>How feminine is your face
People told me I have andro/masc face. I have male eyebrow pattern and masculine jaw. >How feminine is your body?
Really femmine. But I can hide it I guess? >Chances are you’ll just look like a dyke
I hope that doesn’t happen.
Delusions
There is obviously some "odds" but looks male enough. You cannot look at this person and think "that’s a 100% femmine woman!".
Anyways this isn’t connected to my op. Let’s not jump from the original question.
Hecking manly I can’t wait to look like that.
it’s not just some odds
men are made to love women and we do
no amount of clothes will change that unless you cover every inch of your skin
if you can’t hide your face completely, you’ll never pass
>How feminine is your face
People told me I have andro/masc face. I have male eyebrow pattern and masculine jaw. >How feminine is your body?
Really femmine. But I can hide it I guess? >Chances are you’ll just look like a dyke
I hope that doesn’t happen.
There is obviously some "odds" but looks male enough. You cannot look at this person and think "that’s a 100% femmine woman!".
Anyways this isn’t connected to my op. Let’s not jump from the original question.
it’s not just some odds
men are made to love women and we do
no amount of clothes will change that unless you cover every inch of your skin
if you can’t hide your face completely, you’ll never pass
Anonymous says:
>men are made to love women and we do
False. No one is made to do anything to satisfy others. That’s what morons do. >no amount of clothes will change that unless you cover every inch of your skin
No amount of clothes will change that men are made to love women? Huh? >if you can’t hide your face completely, you’ll never pass
I already have masc/andro face and people used to think I was a boy before.
My body is femmine, cannot lie, but I can always cover it with clothes.
Anonymous says:
You’re telling me you’d heck pic related’s mussy? >doubt
Anonymous says:
>If you wouldn’t heck an FTM tranny, that’s an admission that she’s a real man!
This is a stupid argument, because there are plenty of manly-looking (or otherwise ugly) cis women that I wouldn’t heck either. That obviously doesn’t make them men.
Anonymous says:
He looks like a manlet to me not a man. Learning the difference could save your life.
due to the proliferation of women wearing workwear, """tomboys""", butch women being butch, and non-passing pooners, you can’t. "dressing like a man" has lost all meaning since all of """men’s""" clothing is now unisex anyways. the spectrum for acceptable styles of dress for women veers so much into the masculine end that your clothing wont be able to make you pass as a man, if you do pass, its due to your own physical traits
>clothing is now unisex anyways
So it’s just me having brainworms again.
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Cry harder lmao
https://i.imgur.com/unvyEk1.jpeg
swim shorts and nothing else
>swim shorts and nothing else
Basically impossible right now because I didn’t have top surgery yet
https://i.imgur.com/o57q6fI.jpeg
Wolf T-shirts, fedoras, cargo shorts, birkenstocks. There will be no mistaking you for a woman at all.
2016 fit
Men have longer torsos
On top of that most men wear pants that go to their hips not their waist
They also wear well fitting shirts and not whatever lose thing you have going on
They don’t paint their nails
Most men I know don’t wear white shoes, try black or brown
You’re trying too hard with your posture
The key to passing as a man is to be utilitarian
>They don’t paint their nails
Neither do I
Thanks for tips ig
OP said pass as a man
women can never hope to pass as anything but a teenage boy
>women can never hope to pass as anything but a teenage boy
I’m not complaining, good enough
Men have longer torsos
On top of that most men wear pants that go to their hips not their waist
They also wear well fitting shirts and not whatever lose thing you have going on
They don’t paint their nails
Most men I know don’t wear white shoes, try black or brown
You’re trying too hard with your posture
The key to passing as a man is to be utilitarian
>Embrace being a femboy
Femboy? Absolutely no. What’s the point of trying to appear male just to end up effeminate as heck.
Most lesbian outfit ever.
That’s a cis man.
You’re on the right track with the image you posted. You want clothes that will basically fake a V shape in your torso while simultaneously hiding your tits, hips and ass. This will be tricky and honestly nearly impossible if you have an actual feminine body.
First, bind your tits as much as you can. You want to be as flat as possible. For pants, something loose but not as flowy as OPs pic, that reads feminine or gay. Go on eBay and look up old Ralph Lauren "Andrew" or "Hammond" trousers. They’re high rise, loose in the thigh and calf without being flowly or billowing. For the shirt, get a button up shirt and put darts in or buy a slim fit that has room in the shoulders but tapers at the waist to give your torso that upside down V shape. Heavy fabrics or fabrics with texture are your friend here. Oxford cloth, flannel, corduroy, rough linen, etc. If it looks smooth, silky, etc, ditch it. If you can, find a sport coat with a structured shoulder that basically creates a stronger shoulder for you. Again, have it tailored to come in at the waist and give the V. Get shoes with some hefty and bulk, boots, wingtips, etc.
If it all works, you’ll have a wider shoulder in a more masculine shape, a torso that tapers to the waist, and then pants that don’t cling to your hips and ass.
However I have to be realistic: Men’s and women’s bodies are obviously and visibly very different, same with posture and gait. At the very best you may come across as androgynous not manly, think David Bowie. And that illusion may shatter when you start talking to someone, not just due to voice but mannerisms like body movements, how your hands move when you talk, etc. I don’t want you to think there’s a perfect fix.
Also look up women’s styles from the 1920s and 1930s, especially Chanel. Sounds batshit now but back then there was a push due to sufferage for women’s clothing to be more masculine, they started wearing sport coats, ties, trousers, etc. It may help.
>This will be tricky and honestly nearly impossible if you have an actual feminine body.
I know I should hit gym >Oxford cloth, flannel, corduroy, rough linen, etc
Based >At the very best you may come across as androgynous not manly, think David Bowie.
I wouldn’t mind looking like Bowie. He’s legend. >And that illusion may shatter when you start talking to someone, not just due to voice but mannerisms like body movements, how your hands move when you talk, etc.
Oh yeah I already know about this dw
Thanks for help anon, have a nice day
[…] >I was just asking about male "fashion" becuse its more limited than female
this is…kind of a misconception, but i’m sure you know this. what style do you find yourself gravitating towards in general? there is no specific style that will make you ‘manly’ as has been said
prep for instance is a fairly unisex style, but you have to be careful you don’t look like every other lesbian in ill fitting chinos and a button down.
There is obviously more effeminate and masculine style.
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Go cry somewhere else stupid, I don’t have a breathing room here.
>asking about fashion on board made for fashion >Hurr durrr le attention whore
What?
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I don’t want to answer your question because you didn’t answer mine.
Solidarity!
>I know I should hit gym
If you’re serious about going to the gym and doing a body recomp, do it in two phases. Everything that accentuates femininity is more or less fat. Tits, thighs, ass, stomach curve, etc. Eat at a caloric deficit, do a shit load of cardio, maybe some body weight exercises. Once you get down to one step above Auschwitz lean and basically nuke the body parts listed above, still eat lean but up the percentage of protein in your diet, and lift weights. Free weights are king for shoulder development but cables and pull down machines work just fine too. Absolutely blast your arms and shoulders. You’re going to have to watch your weight and probably gain slowly because if you go to surplus, your body will naturally store fat again, and women store fat differently from men. You’re going to have to be smart about it.
Don’t listen to this. You should always maintain/bulk first. NEVER lose weight without eating lots of protein as you’ll lose muscle before fat. Aim for 2-2.5g protein per kg body weight per day if cutting. 1.5-2g if gaining muscle, whether through recomp/maintaining or bulking
You’re on the right track with the image you posted. You want clothes that will basically fake a V shape in your torso while simultaneously hiding your tits, hips and ass. This will be tricky and honestly nearly impossible if you have an actual feminine body.
First, bind your tits as much as you can. You want to be as flat as possible. For pants, something loose but not as flowy as OPs pic, that reads feminine or gay. Go on eBay and look up old Ralph Lauren "Andrew" or "Hammond" trousers. They’re high rise, loose in the thigh and calf without being flowly or billowing. For the shirt, get a button up shirt and put darts in or buy a slim fit that has room in the shoulders but tapers at the waist to give your torso that upside down V shape. Heavy fabrics or fabrics with texture are your friend here. Oxford cloth, flannel, corduroy, rough linen, etc. If it looks smooth, silky, etc, ditch it. If you can, find a sport coat with a structured shoulder that basically creates a stronger shoulder for you. Again, have it tailored to come in at the waist and give the V. Get shoes with some hefty and bulk, boots, wingtips, etc.
If it all works, you’ll have a wider shoulder in a more masculine shape, a torso that tapers to the waist, and then pants that don’t cling to your hips and ass.
However I have to be realistic: Men’s and women’s bodies are obviously and visibly very different, same with posture and gait. At the very best you may come across as androgynous not manly, think David Bowie. And that illusion may shatter when you start talking to someone, not just due to voice but mannerisms like body movements, how your hands move when you talk, etc. I don’t want you to think there’s a perfect fix.
Also look up women’s styles from the 1920s and 1930s, especially Chanel. Sounds batshit now but back then there was a push due to sufferage for women’s clothing to be more masculine, they started wearing sport coats, ties, trousers, etc. It may help.
>I was just asking about male "fashion" becuse its more limited than female
this is…kind of a misconception, but i’m sure you know this. what style do you find yourself gravitating towards in general? there is no specific style that will make you ‘manly’ as has been said
prep for instance is a fairly unisex style, but you have to be careful you don’t look like every other lesbian in ill fitting chinos and a button down.
also i just realized you have to change your mentality a little. wanting to appear manly via clothing is what gets a lot of mtf trannies into trouble by dressing up in what they think is ‘most feminine’. ie you don’t want to walk around looking like a greaser or some shit
>Septum piercing
Basically essential for the modern male >wispy Amish-style beard
don’t worry if it’s patchy, it’s not like you’re trying to looksmax here >Short-sleeved button up with loud pattern
like the sort you’d see on the brass players in a 90s ska band, true masculine icons >Tight jeans
You must have really hit the squat rack for gains like those, show them off! Be sure to tuck the shirt. >Combat or work boots
Don’t worry, the effect won’t be ruined by day-glo color laces.
Also, be sure to accessorize with a wallet chain, padlock necklace, thick hipster glasses, hair dye, and gaudy tattoos! Have fun dood 😉
>implying masculine women don’t exist
the vast majority of masculine women clearly look like women still, and definitely more feminine than the vast majority of femboys
how much time do you spend outside of the house in an average week? >how do I look more masculine
undergo HRT and lose as much of your fat as possible without incurring in health risks, then dirty bulk to taste while lifting to target your core and shoulder mainly
the reason for that is fat distribution is sex specific and one of the main reasons females look female, there’s no way other than HRT to change that
and get a man’s haircut >how do I look more masculine with clothes
wear stuff that’s too wide but the right length, but you’ll still largely look female
>and definitely more feminine than the vast majority of femboys >masculine women >more femmine than femboys
Wrong.
Also yes I know I can’t only pass with mens clothes, I was just asking for advice
Why would you want to look like a man? FtM are very creepy looking, sure pump em full with test and they get muscles and beardgrowth but very creepy looking with soft features and feminine eyes…
When did I say I have soft features and femmine eyes?
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I don’t care
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My partner is ftm, he wears a lot of dark grey/black, loose jeans that don’t show his hips/waist, very male haircut (not lesbian style which most ftm’s seem to do for some reason but just normal guy’s cut) etc. I definitely agree with other anons – skip top surgery if you are at all flat. He was thrilled when he got it, now we’re looking at having kids and he’s sad he can’t breast feed them. If you think there’s any chance you’ll regret it and they’re small enough to hide under baggy clothes, consider it.
Why does he want kids if he’s ftm?
That’s so weird wtf. I guess mpreg fetish?
Why would you want to look like a man? FtM are very creepy looking, sure pump em full with test and they get muscles and beardgrowth but very creepy looking with soft features and feminine eyes…
My partner is ftm, he wears a lot of dark grey/black, loose jeans that don’t show his hips/waist, very male haircut (not lesbian style which most ftm’s seem to do for some reason but just normal guy’s cut) etc. I definitely agree with other anons – skip top surgery if you are at all flat. He was thrilled when he got it, now we’re looking at having kids and he’s sad he can’t breast feed them. If you think there’s any chance you’ll regret it and they’re small enough to hide under baggy clothes, consider it.
>and definitely more feminine than the vast majority of femboys >masculine women >more femmine than femboys
Wrong.
Also yes I know I can’t only pass with mens clothes, I was just asking for advice
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When did I say I have soft features and femmine eyes?
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I don’t care
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Why does he want kids if he’s ftm?
That’s so weird wtf. I guess mpreg fetish?
Right now the current man meta is western wear
Just dress like normal men
Do like Ellen Page, dress as a chav.
>dress as a chav
Would rather die
YWNBAM
How feminine is your face? How feminine is your body? Chances are you’ll just look like a dyke.
>How feminine is your face
People told me I have andro/masc face. I have male eyebrow pattern and masculine jaw.
>How feminine is your body?
Really femmine. But I can hide it I guess?
>Chances are you’ll just look like a dyke
I hope that doesn’t happen.
we can smell you
no girl will ever pass as a man outside of Hollywood fantasy
Delusions
if pic rel looks like a man to you, you’re the delusional one
even males have a hard time passing as men nowadays
There is obviously some "odds" but looks male enough. You cannot look at this person and think "that’s a 100% femmine woman!".
Anyways this isn’t connected to my op. Let’s not jump from the original question.
it’s not just some odds
men are made to love women and we do
no amount of clothes will change that unless you cover every inch of your skin
if you can’t hide your face completely, you’ll never pass
>men are made to love women and we do
False. No one is made to do anything to satisfy others. That’s what morons do.
>no amount of clothes will change that unless you cover every inch of your skin
No amount of clothes will change that men are made to love women? Huh?
>if you can’t hide your face completely, you’ll never pass
I already have masc/andro face and people used to think I was a boy before.
My body is femmine, cannot lie, but I can always cover it with clothes.
You’re telling me you’d heck pic related’s mussy?
>doubt
>If you wouldn’t heck an FTM tranny, that’s an admission that she’s a real man!
This is a stupid argument, because there are plenty of manly-looking (or otherwise ugly) cis women that I wouldn’t heck either. That obviously doesn’t make them men.
He looks like a manlet to me not a man. Learning the difference could save your life.
>manlet
MANLET?
WTF DO MEAN
you gotta be a closet gay whos tryna justify wanting to tap that
Ear gauges, septum rings, wing eyeliner, shitty tattoos everywhere, dr. martins boots, women’s jeans of course, and fingerless fishnet gloves
Hecking manly I can’t wait to look like that.
why did you post that pic? Now I’m hungry that meat looks good asf
don’t forget XL shortsleeve button-up shirts!
god i want some hecking roast beef now
Looks delicious
due to the proliferation of women wearing workwear, """tomboys""", butch women being butch, and non-passing pooners, you can’t. "dressing like a man" has lost all meaning since all of """men’s""" clothing is now unisex anyways. the spectrum for acceptable styles of dress for women veers so much into the masculine end that your clothing wont be able to make you pass as a man, if you do pass, its due to your own physical traits
>clothing is now unisex anyways
So it’s just me having brainworms again.
Cry harder lmao
>swim shorts and nothing else
Basically impossible right now because I didn’t have top surgery yet
2016 fit
>They don’t paint their nails
Neither do I
Thanks for tips ig
>women can never hope to pass as anything but a teenage boy
I’m not complaining, good enough
>top surgery
Oof and gross.
Get over your metaphysics misunderstanding and save some money.
Dissect an apple and find experience. If you don’t get it, you’re too dumb.
How do you except me to go only in swim shorts at beach, with obviously female tits? I think that shit is illegal.
girls do it all the time over here
for once it feels nice to be an yuropoor
do you honestly believe having scars on your tits is any better?
>Cry harder lmao
what is he crying about? arent u the one desperately trying to be something ur not
Why does he care what the heck I’m doing with my life?
YWNBAM
swim shorts and nothing else
OP said pass as a man
women can never hope to pass as anything but a teenage boy
Wolf T-shirts, fedoras, cargo shorts, birkenstocks. There will be no mistaking you for a woman at all.
Men have longer torsos
On top of that most men wear pants that go to their hips not their waist
They also wear well fitting shirts and not whatever lose thing you have going on
They don’t paint their nails
Most men I know don’t wear white shoes, try black or brown
You’re trying too hard with your posture
The key to passing as a man is to be utilitarian
Dress like a wigger. Cargo shorts, no belt, boxers showing, baggy tank tops.
dress like a cholo
> if i want to pass
It won’t happen
Just give up
as everyone else has more or less said, it’s going to be difficult if not impossible by clothing alone. hit the gym and hit the test
whats wrong with your femininity
Clothing doesn’t help with that.
>leave
no. whats wrong with your femininity that you need to abandon it? mental illness?
Not the topic of my own thread, so why should I answer it? You can answer my question in op or leave the thread gay. It’s that easy.
if you can’t even face the question how can you even face yourself in the mirror with your mental illness tearing your sense of self apart?
Whatever you do, don’t do the baggy shorts and sweaters thing. You don’t want to look like Turtle from Entourage. Embrace being a femboy
>Embrace being a femboy
Femboy? Absolutely no. What’s the point of trying to appear male just to end up effeminate as heck.
That’s a cis man.
>This will be tricky and honestly nearly impossible if you have an actual feminine body.
I know I should hit gym
>Oxford cloth, flannel, corduroy, rough linen, etc
Based
>At the very best you may come across as androgynous not manly, think David Bowie.
I wouldn’t mind looking like Bowie. He’s legend.
>And that illusion may shatter when you start talking to someone, not just due to voice but mannerisms like body movements, how your hands move when you talk, etc.
Oh yeah I already know about this dw
Thanks for help anon, have a nice day
There is obviously more effeminate and masculine style.
Go cry somewhere else stupid, I don’t have a breathing room here.
Kys
YWNBAM
>I know I should hit gym
If you’re serious about going to the gym and doing a body recomp, do it in two phases. Everything that accentuates femininity is more or less fat. Tits, thighs, ass, stomach curve, etc. Eat at a caloric deficit, do a shit load of cardio, maybe some body weight exercises. Once you get down to one step above Auschwitz lean and basically nuke the body parts listed above, still eat lean but up the percentage of protein in your diet, and lift weights. Free weights are king for shoulder development but cables and pull down machines work just fine too. Absolutely blast your arms and shoulders. You’re going to have to watch your weight and probably gain slowly because if you go to surplus, your body will naturally store fat again, and women store fat differently from men. You’re going to have to be smart about it.
Don’t listen to this. You should always maintain/bulk first. NEVER lose weight without eating lots of protein as you’ll lose muscle before fat. Aim for 2-2.5g protein per kg body weight per day if cutting. 1.5-2g if gaining muscle, whether through recomp/maintaining or bulking
>What’s the point of trying to appear male just to end up effeminate as heck
You’re literally a woman, there’s not much more you can hope for
Most lesbian outfit ever.
You’re on the right track with the image you posted. You want clothes that will basically fake a V shape in your torso while simultaneously hiding your tits, hips and ass. This will be tricky and honestly nearly impossible if you have an actual feminine body.
First, bind your tits as much as you can. You want to be as flat as possible. For pants, something loose but not as flowy as OPs pic, that reads feminine or gay. Go on eBay and look up old Ralph Lauren "Andrew" or "Hammond" trousers. They’re high rise, loose in the thigh and calf without being flowly or billowing. For the shirt, get a button up shirt and put darts in or buy a slim fit that has room in the shoulders but tapers at the waist to give your torso that upside down V shape. Heavy fabrics or fabrics with texture are your friend here. Oxford cloth, flannel, corduroy, rough linen, etc. If it looks smooth, silky, etc, ditch it. If you can, find a sport coat with a structured shoulder that basically creates a stronger shoulder for you. Again, have it tailored to come in at the waist and give the V. Get shoes with some hefty and bulk, boots, wingtips, etc.
If it all works, you’ll have a wider shoulder in a more masculine shape, a torso that tapers to the waist, and then pants that don’t cling to your hips and ass.
However I have to be realistic: Men’s and women’s bodies are obviously and visibly very different, same with posture and gait. At the very best you may come across as androgynous not manly, think David Bowie. And that illusion may shatter when you start talking to someone, not just due to voice but mannerisms like body movements, how your hands move when you talk, etc. I don’t want you to think there’s a perfect fix.
Also look up women’s styles from the 1920s and 1930s, especially Chanel. Sounds batshit now but back then there was a push due to sufferage for women’s clothing to be more masculine, they started wearing sport coats, ties, trousers, etc. It may help.
>I was just asking about male "fashion" becuse its more limited than female
this is…kind of a misconception, but i’m sure you know this. what style do you find yourself gravitating towards in general? there is no specific style that will make you ‘manly’ as has been said
prep for instance is a fairly unisex style, but you have to be careful you don’t look like every other lesbian in ill fitting chinos and a button down.
also i just realized you have to change your mentality a little. wanting to appear manly via clothing is what gets a lot of mtf trannies into trouble by dressing up in what they think is ‘most feminine’. ie you don’t want to walk around looking like a greaser or some shit
Tits or GTFO
you want to be a male yet you’re nothing else but an attention whore
>asking about fashion on board made for fashion
>Hurr durrr le attention whore
What?
I don’t want to answer your question because you didn’t answer mine.
Solidarity!
>Septum piercing
Basically essential for the modern male
>wispy Amish-style beard
don’t worry if it’s patchy, it’s not like you’re trying to looksmax here
>Short-sleeved button up with loud pattern
like the sort you’d see on the brass players in a 90s ska band, true masculine icons
>Tight jeans
You must have really hit the squat rack for gains like those, show them off! Be sure to tuck the shirt.
>Combat or work boots
Don’t worry, the effect won’t be ruined by day-glo color laces.
Also, be sure to accessorize with a wallet chain, padlock necklace, thick hipster glasses, hair dye, and gaudy tattoos! Have fun dood 😉
Die from cancer
Good luck lil dood! Be sure to post fit pics for Kiwifarms to enjoy!
Most guys today can’t even pass as real men what hope in hell do you think you have?
loose shirt
jeans(bootcut, skinny and petite are for gays)
bald to medium length hair
sneakers
any facial hair if you can
You will never be a man. You will look like a disgusting caricature in all instances. Give up while ahead.
Black jeans with sneakers. But we will still find a way to rape you even in your clever outfit.
>implying masculine women don’t exist
the vast majority of masculine women clearly look like women still, and definitely more feminine than the vast majority of femboys
how much time do you spend outside of the house in an average week?
>how do I look more masculine
undergo HRT and lose as much of your fat as possible without incurring in health risks, then dirty bulk to taste while lifting to target your core and shoulder mainly
the reason for that is fat distribution is sex specific and one of the main reasons females look female, there’s no way other than HRT to change that
and get a man’s haircut
>how do I look more masculine with clothes
wear stuff that’s too wide but the right length, but you’ll still largely look female
>and definitely more feminine than the vast majority of femboys
>masculine women
>more femmine than femboys
Wrong.
Also yes I know I can’t only pass with mens clothes, I was just asking for advice
When did I say I have soft features and femmine eyes?
I don’t care
Why does he want kids if he’s ftm?
That’s so weird wtf. I guess mpreg fetish?
t-shirt and cargo shorts
Why would you want to look like a man? FtM are very creepy looking, sure pump em full with test and they get muscles and beardgrowth but very creepy looking with soft features and feminine eyes…
YWNBAM
My partner is ftm, he wears a lot of dark grey/black, loose jeans that don’t show his hips/waist, very male haircut (not lesbian style which most ftm’s seem to do for some reason but just normal guy’s cut) etc. I definitely agree with other anons – skip top surgery if you are at all flat. He was thrilled when he got it, now we’re looking at having kids and he’s sad he can’t breast feed them. If you think there’s any chance you’ll regret it and they’re small enough to hide under baggy clothes, consider it.
You’re in hell
SWNBAM
YWNBAM
Good luck I’m also ftm
Just listen to Kierkegaard
Don’t know the image is coming out sideways, hella gay