>wonder why zoomer junior dev is stuck on a problem. >interrogate him

>wonder why zoomer junior dev is stuck on a problem
>interrogate him
>turns out he's been relying on chatgpt to solve his problems
>extremely bad at solving any problems on his own
AI is doing what stackoverflow did but 10 times worse. I suspect there will be no new programmers in the world after 2025. The easier it is to just copy paste solutions to simple toy problems the less likely new people are to actually attempt to write any code on their own and thus learn.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    sage

    Unironically best moment in history to learn to code if you aren't afraid of books and have an attention span of more than 10s

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only way to learn to code is by writing code yourself. Copypaste naggers never learn a thing. Especially in non-SE jobs you will find people who have been "writing code" for decades yet can't program their way out of a paper bag, because they keep falling back on copypasting. In dev roles at least that shit wouldn't fly for very long - forcing you to either learn or fail - but the better the copypaster tools get, the less incentive there is for the average income maximizer to improve.

      • 2 weeks ago
        sage

        >but the better the copypaster tools get, the less incentive there is for the average income maximizer to improve.
        yes and someone who RTFM will use those just like those use text models

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The zoomers don't rtfm because they've got gpt. That's the fucking problem. They will never get to the point where they can just look at API documentation because they never really write code on their own.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ITT millenials showing their age complaining about those darn kids using their new fangled technology while we have to READ. Well guess what? Gen Z doesn't have to read because they use the tools at their disposal. Most of them don't even know HOW to read.

          • 2 weeks ago
            sage

            >That's the fucking problem.
            for them, for you it means you won't have any real competence

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread
      seriously considering making my own company. gpt4 is godsend.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this but not the sage, I have a local ai retard on my computer and its really hit and miss depending on how "standard" the problem I'm having is. What blew me away though was that it was atble to stay on task long enough and make it retard friendly enough to actually walk me through the steps I needed to do to install oracle db on my computer for local use to learn. Unironically the most "wow this is the future" moment I've ever had with it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >how standard the problem is
        But that's an issue innit? Most problems faced by people doing actual work aren't standard. I'm OP and the zoomer was stuck because GPT would hallucinate bullshit when asked to work with some niche libraries it's probably never seen before. But said libraries come with examples so literally all he had to so was go check there.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sometimes, depends on the problem. If you fact check it and its wrong, instead of telling it its wrong, you just reboot it and ask a more general question and double check that, you'll eventually get to the point where it will spit out a correct answer and you either go from there so it can hand hold you or you have to google it yourself. I have retards in my current class who use GTP for all their homework and it shows.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      theres no point in learning now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this
      i'm starting a master's degree in CS and i feel like i'm overqualified already
      nevermind reading docs or books, or even fucking wikipedia, people cannot even formulate questions properly for chatgpt, it's fucking insane how inept they are

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread
      seriously considering making my own company. gpt4 is godsend.

      The AI bubble is more like an AI Chernobyl.
      The collapse is going to be more far reaching than anyone can comprehend because nobody has a clue how far AI has actually infiltrated through people using it to actually develop things. The longer it takes for the bubble to burst the worse the resulting crash. One day people are going to realize there's at least a full generational knowledge gap and no way to plug the hole.

      >and no way to plug the hole
      there's always a way to plug the hole, it's called paying top salaries. where there's money there's a way.

      If things keep up we are going back to the age were problem solvers can live the rock star lifestyle with only a couple of weeks of work per year.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Movie?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Pulp fiction

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    out he's been relying on chatgpt to solve his problems
    I've had an intern doing qt with chatgpt and it was awful.
    he never ever opened the doc, he juts copy pasted shit from chatgpt, he was stuck on something that took me 10 seconds to find with google, he was on it for 2 days.
    I asked him why he did not use google and read the doc, he told me that he prefered the way chatgpt talked to him and that he made him feel like a poweruser...
    I was stunned, I did not know what to say so I left.
    I thought software engineering could not fall any lower, seems like I was wrong.
    I sent a message to my IT bro and they blocked chatgpt company-wide after that, he now use chatgpt on his phone, he even installed teams on his it just to be able to continue to copy-paste disregarding rules, he even went as far as say the company was sabotaging engineering, he then went on a rant about how we should embrace the future, yadda yadda and that he won't stay after he graduates, etc etc.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In my case I told the guy flat out to stop using chatgpt or I'll boot him from the project. Good luck justifying your continued employment you little shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've been using chatgpt for qt to get a general idea of what it can do and how to do it. You obviously cant use code directly from it but its pretty good for finding the right component. (new to qt, needed something for a gui and it seems like the only viable option)
      Was he just asking it for code and pasting?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Was he just asking it for code and pasting?
        yes, things like make me a menu with 4 entries with rounded corners, create me a buttons with blue background, etc.
        I remember one time when he c/p one old qt4 function that does not exist in qt6, the compiler told him the function did not exist, he could have googled this shit and find the answer under 30 seconds but instead he came to me asking for help.
        he has a js + react background and he constantly rant about how C++ is dogshit because some js feature are not there, how qt is utter garbage because of reason, etc, etc.
        he is at a good school in my country, he thinks he is an expert in typescript and webdev in general, he unironically wrote that in some survey we had to fill last year about our skill...
        this is pretty insane when the intern is the only one with expert filled (expert meant recognized by peers expert, think Herb Sutter-level or someone from a committee for a technology or something) our boss laughed at him and changed it to basic, he was fuming and ranted to me about it.

        I just can't understand the audacity of some zoomer engineers, I've never seen so much entitlement, even the boomers weren't as unhinged as some of the interns/graduates zoomzoom we took in.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          As a zoomer who dosen't like c++: lol, lmao.
          I love ai for the purposes of "summarize docs to me with links" and "tell me what this api has to solve my problem" but I learned very quickly that its still shit at producing logical usable code.
          He sounds like he'll be humbled extremely quickly. (or AI will advance enough to pick up the slack)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like I won't have to worry about my competition

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was thinking the same thing, but I'm a millenial that got job raped by covid, so the less that people enjoy or can code, the better.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >about how we should embrace the future
      Well, maybe with LLMs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he told me that he prefered the way chatgpt talked to him and that he made him feel like a poweruser...
      based retard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I sent a message to my IT bro and they blocked chatgpt company-wide after that, he now use chatgpt on his phone, he even installed teams on his it just to be able to continue to copy-paste disregarding rules, he even went as far as say the company was sabotaging engineering, he then went on a rant about how we should embrace the future, yadda yadda and that he won't stay after he graduates, etc etc.
      You guys deserve all of these for hiring these dumbass homosexuals instead of me

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Grim reading.

      >im better than le intern haha
      Shut the fuck up you anime trannies

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      was he a qt? >_>

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Grim reading.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >never used chatgpt to code because never needed it
    >get a drupal job, "wft is a drupal?"
    >documentation and resources are total ASS, don't want to annoy the seniors with too many retarded questions (or wait hours for them to respond)
    >for the first time get really stuck hard on something this week
    >remember chatgpt can code, decide to ask it
    >it takes some proompting, but around 10 minutes later my problem is solved
    >been using it all week now, it basically tells me what functions i need to use without me digging through google for hours
    >get my work done extra fast
    bros this thing is awesome. i find it's pretty retarded for actual code logic beyond really basic stuff, but using it as a sort of documentation encyclopedia for drupal has literally reduced my frustration levels to near zero

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but using it as a sort of documentation encyclopedia
      You are doing it right. ChatGPT is considered a major Google competitor for searching. Just choose your tools correctly, that's all there is to it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread
      ChatGPT is just an interface for the documentation. Only the retarded are using it to do their whole ass job.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much what I told my boss when she asked about me using it for PySpark, the mutual opinion was that:
        >code is dogshit
        >blindly copying shit is retarded and should get me fired on the spot
        >using it as an inquiry-able docs is perfectly fine

        Someone mentioned in my other team (proper programming one) had a chatGPT 4 account I could use, so basically encouraged if it helped learn the backwards methods of data science job.

        Like any AI tool, the general method is “use it to help you do stuff, not do it for you” and if you do the latter you’re a retard.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          People really shouldn't use ChatGPT unless Sam Altman stops censoring it.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >can either grind leetcode and interview skills to get a 100% raise or try to be better at your current job for a 10% bonus
    it's not AI, it's the fact that it's smarter to get a new job than to be better at your current one that's causing zoomers to not care about anything besides leetcode

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lel, I actually just went through an entire remote internship using ONLY chatgpt. I really had some sort of depression or was burntout as fuck and couldn't think about the massive project shit they assigned me to and just used gpt to give me 90% of every task I was assigned to (I did tweak and test to make sure it worked though)

    When the internship ended last week they told me I was the best of all the trainees and they offered me a job. I have no degree btw and I pretty much ended on top of two other dudes who were just graduating.

    GPT literally saving lives right now if you are semi-astute and not only literally just copy pasting like a retard.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How did you get into that internship in the first place?

      I'm legitimately interested

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >using a delirious AI to write actual production code

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you realize how stupid people are? Haven't you seen all the keys that get pushed out to public repositories by even supposedly reputable companies? Imagine the stupidity of these people if they hard code an ssh key in.
      I'd rather have the AI generated code.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think I'll be fine because my ego already doesn't let me use a graphical calculator in math class, and I won't use it for calculations unless it's a multiplication like (132*176)

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And what will you rely on to figure this out for future hires? ChatGPT 3?

    ok xoomer

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just hire the ai, then hire monkies to input into it, validate output, then pass it on to another ai or robot that does w/e it needs to do with it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      obviously in the future we will all have Elon Musk's Neurolink installed into our brains and we can just download the ability to code, duh....

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't hire anyone born after ~97

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stealth post for "my junior is better performing than me and threatens to replace me"

    Get fucked OP, should've gone admin instead.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >my junior is better performing than me and threatens to replace me
      The little shit couldn't do a few hours' work in a week because GPT couldn't do it for him, lmaom

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A senior is a few orders of magnitude above a junior
      t. FAGMAN junior

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And yet every codemonkey is beneath the God Admins.

        t. Admin who never coded nor scriped once in his life

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. Admin who never coded nor scriped once in his life
          You're not gonna go far, kid.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't need to. I am and will always be above you codemonkeys and shat out some of you from the company already. Know your place.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >this is what admins actually believe
              i'm very happy that you're this optimistic in life, anon. keep at it

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno, I’ve hard to learn PySpark and dealing with stack overflow makes me want to itch the back of my mouth with a shotgun.

    >look up basic thing
    >10 answers that don’t directly answer shit
    >alright it’s a bad hand but I’ll deal with it
    >every fucking answer is some pajeet making the most convoluted and absurd code I’ve ever seen in my life

    Turns out all I needed was df1.join(df2, on=[cols], how=“left”).drop(“df2 excessive columns) yet these fuckers were writing 4-5 lines of UDFs just to do some janky thing with .collect()

    I give SOF a chance, and everytime it’s ruined by people who can’t code or make readable code. At least ChatGPT explains stuff and you can question its bullshit, all you have to do is actually read and test it.

    Basically ChatGPT is de-poo’ed SOF

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >PySpark
      Data scientists are basically retarded when it involves code
      Stop pinging my team for help with baby bitch SQL queries and go back to LULZ you nagger

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fake blonds are made for pumping and dumping without protection

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I never watched Chaika, is it any good?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's good fun. Decent fantasy anime. Nothing mindblowing but a good watch.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chaika very good, shocking truth!

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This was always the biggest potential issue with AI tools. Not that you would lose your jobs, but rather that the proportion of people who no longer have any idea what they doing would balloon to an incredible size as more and more of these monkeys get hired.

    Every person like this that gets employment will make your life as a dev harder. This is (and was) already happening before AI, so it's really accelerating

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The AI bubble is more like an AI Chernobyl.
      The collapse is going to be more far reaching than anyone can comprehend because nobody has a clue how far AI has actually infiltrated through people using it to actually develop things. The longer it takes for the bubble to burst the worse the resulting crash. One day people are going to realize there's at least a full generational knowledge gap and no way to plug the hole.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can actually already see this in practice, since it's basically happened with core C infrastructural code and libraries. Very few people have the skill/knowledge to maintain or troubleshoot them due to the proliferation of higher level tooling, and the people who still are around are obscenely bad about grooming successor candidates into the craft

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly the boomers need to be made to understand. The danger of AI isn't it gaining sentience and becoming a genocidal overlord. It's that it permits dramatic knowledge loss and one day all those aerospace engineers an programmers that make the missile and make it know where it is by knowing where it is not won't actually know how to make it know where it is not anymore.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and no way to plug the hole
        there's always a way to plug the hole, it's called paying top salaries. where there's money there's a way.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have an idea that this AI stuff is (partly) being showcased to stunt/kill off independant creativity. I mean, why actually have a real human do something(or do it one's self) if an AI bot will do a seemingly presentable job?

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still don't see the point in shit like chatgpt for getting answers to something. If it can help you an even better answer could probably just be found with Google

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well you just outed yourself as an under 18.

      The moment you do anything that isn’t part of a Python basics bootcamp, your results become utter shit quality (ie SOF is shit and gives overly complex or irrelevant answers), or you get docs which are god awful.

      ChatGPT’s bread and butter is that you can ask it exactly what you want, then further filter it for what precisely you want to know and get. It won’t tell you something niche exactly, but if you need to know a framework and the docs are shit, it’s useful to effectively have someone to ask directly for stuff

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AI is doing what stackoverflow did but 10 times worse
    Completely untrue. I often find myself digging through 10 threads of SO, all full of freetards who have zero idea what they are talking about, while ChatGPT just gives me the correct answer.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh chatgpt
    >muh stackoverflow
    >muh google
    >muh documentation
    What happened to just reading the fucking code?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >code requires documentation
      You just outed yourself with 1 sentence, lol.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who are these cuties

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chaika and not Chaika.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

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