Without God’s objective morality, this is permissible.
Without Gods objective morality, this is permissible.
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lol mariya tekuchi basedjack is permissible?
I regret to inform you that is *not* Mariya Tekuchi. The 'jak you are seeing is of Junko Furuta, and her story is perhaps one of the best arguments in favor of capital punishment
grow a pair pussy. i can name at least 10 videos worse than her story
can i get a few more horrific stories than hers for the sake of curiosity?
Not even in the top 10 of worst modern atrocities, let alone top 100 of all of history.
There are probably a dozen more horrific stories unfolding as we speak in Mexico or Burma, hell even the Ukraine.
it’s pronounced Mariya Takeuchi
It was possible with or without God's objective morality because God doesn't seem to care too much about people breaking his eternal laws
>I only follow rules when the consequence for breaking them hurts me
Only if you treat god like a subjective person, like a human. By definition god is not that, he’s objective.
Nope. "god's morality" has the same meaning as "morality according to god". That is inherently subjective. An objective morality could only exist by itself apart from god.
>substratum is impossible
Retroactively debunked by Aristotle 2500 years ago
>pure actual things are necessarily omnipotent, omniscient, perfect singular
AGENTS<<< (don't omit this you dishonest nagger)
this is really retarded
This universe's cause died on a cross 2000 years ago
I know philosophy too.
Isn't gods morals objective? Why would gods morals be right just because he created us or is more powerful?
>Isn't gods morals objective?
As you say, yes.
Except it's god's opinion on morality. That makes it subjective.
God holds no opinions. Reality itself is contingent on God. That is to say, all His whims are necessarily true and objective.
You yourself just called it a whim. That makes it subjective.
>Reality itself is contingent on God. That is to say, all His whims are necessarily true and objective.
These two sentences don't support each other.
Objectivity is contingent on omnipotence
Whoever told you about objectivity was wrong.
I thought about it for more than one hour while eating a sandwich. If you took the time to think about ideas on paper without borrowing commentaries from people doing the heavy thinking for you, you might post something worth reading for once.
Your posts are one more example of why people should read commentaries.
Your posts are one more example of why people should just blatantly paste commentaries instead of butchering the commenter's arguments on LULZ.
>I thought about it for more than one hour while eating a sandwich
how does making an effort make me wrong?!
How big was your sandwich? Mine typically take less than five minutes to get through.
>god's objective morals
Without Iron Man's sacrifice we'd all be dead right now
Marvel isn’t real
God isn't real.
marvel is real, i saw them in cinema and deep within my heart in wakanda we trust
Mocking the dead is very sinful. This post could very likely put your soul in jeopardy anon.
If natalist agree to live like her for a week I’ll renounce anti natalism
Am a firm believer in God but that winds up being horrifying since I'm also a long time gore watcher and know the fates human beings who are just smart animals get subjected to
How does God let such gruesome anguish be real like cmon bruh some of this shits ridiculously horrible
>woman got le kill im going insane hecking insane
have you no empathy?
People die all the time. I vaven't got the time to care about every one of them.
kinda proves god doesnt exist, since it happened and the people didnt hace his objective morality
>people do bad things = objective morality doesn’t exist
>objective morality exists but ummmm people dont seem to have it for some mysterious reason
Hopefully god explodes it from nothing shortly!
But there are seven universal morals found across all of human civilization?
Did god evolve these?
>o-oh there are universal morals... uhh... *fuck*
>this wasn't supposed to happen...
>uhm... BUT DID THEY COME INTO BEING BECAUSE OF GOD???
Your argument was whether or not objective morality exists (you said it doesn't), not how it came into being, and modern anthropological research greatly supports that it does, because human cultures around the globe have tended towards at least seven shared moral values throughout human history with few exceptions.
>there are universal morals
im sure if you say it again it will become true
Only god could have convinced distant cultures to all agree on the univeral morals of
- Dont hurt me
- Dont hurt my loved ones
- Dont steal from me
- Dont steal my wife
- Dont kill me
Theres aboslutely no logical process in which everyone could have agreed these were solid rules to live by
How did you figure out this isn't caused by human biology? (something people in distant cultures share)
Human biology is me wanting to have sex with minors
Gods grace is telling me no, dont do that.
I wont want to even imagine what would happen if I was an atheist
How did you figure out those desires are caused by biology, rather than God?
God wouldnt do that. God does not tempt. Satan tempts. The little boy and his little creme is satan, not God.
NTA, but wtf
An omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent god could and would defeat satan
How do you know God's desires?
objective morality exists
because we are gifted with free will, some people choose to ignore god’s morality and deliberately engage in sin
this is why satan fell
What about these guys, they aren't aware of God's "objective" law
Forgot Pic related
Some people do not have the law. But they do what the law says because their own hearts tell them to. They have a law of their own, even though they do not know the law.
>any moral system requires certain statements to be true without any proof or evidence
Why should i accept the "axiom of israeli god scripture" and not "axiom of moral reciprocity"? both statements are logically unprovable.
In fact I am more inclined to accept the latter because it fits my values more than the former which is getting reinterpreted every decade to fit newest commonly shared values.
So what if God tortures you forever if you do hurt some Japanese girl?
This still all hinges on your subjective desire to not be tortured forever.
Granting that a God exist, which grounds certain moral facts:
If the only thing you care about is hurting some Japanese girl, (you just don't care about anything else). You would be acting against all your goals and desires, if you don't hurt some Japanese girl. You would be irrational.
What happened to here is child's play compared to the fucked up shit Unit 731 of the Japanese army did
>Thousands of men, women, children, and infants interned at prisoner of war camps were subjected to vivisection, often performed without anesthesia and usually lethal. In a video interview, former Unit 731 member Okawa Fukumatsu admitted to having vivisected a pregnant woman. Vivisections were performed on prisoners after infecting them with various diseases. Researchers performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body.
>Human targets were used to test grenades positioned at various distances and in various positions. Flamethrowers were tested on people. Victims were also tied to stakes and used as targets to test pathogen-releasing bombs, chemical weapons, shrapnel bombs with varying amounts of fragments, and explosive bombs as well as bayonets and knives.
>In other tests, subjects were deprived of food and water to determine the length of time until death; placed into low-pressure chambers until their eyes popped from the sockets; experimented upon to determine the relationship between temperature, burns, and human survival; hung upside down until death; crushed with heavy objects; electrocuted; dehydrated with hot fans; placed into centrifuges and spun until death; injected with animal blood, notably with horse blood; exposed to lethal doses of X-rays; subjected to various chemical weapons inside gas chambers; injected with seawater; and burned or buried alive.
Why think that?
No! I subjectively think it's REALLY impermissible
Which God are we talking about, again? I'm pretty sure there are at least a few that would permit this under their definition of morality.
>bad thing happened so accept my book
>As Genesis shows us, the origin of sin the world is not knowledge, as is often said (as though God were interdicting our intellectual development, which would be absurd); it is knowledge of good and evil. In this context knowledge means decision. What is not acceptable to God is that we should decide on our own what is good and what is evil. Biblically, the good is in fact the will of God. That is all. What God decides, whatever it may be, is good. If then we decide what the good is, we substitute our will for God's. We construct morality when we say and do what is good, and it is then that we are sinners. To elaborate a moral system is to show oneself to be a sinner before God, not because the conduct is bad, but because, even if it is good, another good is substituted for the will of God.
Guess her love really was plastic lol
It wasn't permissible by Japanese morality.
Can anyone prove that objective morality exists in the first place? That it is anything other than the evolutionary instilled set of values and instincts that were conducive to reproduction? That it is independent of the human experience?
There are a significant amount of people who claim that one should believe in god because things like morality, beauty, and truth would be arbitrary
I’ve yet to see any reason why someone should see these things as objective
>Hur dur why don’t you kill babies for the lulz?
Why don’t you? Take a couple hundred elderly people into an undiscovered cave, kill them all, melt their bodies down, and walk out that cave. What would happen?
I don’t do bad things because they’re objectively as God says so. Why are you people purposely being dense?
>what is the euthrproo dilemma
Through effort of experience and logical reasoning humans have taken the base morals that benefit them and refined them to achieve a set of ideas that when implemented, create grounds for further development and enhance living beyond the base set of principles derived solely from need to survive.
Objective morality therefore is not just the type that is good in the immediate effect, but is the kind that further stabilises society and is reaching I to the future as productive patterns of behaviour and interactions are established.
>Why is society a positive good, how is that not tautology
Because a strong society allows you to live safely and with more abundance than the subsistence living in a weak, disorganized wilderness.
But much of our morality hinges on our evolutionary upbringing and is therefore “quasi-objective” to humans and outright subjective to any other intelligent race who evolved differently
So if god said that it's moral for you to be gangraped would it be moral?
God doesn’t make people do immoral things. Nonsense question.
Correct. Which is why gangrape is moral if God says to do it.
>I am psychologically unable to deal with the fact I live in a universe which is apathetic to the existence and behavior of human beings so I need God as a comfort blanket
A reward/punishment system is not the same as a system of morality.
It isn’t a reward/punishment system. That stuff is secondary.
Every moral system is a reward/punishment system.
Christian Universalism? Everyone goes to heaven..