Women only view relationships in terms of what they can gain. A woman will never have the altruistic desire to be with you.
Women only view relationships in terms of what they can gain.
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same with men. men only want sex and its sad. men need to be castrated
I know you're just baiting, but I appreciate that you don't try to deny it. I do believe that men can feel the altruistic desire to just be with a woman, because otherwise they would have never written about it, and it would have never resonated with so many.
Even if you don't believe this, any woman can give a man sex. If that's all they want, that's a pretty low hurdle to clear.
>men can feel the altruistic desire to just be with a woman
I love how youre omitting the fact that is entirely based on her attractiveness and willingness to fuck you, to try and make men sound deeper or something kek.
Seriously, go fuck yourself.
t. Ugly girl that never experience LE MALE ALTRUISM
What you said is false. Men are willing to date ugly women, you've probably rejected the advances of a multitude of men because you perceived them as having nothing to offer you.
I never claimed that men don't have standards, I claimed that men and women view relationships and love differently. You are simply projecting your own shallowness on to men in order to justify it.
god shut the fuck up you don't even SEE men under 5'10
Lower your standards, stupid cunt. Stop acting like men have never approached you.
There's men that find literally any type of woman attractive.
Short women? Yep.
Tall women? Yes.
Fat women? You bet.
Muscular women? Absolutely.
Introverted women? Yes.
Extroverted women? Of course.
Only the most horrendously deformed women, the bottom 0.1%, are genuinely unable.
Meanwhile, women only like one type of man; tall, handsome and muscular with a 8" dick and a dark triad personality.
Fuck you i'm paying for everything the least you can do i suck my cock
This, women just take and when its time to give back, they want to weasel their way out.
This idea was largely popularized as a result of flawed chimp studies & will lead to very incorrect predictions
Women view relationships as boring wastes of time until proven otherwise & will usually bite if you have even the slightest idea of how to be enjoyable
(also give them food)
That's literally what I said. Entertainment is just one of the things they can gain.
>you must dance for me loser or I will actively hate you and despise you
It would help if most girl's definitions of enjoyable weren't constantly going out to parties and bars and getting drunk. I want a quiet girl who's very mentally ill, but doesn't ask much more from me other than to love her. The thing is this kind of girl isn't very common. It's so annoying. Why is just love never enough anymore?
This one will be alone forever. Too far gone - not even trying to hide their abject degeneration
Do you think that you yourself do not gain anything from a relationship? Is entertainment truly too much to ask of you ?
That's not the point. Women view relationships as an exchange while men do not, and you are only proving my point by trying to argue it. Please google what the word "altruism" means.
>Women view relationships as an exchange while men do not
No, I very much do view relationships as ongoing exchanges. There are quite a few things my partners and I have expected of each other, because humans need certain things.
If you live with someone who does not wash their own dishes, cannot wipe their own ass, or otherwise cannot show respect for you, don't call it altruism. That's just settling for abuse, & you ought to demand more. There is not such a thing as an unconditional love - life isn't a magical Disney film.
No one wants to be with someone who feels that loving them is somehow a favor - we all are striving to be deserving of love, while also negotiating the very real & necessary boundaries of our personhoods. Why do you need your relationships to be altruistic ?
For fuck's sake, I never said that men don't have standards.
>No one wants to be with someone who feels that loving them is somehow a favor
That's exactly how women view their relationships.
Have you ever had someone who you just want to be with, you don't even care if you're just sitting around, doing nothing, not even talking? Women will never feel that, but most men have.
I don't even think you're a man because you're acting so dumb about this.
Relationships should be altruistic because if they're not then you might as well hire a woman to spend time with you and fuck.
>Have you ever had someone who you just want to be with, you don't even care if you're just sitting around, doing nothing, not even talking?
Sure, but that's not altruism. You're just imagining a secure moment of attachment. It's not something which comes about as a result of any selfless sacrifice or purity of intention - it's the result of having already experienced all of the painfully open communication. Those are things I chose to engage in specifically because I expect to enjoy a secure & intimate relationship, and because I have judged my chosen partner's ongoing eligiblity of that role as satisfactory. They're "worth" being with.
>Relationships should be altruistic because if they're not then you might as well hire a woman to spend time with you and fuck.
That's what being someone's partner means. It means constantly putting in work, even if that work is done in an intimate sense. To call that drive altruistic is to ignore that I have (fairly particular) preferences as to what kinds of people I am interested in living my life with.
I just don't give a shit about e.g. random dumb ugly fats who can't hold a conversation, for example. If I were truly altruistic about it, wouldn't I seek out that kind of person ? I think you're deluding yourself if you think your love is altruism. That may be true in your collective sense of love, such as of your community, but rarely is it coherent interpersonally.
How is giving your time to someone without any expectation of compensation not altruism?
As for the rest, you are once again misinterpreting my point because you want to feel like you disproved it. Just fuck off already.
>How is giving your time to someone without any expectation of compensation not altruism?
Because I *am* expecting compensation - in the form of my partner's various & congruous inputs. They go to the store, get food, fill the gas tank, listen to me talk about things I know they find boring simply because I'm the one saying them, etc. I impose several restrictions upon their behavior that they willingly adhere to.
If my partner did not adhere to my expressed boundaries or other expectations, it may surprise you to hear that I might strongly consider ending our partnership.
Why should I allow it? Mistakes can be forgiven, hurt can often be healed, but I have limits just as any self-respecting creature. My partner does not question that I may do so, because I have expressed so openly. We have been together for over seven years. They know, generally, what I will & will not tolerate, & they know that the benefits of our union outweigh all costs.
>I don't even think you're a man because you're acting so dumb about this.
If you want to see my balls, I can show you, anon. You can just ask.
Are you replying to me sarcastically or are you genuine? I don't really see how anything I said was degenerate unless you mean that I want a mentally ill girl.
Do you like reading anon? I know a nice romantic story for men.
>Women only view relationships in terms of what they can gain.
Men get sex, children, free maids, free cooks. The overwhelming majority of relationships would not occur if the man did not get these things. Women enjoy companionship more than males.
>A woman will never have the altruistic desire to be with you.
Men do not enjoy women's company or interaction; men find women as a whole boring, annoying, and unpleasant. Women are the ones who actually like men as people, and enjoy talking to and spending time with them, hence why women enjoy male friends but men generally do not accept female friends.
Does someone have that screenshot of the drunk dude sperging out telling the girl the reason a guy refused to be her friend is bc women are boring
>Men get sex, children, free maids, free cooks
Only sex these days, and even then not always.
>Men do not enjoy women's company or interaction; men find women as a whole boring, annoying, and unpleasant.
Men build relationships with the women they like being around. That's why women always complain about their male friends making a move on them and why men complain about the friendzone.
>Only sex these days, and even then not always
Statistically you are incorrect. Women still do the cooking and cleaning in households - only now, in *addition* to working full time jobs.
And yeah, those relationships have whole communities where you can whine about it, it's considered a terrible relationship and people leave partners and divorce over it.
>Men build relationships with the women they like being around.
Men do not "like being around" women. It's been the common joke from the dawn of civilization that a man does everything in his power to avoid his wife except to have sex with her, the dude who stays in the bar late to avoid going home etc, and in those tropes the wife is just portrayed as average and upbeat, not even a "nagging" type.
Men select females that they find physically attractive, and tolerable. Otherwise, they select for silence/quietness and lack of clinginess, because again, they do not enjoy spending time with women. Again, men find women boring and unpleasant.
>Statistically
Oh you have stats
Post them please.
??? It is literally a well known fact, I didn't think there were people who disputed this. The numbers vary because there have been multiple studies, but all sources show women do most housework. The first one that popped up on Google was Harvard: men spend, on average, 10 minutes a day on household chores while women spend 1 hour and 20 minutes.
I see you avoided the other part of what I said.
>Have you ever had someone who you just want to be with, you don't even care if you're just sitting around, doing nothing, not even talking? Women will never feel that, but most men have
Literally this is a female experience, it's "parallel play" and associated with female psychology.
>Literally this is a female experience, it's "parallel play" and associated with female psychology
Parallel play is a child development term and not what I described
Still, men prefer solitude. The whole "just existing in each other's presence" thing is popular in wish-fulfillment cheesy women's romance novels, men in contrast find it annoying.
I think you're projecting yourself onto men without realizing you are effeminate and thereby an exception.
>still, men prefer solitude
>The whole "just existing in each other's presence" thing is popular in wish-fulfillment cheesy women's romance novels, men in contrast find it annoying.
Kek. Speak for yourself.
>Still, men prefer solitude. The whole "just existing in each other's presence" thing is popular in wish-fulfillment cheesy women's romance novels, men in contrast find it annoying.
You're either a woman or an aspie because this isn't how men think
I see no stats
You said you have stats but you don't because you are full of lies.
I now believe nothing you say.
?? I gave you the information and source. That is a statistic. Statistics aren't just percentages you know lol
No you didn't.
You made shit up then told me to google it.
You didn't actually cite anything in particular and you didn't give any sort of hard data.
Why, because you are full of lies.
>Studies say
Doesn't post studies
>Statistically
>Doesn't post statistics
What next, you will claim to have a undisclosed source who refuses to be identified for comment but is totally reliable and just trust me bro?
I posted what the statistic is and the source of the statistic. What do you want me to do, handcraft an excel table?
I never said that men like being around all women, but relationships that last are built are the man enjoying spending time with the woman. Otherwise, men would never create any kind of romantic art, stories, poetry, etc. Unless you think all of those things are created just for impressing women and men don't actually feel it. In which case, I'll save you the time to response and just call you stupid right now.
>Otherwise, men would never create any kind of romantic art, stories, poetry, etc.
This has nothing to do with their actual urges and experiences. Artistic, aesthetic romantic depictions are very different - hence why a chunk of high quality heterosexual romance content is made by gay men.
>Unless you think all of those things are created just for impressing women and men don't actually feel it.
They didn't do it to impress women either. That is not the soul of the artist. Art is not done for the sake of someone else (unless you're being paid). True, classical high quality art with soul is completely and entirely an exchange between the medium and the artist alone.
>This has nothing to do with their actual urges and experiences.
Says who? If art isn't an expression of one's feelings, desire, or at the very least, intent, then it's shitty art, isn't it?
>hence why a chunk of high quality heterosexual romance content is made by gay men
Gay men still feel the way I describe. They probably write their feelings or desires and make it heterosexual for it to sell better
>True, classical high quality art with soul is completely and entirely an exchange between the medium and the artist alone.
Yes, the art is expressing their thoughts, feelings, and desires. Art is supposed to be an expression of yourself, why would men make romantic art if not for that purpose?
Romantic art is romantic for the sake of itself, for the beauty to be appreciated in its own right. Being "oh I made it to impress a girl lol" would ruin the sentiment and beauty of the art.
Men literally say all the time that they prefer solitude and to be left alone, that women are annoying etc
Arguing with you is like arguing with an AI. You can read the word I type but you don't extrapolate the meaning behind them. It's worthless, I'm going to sleep.
not him but arguing with an AI is extremely based and they understand very well IDK wtf you sayin
>children
That is a liability, not a gain
>free maids, free cooks
bitch, half of you can't cook a bowl of pasta without damaging a kitchen and lurk in rooms that make junkie-infested subway stations look comfy
10000th thread about guys saying girls only like chad and girls saying guys only want stacey. life is nuanced. obviously if you ask someone what they want, they would want the best that can be provided because why wouldnt anybody say anything otherwise. but life works in generalities and we conform to things in our surroundings and other variables (location we are born in, job profession, mental illnesses, lifestyle, etc). attractiveness plays a big part but you cant fix that so no reason to worry about it. some ugly bitch or some balding simp guy will be with u before u die so stop whining
>some ugly bitch or some balding simp guy will be with u before u die so stop whining
the issue is it's only true for the latter.
>altruistic desire to be with you
jfl, robots are so fucking stupid and gay.
So...
Nether do men.
If they got nothing out of the relationship then why the fuck would they stick around?
Love is conditional. Romantic relationships are conditional.
The only kind of relationship where love is unconditional is between a parent and child. Even then that unconditionally is only one way. For the child even then it's still conditional.
And that unconditionally of the parents has it's limits.
Isn't that how relationships work? Give and take and seeing if you're right for each other?
Except women want to take without giving anything back
You just realizing women are incapable of ideal love? Two thousand years late to the conversation, OP.
I'm also in a relationship with a woman because of what I gain out of it. Your point?