>you can’t express your individual creativity! That’s RUDE! you have to be an NPC!!
Lmao
Post fit
Not yours, the one that mogged you
do you know where you are nigga
> it is considered a major turning point in the history of clothing in which the men …"abandoned their claim to be considered beautiful" and "henceforth aimed at being only useful"… clothing that signaled aristocratic status fell out of style in favor of functional, utilitarian garments. The newfound practicality of men’s clothing also coincided with the articulation of the idea that men were rational and that women were frivolous and emotional… wealthy Western men stopped using bright colours, elaborate shapes and variety in their dress, which were left to women’s clothing. Instead, men concentrated on minute differences of cut, and the quality of the plain cloth.
> In a gentleman’s dress any attempt to be conspicuous is in excessively bad taste. If you are wealthy, let the luxury of your dress consist in the fine quality of each article, and in the spotless purity of gloves and linen, but never wear much hebrewelry or any article conspicuous on account of its money value. Simplicity should always preside over the gentleman’s wardrobe.
> Follow fashion as far as is necessary to avoid eccentricity or oddity in your costume, but avoid the extreme of the prevailing mode. If coats are worn long, yours need not sweep the ground, if they are loose, yours may still have some fitness for your figure; if pantaloons are cut large over the boot, yours need not cover the whole foot, if they are tight, you may still take room to walk. Above all, let your figure and style of face have some weight in deciding how far you are to follow fashion.
;tldr, it you are trying to be a gentleman, you wouldnt wear anything in their videos as it is all ungentlemanly and also rude to wear anything that your peers are not wearing, your clothes are simply to be made out of the best material and cut to the best fit
>Conformity to such rules and social norms is driven by a desire to gain social acceptance and status (see Cialdini and Goldstein 2004) and avoid negative sanctions such as social disapproval, ridicule, and exclusion (Kruglanski and Webster 1991; Levine 1989; Miller and Anderson 1979; Schachter 1951). In the present research, we propose that under certain conditions, nonconforming behaviors can be more beneficial than efforts to conform and can signal higher status and competence to others. We argue that while unintentional violations of normative codes and etiquette can indeed result in negative inferences and attributions, when the deviant behavior appears to be deliberate, it can lead to higher rather than lower status and competence inferences.
How is being beholden to what others think of you and not dressing how you want as a result NOT a slave mentality? you are saying this proposition: >if i am concerned what others think of me and as a result don’t do what i want, then i am free
Anyone with any sense knows this proposition makes no sense, but this one does: >If i am concerned with what others think of me, then i am beholden to them and a slave
Slavery is not just a physical phenomena, there is mental slavery, an insidious slavery forced on people from young age in so called ”free” societies, you are such a result of this mental slavery. If you don’t express yourself how you want to because of what society or individuals may think, then you are a slave, this is simple logic.
Even a king who is overly concerned about what others may think is a slave, it has nothing to do with social class and everything to do with mental states.
didnt read all that but being a gentleman isnt slave mentality because you are doing the noble thing because you can, because you have the power to because you do not live under a sarcity mentality and dont have the personality flaws that cause you to want to appear better than others even though you are. A slave has no choice, but the gentleman had all the money and power to flex on poors but doesnt because he doesnt have a flawed personality and wishes to make everyone else comfortable in his presence as a mark of class and the fine breeding he is a product of
Anonymous says:
>didnt read all that
Thank you for exposing your ignorance. >gentleman isnt slave mentality because you are doing the noble thing because you can
Yes it is, because you are concerned what others think of you, that is literally a slave mentality. >A slave has no choice
Everybody, at every moment of their lives has a choice, it’s just that most people give up their choice for external things, such as social approval, your faculty of choice is the ONLY thing what is yours, and you are the only person who can hinder it.
I don’t know why this is so difficult to understand, the moment you given up your faculty of choice for external things, you become a slave. >make everyone else comfortable in his presence
This again show concern for what others think, therefore he is a slave to them.
Anonymous says:
>no just aristocratic
Philosophers over two thousand years ago were going on about how the richest and most powerful were actually the biggest slaves, to their wealth, power, desires, reputation, social approval and all the rest, and they were correct.
How is being beholden to what others think of you and not dressing how you want as a result NOT a slave mentality? you are saying this proposition: >if i am concerned what others think of me and as a result don’t do what i want, then i am free
Anyone with any sense knows this proposition makes no sense, but this one does: >If i am concerned with what others think of me, then i am beholden to them and a slave
Slavery is not just a physical phenomena, there is mental slavery, an insidious slavery forced on people from young age in so called ”free” societies, you are such a result of this mental slavery. If you don’t express yourself how you want to because of what society or individuals may think, then you are a slave, this is simple logic.
Even a king who is overly concerned about what others may think is a slave, it has nothing to do with social class and everything to do with mental states.
>mental slavery
What you’re describing is culture and society. The rules the vast majority subscribe to are what eventually become traditions if enough generations fall for them. Calling it slavery makes it sound bad, but it can have moments of encouraging good behavior and ethics as well. A mixed bag, as are most things.
Anonymous says:
>good behavior and ethics as well
None of these have anything to do with being a slave to societal ”norms” and everything to do with natural preconceptions, you can not follow mainstream society and still be a good person, our society in fact creates evil people considering it places external things such as wealth, status, reputation above inner goodness and virtue, people literally murder others for petty things such as money.
I’m not saying this is just a symptom of capitalist industrial society either, socialism is just as guilty and places supreme value in external things, and the ancient Greeks were just as guilty. Human beings were never meant to live in such societies, we still have a tribal brain, that is why in every society on earth there is discontent. Human beings really only need the bare minimum in reality to be content.
not every sportcoat needs patch pockets and also you can wear mismatched suit jackets and trousers
the problem is when you try wearing them with casual pants
his fits only work on his roided up physique, dude is legit built like a NFL tight end.
If you take a look at his customers’ pics they all look like awkward gays who stepped out of a time machine.
Truth is, bespoke tailoring should compliment the customer’s strengths and hide his flaws, that’s the whole point, whereas this dude is trying to impose his personal style that happens to be extremely unflattering and outdated on 99% of the people out there.
Source: italian born and raised who often commissions bespoke garments to local tailors.
that being said, he’s right about the fact that, as a general rule of thumb, trousers should be wider (carrot fits are clownish) and jackets longer but that’s about it.
His Instagram is hilarious,most of the comments are along the lines of ‘ yo dawg your jacket too long senpai’ and he responds with ‘ NO SIR THIS IS THE PERFECT LENGTH ‘
This being said his stuff is way to over the top for most people , everything is wide and very structured.
If you want to push menswear something like what Drake’s does is whats more popular a more loose and unstructured approach
>nah… see hyuh! We always done been part of yo culcha since dat stone age, bruddah! Back in dem 1920s we wuz in wall streef wearin dem fiiiiiine bespoke suits!!! Fact, Winston Churchill be a bruddah, dintchaknow!
No. They’ve all failed
Gentleman’s Gazette is an absolute joke. This guy is boring. Parisian Gentlemen is the best of all these but they failed too
Face it, suits are dead and will NEVER come back
He looks just as bad as GG.
I’ll start believing in then return of dapper clothes once I see one of these influencers not look like absolute shit wearing them.
>You guys keep saying that the suits only work on him
No. I’m and I say the suits don’t work on him. >you’re just angry at a Black entrepreneur.
I’m not angry. I just think he looks like shit. Just like the three GG guys.
garbage fit
whoever this nobody asshole is he doesn’t understand fit or fashion in the last
looks like some loser extra from a crap amazon series nobody watched
Trying to resurrect style from the 40s and 50s exactly as it was back then will always fail, because you just end up looking like a walking anachronism.
>will always fail
What do you mean by ”fail”? a person enjoys wearing these clothes, and thinks he himself thinks he looks nice wearing them, then how has such a person failed? the person is resurrecting the style for himself.
Or are you one of those unfortunates who believes everyone should blend in like some inconspicuous blob?. >because you just end up looking like a walking anachronism
And this matters because?.
>And this matters because?
It looks ridiculous and people literally think that you are a homeless person that just put on some out of date donated crap. No, I’m sorry but OP’s no name youtuber is a clown and is destined to fail miserably at his feeble attempt at a "fashion" vlog.
>Other people may think so and so you shouldn’t dress how you want to dress
Literal slave mindset because you are giving up your own choice for something what doesn’t even belong to do, that is other peoples thoughts.
Clothing is self-expression, and like in any other interaction it takes two to tango. Just as saying "be yourself" doesn’t mean "complain about how much your life sucks and you hate everyone," "dress how you like" also includes "within general societal expectations to avoid extreme blowback." If you’re fine with people thinking you look homeless, then go ahead, but you have to accept that it will likely happen and you will have to deal with the consequences. We don’t get to ignore consequences by pretending they don’t exist.
Anonymous says:
>complain about how much your life sucks and you hate everyone
When did i say i do that? that’s you putting words in my mouth. >within general societal expectations to avoid extreme blowback
That’s not dressing how you like then, seeing as you are dressing within the bounds set by others, that is you are terrified what complete strangers may think of you. >If you’re fine with people thinking you look homeless, then go ahead
Yes, because other peoples thoughts are theirs and belong to them, not mine and don’t belong to me. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? >you will have to deal with the consequence
What consequence? filtering out small minded idiots and making friends with people who are more open minded? why is filtering out small minded people a bad thing?
I have dressed as i want for over 20 years, probably longer than you have been alive, i don’t regret it for a second and i have met people along the way who are worth keeping as friends, worthy people will actually respect you if you have the confidence to stand out.
Anonymous says:
I didn’t say you do that, I was using it as an analogy because many people do things like that.
If your desires are influenced by others, they are still your desires. Otherwise we might as well say that the vast majority of desires aren’t real, which isn’t particularly helpful when talking about what people want.
I don’t care about other people’s thoughts, only their actions.
Trying to dress better or different from your male peers is rude and ungentlemanly so all these gays will fail
quit it with that crab-bucket shit
> it is considered a major turning point in the history of clothing in which the men …"abandoned their claim to be considered beautiful" and "henceforth aimed at being only useful"… clothing that signaled aristocratic status fell out of style in favor of functional, utilitarian garments. The newfound practicality of men’s clothing also coincided with the articulation of the idea that men were rational and that women were frivolous and emotional… wealthy Western men stopped using bright colours, elaborate shapes and variety in their dress, which were left to women’s clothing. Instead, men concentrated on minute differences of cut, and the quality of the plain cloth.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Male_Renunciation
> In a gentleman’s dress any attempt to be conspicuous is in excessively bad taste. If you are wealthy, let the luxury of your dress consist in the fine quality of each article, and in the spotless purity of gloves and linen, but never wear much hebrewelry or any article conspicuous on account of its money value. Simplicity should always preside over the gentleman’s wardrobe.
> Follow fashion as far as is necessary to avoid eccentricity or oddity in your costume, but avoid the extreme of the prevailing mode. If coats are worn long, yours need not sweep the ground, if they are loose, yours may still have some fitness for your figure; if pantaloons are cut large over the boot, yours need not cover the whole foot, if they are tight, you may still take room to walk. Above all, let your figure and style of face have some weight in deciding how far you are to follow fashion.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/39293/39293-h/39293-h.htm
;tldr, it you are trying to be a gentleman, you wouldnt wear anything in their videos as it is all ungentlemanly and also rude to wear anything that your peers are not wearing, your clothes are simply to be made out of the best material and cut to the best fit
>blah blah blah great male renunciation
the difference is todays fashion is hecking shit and not worth following
You dont have to do anything, my point in that calling yourself a gentleman whilst acting ungentlemanly is the reason they fail and will always fail
Interesting, but I’m not renouncing shit and walking around like an uptight protestant with a stick up his ass.
https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication%20Files/The%20Red%20Sneakers%20Effect%202014_4657b733-84f0-4ed6-a441-d401bbbac19d.pdf
>Conformity to such rules and social norms is driven by a desire to gain social acceptance and status (see Cialdini and Goldstein 2004) and avoid negative sanctions such as social disapproval, ridicule, and exclusion (Kruglanski and Webster 1991; Levine 1989; Miller and Anderson 1979; Schachter 1951). In the present research, we propose that under certain conditions, nonconforming behaviors can be more beneficial than efforts to conform and can signal higher status and competence to others. We argue that while unintentional violations of normative codes and etiquette can indeed result in negative inferences and attributions, when the deviant behavior appears to be deliberate, it can lead to higher rather than lower status and competence inferences.
>you can’t express your individual creativity! That’s RUDE! you have to be an NPC!!
Lmao
Post fit
Not yours, the one that mogged you
do you know where you are nigga
Slave mentality.
It’s actually the exact opposite: aristocratic mentality
Aristocratic slave mentality*
no just aristocratic
didnt read all that but being a gentleman isnt slave mentality because you are doing the noble thing because you can, because you have the power to because you do not live under a sarcity mentality and dont have the personality flaws that cause you to want to appear better than others even though you are. A slave has no choice, but the gentleman had all the money and power to flex on poors but doesnt because he doesnt have a flawed personality and wishes to make everyone else comfortable in his presence as a mark of class and the fine breeding he is a product of
>didnt read all that
Thank you for exposing your ignorance.
>gentleman isnt slave mentality because you are doing the noble thing because you can
Yes it is, because you are concerned what others think of you, that is literally a slave mentality.
>A slave has no choice
Everybody, at every moment of their lives has a choice, it’s just that most people give up their choice for external things, such as social approval, your faculty of choice is the ONLY thing what is yours, and you are the only person who can hinder it.
I don’t know why this is so difficult to understand, the moment you given up your faculty of choice for external things, you become a slave.
>make everyone else comfortable in his presence
This again show concern for what others think, therefore he is a slave to them.
>no just aristocratic
Philosophers over two thousand years ago were going on about how the richest and most powerful were actually the biggest slaves, to their wealth, power, desires, reputation, social approval and all the rest, and they were correct.
I’m a heckling aristocrat,I’m kino I’m PATRICIAN
How is being beholden to what others think of you and not dressing how you want as a result NOT a slave mentality? you are saying this proposition:
>if i am concerned what others think of me and as a result don’t do what i want, then i am free
Anyone with any sense knows this proposition makes no sense, but this one does:
>If i am concerned with what others think of me, then i am beholden to them and a slave
Slavery is not just a physical phenomena, there is mental slavery, an insidious slavery forced on people from young age in so called ”free” societies, you are such a result of this mental slavery. If you don’t express yourself how you want to because of what society or individuals may think, then you are a slave, this is simple logic.
Even a king who is overly concerned about what others may think is a slave, it has nothing to do with social class and everything to do with mental states.
>mental slavery
What you’re describing is culture and society. The rules the vast majority subscribe to are what eventually become traditions if enough generations fall for them. Calling it slavery makes it sound bad, but it can have moments of encouraging good behavior and ethics as well. A mixed bag, as are most things.
>good behavior and ethics as well
None of these have anything to do with being a slave to societal ”norms” and everything to do with natural preconceptions, you can not follow mainstream society and still be a good person, our society in fact creates evil people considering it places external things such as wealth, status, reputation above inner goodness and virtue, people literally murder others for petty things such as money.
I’m not saying this is just a symptom of capitalist industrial society either, socialism is just as guilty and places supreme value in external things, and the ancient Greeks were just as guilty. Human beings were never meant to live in such societies, we still have a tribal brain, that is why in every society on earth there is discontent. Human beings really only need the bare minimum in reality to be content.
I like both him and GG
He looks like the gaymaster general.
>Flap pockets
>Not patch pockets
>No pattern on the coat
>Buttons that blend in
>Slim fit pulling at the button
I refuse to take advice from a Black wearing an orphaned suit jacket instead of a proper sport coat.
not every sportcoat needs patch pockets and also you can wear mismatched suit jackets and trousers
the problem is when you try wearing them with casual pants
hmmm… lemme see… need a closer look… oh.
anon, you seem to have posted a moron.
He looks ridiculous
Trousers covering 2/3rds of the shoe?
Nigga I paid 600€ for these shoes, I’m showing them off
Gayest post ITT.
also
>nigga
his fits only work on his roided up physique, dude is legit built like a NFL tight end.
If you take a look at his customers’ pics they all look like awkward gays who stepped out of a time machine.
Truth is, bespoke tailoring should compliment the customer’s strengths and hide his flaws, that’s the whole point, whereas this dude is trying to impose his personal style that happens to be extremely unflattering and outdated on 99% of the people out there.
Source: italian born and raised who often commissions bespoke garments to local tailors.
that being said, he’s right about the fact that, as a general rule of thumb, trousers should be wider (carrot fits are clownish) and jackets longer but that’s about it.
>roided up physique
Jesus, /fashion/ really is full of thinspo dyels
yeah no, dude is pushing 50.
lol
lmao even
ain’t no way
>pants up to his elbows
>"waistline is still too low"
there always has to be that guy lol
He’s the only one who’s been able to pull of these suits, all of his customers and the droopy faced old Bong all look ridiculous
Good Morning sars!
this guy is also short
hes literally in a black void nigga he could be 6’4
the awful proportions make him look short, if he is its worsening the problem
His suits are based, but you have to be tall and fit to pull it off.
But he’s right, if you’re muscular you have no business wearing something tight and restrictive designed by Gisippi for a 145 pound man.
I’m the 145 pound man…
His Instagram is hilarious,most of the comments are along the lines of ‘ yo dawg your jacket too long senpai’ and he responds with ‘ NO SIR THIS IS THE PERFECT LENGTH ‘
This being said his stuff is way to over the top for most people , everything is wide and very structured.
If you want to push menswear something like what Drake’s does is whats more popular a more loose and unstructured approach
>nah… see hyuh! We always done been part of yo culcha since dat stone age, bruddah! Back in dem 1920s we wuz in wall streef wearin dem fiiiiiine bespoke suits!!! Fact, Winston Churchill be a bruddah, dintchaknow!
he has his own style which i respect, but the baggy fit isn’t it for me.
No. They’ve all failed
Gentleman’s Gazette is an absolute joke. This guy is boring. Parisian Gentlemen is the best of all these but they failed too
Face it, suits are dead and will NEVER come back
I dress for success everyday.
Nothing wrong with that.
Necrobump
He looks just as bad as GG.
I’ll start believing in then return of dapper clothes once I see one of these influencers not look like absolute shit wearing them.
>You guys keep saying that the suits only work on him
No. I’m and I say the suits don’t work on him.
>you’re just angry at a Black entrepreneur.
I’m not angry. I just think he looks like shit. Just like the three GG guys.
garbage fit
whoever this nobody asshole is he doesn’t understand fit or fashion in the last
looks like some loser extra from a crap amazon series nobody watched
Yeah I’m pretty sure the devil dresses somebody up to deceive something or something. I have severe schizophrenia.
Nigga looks mad mango.
Trying to resurrect style from the 40s and 50s exactly as it was back then will always fail, because you just end up looking like a walking anachronism.
>will always fail
What do you mean by ”fail”? a person enjoys wearing these clothes, and thinks he himself thinks he looks nice wearing them, then how has such a person failed? the person is resurrecting the style for himself.
Or are you one of those unfortunates who believes everyone should blend in like some inconspicuous blob?.
>because you just end up looking like a walking anachronism
And this matters because?.
>And this matters because?
It looks ridiculous and people literally think that you are a homeless person that just put on some out of date donated crap. No, I’m sorry but OP’s no name youtuber is a clown and is destined to fail miserably at his feeble attempt at a "fashion" vlog.
>Other people may think so and so you shouldn’t dress how you want to dress
Literal slave mindset because you are giving up your own choice for something what doesn’t even belong to do, that is other peoples thoughts.
>belong to do
belong to you*
Clothing is self-expression, and like in any other interaction it takes two to tango. Just as saying "be yourself" doesn’t mean "complain about how much your life sucks and you hate everyone," "dress how you like" also includes "within general societal expectations to avoid extreme blowback." If you’re fine with people thinking you look homeless, then go ahead, but you have to accept that it will likely happen and you will have to deal with the consequences. We don’t get to ignore consequences by pretending they don’t exist.
>complain about how much your life sucks and you hate everyone
When did i say i do that? that’s you putting words in my mouth.
>within general societal expectations to avoid extreme blowback
That’s not dressing how you like then, seeing as you are dressing within the bounds set by others, that is you are terrified what complete strangers may think of you.
>If you’re fine with people thinking you look homeless, then go ahead
Yes, because other peoples thoughts are theirs and belong to them, not mine and don’t belong to me. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
>you will have to deal with the consequence
What consequence? filtering out small minded idiots and making friends with people who are more open minded? why is filtering out small minded people a bad thing?
I have dressed as i want for over 20 years, probably longer than you have been alive, i don’t regret it for a second and i have met people along the way who are worth keeping as friends, worthy people will actually respect you if you have the confidence to stand out.
I didn’t say you do that, I was using it as an analogy because many people do things like that.
If your desires are influenced by others, they are still your desires. Otherwise we might as well say that the vast majority of desires aren’t real, which isn’t particularly helpful when talking about what people want.
I don’t care about other people’s thoughts, only their actions.