anon all plastic is cheap. If you want to actually sell that this stuff is high tech and going to make super strong stuff then let’s see Dyneema Ultem or PEEK. Nylon is ultra cheap plastic. The amount in that coat probably costs $5
Anonymous says:
If it would be for cutting cista it would be cheaper polyester instead of nylon
Sometimes good brands only put like 10% of polyester in their clothes, what’s the economic benefit of 10% polyester when the rest of the coat or jumper is premium wool?
The economic argument only makes sense when it’s over 30% of plastic with cheap cotton.
But let’s say 90% alpaga and 10% polyester makes no economic sense.
And are you buying a spacesuit or a coat, you hecking astronaut?
Anonymous says:
the point is synthetics aren’t used for cost cutting
every sports jersey (worn by players who cost tens of millions of dollars per year and whose job is to deliver maximum performance) is 100% polyester
no, I’m not buying a sports jersey either
just saying that sYnThEtiCs cHeAp is a BS argument as there are clearly uses where polyester is superior to cotton, wool, cashmere, silk, humpback whale placenta and every other material in existence.
Anonymous says:
But they are cheaper, poor gay
Anonymous says:
I have 2 almost 20 year old 100% cotten sweaters gay
Whenever you see a small amount of cashmere, you know it’s gonna pill after a few wears. Designers add a small amount of low quality cashmere to make it look soft.
Every athlete wears 100% synthetic when they’re competing.
End every Arctic/Antarctic explorer and mountaineer, they all wear basically 100% polyester.
Canada Goose parkas are mostly synthetic too.
Astronaut garments are all synthetic.
Polyester is superior for basically everything. The /fashion/ggots that shit on synthetics are the same ones who think glue is not good enough to hold shoes together even if missiles that withstand 80Gs and spaceship heat tiles are held together by glue.
But how much are you going to wear that coat anyway? And is the rest of your wardrobe good enough to support it? The other day I saw a guy in a new coat strutting like he’s the king of the world but his shoes were kinda shitty and didn’t go well with it and it screamed poorfag. Oh and he was a gypsy.
Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, stay out of my booze!
nay. the only acceptable synthetic is lyocell/rayon because it’s biodegradable.
doesn’t mean they are good, they are just better for sports. in every other situation you should avoid synthetics. >mashine washing synthetics is abrasive >parts of microplastics are released into wastewater >accumulate in rivers since they don’t degrade >get into drinking water >bioaccumulate in blood >bioaccumulate in brain >congrats you now got plastics in your body
just try to avoid them as much as possible.
So why do military uniforms (including those of high speed low drag spare-no-expense special forces) use at least 50% synthetics? Why do astronauts wear synthetics when they’re out on spacewalks (the innermost layer in contact with their bodies)? Why do Canada Goose parkas have all-synthetic outer layers? Why do mountaineers climbing like Mount Everest or guys working at the South Pole wear synthetics?
Basically in every case where performance is important and marketing is not involved, synthetics are used. Don’t fall for the appeal to nature. Humans are really smart and we make synthetic materials because they’re really useful and in most cases perform better.
Even if astronauts wear them, it doesn’t mean microplastics are good for your health.
Astronauts already get a ton of radiations, so obviously health is not their main concerns. Their problematic is not the same.
Do you have any evidence that wearing clothing with synthetic materials is bad for your health?
Anonymous says:
All microplastics are, google "microplastics + health"
Anonymous says:
Ok, so whatever I’m drinking from plastic bottles is bad for my health as are the groceries I keep in plastic bags. But how about clothes and how does it compare? Are you sure you’re not just shitting on synthetic clothes out of principle because synthetics cheap and bad and wool/cotton good because natural?
Anonymous says:
>so whatever I’m drinking from plastic bottles is bad for my health
Well yes it is. I only drink either from glass or from BPA free Brita bottles.
It’s not because everybody eats and drink shit that it’s ok.
Anonymous says:
astronauts also wear diapers. should everyone wear diapers?
They’re wearing diapers when they can’t use the toilet for hours, but they’re wearing synthetics all the time for some reason. And it’s not like they’re saving any money, they could have the finest cashmere everything if they thought it was a good idea.
>End every Arctic/Antarctic explorer and mountaineer, they all wear basically 100% polyester.
some of them do use merino wool for underlayers
>some of them do use merino wool for underlayers
But they use a lot of synthetics too. Why are Canada Goose parkas synthetic?
>so whatever I’m drinking from plastic bottles is bad for my health
Well yes it is. I only drink either from glass or from BPA free Brita bottles.
It’s not because everybody eats and drink shit that it’s ok.
Yeah but if I’m not going to stop drinking out of plastic water bottles or flossing with my credit cards, is there any point in caring how much polyester is in my clothes? Do you have any actual data about synthetics from clothes you’re wearing getting into your body?
Anonymous says:
>But they use a lot of synthetics too.
I agree with you, I’m just saying there’s still a small space for natural garments even if not optimal.
Anonymous says:
Military grunts get exposed to tons of shit that causes cancer. It doesnt surprise me that they also outfit them in plastic.
>why do military uniforms use at least 50% synthetics
cheap >why do astronauts wear synthetics on spacewalks
very easy to deform into the needed shapes. natural materials would probably work, but why shape expensive material when cheap material do trick. >Why do Canada Goose parkas have all-synthetic outer layers? Why do mountaineers climbing like Mount Everest or guys working at the South Pole wear synthetics?
plastics are easily made waterproof and even windproof. you can chemically coat them with a lot of shit as well. my parkas are not made from polyester. you don’t have to buy those in polyester. that’s entirely by choice.
so what about my points about polluting the environment, food chain and your own body with microplastics? anything to say against that with your plastic-filled brain? you’re putting plastic in your body and your brain and you tell me about astronauts doing spacewalks. on average, there are zero (rounded) astronauts doing spacewalks each day.
>so whatever I’m drinking from plastic bottles is bad for my health
Well yes it is. I only drink either from glass or from BPA free Brita bottles.
It’s not because everybody eats and drink shit that it’s ok.
use glass only. bpa free often means they have replaced it with e.g. bps, which is actually even worse. but then again, re-using a bottle made from solid plastic for years isn’t even close to the amount of microplastics released by machine-washing synthetic clothes once.
They’re wearing diapers when they can’t use the toilet for hours, but they’re wearing synthetics all the time for some reason. And it’s not like they’re saving any money, they could have the finest cashmere everything if they thought it was a good idea.
[…] >some of them do use merino wool for underlayers
But they use a lot of synthetics too. Why are Canada Goose parkas synthetic?
[…]
Yeah but if I’m not going to stop drinking out of plastic water bottles or flossing with my credit cards, is there any point in caring how much polyester is in my clothes? Do you have any actual data about synthetics from clothes you’re wearing getting into your body?
what’s with your fixation on canada goose parkas. profit margins are probably insane on those. the other anon has already mentioned googling "microplastics + health". it’s real, my dude. it’s poison.
the point is synthetics aren’t used for cost cutting
every sports jersey (worn by players who cost tens of millions of dollars per year and whose job is to deliver maximum performance) is 100% polyester
no, I’m not buying a sports jersey either
just saying that sYnThEtiCs cHeAp is a BS argument as there are clearly uses where polyester is superior to cotton, wool, cashmere, silk, humpback whale placenta and every other material in existence.
but they are. they have benefits when it comes to evaporating sweat, because unlike natural they don’t soak it into the fibers, but spread it, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t cheaper.
>>why do military uniforms use at least 50% synthetics >cheap
The US military spends $15k to merely recruit a soldier plus another $35k-50k to send one through basic training, but they (and every other military in the world btw) are saving $10 by using polyester?
>>why do astronauts wear synthetics on spacewalks >very easy to deform into the needed shapes. natural materials would probably work, but why shape expensive material when cheap material do trick.
I’m talking specifically about the innermost garment that astronauts wear, the body suit. Why would it be synthetic if it weren’t superior? A space suit costs more than $10M and space walks cost $17k per hour, but they’re using inferior material to save like $1000?
>so what about my points about polluting the environment, food chain and your own body with microplastics?
Oh so you’re the Greta Thunberg of microplastics? Okay that’s cool, but that doesn’t have anything to do with superiority or inferiority of synthetics in clothes.
Do you have any actual sources to support that synthetics from clothes end up specifically in the person wearing them rather than just the environment in general? Because if it’s just about the environment, look at
https://i.imgur.com/B35pD3Y.jpg
Polyamide is usually used to strengthen the garment. Coarse, virgin wool of a decent thickness has no need for that, so the polyamide content might suggest recycled wool (bad), very fine wool (matter of taste), thin fabric (dito). Check for those.
Overblown. Most microplastic does not come from clothes. Neither in nature and rivers, nor in your body. If the polyamide content is for strengthening, it is likely a thick fiber that doesn’t shed much microplastic either. If you don’t wear it in small rooms or cars, it’s even less of an issue.
and start crusading against road transport.
>but they are. they have benefits when it comes to evaporating sweat, because unlike natural they don’t soak it into the fibers, but spread it, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t cheaper.
Sometimes the cheaper option is superior. The reason I’m mentioning athletic garments and uniforms and space tech is to show that synthetics are being used instead of natural materials even when cost isn’t an issue, meaning that synthetics are superior in some applications including clothing for high physical performance. In fact based on their real world use and in absence of any examples to the contrary, synthetics and blends are universally superior to natural materials for clothing that requires high physical performance.
Anonymous says:
1.4 million times 10 equals 14 million. Got to save some money for dick Chaney and his firends in the military industry industrial and complex
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Anonymous says:
Well heck this herpes/aids of a site for not letting me delete this miss post
Anonymous says:
do you think they only need to buy clothes once in the military? also when it comes to invitations to tender the bidder with the lowest cost that fulfills all criteria has to be chosen.
not even gonna bother with the other stuff. this isn’t a challenge who can release the most microplastics, it’s about who releases the least. you don’t have to take part in it, but i have chosen to do my part where i can. in this case, i have perfectly valid clothing options available. the only thing left to mention is that a simple google search yielded me the results on astronaut clothing, and that is simply that they are using polymers with fire-stupidant properties. turns out fire on space stations sucks. you wear your plastic, i wear my whatever.
Anonymous says:
Lmao why don’t you give us some data and facts that prove synthetics are better, whining about how astronauts use them does not count.
Anonymous says:
My arguments are real world use by athletes, the military and astronauts. All activities where the cost of synthetic vs natural material isn’t a factor and where performance is a priority.
Your arguments is "synthetics bad just because I said so"
>And yet firefighters wear wool.
Nomex, Aramid or Kevlar
All synthetic
>Why do government employees wear synthetics when their uniform suppliers are picked based on the lowest bid
Jeez I don’t know, it’s not like military equipment is actually cheap shit that just gets replaced constantly.
>Jeez I don’t know, it’s not like military equipment is actually cheap shit that just gets replaced constantly.
The US military spends $15k to merely recruit a soldier plus another $35k-50k to send one through basic training and you think they’re using synthetics in uniforms to save $10?
Even if the priority is keeping warm (m-muh wool), here’s the components of the Extended Cold Weather Clothing System used by the US military:
– Level I: Sandy-colored Light-Weight polypropylene Polartec Power Dry Silkweight Undershirt & Drawers
– Level II: Sandy polyester Polartec Power Dry grid fleece Mid-Weight Shirt & Drawers
– Level III: Black Polartec Thermal Pro® polyester High-Loft Fleece Jacket
– Level IV: Nylon Wind Jacket[3]
– Level V: Water-repellent stretchable nylon soft shell Cold Weather Jacket & Trousers
– Level VI: Extreme Wet/Cold Weather Gore-Tex Jacket & Trousers
– Level VII: Extreme Cold Weather soft shell with PrimaLoft® Silver Insulation USA Parka & Trousers
All synthetic. Superior.
Anonymous says:
i don’t get it, my dude. i’ve googled the microplastics thing and it’s very real. i think you’re a psyop who wants to poison everybody. that weird reddit spacing doesn’t really help with your legitimacy, either. personally i just don’t like how synthetics feel against my skin, that’s why i don’t wear them. they are uncomfortable and cold.
Anonymous says:
if it’s any consolation, we’ve all been contaminated with microplastics for a long time. Wearing pure wool as opposed to an 80/20 blend isn’t going to drastically change anything
Anonymous says:
>if it’s any consolation, we’ve all been contaminated with microplastics for a long time.
That’s the most stupid argument. >it’s ok to smoke, if it’s any consolation, we’ve all been contaminated with pollution for a long time. >it’s ok to do meth, if it’s any consolation, we’ve all been contaminated with chemicals for a long time.
…
Anonymous says:
complete strawman but okay
Anonymous says:
But the microplastics don’t get from your clothes to your body. They instead contaminate the environment and get into the water supply, and the biggest sources of microplastic pollution is road traffic (tires and asphalt abrasion).
Anonymous says:
brother the "i’m not the biggest source" argument is so worn out. maybe i can drive less, too, or buy long-lasting tires? can i add that on top of my use of fibers which don’t accumulate? it’s like donating $20 to a charity. yeah sure i’m not the biggest donator, but $20 is $20.
Anonymous says:
Sounds like more of a pet peeve than an actual environmental issue. Doesn’t mean you need to stop driving, but if you’re spending 10 minutes ranting against synthetic fibres but not 100 minutes ranting against road transport, then you’re a hypocrite.
Anonymous says:
don’t talk my decisions down. i’ve long replaced all the light bulbs in this house with leds, i hang-dry my clothes, i’ve got a water-saving shower head. i’m not ranting against anything, really, but when the topic comes up, i mention how i do it. these are all my personal decisions. a quick search about the microplastics in our lives has now led me down another path. once again i will personally (just me) not use synthetic fibers which accumulate if i can help it. it really doesn’t matter to me what others do or what the transport industry does. i don’t live for others, i live for myself.
Anonymous says:
You are talking to either a glowie or a NPC stupid.
It’s the same kind who said you should get vaxxed with an unproven mRNA injection and if you didn’t it’s because you don’t "believe in science" and you’re just afraid of a jab. Literal NPC cattle trash.
Anonymous says:
i had a feeling
seems to only be a single person and the arguments repeat (astronaut/athletes/soldier) all the time, like it’s from a manual or something
Anonymous says:
You don’t even have arguments except it contributes to pollution to a very small degree and you don’t like how it feels on your skin, even though you’ve never done a blind test to see whether you can tell the difference between synthetic and cotton/wool, which I’m confident you’d fail.
Anonymous says:
yeah just let me set up a blind test/study/science experiment with a sample size of me to see if i like it or not and to make sure the science is sound, so i can trust it. or i could just test it at a store and realize that i don’t like the feel. again, don’t talk my decisions down. you really need to stop that. it hurts your credibility (put it in your manual).
Anonymous says:
You’re the one bringing cultural/political issues into this. I’m just saying athletes and the military know what they’re doing, while you still believe JFK Jr will come back from the grave to start arresting pedophiles.
Anonymous says:
>you still believe JFK Jr will come back
textbook strawman
Anonymous says:
Think about it: if you really believe some shadowy conspiracy cabal made vaccines that would kill obedient sheeple and leave the least trusting and most independent populations alive, are your other opinions worth considering seriously?
Anonymous says:
heck off already, glowie.
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Anonymous says:
>Antisemitic point of no return
There you go revealing yourself, you cancer. Go off yourself.
Anonymous says:
Humans are also really smart at reducing costs, ergo synthetic fabrics.
>Basically in every case where performance is important and marketing is not involved, synthetics are used.
moron we’re talking about a COAT. The only performance that matters is keeping you warm. Why are you so hecking autistic?
>Why do government employees wear synthetics when their uniform suppliers are picked based on the lowest bid
Jeez I don’t know, it’s not like military equipment is actually cheap shit that just gets replaced constantly.
Polyamide is usually used to strengthen the garment. Coarse, virgin wool of a decent thickness has no need for that, so the polyamide content might suggest recycled wool (bad), very fine wool (matter of taste), thin fabric (dito). Check for those.
Overblown. Most microplastic does not come from clothes. Neither in nature and rivers, nor in your body. If the polyamide content is for strengthening, it is likely a thick fiber that doesn’t shed much microplastic either. If you don’t wear it in small rooms or cars, it’s even less of an issue.
The argument with the shoes is that glue is not good enough. I’m saying if glue technology is advanced enough to withstand 80Gs and 6000 degree temps, it’s good enough for your larpy work boots.
>Polyester looks, feels and breathes horribly you’re just being a contrarian
if it feels and breathes horribly, why is it used when performance is a priority and where marketing isn’t involved?
My point anon is that you’re forgetting that OP isn’t buying a space suit. I’m not denying that plastics make better protective gear. OP is buying a coat that will be worn outside for 30 minutes at a time. You sperging out about ultra high performance space suits is not helping. If we’re on the subject of plastics the where the heck is my dyneema coat? heck your b***h ass weak polyester
A soccer or basketball jersey isn’t "protective gear". Guys move around and sweat in it. If you’re claiming a coat with 30% polyester is inferior to a coat without polyester, you better have some solid verifiable arguments otherwise you’re just falling for the gaygiest version of broscience.
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I don’t care about basketball jerseys anon. The only reason they use those is because they don’t get soaked and the color can be bright. What exactly do you want to do with a 30% poly coat that a 100% wool coat doesn’t do? All materials have an application. You need to justify why that material is justified for that application. Polyester doesn’t breath and feels worse objectively. So what property do you get that’s worth the tradeoff in a coat that is to be worn for 30 minutes at a time?
By your logic carbon fiber is better than wool therefore adding more carbon fiber is better. Maybe you should stop appealing to authority and start thinking for yourself
Anonymous says:
You’re the one claiming polyester is bad in a coat. I think it doesn’t really matter one way or the other.
>Polyester doesn’t breath
Is that why athletes and soldiers wear it?
>feels worse objectively >feels >objectively
You need to think this through.
Anonymous says:
>Is that why athletes and soldiers wear it?
try not making a claim to authority and try again
Anonymous says:
Athletes and soldiers wear the plastic stuff because, in their case, it’s one of the two purposes i might have – workwear which is subjected to harsh use and is durable enough to withstand it. That, and a cheap substitute for winter outerwear, because we can’t afford the goose down stuff. OP is buying anl coat for daily, casual wearing, therefore, plastic is not fit for purpose. It doesn’t keep warm or breathe, not windproof either (unless impregnated or literal linoleum).
Anonymous says:
And yet firefighters wear wool. Also traditionally outdoorsmen wore wool, it seems like you’re stupid.
100% wool or bust
It’s going to be a expensive and heavy but believe me you‘ll be disappointed quality wise with anything else. The color fades, the coat might fall apart, it doesn‘t insulate well, these little wool mice form on the outside making the coat look kind of shabby.
Better than 100% wool, the 20% nylon is for durability and not cost cutting (that would be 50/50 mixes). It’s the last step in pricepoint before you get to luxurious 100% cashmere coats that are not made for wearing often
Also, a 80/20 coat will be less prone to piling than the 100% wools. But hey, what do the gays on here even know, the only wool coat fits you see here look terrible&fedora-tier as that greatcoat thread atm.
Its its not 100% wool i wouldn’t pay more than $120 for it. You can get Vietnamese shit that is 100% wool and if you can’t tell by feel you need to leave
>he would rather take a shit made coat that says 100% shit wool on the tag than a well made one with 20 or 10% poly.
The epitome of what is wrong with you NATURAL FIBER obsessed mongoloids.
If you cant tell real wool from synthetic and synthetic blends by looking at it and feeling it then you are a poor gay. And yes I would rather have better made beter material stuff made in none american countries than over priced boutique shit that is walmart quality
There’s no real reason for a simple coat to have plastic in it.
Anonymous says:
Why are you changing the subject.
Anonymous says:
How did he change the subject? You are arguing to pay more money for an inferior product.
Anonymous says:
There is you stupid, multiple high end brands use 80/20 or 90/10 blends for durability. There’s 1k blend coats
Anonymous says:
>> why yes I would like gold plated hebrewelry made in america over cheaper 24k gold hebrewelry made in another country.
The ameircan auto industry still has never come back 100% from the 70s but stupids like you still think america number 1
Anonymous says:
>Coping with bad apples to oranges comparisons
Anonymous says:
How is that hecking apples to oranges? Its more like nice apples from the next town over shipped to your market vs rotten butt apples grown by the local town drunk who charges 5 times and gets away with it because the community feels bad for him. I’m not saying made in america is bad but a lot of those brands charge premiums for shit
Anonymous says:
>Unhinged blogpost
Didn’t read.
Anonymous says:
But by calling it unhinged you must have read a little or not either way you are stupid. Why have so many American car brands died since the 80s?
Anonymous says:
Enjoy your shitty walmart select beef while I eat wagyu and kobe because I select quality instead brand and country
Anonymous says:
Ignoring the fabric content (this was likely bait to make people argue about synthetics), don’t buy a beige wool coat. It’s getting so boring– every millennial and gen X person has one and it’s always boring and ugly.
Beige coat, white sneakers, turtleneck; copy-pasted again and again.
It doesn’t matter if you wear it with something else; it’ll still look bad.
If you want to maximize your chances of having sex (which, if your sex drive is functioning properly, should be a top consideration), you need to look like a well adjusted guy at least. That means if guys who are hecking are wearing beige wool coats, so should you. If they have broccoli haircuts, so should you. If they’re becoming femboys, so should you.
Don’t be looking like some weirdo who doesn’t fit it. By the time you realize it’s a bad strategy, you’ll be too old and tight teen (over the age of consent, heck you feds) pussy will be off limits forever!
joke’s on you, my fingers are the only part of me that have been immersed in a pussy
it’s almost exactly like that flesh under your tongue, I keep replaying the feeling in my head
once I get a beige wool coat, maybe I’ll get to experience it again
To recap:
polyester in clothes is a good thing. Synthetics used whereever performance is an issue. It’s clearly superior for every kind of physical activity, as evidenced by every single sports garment being synthetic. It’s also used in military uniforms, again for performance.
The only reason you’d want to use 100% wool or cotton is for marketing reasons, to appeal to simpleminded plebes who know nothing about fabric.
If anyone disagrees, they’re welcome to come to my gym and square up and I’ll turn pummel them into beta male goo, again with my synthetic sparring gloves.
>MUH DURABILTY >I JUST HAVE TO POISON THE PLANET FOREVER BECAUSE IM A FATASS THAT HAS NO IDEA ON HOW TO TAKE CARE OR REPAIR ANYTHING
A good 100% wollcoat can last you decades or even a lifetime if you know how to take care of. The only problem is, that you might have to deal with moths.
Plastics are pure poison for you, your hormones and the enviroment and should be avoided whenever possible. Also natural fibers feel and look better.
thats a really nice looking coat anon. Oldest clothing item I own is a tweed jacket from the 70s
Why though? It’s not a family hairloom, it’s just some old timey coat. Imagine treating your clothes like they’re relics.
stupid mentality. People not caring about quality anymore and just buying the latest chink shit that will break down after a few years or months disgust me. I recently moved into a bigger flat and bought some antique furniture items. Sure, they have some minor damages, but overall still look amazing and will last another hundred years if i treat them right. Pic related is an old desk I got for example. Better than every trash you could buy at ikea
>Pic related is an old desk I got for example. Better than every trash you could buy at ikea
Better at what? At being a heavy and expensive fixture in your house? It’s a desk, it’s purpose is to provide a flat horizontal surface, not to tie you down and be a burden in case you want to live somewhere else.
no , coats like these are really hard to style, they might not even fit right if your buying it online, they are very expensive. its a really difficult color and it’s also a style of jacket that is out of style right now.
Reminder to everyone ITT that you’re a stupid for not but clothes that are at least 5% steel wires. >bubububut I don’t like synthetics!
steel is used by every bridge and building. You really going to tell me that bridges are wrong? It’s stronger than wool and NOT a cost cutting measure even though iron is one of the most abundant resources. Steel will add strength which you need wheel you use your coat to pull a trailer stuck in the mud.
Steel is used everywhere performance matters. Lets see wool hold ups hundreds of cars on a bridge at once
>20% Polyamide
eww
You guys are stupids, the nylon is to make the garment more durable, a 100% wool coat won’t be as durable.
Is there someone who has done some testing as to how much benefit you get? Seems like a meme thing to say
thats fine if you like your clothes to be made out of trash bags but it couldn’t be me senpai
yeah were totally not just cutting costs by putting plastic in our clothes, were actually doing it for your benefit! trust us!
If it would be for cutting cista it would be cheaper polyester instead of nylon
anon all plastic is cheap. If you want to actually sell that this stuff is high tech and going to make super strong stuff then let’s see Dyneema Ultem or PEEK. Nylon is ultra cheap plastic. The amount in that coat probably costs $5
Sometimes good brands only put like 10% of polyester in their clothes, what’s the economic benefit of 10% polyester when the rest of the coat or jumper is premium wool?
The economic argument only makes sense when it’s over 30% of plastic with cheap cotton.
But let’s say 90% alpaga and 10% polyester makes no economic sense.
>Sometimes good brands only put like 10% of polyester in their clothes
good brands dont put plastic in their clothes at all anon
Yeah right
Hahahahahaha
>the cheap as heck plastic in your clothes is for your own benefit, goy
space suits are 100% synthetic and they cost more than a new 5th generation fighter jet
And are you buying a spacesuit or a coat, you hecking astronaut?
the point is synthetics aren’t used for cost cutting
every sports jersey (worn by players who cost tens of millions of dollars per year and whose job is to deliver maximum performance) is 100% polyester
no, I’m not buying a sports jersey either
just saying that sYnThEtiCs cHeAp is a BS argument as there are clearly uses where polyester is superior to cotton, wool, cashmere, silk, humpback whale placenta and every other material in existence.
But they are cheaper, poor gay
I have 2 almost 20 year old 100% cotten sweaters gay
>Synthetic materials
What’s a few more microplastics, eh?
Whenever you see a small amount of cashmere, you know it’s gonna pill after a few wears. Designers add a small amount of low quality cashmere to make it look soft.
All wool that isn’t super tightly woven like suiting fabric will pill.
That’s not really a true highest grade cashmere (grade A) doesn’t pile, the cheap shit does tho
nay, 100% wool or wool/cashmere mix
Nah you will die because of frostbite because a jacket with 20% PLASTIC is only 97.5954% as warm as a 100% NATURALS (SUPERIOR!!!!!) jacket.
Every athlete wears 100% synthetic when they’re competing.
End every Arctic/Antarctic explorer and mountaineer, they all wear basically 100% polyester.
Canada Goose parkas are mostly synthetic too.
Astronaut garments are all synthetic.
Polyester is superior for basically everything. The /fashion/ggots that shit on synthetics are the same ones who think glue is not good enough to hold shoes together even if missiles that withstand 80Gs and spaceship heat tiles are held together by glue.
But how much are you going to wear that coat anyway? And is the rest of your wardrobe good enough to support it? The other day I saw a guy in a new coat strutting like he’s the king of the world but his shoes were kinda shitty and didn’t go well with it and it screamed poorfag. Oh and he was a gypsy.
Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, stay out of my booze!
nay. the only acceptable synthetic is lyocell/rayon because it’s biodegradable.
doesn’t mean they are good, they are just better for sports. in every other situation you should avoid synthetics.
>mashine washing synthetics is abrasive
>parts of microplastics are released into wastewater
>accumulate in rivers since they don’t degrade
>get into drinking water
>bioaccumulate in blood
>bioaccumulate in brain
>congrats you now got plastics in your body
just try to avoid them as much as possible.
So why do military uniforms (including those of high speed low drag spare-no-expense special forces) use at least 50% synthetics? Why do astronauts wear synthetics when they’re out on spacewalks (the innermost layer in contact with their bodies)? Why do Canada Goose parkas have all-synthetic outer layers? Why do mountaineers climbing like Mount Everest or guys working at the South Pole wear synthetics?
Basically in every case where performance is important and marketing is not involved, synthetics are used. Don’t fall for the appeal to nature. Humans are really smart and we make synthetic materials because they’re really useful and in most cases perform better.
Even if astronauts wear them, it doesn’t mean microplastics are good for your health.
Astronauts already get a ton of radiations, so obviously health is not their main concerns. Their problematic is not the same.
Do you have any evidence that wearing clothing with synthetic materials is bad for your health?
All microplastics are, google "microplastics + health"
Ok, so whatever I’m drinking from plastic bottles is bad for my health as are the groceries I keep in plastic bags. But how about clothes and how does it compare? Are you sure you’re not just shitting on synthetic clothes out of principle because synthetics cheap and bad and wool/cotton good because natural?
>so whatever I’m drinking from plastic bottles is bad for my health
Well yes it is. I only drink either from glass or from BPA free Brita bottles.
It’s not because everybody eats and drink shit that it’s ok.
astronauts also wear diapers. should everyone wear diapers?
They’re wearing diapers when they can’t use the toilet for hours, but they’re wearing synthetics all the time for some reason. And it’s not like they’re saving any money, they could have the finest cashmere everything if they thought it was a good idea.
>some of them do use merino wool for underlayers
But they use a lot of synthetics too. Why are Canada Goose parkas synthetic?
Yeah but if I’m not going to stop drinking out of plastic water bottles or flossing with my credit cards, is there any point in caring how much polyester is in my clothes? Do you have any actual data about synthetics from clothes you’re wearing getting into your body?
>But they use a lot of synthetics too.
I agree with you, I’m just saying there’s still a small space for natural garments even if not optimal.
Military grunts get exposed to tons of shit that causes cancer. It doesnt surprise me that they also outfit them in plastic.
Hurr durr why do planes fly in da air and cars drive on da street? Nigga im not going into space or iraq I just want to be comfy
>why do military uniforms use at least 50% synthetics
cheap
>why do astronauts wear synthetics on spacewalks
very easy to deform into the needed shapes. natural materials would probably work, but why shape expensive material when cheap material do trick.
>Why do Canada Goose parkas have all-synthetic outer layers? Why do mountaineers climbing like Mount Everest or guys working at the South Pole wear synthetics?
plastics are easily made waterproof and even windproof. you can chemically coat them with a lot of shit as well. my parkas are not made from polyester. you don’t have to buy those in polyester. that’s entirely by choice.
so what about my points about polluting the environment, food chain and your own body with microplastics? anything to say against that with your plastic-filled brain? you’re putting plastic in your body and your brain and you tell me about astronauts doing spacewalks. on average, there are zero (rounded) astronauts doing spacewalks each day.
use glass only. bpa free often means they have replaced it with e.g. bps, which is actually even worse. but then again, re-using a bottle made from solid plastic for years isn’t even close to the amount of microplastics released by machine-washing synthetic clothes once.
what’s with your fixation on canada goose parkas. profit margins are probably insane on those. the other anon has already mentioned googling "microplastics + health". it’s real, my dude. it’s poison.
but they are. they have benefits when it comes to evaporating sweat, because unlike natural they don’t soak it into the fibers, but spread it, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t cheaper.
>>why do military uniforms use at least 50% synthetics
>cheap
The US military spends $15k to merely recruit a soldier plus another $35k-50k to send one through basic training, but they (and every other military in the world btw) are saving $10 by using polyester?
>>why do astronauts wear synthetics on spacewalks
>very easy to deform into the needed shapes. natural materials would probably work, but why shape expensive material when cheap material do trick.
I’m talking specifically about the innermost garment that astronauts wear, the body suit. Why would it be synthetic if it weren’t superior? A space suit costs more than $10M and space walks cost $17k per hour, but they’re using inferior material to save like $1000?
>so what about my points about polluting the environment, food chain and your own body with microplastics?
Oh so you’re the Greta Thunberg of microplastics? Okay that’s cool, but that doesn’t have anything to do with superiority or inferiority of synthetics in clothes.
Do you have any actual sources to support that synthetics from clothes end up specifically in the person wearing them rather than just the environment in general? Because if it’s just about the environment, look at
and start crusading against road transport.
>but they are. they have benefits when it comes to evaporating sweat, because unlike natural they don’t soak it into the fibers, but spread it, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t cheaper.
Sometimes the cheaper option is superior. The reason I’m mentioning athletic garments and uniforms and space tech is to show that synthetics are being used instead of natural materials even when cost isn’t an issue, meaning that synthetics are superior in some applications including clothing for high physical performance. In fact based on their real world use and in absence of any examples to the contrary, synthetics and blends are universally superior to natural materials for clothing that requires high physical performance.
1.4 million times 10 equals 14 million. Got to save some money for dick Chaney and his firends in the military industry industrial and complex
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do you think they only need to buy clothes once in the military? also when it comes to invitations to tender the bidder with the lowest cost that fulfills all criteria has to be chosen.
not even gonna bother with the other stuff. this isn’t a challenge who can release the most microplastics, it’s about who releases the least. you don’t have to take part in it, but i have chosen to do my part where i can. in this case, i have perfectly valid clothing options available. the only thing left to mention is that a simple google search yielded me the results on astronaut clothing, and that is simply that they are using polymers with fire-stupidant properties. turns out fire on space stations sucks. you wear your plastic, i wear my whatever.
Lmao why don’t you give us some data and facts that prove synthetics are better, whining about how astronauts use them does not count.
My arguments are real world use by athletes, the military and astronauts. All activities where the cost of synthetic vs natural material isn’t a factor and where performance is a priority.
Your arguments is "synthetics bad just because I said so"
>And yet firefighters wear wool.
Nomex, Aramid or Kevlar
All synthetic
>Jeez I don’t know, it’s not like military equipment is actually cheap shit that just gets replaced constantly.
The US military spends $15k to merely recruit a soldier plus another $35k-50k to send one through basic training and you think they’re using synthetics in uniforms to save $10?
Even if the priority is keeping warm (m-muh wool), here’s the components of the Extended Cold Weather Clothing System used by the US military:
– Level I: Sandy-colored Light-Weight polypropylene Polartec Power Dry Silkweight Undershirt & Drawers
– Level II: Sandy polyester Polartec Power Dry grid fleece Mid-Weight Shirt & Drawers
– Level III: Black Polartec Thermal Pro® polyester High-Loft Fleece Jacket
– Level IV: Nylon Wind Jacket[3]
– Level V: Water-repellent stretchable nylon soft shell Cold Weather Jacket & Trousers
– Level VI: Extreme Wet/Cold Weather Gore-Tex Jacket & Trousers
– Level VII: Extreme Cold Weather soft shell with PrimaLoft® Silver Insulation USA Parka & Trousers
All synthetic. Superior.
i don’t get it, my dude. i’ve googled the microplastics thing and it’s very real. i think you’re a psyop who wants to poison everybody. that weird reddit spacing doesn’t really help with your legitimacy, either. personally i just don’t like how synthetics feel against my skin, that’s why i don’t wear them. they are uncomfortable and cold.
if it’s any consolation, we’ve all been contaminated with microplastics for a long time. Wearing pure wool as opposed to an 80/20 blend isn’t going to drastically change anything
>if it’s any consolation, we’ve all been contaminated with microplastics for a long time.
That’s the most stupid argument.
>it’s ok to smoke, if it’s any consolation, we’ve all been contaminated with pollution for a long time.
>it’s ok to do meth, if it’s any consolation, we’ve all been contaminated with chemicals for a long time.
…
complete strawman but okay
But the microplastics don’t get from your clothes to your body. They instead contaminate the environment and get into the water supply, and the biggest sources of microplastic pollution is road traffic (tires and asphalt abrasion).
brother the "i’m not the biggest source" argument is so worn out. maybe i can drive less, too, or buy long-lasting tires? can i add that on top of my use of fibers which don’t accumulate? it’s like donating $20 to a charity. yeah sure i’m not the biggest donator, but $20 is $20.
Sounds like more of a pet peeve than an actual environmental issue. Doesn’t mean you need to stop driving, but if you’re spending 10 minutes ranting against synthetic fibres but not 100 minutes ranting against road transport, then you’re a hypocrite.
don’t talk my decisions down. i’ve long replaced all the light bulbs in this house with leds, i hang-dry my clothes, i’ve got a water-saving shower head. i’m not ranting against anything, really, but when the topic comes up, i mention how i do it. these are all my personal decisions. a quick search about the microplastics in our lives has now led me down another path. once again i will personally (just me) not use synthetic fibers which accumulate if i can help it. it really doesn’t matter to me what others do or what the transport industry does. i don’t live for others, i live for myself.
You are talking to either a glowie or a NPC stupid.
It’s the same kind who said you should get vaxxed with an unproven mRNA injection and if you didn’t it’s because you don’t "believe in science" and you’re just afraid of a jab. Literal NPC cattle trash.
i had a feeling
seems to only be a single person and the arguments repeat (astronaut/athletes/soldier) all the time, like it’s from a manual or something
You don’t even have arguments except it contributes to pollution to a very small degree and you don’t like how it feels on your skin, even though you’ve never done a blind test to see whether you can tell the difference between synthetic and cotton/wool, which I’m confident you’d fail.
yeah just let me set up a blind test/study/science experiment with a sample size of me to see if i like it or not and to make sure the science is sound, so i can trust it. or i could just test it at a store and realize that i don’t like the feel. again, don’t talk my decisions down. you really need to stop that. it hurts your credibility (put it in your manual).
You’re the one bringing cultural/political issues into this. I’m just saying athletes and the military know what they’re doing, while you still believe JFK Jr will come back from the grave to start arresting pedophiles.
>you still believe JFK Jr will come back
textbook strawman
Think about it: if you really believe some shadowy conspiracy cabal made vaccines that would kill obedient sheeple and leave the least trusting and most independent populations alive, are your other opinions worth considering seriously?
heck off already, glowie.
>Antisemitic point of no return
There you go revealing yourself, you cancer. Go off yourself.
Humans are also really smart at reducing costs, ergo synthetic fabrics.
>Basically in every case where performance is important and marketing is not involved, synthetics are used.
moron we’re talking about a COAT. The only performance that matters is keeping you warm. Why are you so hecking autistic?
>Why do government employees wear synthetics when their uniform suppliers are picked based on the lowest bid
Jeez I don’t know, it’s not like military equipment is actually cheap shit that just gets replaced constantly.
Polyamide is usually used to strengthen the garment. Coarse, virgin wool of a decent thickness has no need for that, so the polyamide content might suggest recycled wool (bad), very fine wool (matter of taste), thin fabric (dito). Check for those.
Overblown. Most microplastic does not come from clothes. Neither in nature and rivers, nor in your body. If the polyamide content is for strengthening, it is likely a thick fiber that doesn’t shed much microplastic either. If you don’t wear it in small rooms or cars, it’s even less of an issue.
If you put gorilla glue on your hair, it will be 100% waterproof, it doesn’t mean it’s good for you.
The argument with the shoes is that glue is not good enough. I’m saying if glue technology is advanced enough to withstand 80Gs and 6000 degree temps, it’s good enough for your larpy work boots.
>End every Arctic/Antarctic explorer and mountaineer, they all wear basically 100% polyester.
some of them do use merino wool for underlayers
>Every athlete
>End every Arctic/Antarctic explorer
>Astronaut garments
Therefore
>Polyester is superior for basically everything.
Your argument is stupid. OP is buying a coat not a space suit. Polyester looks, feels and breathes horribly you’re just being a contrarian
>Polyester looks, feels and breathes horribly you’re just being a contrarian
if it feels and breathes horribly, why is it used when performance is a priority and where marketing isn’t involved?
My point anon is that you’re forgetting that OP isn’t buying a space suit. I’m not denying that plastics make better protective gear. OP is buying a coat that will be worn outside for 30 minutes at a time. You sperging out about ultra high performance space suits is not helping. If we’re on the subject of plastics the where the heck is my dyneema coat? heck your b***h ass weak polyester
A soccer or basketball jersey isn’t "protective gear". Guys move around and sweat in it. If you’re claiming a coat with 30% polyester is inferior to a coat without polyester, you better have some solid verifiable arguments otherwise you’re just falling for the gaygiest version of broscience.
I don’t care about basketball jerseys anon. The only reason they use those is because they don’t get soaked and the color can be bright. What exactly do you want to do with a 30% poly coat that a 100% wool coat doesn’t do? All materials have an application. You need to justify why that material is justified for that application. Polyester doesn’t breath and feels worse objectively. So what property do you get that’s worth the tradeoff in a coat that is to be worn for 30 minutes at a time?
By your logic carbon fiber is better than wool therefore adding more carbon fiber is better. Maybe you should stop appealing to authority and start thinking for yourself
You’re the one claiming polyester is bad in a coat. I think it doesn’t really matter one way or the other.
>Polyester doesn’t breath
Is that why athletes and soldiers wear it?
>feels worse objectively
>feels
>objectively
You need to think this through.
>Is that why athletes and soldiers wear it?
try not making a claim to authority and try again
Athletes and soldiers wear the plastic stuff because, in their case, it’s one of the two purposes i might have – workwear which is subjected to harsh use and is durable enough to withstand it. That, and a cheap substitute for winter outerwear, because we can’t afford the goose down stuff. OP is buying anl coat for daily, casual wearing, therefore, plastic is not fit for purpose. It doesn’t keep warm or breathe, not windproof either (unless impregnated or literal linoleum).
And yet firefighters wear wool. Also traditionally outdoorsmen wore wool, it seems like you’re stupid.
100% wool or bust
It’s going to be a expensive and heavy but believe me you‘ll be disappointed quality wise with anything else. The color fades, the coat might fall apart, it doesn‘t insulate well, these little wool mice form on the outside making the coat look kind of shabby.
im sorry but this kind of coat is the fedora of outerwear.
go outside for once anon
nearly every adult male wears a coat like this
>lining: 100% polyester
why is this hecking board so full of autists and stupids, talking every single thing in extremes always
Anyone who know anything has left, this board has no mods and the jannies are literal trannies who will ban you for saying moron
Better than 100% wool, the 20% nylon is for durability and not cost cutting (that would be 50/50 mixes). It’s the last step in pricepoint before you get to luxurious 100% cashmere coats that are not made for wearing often
Also, a 80/20 coat will be less prone to piling than the 100% wools. But hey, what do the gays on here even know, the only wool coat fits you see here look terrible&fedora-tier as that greatcoat thread atm.
>see the world POLYESTER in catalog
>rush in to endlessly shit up thread until it does
every time
Its its not 100% wool i wouldn’t pay more than $120 for it. You can get Vietnamese shit that is 100% wool and if you can’t tell by feel you need to leave
>he would rather take a shit made coat that says 100% shit wool on the tag than a well made one with 20 or 10% poly.
The epitome of what is wrong with you NATURAL FIBER obsessed mongoloids.
If you cant tell real wool from synthetic and synthetic blends by looking at it and feeling it then you are a poor gay. And yes I would rather have better made beter material stuff made in none american countries than over priced boutique shit that is walmart quality
If you think a shitty viet sweatshop coat is better than a well made blended one simply because its 100% wool, you are clueless. Not much to discuss.
There’s no real reason for a simple coat to have plastic in it.
Why are you changing the subject.
How did he change the subject? You are arguing to pay more money for an inferior product.
There is you stupid, multiple high end brands use 80/20 or 90/10 blends for durability. There’s 1k blend coats
>> why yes I would like gold plated hebrewelry made in america over cheaper 24k gold hebrewelry made in another country.
The ameircan auto industry still has never come back 100% from the 70s but stupids like you still think america number 1
>Coping with bad apples to oranges comparisons
How is that hecking apples to oranges? Its more like nice apples from the next town over shipped to your market vs rotten butt apples grown by the local town drunk who charges 5 times and gets away with it because the community feels bad for him. I’m not saying made in america is bad but a lot of those brands charge premiums for shit
>Unhinged blogpost
Didn’t read.
But by calling it unhinged you must have read a little or not either way you are stupid. Why have so many American car brands died since the 80s?
Enjoy your shitty walmart select beef while I eat wagyu and kobe because I select quality instead brand and country
Ignoring the fabric content (this was likely bait to make people argue about synthetics), don’t buy a beige wool coat. It’s getting so boring– every millennial and gen X person has one and it’s always boring and ugly.
Beige coat, white sneakers, turtleneck; copy-pasted again and again.
It doesn’t matter if you wear it with something else; it’ll still look bad.
If you want to maximize your chances of having sex (which, if your sex drive is functioning properly, should be a top consideration), you need to look like a well adjusted guy at least. That means if guys who are hecking are wearing beige wool coats, so should you. If they have broccoli haircuts, so should you. If they’re becoming femboys, so should you.
Don’t be looking like some weirdo who doesn’t fit it. By the time you realize it’s a bad strategy, you’ll be too old and tight teen (over the age of consent, heck you feds) pussy will be off limits forever!
virgin hands typed this
joke’s on you, my fingers are the only part of me that have been immersed in a pussy
it’s almost exactly like that flesh under your tongue, I keep replaying the feeling in my head
once I get a beige wool coat, maybe I’ll get to experience it again
To recap:
polyester in clothes is a good thing. Synthetics used whereever performance is an issue. It’s clearly superior for every kind of physical activity, as evidenced by every single sports garment being synthetic. It’s also used in military uniforms, again for performance.
The only reason you’d want to use 100% wool or cotton is for marketing reasons, to appeal to simpleminded plebes who know nothing about fabric.
If anyone disagrees, they’re welcome to come to my gym and square up and I’ll turn pummel them into beta male goo, again with my synthetic sparring gloves.
You synth over 10% natural fabrics gays probably eat at McDonald’s.
>>hurr durr beef like filler is tastier than 100% angus
If top athletes and special forces were eating beef like filler instead of 100% angus, I’d think about why.
>MUH DURABILTY
>I JUST HAVE TO POISON THE PLANET FOREVER BECAUSE IM A FATASS THAT HAS NO IDEA ON HOW TO TAKE CARE OR REPAIR ANYTHING
A good 100% wollcoat can last you decades or even a lifetime if you know how to take care of. The only problem is, that you might have to deal with moths.
Plastics are pure poison for you, your hormones and the enviroment and should be avoided whenever possible. Also natural fibers feel and look better.
I have a wool coat that is over 40 years old. I would like to see some fast fashion shit last that long
Why though? It’s not a family hairloom, it’s just some old timey coat. Imagine treating your clothes like they’re relics.
I mean it is kind of an heirloom since it’s the coat my dad wore in college and why throw it away when its better than every coat I have ever bought?
Thats pretty easy to imagine bro.
thats a really nice looking coat anon. Oldest clothing item I own is a tweed jacket from the 70s
stupid mentality. People not caring about quality anymore and just buying the latest chink shit that will break down after a few years or months disgust me. I recently moved into a bigger flat and bought some antique furniture items. Sure, they have some minor damages, but overall still look amazing and will last another hundred years if i treat them right. Pic related is an old desk I got for example. Better than every trash you could buy at ikea
Thats not the actual coat but the closest I could find it looks like
>Pic related is an old desk I got for example. Better than every trash you could buy at ikea
Better at what? At being a heavy and expensive fixture in your house? It’s a desk, it’s purpose is to provide a flat horizontal surface, not to tie you down and be a burden in case you want to live somewhere else.
Heavy is good gay. Enjoy your plywood desk in your plywood house
anyone else tired of these dogmatic cotton fundamentalists? they’re so insufferable
no , coats like these are really hard to style, they might not even fit right if your buying it online, they are very expensive. its a really difficult color and it’s also a style of jacket that is out of style right now.
Definite no bruh that’s an ugly ass coat
Reminder to everyone ITT that you’re a stupid for not but clothes that are at least 5% steel wires.
>bubububut I don’t like synthetics!
steel is used by every bridge and building. You really going to tell me that bridges are wrong? It’s stronger than wool and NOT a cost cutting measure even though iron is one of the most abundant resources. Steel will add strength which you need wheel you use your coat to pull a trailer stuck in the mud.
Steel is used everywhere performance matters. Lets see wool hold ups hundreds of cars on a bridge at once
This thread is an absolute shitshow.
Save up some money for a wool-cashmere mix, Polyamide is cheap trash