N.J. state senator wants gang-related shoplifters to spend minimum of one year in jail

https://newjerseyglobe.com/legislature/bramnick-wants-gang-related-shoplifters-to-spend-minimum-of-one-year-in-jail/
honestly, they should be hung. easy solution. you do conspiracy to commit shoplifting, you get hung and gibbeted outside of the store

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Another perfectly reasonable answer from a Republican who definitely values human life and is by no means a sociopath

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What is he doing to devalue human life?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Instead of providing any sort of meaningful solution or at the very least attempting to show that he's given this issue serious thought his answer is murder fantasies about returning to 15th century England where thieves are disemboweled in the streets. It just communicates he doesn't really care about the issues. Its all a meme to him.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He didn’t do that
          Why lie on LULZ
          You still have not answered my question

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He didn’t do that
            "Start hanging people outside of stores" isn't a serious solution to the problem. Its a meme. If he doesn't take the issues seriously why should anyone who engages with him?

            >You still have not answered my question
            I'm not the anon who made the first post. The value of human life is a philosophy conversation I'm not interested in getting into. Policy to help issues like mass shoplifting seems like the more interesting conversation.

            your democrat meaningful solution was cheering for 8 months as blm rioted, looted and murdered and then collecting money.. not for the victims but to bail out the rioters and then you made pr about defunding the police and literally made it legale in certain places to steal...which all lead to a crime wave that we now have to deal with.. everything literally cheered on and produced by democrats.
            That was your "brilliant" solution.

            >your democrat meaningful solution was cheering for 8 months as blm rioted,
            I have no idea who you're talking to. You just invented a bunch of shit in your head that I never said and has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Start hanging people outside of stores" isn't a serious solution to the problem. Its a meme
              He didn’t say that though
              Why lie

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He didn’t say that though

                "honestly, they should be hung. easy solution. you do conspiracy to commit shoplifting, you get hung and gibbeted outside of the store"

                >Why lie
                Why not read? Its in the OP.

                shoplifters aren't humans
                [...]
                punishing shoplifters is a meaningful solution [...]
                >isn't a serious solution to the problem.
                it is. scumbags wont shoplift if it means being hanged

                >shoplifters aren't humans
                I'm not really interested in you today schizoposter.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you retarded? That’s what OP said. The politician never said that
                Grow a fucking brain and read the articles

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Are you retarded? That’s what OP said. The politician never said that
                That's been the whole conversation, anon, about OP, not the fucking politician. OP is the one who was talking about hanging thieves, not the politician. Jesus Christ your reading comprehension is dogshit.

                You know what’s also unconstitutional? AR15 bans

                >You know what’s also unconstitutional? AR15 bans
                As hilarious as this pathetic attempt to pivot is I'm not falling for the bait. We're talking about mass shoplifting and its potential solutions. If you want to jump in on that conversation then have at it. I'm not getting pulled into another schizo gun nut black hole.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Absolutely wrong
                It starts with this:
                >Another perfectly reasonable answer from a Republican who definitely values human life and is by no means a sociopath
                And then I ask him how he’s devaluing human life.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >As hilarious as this pathetic attempt to pivot is I'm not falling for the bait. We're talking about mass shoplifting and its potential solutions. If you want to jump in on that conversation then have at it. I'm not getting pulled into another schizo gun nut black hole.
                tldr you are wrong on this issue

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >tldr you are wrong on this issue
                Nobody was even talking about AR-15s. I didn't say a single word about it. You brought it up because you're insane and fixated on it.

                you are just mad because you are a thief
                [...]
                >Its illegal, unconstitutional and non-sensical.
                how is sentencing someone to be hung unconstitutional?
                >Retributive justice doesn't seem to work now in reducing crime anymore than it did back then.
                defund the police and cashless bail clearly don't work. And minimum mandatories do. Murder rate dropped in 1994 after we started putting weed users in jail for a decade and jumped up when places started legalizing weed
                [...]
                they are. See heller, bruen, miller v bonta and Caetano
                [...]
                AR-15s are in common use. Also AR bans do not pass the bruen test.
                [...]
                >We're talking about mass shoplifting and its potential solutions.
                shooting shoplifters with an AR is a solution to mass shoplifting

                >you are just mad because you are a thief
                Not an argument, shizoposter.

                >how is sentencing someone to be hung unconstitutional?
                Cruel and unusual punishment, easily. I'm sure there's more but I'm not getting into a constitutional law with an unmedicated schizophrenic.

                >defund the police and cashless bail clearly don't work.
                When the fuck did anybody in this conversation bring up cashless bail or defund the police? You're literally arguing with the voices in your head.

                >Murder rate dropped in 1994 after we started putting weed users in jail for a decade and jumped up when places started legalizing weed
                And I lost my virginity after the first Matrix movie came out. Learn the difference between correlation and causation, anon. Your sentence means nothing without a differentiation of the two.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not an argument,
                it literally is. There is no argument in favor of not harshly punishing thieves
                >Cruel and unusual punishment, easily. I'm sure there's more but I'm not getting into a constitutional law
                people used to be hung and shot by firing squad when. hell death by firing squad has explicitly been found to be constitutional in Wilkerson and Glossip v. Gross found lethal injection constitutional
                you dont have an argument so you are trying to call names and flee
                >When the fuck did anybody in this conversation bring up cashless bail or defund the police?
                that is the alternative to just arresting these scumbags. cashless bail and defund the police are why shoplifting gangs exist
                >And I lost my virginity after the first Matrix movie came out. Learn the difference between correlation and causation, anon. Your sentence means nothing without a differentiation of the two.
                clearly it was because you decided to go to a gay leather club dressed like neo and get fucked by a bunch of men

                >shooting shoplifters with an AR is a solution to mass shoplifting
                Its an illegal solution, therefore its not a solution. Its just another one of your schizo delusions.

                >Its an illegal solution,
                not an argument, it can easily be made legal

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it literally is. There is no argument in favor of not harshly punishing thieves
                "You're a thief" is not an argument. Its an ad hom.

                >people used to be hung and shot by firing squad when
                People also used to use leeches and blood letting to cure disease. "People used to do this thing" is not an argument. Its a logically fallacy literally called appeal to tradition.

                >that is the alternative to just arresting these scumbags
                I have no idea why the only two solutions in your head is cashless bail and defund the police or literal firing squads. I can't grasp the levels of mental illness you're currently operating on.

                >clearly it was because you decided to go to a gay leather club dressed like neo and get fucked by a bunch of men
                You're actually so unhinged you can't follow a basic conversation.

                >cashless bail and defund the police are why shoplifting gangs exist
                I have no clue how you came to this conclusion. This is categorically untrue.

                >not an argument, it can easily be made legal
                It can't. Not in the slightest. Its illegal to murder people for shoplifting. The alternate universe that exists in your head isn't real.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"You're a thief" is not an argument. Its an ad hom.
                its the only logical reason you would be prothievery
                >People also used to use leeches and blood letting to cure disease. "People used to do this thing" is not an argument. Its a logically fallacy literally called appeal to tradition.
                the scotus has used text and tradition to decide cases before. do they not teach you how case law works over in china?
                >I have no idea why the only two solutions in your head is cashless bail and defund the police or literal firing squads.
                you are literally the one arguing jail doesn't work. A firing squad would
                >You're actually so unhinged you can't follow a basic conversation.
                no, you just don't have an argument so you need to use insults
                >I have no clue how you came to this conclusion. This is categorically untrue.
                the gang shoplifting thing only started to happen post blm and post cashless bail when defund the police DA said they would not be charging people for shoplifting and when anyone who does this doesnt spend a day in jail because they are out on cashless bail
                >It can't. Not in the slightest. Its illegal to murder people for shoplifting. The alternate universe that exists in your head isn't real.
                a law can be passed saying using deadly force to protect property is legal. then it isn't murder

                How is 1 year arrived at? is it a "feels like" decision or has 0 thought been put into it. How about by jailing them for a year, you're exposing them to the gang system in prison and literally making the situation worse?

                there's a reason punishments used to be severe

                >How is 1 year arrived at? is it a "feels like" decision or has 0 thought been put into it.
                1 year of jail time makes it a felony, less than 1 year is a misdemeanor. there are a bunch of other laws that come into affect if you have felony status where as spending time in jail on a misdemeanor generally wont impact your life after you get out of jail
                >How about by jailing them for a year, you're exposing them to the gang system in prison and literally making the situation worse?
                not jailing them is making the situation worse right now

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I brought it up because I’m exposing your constitution argument. You don’t care about it at all.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you are just mad because you are a thief

                Its illegal, unconstitutional and non-sensical. I don't think returning to medieval Europe is the solution to crime issues. Retributive justice doesn't seem to work now in reducing crime anymore than it did back then.

                >Its illegal, unconstitutional and non-sensical.
                how is sentencing someone to be hung unconstitutional?
                >Retributive justice doesn't seem to work now in reducing crime anymore than it did back then.
                defund the police and cashless bail clearly don't work. And minimum mandatories do. Murder rate dropped in 1994 after we started putting weed users in jail for a decade and jumped up when places started legalizing weed

                They aren't though

                they are. See heller, bruen, miller v bonta and Caetano

                They absolutely are. AR15s pass the common use test.

                AR-15s are in common use. Also AR bans do not pass the bruen test.

                >Are you retarded? That’s what OP said. The politician never said that
                That's been the whole conversation, anon, about OP, not the fucking politician. OP is the one who was talking about hanging thieves, not the politician. Jesus Christ your reading comprehension is dogshit.

                [...]
                >You know what’s also unconstitutional? AR15 bans
                As hilarious as this pathetic attempt to pivot is I'm not falling for the bait. We're talking about mass shoplifting and its potential solutions. If you want to jump in on that conversation then have at it. I'm not getting pulled into another schizo gun nut black hole.

                >We're talking about mass shoplifting and its potential solutions.
                shooting shoplifters with an AR is a solution to mass shoplifting

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >shooting shoplifters with an AR is a solution to mass shoplifting
                Its an illegal solution, therefore its not a solution. Its just another one of your schizo delusions.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              why not, they used to hold lynchings all the time, it's an esteemed all american tradition

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its illegal, unconstitutional and non-sensical. I don't think returning to medieval Europe is the solution to crime issues. Retributive justice doesn't seem to work now in reducing crime anymore than it did back then.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You know what’s also unconstitutional? AR15 bans

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They aren't though

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They absolutely are. AR15s pass the common use test.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They don't though, so banning them is constitutional

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How don’t they?
                Also there is no historical basis for banning the most popular rifles so it fails that standard too.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I dunno, I think if there were dead shoplifters hanging outside a store that store wouldn't have anyone trying to steal from it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so youre saying that all it takes to prevent robbery completely is hang 1 dead person? that would prevent ALL robbery from that store FOREVER? (as long as the body is kept intact or replenished with a fresh one at regular intervals)

                if this is true this idea is literally worth billions of dollars every year. a single company such as walmart could pay minimal regulatory costs as well as acquisition costs, well below 1% of anticipated revenue, and rake in billions in free money.

                my god anon, youre a fucking genuis

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean I'm sure some people would still be stupid enough to try. It's beneficial and has zero cost though so I'm not sure what the issue is.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          your democrat meaningful solution was cheering for 8 months as blm rioted, looted and murdered and then collecting money.. not for the victims but to bail out the rioters and then you made pr about defunding the police and literally made it legale in certain places to steal...which all lead to a crime wave that we now have to deal with.. everything literally cheered on and produced by democrats.
          That was your "brilliant" solution.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            acting like niggas ain't stealin brazenly in places that didn't let blm get outta hand-- this problem was caused by corporations being terrified of tort

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shoplifters cause price rises. Eliminating shop lifters causes a drop in a prices. It's not like they're stealing a loaf of bread to live off, it's novelty shoplifting so they can hawk the goods.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Shoplifters cause price rises
            not true. everything has gone up. are shoplifters stealing gas or houses? look how the prices of everything has shot up these past two years. the majority of the stuff these shoplifters steal isnt worth shit. its all junk made in chine for pennies then shipped over here and these big box retailers jack the price way up. thats why the stores dont bother to prosecute they know the stuff is basically worthless

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You'll notice shit is more expensive in bad neighborhoods where shoplifting is more common. (Sometimes to pay for extra security, in addition to recouping losses.)

              Inflation is another issue.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You'll notice shit is more expensive in bad neighborhoods where shoplifting is more common
                how when there are no stores? there really are no grocery stores in the city. but ive noticed stores are shrinking their products and raising the prices especially lately. the stores use covid as an excuse now. same reason for why they hardly get stuff in stock most of the time now either

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              retard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >retard
                your mommy is calling you!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i am a retard and shit on the victims while blowing the criminals..b..but as soon as it happens to me then i am angry and demand change because "not in my backyard!"

      typical democrat voter, you should think about killing yourself

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shoplifters aren't humans

      Instead of providing any sort of meaningful solution or at the very least attempting to show that he's given this issue serious thought his answer is murder fantasies about returning to 15th century England where thieves are disemboweled in the streets. It just communicates he doesn't really care about the issues. Its all a meme to him.

      punishing shoplifters is a meaningful solution

      >He didn’t do that
      "Start hanging people outside of stores" isn't a serious solution to the problem. Its a meme. If he doesn't take the issues seriously why should anyone who engages with him?

      >You still have not answered my question
      I'm not the anon who made the first post. The value of human life is a philosophy conversation I'm not interested in getting into. Policy to help issues like mass shoplifting seems like the more interesting conversation.

      [...]
      >your democrat meaningful solution was cheering for 8 months as blm rioted,
      I have no idea who you're talking to. You just invented a bunch of shit in your head that I never said and has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

      >isn't a serious solution to the problem.
      it is. scumbags wont shoplift if it means being hanged

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what about the human lives experiencing violence and death and financial burden?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the people losing their jobs because stores have to close down because of diversity stealing?
      >pff, fuck em

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is 1 year arrived at? is it a "feels like" decision or has 0 thought been put into it. How about by jailing them for a year, you're exposing them to the gang system in prison and literally making the situation worse?

    there's a reason punishments used to be severe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      While one year might not be the best solution, letting them out with no time in jail to commit more crimes before a trial isn't working.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      While one year might not be the best solution, letting them out with no time in jail to commit more crimes before a trial isn't working.

      The kicker is that doing nothing doesn't work AND harsher punishment doesn't work. We've run our criminal justice experiment long enough to know that our society is not geared for rehabilitation. You essentially just make more hardened, more desperate criminals through constant incarceration. You take a thief, imprison them for a year, cut them off from their family, work and social connections, institutionalize them and expose them to the violence and terror of prison. When they come out they've been gone for a year, have a criminal record and nobody wants to hire them or rent to them and then what happens? They resort back to crime because its their only avenue. We've been perpetuating this cycle for decades. Seems to me like a third option is probably in order.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stealing from big chain stores is based.
    Everyone should steal from Walgreens. It's not even a crime.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stealing from chain stores directly affects prices at mom and pops. Why do you hate small businesses?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It does not affect the prices at mom and pops, which almost no longer exist.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thieves should be castrated and force fed their own dick and balls

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is correct, unless they are stealing from big chain stores and Walgreens.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s immoral

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          God commands us not to steal

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He does this because it harms the person who was stolen from and affects their livelyhood.
            This isn't true when you steal from big chain stores.

            >stealing is okay
            >how could you tell I'm a democrat?

            Nope, not even close to a Democrat.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Stealing from certain big chains does actually hurt the people working there. Some have a portion of money that is paid out to employees yearly that they subtract unaccounted for/stolen merchandise from.
              Too much gets stolen, the employees lose out on up to $1500 or more that they would have otherwise been paid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Stealing from certain big chains does actually hurt the people working there. Some have a portion of money that is paid out to employees yearly that they subtract unaccounted for/stolen merchandise from.
                >Too much gets stolen, the employees lose out on up to $1500 or more that they would have otherwise been paid.
                This usually applies to management as a bonus. And even when it doesn't I still don't care.
                What else you got?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nothing if you enjoy being associated with meth-heads and urban youth.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nothing if you enjoy being associated with meth-heads and urban youth.
                We can destigmatize theft and make thievery white again. It wouldn't take much.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bullshit, ask anyone in finance.
                It's called "accounting for shrinkage" which they project on the quarter through last trends.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that anon isn't lying, walmart does this. there's a pool that a percentage of a store's profits goes into, the store's shrink is subtracted from it and it gets paid out based on the amount of hours worked by the employee. work more, you get a bigger share but theft fucks you all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't care because I don't want people to work at Walmart for 40 hours a week and have no free time to invest into their lives, children and community.
                I want every person that works at Walmart to own their own successful business or have a meaningful job.
                $12/hr with a yearly $1500 shrink bonus just isn't worth it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >40 hours a week.

                Anon...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, yeah I get what you mean. It exists though.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, let me explain in more detail here if I can properly. These are relatively new ideas for me and they're evolving so I'll see what I can express.
                Right now the US is moving into a direction where there are three national competitors in each sector (thanks to fat Jerry and the judiciary). As this moves forward the amount of
                competition drops businesses need their customers.
                In addition to needing customers less businesses are getting better at seeking out federal contracts, and subsidies.
                The fact that they need customers less and rely on fedbux more means they're getting too big to fail.
                That's probably not for the best no matter how you feel about stealing. The fedbux also minimize the impact of theft even further
                I'd posit that's part of the reason every company can be faggy these days because what are you even gonna do about it.
                Additionally through investment firms these companies are essentially a single company with a single chain of ownership competing in multiple sectors which muddies the waters even more.
                So even if you were to boycott the investment firm would still get your money at the end of the day because it's also partial owner of the competitor.
                How does stealing from Walgreens fit into all this? Well it's impossible to boycott so you have to move to direct damage. This would at the very least drive up pricing to the point where a mom and pop could enter the market amongst other things.
                There's way more too this but it's way too hard to put into words and most right wingers "fucking love capitalism" so if you speak out against the system you must be a communist and I get that because commies are scum.
                However, they notice some of the issues with what's been happening economically whereas the typical :right winger still "fucking loves capitalism" the problem is communists are so vocal about communism they've killed any sane opposition.
                Of course you still don't understand what I'm actually advocating, I'm sure.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Stealing from certain big chains does actually hurt the people working there
                i remember reading that the majority of theft from these stores is by the employees

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >stealing is okay
      >how could you tell I'm a democrat?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's called commercial burglary and can get you three years in prison in California. They are handing out 33% good time so you only do a year. Charge the purses and backpacks as burglary tools because they are booster bags and if they resist apprehension by security charge them with strong arm robbery.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    theonesenior dontstealfromitelf

    As a senior who steals to survive, I support this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      then die old man.

      This is correct, unless they are stealing from big chain stores and Walgreens.

      no, if they steal from anywhere they deserve castration

      Paste the article newfag

      you post it, eunuch

      >shoplifting should be a capital crime
      seek help you sociopath

      stop stealing shit and get a job, homosexual.
      thieves should be shot in the head

      He does this because it harms the person who was stolen from and affects their livelyhood.
      This isn't true when you steal from big chain stores.
      [...]
      Nope, not even close to a Democrat.

      >wallgreens gets robbed
      >wallgreens gets shut down because they can't make money
      >blacks no longer have jobs
      >no stores in black neighborhoods
      >no food in black neighborhoods
      that "food desert" shit people bitch about is caused by shoplifting

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        gets shut down because they can't make money
        This is what I want.
        I want a slew of other pharmacies to take it's place.
        Walgreens itself stole from every convenience.
        Steal from Walgreens.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no one is going to replace them. You are just going to get a boarded up building. You see it literally the time in black areas

          go back

          to where?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >no one is going to replace them. You are just going to get a boarded up building. You see it literally the time in black areas
            Then how did they replace the corner store and corner pharmacy?
            But anyway, I don't care if there's a boarded up building. Steal from Walgreens (and CVS).

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Then how did they replace the corner store and corner pharmacy?
              the corner store fucks off because they don't want to deal with theft and threat of murder and are replaced by walgreens which is replaced by an empty lot
              >But anyway, I don't care if there's a boarded up building. Steal from Walgreens (and CVS).
              and then you bitch about how there is no food,
              not that walgreens or cvs is that great for food

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the corner store fucks off because they don't want to deal with theft and threat of murder and are replaced by walgreens which is replaced by an empty lot
                I'm fine with that.
                >and then you bitch about how there is no food,
                >not that walgreens or cvs is that great for food
                No, I never bitched about that. I haven't been to a Walgreens and paid in ten years.
                There are still plenty of grocery stores, but they all seem to have CVS pharmacies inside.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                then don't bitch about food deserts and lack of jobs

                Those come from uncontrolled stealing. Are you retarded?

                they literally do. if no grocery store can make money they wont exist. Why do you think food deserts are only in black areas?

                [...]
                The kicker is that doing nothing doesn't work AND harsher punishment doesn't work. We've run our criminal justice experiment long enough to know that our society is not geared for rehabilitation. You essentially just make more hardened, more desperate criminals through constant incarceration. You take a thief, imprison them for a year, cut them off from their family, work and social connections, institutionalize them and expose them to the violence and terror of prison. When they come out they've been gone for a year, have a criminal record and nobody wants to hire them or rent to them and then what happens? They resort back to crime because its their only avenue. We've been perpetuating this cycle for decades. Seems to me like a third option is probably in order.

                >The kicker is that doing nothing doesn't work AND harsher punishment doesn't work.
                Shooting them in the head would work.
                >Seems to me like a third option is probably in order.
                easy, make shoplifting a capital offence

                >Those come from uncontrolled stealing
                I'm perplexed how you came to this conclusion. No, anon. Food deserts aren't created by uncontrolled stealing. I'd bet any amount of money you just made that up on the spot. Food deserts essentially come from the cost/benefit of large supply chains making their way to small, poor or underserved communities. This is one of the reasons why the USPS is a great example of a privatized service - they guarantee delivery to any registered address in the U.S. because if you left it up to huge private mail companies they'd never build a store in a town of 500 people because its not worth the money. The same goes for grocery stores. There's a lot of places in the U.S. that are so poor, small or, in some cases, dangerous, that there is no incentive for large companies to extend their supply lines to those areas. So people living in small towns get fucked because Safeway and Costco have no incentive to build locations there so instead they get their food from local mom and pops who don't have the capital or the resources to import fresh produce or other perishables. When that happens the population ends up living off of extremely cheap food. This dynamic is largely responsible for a lot of the obesity issues in middle American.

                why are they only in densely packed black areas? I don't hear about white rural areas being food deserts?

                [...]
                >Yes, business don’t have to build where there is little or no financial benefit and huge risk.
                I never said they should, I was just explaining why "food deserts exist because people still" is a blatantly false and uneducated claim.

                >I would say have the black community build a co-op or to actually support themselves, but nobody wants to have that conversation.
                I would say that the mechanisms of this are apart of a much, much larger conversation. Basically, building a co-op is not a solution. A co-op doesn't address economy of scale, startup capital or price discrimination issues. If a private business has a hard time competing against big box stores in communities with high startup cost then a co-op is not going to fair any better. Even if it could you're talking about a shit ton of impoverished people with poor educations somehow pooling enough money together to start a business and then somehow managing to turn a profit without addressing any of the underlying issues that made doing business in that neighborhood a non-starter to begin with. Its just as unlikely to work in some dead coal mining town in Virginia. Essentially, its an economic and social infrastructure issue. It all starts with education and resources.

                If there is a food desert there isn't competition

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >then don't bitch about food deserts and lack of jobs
                I won't. Go back to Mexico.
                Actually, they have jobs in Mexico. It's where American cars are made after all.
                >Why do you think food deserts are only in black areas?
                Because 'groes steal indiscriminately.
                >Shooting them in the head would work.
                Based if they stole from a mom and pop. The difference is mom and pop's livelyhood is threatened when Tyrone Desquarius steals all the product and cash. There's no such affected victim when stealing from corpos since all the good were purchased for pennies on the dollar from China and ownership is split between several hundred thousand share holders.
                >why are they only in densely packed black areas? I don't hear about white rural areas being food deserts?
                I'm not that anon, and I'll say you're correct here. The term "food desert" was designed to obfuscate the fact that grocery stores were driven out by theft. And I'd like to duplicate this in all 50 states with Walgreens and would really appreciate a Walgreens desert.
                >If there is a food desert there isn't competition
                And this is why the other anon should give up. Market capture is especially valuable in business. If there's an empty market with people it should easily be filled if the market is in fact profitable.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I won't. Go back to Mexico.
                I'm not a mexican, I am a human.

                I don't care because I don't want people to work at Walmart for 40 hours a week and have no free time to invest into their lives, children and community.
                I want every person that works at Walmart to own their own successful business or have a meaningful job.
                $12/hr with a yearly $1500 shrink bonus just isn't worth it.

                most walmart workers are too subhuman to have their own business

                so youre saying that all it takes to prevent robbery completely is hang 1 dead person? that would prevent ALL robbery from that store FOREVER? (as long as the body is kept intact or replenished with a fresh one at regular intervals)

                if this is true this idea is literally worth billions of dollars every year. a single company such as walmart could pay minimal regulatory costs as well as acquisition costs, well below 1% of anticipated revenue, and rake in billions in free money.

                my god anon, youre a fucking genuis

                you would likely have to hang more than one shop lifter, also don't call shop lifters "person"

                It's always women!

                because they get lighter sentences.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              While I share your indifference with corporate profits, that's why bodegas exist as a little cubby store with everything behind the counter.

              That's what happens. You get stores that are impossible to rob.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              google food deserts...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those come from uncontrolled stealing. Are you retarded?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Those come from uncontrolled stealing
                I'm perplexed how you came to this conclusion. No, anon. Food deserts aren't created by uncontrolled stealing. I'd bet any amount of money you just made that up on the spot. Food deserts essentially come from the cost/benefit of large supply chains making their way to small, poor or underserved communities. This is one of the reasons why the USPS is a great example of a privatized service - they guarantee delivery to any registered address in the U.S. because if you left it up to huge private mail companies they'd never build a store in a town of 500 people because its not worth the money. The same goes for grocery stores. There's a lot of places in the U.S. that are so poor, small or, in some cases, dangerous, that there is no incentive for large companies to extend their supply lines to those areas. So people living in small towns get fucked because Safeway and Costco have no incentive to build locations there so instead they get their food from local mom and pops who don't have the capital or the resources to import fresh produce or other perishables. When that happens the population ends up living off of extremely cheap food. This dynamic is largely responsible for a lot of the obesity issues in middle American.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Food deserts essentially come from the cost/benefit of large supply chains making their way to small, poor or underserved communities.
                none of what you say makes any sense. i live in a big city majority Black no big box food stores anywhere in the city. drive a little bit to the county and huge food stores everywhere. dont inner city folks need food?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        go back

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Happy days

    Never happens. In Calif you spend 1 in four days in jail that's 3 months on a one year sentence minus time served 30 to sixty days time served the jail are full. And now with the flood of immigrants and remember a year in jail you loos your job your wife devorses you and now your homeless on food stamped and get free medical. The money from the youkrain war the loss of money from the COVID scamdemic and now the upcoming war with China I don't see things getting better.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Paste the article newfag

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >shoplifting should be a capital crime
    seek help you sociopath

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      stop stealing you worthless parasite

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly they should make a rule that if you mass-shoplift the workers amd security can start blasting and anyone that escapes gets away free.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Yes, business don’t have to build where there is little or no financial benefit and huge risk.
    I never said they should, I was just explaining why "food deserts exist because people still" is a blatantly false and uneducated claim.

    >I would say have the black community build a co-op or to actually support themselves, but nobody wants to have that conversation.
    I would say that the mechanisms of this are apart of a much, much larger conversation. Basically, building a co-op is not a solution. A co-op doesn't address economy of scale, startup capital or price discrimination issues. If a private business has a hard time competing against big box stores in communities with high startup cost then a co-op is not going to fair any better. Even if it could you're talking about a shit ton of impoverished people with poor educations somehow pooling enough money together to start a business and then somehow managing to turn a profit without addressing any of the underlying issues that made doing business in that neighborhood a non-starter to begin with. Its just as unlikely to work in some dead coal mining town in Virginia. Essentially, its an economic and social infrastructure issue. It all starts with education and resources.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I would say that the mechanisms of this are apart of a much, much larger conversation.
      So what you're saying is ship them back to Africa essentially.
      Really though, there was a time uneducated people started businesses.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shipping is expensive, bullets are cheaper

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm sure we could ship them to Puerto Rico using Amazon Prime for less than we pay for foodstamps and medicaid.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's always women!

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