You should get a platonic female friend. It would help solve a lot of your issues with women.

You should get a platonic female friend. It would help solve a lot of your issues with women. Right now half of you don't even believe in that idea.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I would if I could. Why don't you start OP? Be my platonic female friend.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why? Women make for shit friends.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hanging out with a woman allows you to understand the female perspective. It's up to you what you want to do with it; maybe use it to improve your dating skills, maybe just learn boundaries and try not to fall in love with the nearest attractive girls who pay attention to you.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I hate women precisely because I understand the female perspective you fricking dunce.
        t. grew up with 3 sisters

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No, you hate women because you've been around shitty family which was not your choice. And you feel belittled.

          Maybe if you had an impartial, sensitive female friend, who was completely platonic and could sympathize with your plight (i.e. being belittled by other women), you would let go of that latent anger you have about your family members.

          i will befriend any woman that is not my type. that APPROACHES me first.
          I'm 21 and it hasn't happened yet

          so looking for a gf it is

          If you sit around waiting for people to decide you're interesting, just based on your presence alone, you're not gonna anywhere. You have to reveal more of yourself and your personality before people will pay attention to you.

          >try not to fall in love with the nearest attractive girls who pay attention to you.
          you will try, and you will fail. women aren't made to be friends with, you are going to get a crush on her and then she is going to leave you.

          No, anon. That happens a lot with people when they are lonely, they tend to develop crushes faster. If you had a female friend growing up, had a crush on her, then repaired the situation and became lifelong friends, that could have gone a long way toward emotional development.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You can't be friends with a female everything about her you will develop a crush, her smell her voice her laugh her soft tiny hands my god you will be in the Walmart bathroom jerking off to panties you bought her that she hasn't even worn

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like you just don't have control of your sexual urges anon. Maybe you need to practice some self-discipline.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Or maybe c**ts need to stay the hell away if they do not want to put out.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No and my relationships with other women have only reinforced my conclusion. Women make for shit friends and the only reason men put up with them is because of their ape brain telling to breed.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Man that's crazy I thought 2 was a lot

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >3 sisters
          jesus christ. i can't stand having one, my condolences

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao I have 4, but only the oldest one is intolerable because she fits the Stacy stereotype to a T. A few days ago she and her friends were discussing why women should only marry millionaires because they have a prize between their legs.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >try not to fall in love with the nearest attractive girls who pay attention to you.
        you will try, and you will fail. women aren't made to be friends with, you are going to get a crush on her and then she is going to leave you.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This is complete and utter bullshit. There is no understanding the female perspective, only being shocked at their dishonesty and stupidity.

        t. had female friends in high school

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    feels like the same process as a gf but you can't use dating apps so how is it supposed to be easier

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What if, hypothetically, they always keep trying to get in my pants because they want to corrupt a cute innocent virgin. ^_^

    What does one do in a hypothetical situation such as that?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      When in doubt, whip it out originally

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I cannot. I stay strong for my future wife, as I know she is doing the same for me. T_T

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i will befriend any woman that is not my type. that APPROACHES me first.
    I'm 21 and it hasn't happened yet

    so looking for a gf it is

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I did have one and she manipulated me into being sexual with her even though I have a bf. She was also insanely overemotional and easy to trigger, this coming from a homosexual with BPD.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This
    Honestly a lot of the delusions and misconceptions robots have would be solved by a platonic girl friend.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    "Female friend" is the most useless oxymoronic statement.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >your platonic female friend gets partner
    >you will now be low priority and look creepy and like a cuck if you get clingy
    >your platonic female friend has close friends
    >good luck opening up and having her not leave you as her emotional baggage slots are already filled
    This even applies to normoid males with gf's and close friends. But at least with males, you can be somewhat clingy and attentionseeking without giving someone the ick. homosexual advice and never post again.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      So don't get clingy with a platonic friend who has a partner, and don't open up everything about yourself to a platonic female friend. Simple.

      Something tells me you've experienced these patterns before.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What is the advantage of a friend who you never get close to? Unlike most social prostitutes, I actually have a more rigid definition of friendship, and I can only get close to people who accept me being possessive. Plus, this post mentions that I will have issues with women solved, but that will not happen with a surface level platonic relationship where I only share the socially acceptable stuff.
        I am already not misogynistic, but at the same time I am not unaware. I know that my personality simply is unable to vibe with the majority of women platonically. Sure, maybe an individual will be different, but this post is homosexual as hell. I don't want just any platonic female friendship. No "getting" is going to help my perspective. Once again, this post is homosexual
        (Yes, I have experienced these patterns plenty)

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i found some recently but they thought i was a mysterious reserved type of individual when im really an empty husk. n they lost interest in me

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Just open up a little bit more, not too much. Think of some funny stories to share, maybe a moment in your life where you felt like the man. Ask questions but don't interview them.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Most of females are utterly shit, they do only care about looks and money, having a female friend is pure blackpill for robots so it's not even worth.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, try having a female friend instead of waving them off as utterly shit. Forget about what they want (looks and money in your eyes), just practice being friendly around a female that you do not want to romance. It'll pay off, trust me.

      There is no reason to waste time on a woman when things are platonic.

      Time with friends is never time wasted, even shitty ones you don't like. Because you can learn. It's a part of learning who to trust and who not to.

      I get the feeling you just really want intimacy, though. When you get it (not if), what will you do if she doesn't share the same feelings?

      https://i.4cdn.orgNSFFW1667340593832881.jpg

      What is the advantage of a friend who you never get close to? Unlike most social prostitutes, I actually have a more rigid definition of friendship, and I can only get close to people who accept me being possessive. Plus, this post mentions that I will have issues with women solved, but that will not happen with a surface level platonic relationship where I only share the socially acceptable stuff.
      I am already not misogynistic, but at the same time I am not unaware. I know that my personality simply is unable to vibe with the majority of women platonically. Sure, maybe an individual will be different, but this post is homosexual as hell. I don't want just any platonic female friendship. No "getting" is going to help my perspective. Once again, this post is homosexual
      (Yes, I have experienced these patterns plenty)

      Being possessive of your friends is a bad trait, anon. You should learn to work on this because it's not going to bode well for you. A lot of people will leave you and you won't make any progress, but you seem like the type to enjoy that level of misery. Maybe you can use it to your advantage, some girls want to hang out with the possessive weirdo with the rigid system of friendship.

      >It would help solve a lot of your issues with women.
      Already have one, doesn't help me find a nerdy girl with gigantic breasts at all.

      Go frick off back to r e d d i t.

      You can do that at the library on your own anon. But what happens when the nerdy girl doesn't like you being clingy, because you thought you found your perfect ideal? What happens if she sets boundaries and doesn't want a relationship?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Females who do not put out for you can hardly be defined as friends. And they are never to be trusted. They simply result in emotional and financial expenses with no recompense.
        You wont even need one hour around them to learn that part.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Being possessive of your friends is a bad trait, anon.
        My personality is like that however.
        >You should learn to work on this because it's not going to bode well for you.
        How do people just say "you should work on that"? Like how homie? You cannot change your true motivations. What is the point of a friendship in which you change yourself up for one? That is just as bad.
        >you seem like the type to enjoy that level of misery
        homosexual assumption. homosexual OP.
        >some girls want to hang out with the possessive weirdo with the rigid system of friendship
        This is the hypocritical homosexualry of all these normoid friendship shills. They pretend to help you, and when you reply with you real thoughts and explain logically why it is not feasible, they simply default into calling you a weird. Genuinely, stop posting and leave

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >You can do that at the library on your own anon.

        no moron, I can't. It's incredibly hard to find a women like pic related.

        >But what happens when the nerdy girl doesn't like you being clingy, because you thought you found your perfect ideal? What happens if she sets boundaries and doesn't want a relationship?

        My other female friend wouldn't give a flying frick about my dating problems. How about you take a clue and learn that women aren't interested in the the dating lives of their male friends.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Let me amend that statement, maybe they will take a interest if it relates to drama but specifically a man having issue finding or dating women. They could care less. Actively makes them uncomfortable.

          >T. Has tried and knows.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The reason it makes them uncomfortable is because it's a huge flag on your part that says 'I might develop feelings for you since nothing is working out elsewhere'. Especially the more you do it and the more you ask her for that particular topic over and over again.

            Comfortable platonic female friends can set you up with dates with their friends, if they like you; but if you seem desperate, they don't want to ruin their own image and hook up a more stable friend with a less stable one.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >female friends can set you up with dates with their friends
            lol, no thanks. Not there to frick the fat token sheboon of her friend group

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No I have it made it quite clear I am only sexually attracted to women with huge breasts. They literally don't know anyone like that and aren't interested in my dating life. At all.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There is no reason to waste time on a woman when things are platonic.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I wish I was a boy who looked like Taylor Swift

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >It would help solve a lot of your issues with women.
    Already have one, doesn't help me find a nerdy girl with gigantic breasts at all.

    Go frick off back to r e d d i t.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Women are boring to talk to unless you're fricking them. Their interests are surface level bullshit like netflix, starbucks and tiktok.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Most likely you're just looking for attractive female friends to get close to, then have sex with. Try making friends with one that you're not fricking, maybe one you share a hobby or interest with.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's every dude. Why do you think girls bully other girls for having a bunch of guy friends? Everyone knows that female and male friendships don't really work.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They actually work really well, anon. Simply because they test whether or not you're emotionally developed to handle friends of the opposite sex, without giving your all and falling in love/showing intimacy. It shows that you're emotionally competent to handle it.

          And yes, some female friends will have sex with their male friends, and still be friends later. Sometimes they break up and stop talking for a while until they reconnect years down the road and became actual friends, when they are more mature and understood each other better. It's at this point a lot of long-term, romantic relationships start.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Reminder that females only shittest guys like that when they they do not consider them hot enough to just jhave sex with.
            Waste of time to try and jump though her hoops, you are already thought of as a backup option at best.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      god this is the black pill
      >did you watch this on goyflix
      >did you watch dragon show on hbo?
      >did you watch...
      fricking on and on and on and on. i literally tell everyone i know i don't watch tv. i dropped my agent when she suggested i write for tv. yet all women talk about is... tv. tbf a couple of my female friends have gone with me to baseball games but even then they couldn't shut up and watch the game. granted i'm sure my interest in sportsball sounds a lot like
      >did you watch...

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I really would like to get into womens friend groups. That's one of my goals right now.

    Even if they don't want to frick, just being seen with them is good social credit

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      i frequent a bar, not healthy, but i do. there's two cute bartenders. both totally unavailable. but good practice never the less. i want to frick both but one is an actress the other is german i will not refer to them by name in case one of you spaz's lives near me.
      >actress closes bar down and has long talk with me.
      >me and actress exchange numbers
      >but we never really talk because she's got bf
      >german girl seems less interested. one night she's hammered and followed me around like a puppy, didn't try anything because she was gone.

      >i go in one night and both german girl and actress are there
      >my schitck is i always speak my shitty shitty german to german girl, it almost never gets past wie geths?
      >i also occasionally speak french to actress because she's a francophile psued.
      >guten abend, german girl. ein bier bitte
      >here, anon
      >actress is feeling left out
      >finish beer
      >(actress)can i get you another, anon?
      >she always says my name, and i always say hers
      >(to actress girl) oui, je voudrais beer merci, femanon
      >je vous en prie, anon
      >go out for cigarette with german girl
      >bar closes at 11 sleepy part of town, german girl clocks out goes home.
      >talk to actress until 4am, almost make a move but her bf calls right before i try

      i guess it's good to be around them, you can flirt a little and play jealousy games. it's severely fricked up but i guess that's the world we live in. I don't know if any of this was worth posting frankly

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't know if any of this was worth posting frankly
        It is. I need to get into a bar next and people did advise me to befriend a bartender, especially a female one

        I could definitely use the practice because my talking skills and wit are shit. I liked the club because I could just shut up and dance, but bars are much more accessible distance and cost wise

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          it's good practice. only thing is i did catch feelings for actress girl. also been drinking too much, not wanting to stay home much since lockdown ended (california) i'm starting to pump the breaks though.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >only thing is i did catch feelings for actress girl.
            Meh. I doubt I'll be susceptible because they'll probably be older and more busted looking than me if they've been in the partying scene that long hahaha

            I plan on just going there stoned to begin with so I'll only have one or two drinks

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            sounds like a good plan. good luck fren. also checked

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >good luck fren
            You too anonymous

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    MOST of my online friends are female because talking to guys feels pointless

    Still a wizard

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is a bad idea too, you need male friends so they can balance it out.

      Online friends are a bad idea in general, because people often lie and exaggerate their personalities. Find some IRL, anon

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Dude just go out in your town of 8000 and befriend the nonexistent young people who don't share your interests

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Drive, anon. Go visit places where there's people. Can you drive?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's 45 minutes to a small city (20K) and 90 minutes to a real city (100k+)

            I'm only confident enough to drive myself 15 minutes to work because I have hardly any experience driving in the city because it's so far

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I haven't driven a car in 6 years and never in the city but I'm about to ask a girl on a date to a place in the city like 45 minutes away

            Gotta take risks sometimes

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            ur a cuck go kys

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What is the cuckery exactly?

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I've had female friends in the past, I'm perfectly comfortable around women. The problem is the thought of anybody touching me makes my skin crawl, but I also really want a relationship.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If I can take some girls out to dance it's game over. I'll clean up

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No thanks. I've had female friends before and I'm not doing it again. They almost never share your interests, they have terrible senses of humour, they're more sensitive than guys so you have to be more careful about what you say, they invite drama into every social circle they enter, and they expect you to act like their emotional support whilst offering nothing in return because a guy talking about that stuff gives them the "ick". It's all the responsibility of having a girlfriend except you get none of the benefits. And if you DO get a girlfriend there's almost always some kind of conflict between them.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can confirm this is good advice anon. I've made a few platonic female friends this year and it's been really good for me, it's kind of nonsense the idea that men and women can't have friendships that don't progress into sexual or romantic scenarios. Like yeah sometimes you might lust after a friend as a result of your natural biological drives but it's not that difficult to keep a relationship entirely platonic if you've got other options in your life. Plus female friends can set you up with their friends. Too bad most anons are far too wicked to do something as simple and good spirited as making a fricking friend.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Plus female friends can set you up with their friends.
      This is the key

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's a miracle I even have a single male friend. Female friends are an impossibility for me.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm afraid to talk to girls because they may think I'm trying to flirt

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm afraid to talk to girls because they may think I'm trying to flirt
      If I posted the conversations I've had with girls here, nobody would even be able to tell I was talking to a girl

      Something shifted in my mindset and I literally just talk to them like they're dudes. Still have to learn how to escalate it smoothly

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    her chin is stronger than my will to live, hot asf

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Platonic friendships are fake

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    girls just want to be friends with good lookind guys or simps, that's pretty much it.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I only want online friends. I don't leave the house.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i have female friends, i love them and they love me. but the secret is i want to frick all of them who aren't fat. it's helpful and it's not

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I do. I've known her for nearly six years and been friends with her for five (she is basically my sister). She is an anomaly when it comes to women. She tries to be rational, is super chill, doesn't get angered over nonsense, and likes to have fun (she also prefers hanging out with men over other women). She is basically the "perfect" girlfriend for a lot of men.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >should have stayed in contact with the few female friends i made during uni semesters that i stopped talking to when semester ended
    frick i want to kill myself. how do i make new friend-girls?

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Except the BIG FRICKING PROBLEM THAT YOU MORONS KEEP REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE WE DO NOT GET THESE WOMEN THEY WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH US THEY ARENT GOING TO FALL IN OUR LAPS.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Modern women are shit. Why have female friends when you can have male friends?

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I had one but I ended up having to walk on eggshells around her because shes so fricking sensitive, and then she stopped being friends with me because I hung out with one of our old high school friends who she hates. When we tried to patch things up she got pissed at me again because I wouldnt make a tik tok to watch sjw vids on, and because I dont think trans people are literally the other sex like she does.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Funny I saw this thread when I was just about to post that I've decided to start ghosting the female friend I've had for years. She doesn't bring me happiness anymore, for I can't have her and I will be tantalized no more! Heed my words, fellow anons, a female friend will only refine your hatred of the finer sex tenfold. You will be a "friend" and nothing more while her friendships with other men evolve into something more all the while. You will be subjecting yourself to torture of the soul and feel more unwanted than you ever have before.

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How the frick do I find Thame I have 0 social skills and 0 personality I can't even say a proper sentence about something I like also it doesn't help I am in all boys school and the last time I talked with a woman wen I was 10

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >be tall white guy
    >women will go through olympic gymnastics routine just to talk to me
    >end up turning me into their boytoy cuck every single time because im too nice and docile (unironically tho, not fake get-in-your-pants nice)
    >therefore have lots of experience befriending women
    >disgusted by their behavior (esp their dating habits)
    >disgusted by how they treat me, their precious tall white friend
    >one day lose my fricking shit, start telling girls to frick off
    >makes them like me more
    all ive learned from being friends with women is that being friends with them is a mistake and that being a genuine guy gets you nothing in life. i dont even want a girlfriend anymore, it sounds like a nightmare

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Im a tall white guy too but women never ever fricking talk to me. Do I just exude that much awkwardness?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        you're probably unattractive anon, sorry.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      by their behavior (esp their dating habits)
      mind fleshing this out a bit more, anon? also, how do they treat you as the tall white friend?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >dating habits
        it's just over and over again aloof douchebags. its a total meme at this point, but its completely true in my experience. edgy guys with anger issues, frat boys, sometimes just plain buttholes. the key seems to be dominance. if you can successfully dominate your peers in socially acceptable ways women will line up to frick you. and then it's always Boohoohoooo he was mean/cheated. i also see guys who had no play suddenly be a hot item the moment he has something girls want. ive seen this a lot actually. women are like vultures waiting to for their moment to squeeze themselves into the lives of successful men. of course then the moment he loses what he had the girls start making excuses why they dont like him anymore and find ways to leave, all the while the girls are talking about love and respect like they're not completey full of shit.
        >how do they treat you
        like an emotional tampon, sucking the soul out of me while not giving a frick about anything im going through

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >just over and over again aloof douchebags.
          >sometimes just plain buttholes.
          thank you for saying this. if you mention this, and that they are the most successful you get shit on. that these women are the minority, but i've seen the opposite to be true. sounds bad, but i believe what an anon here had said. lie very frequently to maintain or advance their social position.
          >like an emotional tampon, sucking the soul out of me while not giving a frick about anything im going through
          yeah, basically treating you like a man instead of a friend. "you're a guy, figure it out and don't be a loser". if they had brothers, maybe but for the most part no. i genuinely don't think they can view men (unless conditioned) as anything else other than tools like guys can't help but want to frick their friends who are girls. i know i sound like a misogynist, just what i've observed and experienced myself.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            i cant trust women anymore due to my experiences. the level of gaslighting and blatant lies, even from seemingly good women, baffles me. and everyone goes along with it because we're programmed to go along with women. women are cold-hearted opportunists, pretending to be lovers. incels are right about women more often than not, and guys who are successful with women have no reason to question anything until something bad happens to them. it's almost a blessing in diguise in some ways that fewer men are dating or having sex, and divorce rape is so common. it is waking men up from the wool that women pull over our eyes. it's why women are so sensitive about things, because they have something to lose if men stop worshipping them.

            sometimes i have fun and use my looks to troll women, but i mostly just dont talk to them at all anymore unless its my mom

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >i dont even want a girlfriend anymore
      shit dude, neither do i. used to always want one

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why would some woman want to babysit a complete social reject into normiehood?

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't help. It might help men with very shallow problems like having incel views. My problems go a bit deeper.

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have a platonic female friend
    She has lowered my opinion on women

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >You should be a moronic cuck and worship females.
    no go frick yourself homosexual

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All my friends are platonic but my friendships are nothing personal like clowntime since my life is like groundhogs day ghost joke. But people cause all these mental problem and seperating myself from everyone is the solution.

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the only true friend I had was a girl. It was platonic, but I can claim no moral high ground, since that wasn't by choice on my part. I fell madly in love with her, it just so happens I fell for a lesbian. But for all my moronic shit she called me a friend when nobody else did.

    I let her go, a long time ago. There was nothing left I could do for her. I hope she's happy, wherever she is.

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    hard to not be blackpilled on women even though it's ultimately self defeating

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I never had a real friend, the closest I had to one ironically was a girl but me being self sabotaging in all my general relationships, my autism, my lack of self esteem, and etc pushed me away from her
    I don't know what she actually thought about me, if I was like a genuine friend to her or not
    Sometimes I think about messaging her to see if we can meet up but she's happily married and by that point in life why do you want to see an old guy you used to know?
    I don't have romantic feelings for her but I assume it would still be weird
    Normally I wouldn't even consider meeting with people I used to know but now that I'm not a NEET anymore that has given me a little hope in life
    Sorry for blog but I kinda miss her but I also don't want to ruin the idealized view of her

  45. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My best friend is female, still blackpilled

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