>you can abort it because it’s a clump of cells!
>anon…you yourself are a clump of cells
>you can abort it because its a clump of cells! >anonyou yourself are a clump of cells
>you can abort it because it’s a clump of cells!
>anon…you yourself are a clump of cells
>clump of cells with consciousness vs clump of cells without consciousness
>anon sees no difference
>you can kill every unconscious human clump of cell because they dont have consciousness
>killing people in their sleep is not immoral
>killing someone knocked out is not immoral
>killing people in a coma who you know guaranteed is going to awaken in less than 9 months is not immoral
lmao
Consciousness develops around 24 weeks.
Its so odd to me that people place value on consciousness, like its something outside humans that we can observe and see.
Like theres aliens or machines that think and have the soul of a human. Consciousness doesn't exist on its own. It needs humans. It doesn't exist without humans. You can't seperate it.
>clump of cells with electrical signals
Big deal
Is there any ontologically sound defense against the idea that all life is precious?
>God made it libtard!
So God made murderers and rapists know they'd be murderers and rapists? We just have to suffer these individuals because life is le precious?
>noooo you can't kill yourself think of the taxes we can milk out of you for 80 years!
if you cant make an ontologically sound argument for the value of life then you cant make an ontologically sound argument for any ethical issue.
All your beliefs on morality and what ought to be is thus wrong. Capitalists are not wrong in perpetuating inequality. Religious evangelist exploiting the masses are not immoral in doing so, etc. etc.
I don't care. Reproductive autonomy for women is more important than the life of something that has no concept of life, death or morality.
Are you being ironic? Do you mean by "the reproductive autonomy of a women" as women having casual sex with whoever?
No to the first and effectively yes to the second, but it also means less fear about having sex with your partner in general. Men can do it, why can't women? If you don't like it, find a partner who doesn't do it
>b-but they don't exist muh globohomo all women sluts!
Kill the incel in your mind
>okay, they might exist but its too hard to find them!
Not my problem
back to church, roastie
>hate women
>also think that prolife argument is retarded
The hard choices of man...
Know what I think is silly?
Pro-life people who says abortion is murder, in the same sense as murdering a 10 month old baby.
Just seems like an obvious lie.
Like, they seriously want me to believe, that in their head whatever is happening at the women's ward on the hospital, is equivalent to a baby murder factory?
And all they do is piss and moan on the internet, maybe wave a flag sometimes. .. Vote.
OBVIOUSLY, you believe it to be less bad (but are lying/mistaken when you say it's the same).
Or you're a shit person, IMO.
I mean, isn't that just burger conservatism in general? Remember Death Panels? Pensioneers in gated communities unironically think MS13 can gun you down the moment you leave your home for the store and that urban areas are warzones. Now they think public schools are kid molestation factories.
But yes, the big question is why the fuck do they do nothing if they actually think they live in Biblical Sodom?
When I've called people out on this, I've gotten some lame cope about how they would've been really into chemistry and clockmaking, if it weren't for the fact that their Christian beliefs comes with some kind of pacifism.
Just a fact, it's the killing of a human being.
If you want ot say the morality of murdering a human depends on their level of cognitive development that's cool
>Just a fact, it's the killing of a human being.
Yeah, this is the position, that I'm calling out.
Why are you not responding to the rest of my post?
The idea is, that you're a shit human. Cuz you're posting on LULZ, while they are murdering babies two blocks down the road.
This problem goes away, if you think abortions are less bad, than murdering babies.
>OBVIOUSLY, you believe it to be less bad (but are lying/mistaken when you say it's the same).
>Or you're a shit person, IMO.
Yes, why do you think they will do anything when other people are murdered when no one does anything when their own kids are murdered? How often do you see fathers go out and kill the person that raped or killed their kid? It's relegated to revenge fantasy in films.
>How often do you see fathers go out and kill the person that raped or killed their kid?
I expect we would see more of this, if we lived in a society that let murderers and rapists get off, without any punishment.
However, if you think abortion = murder, you already live in such a society. What gives?
If I had gotten a woman pregnant and she got an abortion for no reason other than wanting to keep her current lifestyle I could very easily see myself wanting to kill her. The only thing stopping me really is the threat of jail.
>The only thing stopping me really is the threat of jail.
Is this also the reason you don't, like, blow up abortion clinics?
Or are you just fine with murders going free, if they are not personally close to you?
>I expect we would see more of this, if we lived in a society that let murderers and rapists get off, without any punishment.
You mean northern Europe, or a couple years in prison is enough to compensate for the loss or rape of your kid... yea people just do nothing because they don't really care and are more concerned with themselves
Hmmm, I live in Norway and knew 1 person who was murdered. However the murderer is looking to spend the rest of their life in jail.
>In July 2022, a drunk Syrian raped a 15-year-old in Osnabrück. This Friday the verdict was: probation. The reason given by the court: the man was on the way to becoming a normal fellow citizen and the girl would at least receive compensation for pain.
Yea said "or you are a shit person" I agree with that, they do nothing when others are murdered, not even when their own kids are. This applies to basically everyone in western countries.
Do you think it's possible that they are not THAT awful people, but just lie for rhetoric effect in abortion debates?
then they also lie about caring about their own children. No much more likely they are just cowards.
>it doesn't count as punishment if it isn't 20+ years of being raped by "Bubba"
Do the people in northern Europe believe that murderers and rapists are not punished?
I don't really understand if you are disagreeing with me.
It sounds like you think they are in the wrong, like, you are painting a pretty bleak picture.
While people who says abortion = murder, are doing the same things you are accusing them of.
The old progressive support of abortion as basically a way of keep poors and blacks from breeding like rabbits was a good thing and I don’t care if this system shifted slogans and what not to be a woman’s liberation thing instead when it had the same result
I'm extremely pro abortion and extremely pro death penalty. What am I?
I think abortion is bad, I just think unwanted children being raised by poor parents is more bad. What am I?
an idealist
orphanage destroyer
My issue isn't so much the views of other pro-lifers, it's the lack of a consistent application of this ethic. Why does a person's concerns for safeguarding life only exist for the unborn? Should we not also care about the lives of those who have already been born? It seems silly to me to say one is prolife but then for example not support things like free school lunches, universal healthcare, access to adequate pay or housing, all things that seems they would improve and expand people's quality of life whether they are alive now or will soon come into life. And why do so many of my prolife friends seem to be pro capital punishment? If one considers an abortion to be murder and therfore morally wrong, how is capital punishment okay? Isn't that also murder? Of course asking for moral consistency from prolifers is like trying to stuff a turd back up one's ass. An exercise in futility.
>prolife and pro capital punishment are contradictions!
such is the brainrot of the burgers
The Catholic Church is consistent on most of those things. I know that Catholics are by no means the only pro-lifers but this isn't the gotcha a lot of people throw out at many on that side.
>unfertilized egg in woman's vagina
>zygote
>embryo
>fetus
>fetus (35 weeks 'develops consciousness')
>baby
what's the cutoff for not being able to murder it?