So, what's the plan now that x.org is officially deprecated? Will you upgrade to Wayland or stick with the X.org display server for the X11 protocol?
X.org is now deprecated
So, what's the plan now that x.org is officially deprecated? Will you upgrade to Wayland or stick with the X.org display server for the X11 protocol?
wait 10 years
Wayland will never be a display server (it is a protocol)
so is C
>C is a protocol
bold statement, very brave
2 more weeks until wayland becomes usable!
works on my machine
>xorg
>werks
Doesn't work on my hidpi 10bpc monitor I plug into my laptop
>wayland
>doesn't work
functional on my computing device
doesn't werk on my machine
wow, very insightful.
Name one reason wayland doesn't work and xorg does
hard mode: don't mention muh discord zoomerware
nightlight is broken on wayland with proprietary drivers. also random freezes and artifacts.
switched to xorg and it just werks.
>proprietary
the open source driver, like wayland, doesn't werk
does nouveau work better then?
>it just works bro
>except for that but you don't need that
>or that
>or that
>or that
>or that
>or that
etc etc etc
>"you don't need that"
What do you niggas mean when you say this?
You know only gnomenaggers do this right? Every other wayland server implements features. Literally every. Gnomenaggers are the odd one out. Everyone other than KDE is using wlroots and KDE implements all the wlroots shit like layer shell anyways.
I haven't tried Wayland and I don't need to, bruh. Guess why? Because X11 does work, my nerdy friendo.
jk someday I'll have to give it a shot. but only then I'll have my opinion set. until then go fy.
Nvidia
>but muh Nvidia drivers
Nope, they had to tell Wayland devs to fix their shit
>wayland
>devs
Which ones?
The old devs for xord
wayland needs xdg declarations, dbus and other bloat
>modular design that allows you to only use what you need is bloat
are you retarded
Except Wayland requires all of the specified if you want to use something that even remotely resembles a desktop. Sure you may not need all of that if you're running a Wayland session on a fucking fridge screen, but I don't think most people are posting from a fridge.
10bpc does work, you just have to set xorg color bits option. Hidpi works as well.
>10bpc works, just edit these random fucking files
>also half your applications will stop opening or display as black teehee, don't worry about that 🙂
>xorg
werks
>wayland
doesn't werk
What do you mean?
>faggora
I already use kde Wayland fulltime
I see no reason to use X11.
Only problem I have so far is with krita and it not supporting Wayland gestures for scrolling. (not that they work on X either)
yes
I will wait until the MATE port to Wayland is complete and it runs on my non-free Nvidia drivers.
Still, I'll miss my window sitter desktop mascots 🙁
You can get window sitter desktop mascot with layer shell protocol
Fake zoomer cringe bait
>Fake zoomer cringe bait
cope harder for me babe
>MATE
gtk3 infested trash
it literally looks the same as the old version to me
back to Windows for a couple years until Nvidia performance issues on Wayland are solved.
It’s not gona be solved because Nvidia doesn’t play ball, guy
perma-Windows it is then 🙁
I've seen the future and nvk+zink will btfo- I mean match nvidia proprietary in performance after gsp firmware is merged into nouveau
ironically I already get much better desktop performance in Wayland with the nouveau driver than with proprietary drivers on my 3060, that's how bad nvidia driver Wayland support is
(X11 with proprietary btfos nouveau obviously)
nouveau driver has Krashes though sadly
Yeah expect nouveau (kernel not userspace opengl) development to surge and a radv tier vulkan driver "soon"
Once a vulkan driver works, which nvk is already loooking pretty decent, you can just use zink for opengl and it will be native tier anyways.
I hope you're right, I'd love to be able to switch to nouveau full time. just being stable and performant on the desktop would be enough since I don't need to do cuda stuff
>40MiB blob just to run the GPU
Ya, no. Fuck you novideo cucks. Stop polluting my fs with your shitty drivers.
because nvidia doesn't care about troonware. rust and wayland are both toy projects that will never receive official support.
I keep using Wayland like I have been for the last 7 years.
thanks, but i'm waiting for arcan.
The fact that people with preferred pronouns want me to do something instantly makes me want to do the other thing.
I doubt Xfeces will have a working Wayland session anytime soon. There's like 3 people developing it. MATE has started working on it years before Xfce and they still don't have it despite having a larger development team.
With that said, Wayland is the future, and you should use Plasma on Wayland unless you have a novideo GPU.
It's not deprecated, it's deprecated from rhel not the same thing homosexual.
when will plasma stop supporting x11? thats when i will switch to xfcs.
>X.org deprecated
>wayland still unstable and crashes your programs or desktop
Is this it? This is how they gonna kill year of the linux desktop?
We're talking RHEL here - it's gonna be literally another decade before it's fully deprecated, by which point Wayland will be solid
I see, OP being a homosexual once again.
Wayland is actually a good thing, it fits KISS philosophy, unlike X, but it's NOT ready yet.
> it fits KISS philosophy
No it doesn't. The lack of standardized interfaces encourages non-modular monolithic compositor design. The compositor does every thing and everything shit. The opposite of KISS.
In reality every indie interchangable-with-wms compositor sucked ass on xorg. On wayland it takes way less effort to make a compositor, wlroots does almost all of the heavy lifting, and it's not hard to really do whatever you want. Also, on xorg you can't use gnome/kde compositors on other wms anyways, so it's basically the same situation where it's up to the compositor to be modular. If you think retarded picom shit was good you are in denial, that shit was high latency broken vsync ass tier effects, on my machine it was locked at 60fps when I had 144hz.
uhhh so why SHOULD I use wayland anyway?
instead of wasting time on wayland why doesn't anyone make new X11 standard compliant X server with modern C (or C++ or rust or $CURRENT_MEME_LANG)
Wayland doesn't support 10% of X.org's functionality required for desktop use
it's literally unusable for anything but maybe kiosks
fuck gayland trannies
I hope they all die a horrible death for killing superior X.org.
>required functionality of drawing shapes on the screen, but everyone just bypasses it and draws bitmaps instead, then sending those bitmaps uncompressed over the network built into the main server instead of doing one thing and doing it well
>required functionality of copying an image 8 times to prevent screen tearing
>required functionality of not being able to actually lock the screen, only pretend to
>required functionality of not being able to support multi monitor, 10bpc, mixed dpi, mixed refresh rate, vrr on multiple monitors, HDR, kernel DRM subsystem without hacks
It would be unreasonable to make another x11 server when almost every problem with xorg is an inherent limitation with adhering to x11. Fixing x11 would break compatibility with programs anyways.
Here is what xorg devs said about making an x12:
https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12/
Note this eventually turned into wayland, and the network transparency part split off into waypipe.
xorg is already hacked to be a shittier version of wayland already. It thinks it controls the framebuffer and all sorts of stuff but is actually going through kernel DRM. This is basically the best we're getting with x11.
Wayland does one thing (simple protocol between compositor and client) and does it well. Everything else should be implemented in pipewire or xdg-desktop-portal for security and maintainability. Xorg is a mess of broken IPC.
Why do so many retards use Nvidia GPUs on Linux? Ever since Fermi, they basically cucked you with nonfree signed firmware bullshit.
why is weed in this meme?
xfce 4.20
It's only deprecated on red hat Linux, not for other distros.