thicker fabrics like the 21 micron aren’t meant for the same lifestyle that older suiting fabrics were.
No one ever owned one suit. In fact it wasn’t uncommon for a gentleman back in the day to spend over 10% of his annual income on clothing. Owning at least 7 pairs of shoes and suits drastically improves the wear time for each item. At one point in the future I’d like to own at least 3 or 4 suits for each season, as well as some sport coats to cover the days I’m not wearing suits.
I agree with you that most people didn’t own one suit, but the harder working laborers of times past didn’t always have the luxury of owning lots of suits. They had to get by with a few heavy and durable garments that would last them a long time in harsher conditions than we’re used to. Fabric makers served that market. That market doesn’t exist anymore so those fabrics aren’t being produced anymore. Good luck on building your collection, though.
Not that anon, but do you have any recs for history on men’s clothing? I like learning about stuff like this. Weird to think about some men actually wearing suits to construction work or whatever else.
Why? It was just normal clothing back then. It’s actually perfectly reasonable seeing as clothes were baggier and easier to move around in unlike now.
Whether you like GG or not, they have a good guide on books regarding classics menswear, including history.
https://www.gentlemansgazette.com/mens-fashion-book-library-guide/
They are autistic. But that autism has led to god tier historical analysis of menswear.
Very true
Nearly everyone in this hecking shithole is autistic, i don’t see why that even matters.
Thanks, anon. I’ve read some articles from them, but I didn’t know they had a book list.
Fair enough, just weird to picture happening today.
Slightly unrelated but I’m getting my first suit tomorrow, I’ve decided to go with something a bit fun and go with this nice red with peak lapels. This isn’t my exact suit but something almost identical to the one I’m picking up.
I like single breasted with peak lapels, it’s very 1930’s. You should get a four pocket waistcoat with it to complete the look.
That color is kinda flashy. I wouldn’t recommend it for your first suit. How often do you plan on wearing that suit and on what occasion?
Once a week and for church. It’ll pair quite well with my oxfords. Keep in mind this is the first of many, I’ve just decided to go for a fun color since this will be my only bespoke suit for awhile.
You’re going burgundy for bespoke? Carminabro, I’m not sure that’s the best option for church. Navy and grey are much more acceptable colors for church and are way better suited to work with odd trousers and different shirts. Black is solid for church, weddings, and funerals and serves those purpose best. Why choose burgundy?
It is an odd color, and a bit hard to catch over the camera. It is a bit deeper of a tone than it looks in the photo. I’m going with this fun color for my bespoke suit because I’ve not seen it before and it really caught my eye. I’ll be getting my navy and gray suits from spier and mackay next paycheck while I wait for the bespoke suit to be made. By the time it’s done I’ll have all three colors at my disposal.
I’ve had a pretty good month making money. I’ve brought in about 6k after taxes so I’ve decided to splurge a little bit and get a few suits
Friendo, that shoes don’t pair well with the suit color you are describing
>this is who gives "advice" and talks about menswear on /fashion/
hecking hell you can’t make this stuff up
Except you are making this shit up. I’ve avoided giving advice on most topics as I’m quite new to menswear as shown in my posts, I’m happy to talk about it though as I appreciate feedback and learning from the experiences of others. Speaking of, instead of meaningless criticism, why not provide some appropriate feedback?
ok heres the best feedback you’ll get:
stop posting newfag, lurk moar
come on man thats something you wear to parties not church
>tom nox
hard pass, too many awful looking outfits on their site
They make it. It is listed as "light jacketing" or "coating" rather than "suiting". This is where you find tweeds and twills.
You are just dumb. JoAnn fabrics is not the extent of fabric available. Try distributors from Europe and India also.
>you’re dumb, weaving and manufacturing techniques don’t change
Okay, bring those fabrics to your tailor, let’s see how that suit turns out.
I’ve came across fabrics as heavy as 400 g/m2, how much do you think a suit fabric should weight? 400+ is literally overcoat range.
>Poor people wool is hot and itchy
ftfy
Because the 30s-40s cut was ugly
Most men were extreme lanklets back then.
Maybe we’re just seed oil slurping fat slobs.
Shoulders padding looks GREAT in a picture that doesn’t move. They look pretty horrible in motion on camera, giving off a very stiff and cheap look.
Because the cut looks stupid. It looks like a kid wearing his dad’s suit.
illustrations in catalogs usually dramatised proportions to make them more eye catching/appealing, they didn’t fit like that on most people