Wing chun

Is Wing Chun a good martial art? What are your thoughts??

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Not in my experience unless heavily cross trained to the point it doesn't resemble Wing Chun any more.

    Some of the trapping techniques are ok in a stand up fight when used with other methods.

    But in 30 years of mixed style competitions it hasn't produced a single champion who had it as their primary style or background.

    It's adherents seem to be unable to tell movie fighting apart from real fighting.

    It also has the least conditioning work of any style I have studied (Shotokan Karate, American Kickboxing, boxing, BJJ, K1 Kickboxing, Judo, Wrestling, Muay Thai, MMA). It's proponents have no physical strength or cardio ability compared to people who do those other arts to the point I just couldn't see them lasting in a real fight..

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      > Not in my experience unless heavily cross trained to the point it doesn't resemble ___ any more.
      this should be the default response to these sorts of eh martial arts. like yah, if you alter your punch to basicly be a boxing punch or your kick is now more of a thai leg kick in your “adaption” there comes a point where the term you yse is mostly just window dressing

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      > Not in my experience unless heavily cross trained to the point it doesn't resemble Wing Chun any more.
      That’s sort of the impression I got from this video but maybe that’s what makes it “real” wing chun

    • 2 years ago
      nutefag

      this, but the fact that it doesn't really look like wing chun any more isn't really a point against wing chun, good proper fighting just looks like fighting.

      as the other guy said, its pretty good as a supplement to your foundations like boxing and wrestling.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    everything good about it has been taken over and adapted to jeet kun do

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >jeet kun do
      bruce lee barely knew kung fu, he made movies

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Almost all of the "bridging" sorts of striking is probably way better applied from the bottom position of groundwork, instead of as a standing style. The amount of people who would be interested and able in trying to adapt it to that are probably in the single digits, however.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Something I never understood about it is it seems to specialize in rushing into get in super close, but sucks at clenching, anti-grappling, throws, throw-defense, sweeps, sweep-defense, etc. of all the things you would expect a style that wanted to get in and stay in super close would have.
    It is just not optimized for the range that most of it's techniques and tactics are happiest.
    At least from my perspective. I have never formally studied the art and only got to spar dues who were formally trained in it a few times, so I am probably quite ignorant of a few thing relating to it. But still, that is my general impression of the art.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I think you're on the money. The chunner gameplan for that range doesn't make sense and they are obsessed with staying there on the centerline. You can beat up drunks with it, but you can do that with anything. Rapid-fire "chain punches" are video game logic. It is not a style grounded in reality.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Something I never understood about it is it seems to specialize in rushing into get in super close, but sucks at clenching, anti-grappling, throws, throw-defense, sweeps, sweep-defense, etc. of all the things you would expect a style that wanted to get in and stay in super close would have.
        It is just not optimized for the range that most of it's techniques and tactics are happiest.
        At least from my perspective. I have never formally studied the art and only got to spar dues who were formally trained in it a few times, so I am probably quite ignorant of a few thing relating to it. But still, that is my general impression of the art.

        It's not a sport and thus not about competition. Once you're close you hit eyes, neck or balls a weapon or whatever neutralizes the opponent. Another thing they focus is trying to find a way for crowd control which is partly futile but also gives some Jackie Chan vibes. I'd say that you can learn the getting close parts and crowd control strategies within some month and the rest of wing chun is just fooling around with other wing chun people rather than doing anything useful. Eventually your look out is making out with wooden dummies

      • 2 years ago
        nutefag

        the chain punch excersize isn't supposed to be about actually punching people that way, its supposed to be an excersize to help train you to do continuous rapid fire movements one after another without stuttering. properly executed you aren't punching over and over again, you are just making that wheel motion while your hands are doing what ever they need to do in the fight.

        but because traditional martial arts is fractured by a bunch of historical reasons that would take a while to get into, it is transformed into something moronic in alot of schools and depictions in the media.

        T. 2 years of wing chun

    • 2 years ago
      nutefag

      theres lots of different schools of wing chun and its somewhat a lost and fractured art, doesn't have the benefit of centralization and popular competition like bjj.

      three is anti grappling, clenching, throws, throw defenses, sweeps, sweep defenses. actually i would say wing chun excells the most as being helpful with grappling, although i am biased towards grappling my self so i see grappling in alot of things.

      but yea, wing chun is primarily about super close distance, and so people often make the mistake of rushing in because thats their comfort zone.

      thats one of the reasons why i say wing chun is a good supplement, should someone actually get that close to you naturally then it will help you, but you shouldn't rush in, you should just box them at a distance or do something else.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I practice judo so my striking is nonexistent but, man if you ever come that close to me in a fight you basically did all the work for me. I feel like in a fight I have to go through hell and back to get my o goshi to work and go to the ground

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        In the Jeet Kune Do syllabus you use Wing Chun parrying and trapping to go into a basic standing submission from a kickboxing range. It's the one useful application I have seen of any Wing Chun techniques and even then it's only useful after being cross trained to the point it's not Wing Chun any more.

        Weird art. Those Ip Man movies are responsible for a lot of people having an inflated opinion of their fighting abilities who are trained in it. Doesn't help its the primary kung fu style available in the West either.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Wing Chun parrying and trapping to go into a basic standing submission from a kickboxing range

          If you have video evidence then I'll shut up but this sounds like total horseshit. Standing submissions are so low percentage that they should never be your primary gameplan.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You're totally right. Our Jeet Kune Do instructor himself says 99% of your go to moves for any real self defence fight will be our boxing and kickboxing. The Wing Chun stuff in the JKD syllabus in his own words is just something we do for a bit of fun, and to use what we do in our kickboxing class for actual fighting.

            Me saying the Wing Chun in the basic JKD syllabus is the one useful application of it, is like my personal opinion man. Even my own instructor says not to take it seriously and focus on standard boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, and BJJ techniques..

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    These stupid ass CCCP propaganda movies have given every moronic kung-fu fan a completely unrealistic idea that their shitty dated art is effective.

    An average well trained boxer would fricking destroy someone trained in Wing Chun. Let alone Mike fricking Tyson or any of the other dudes Ip Man fights in these ffs.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      CCP, not CCCP.
      CCCP was the Soviet Union
      CCP is Communist China.

      Other then that I totally agree with you.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah its hilarious how TCM delusions are still running strong in current year. It's like if someone saw anime and then decided they were going to argue to their very last breath with everyone around them that its real

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I have to say for sake of semantics. Donnie Yen the actor is a very good Chinese Martial Artist and is trained in a wide range of Kung Fu techniques. It's also worth noting that the real Ip Man in history did %100 beat a load of Japanese soldiers who were trained in Karate and Judo. As well as defeating a semi-professional English Boxer.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >%100 beat a load of Japanese soldiers who were trained in Karate and Judo
        >defeating a semi-professional English Boxer

        I call bullshit. Couldn't find a single Chinese source that says any of that, and god knows they love embellishing bullshit like this. Stop wanting your favourite movies to be real.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm guessing anon confused Ip Man with Huo Yuanjia from Jet Li's movie Fearless. In the movie, he fights a profession of foreign martial artists including a karateka and a western boxer. In real life, Huo maybe fought and defeated a boxer but it's controversial if it actually happened because there's conflicting sources.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >It's also worth noting that the real Ip Man in history did %100 beat a load of Japanese soldiers
        So why didn't they just shoot him?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm guessing that anon was referring to when Ip Man worked for KMT intelligence during times of war, but that wasn't the Sino-Japanese war, but the Chinese civil war. The man was probably jumping and interrogating suspected socialists left and right, there's a reason why he refused to say anything about those days once he fled to Hong Kong. Still not a valid substitute for a fight record though, but would love to see it put to film:
          >Ip Man ripping thumbnails off a restrained, screaming prisoner
          >Clenches fist, struggling to contain his conflict
          >Questions life and shows weakness to prisoner
          >'Wtf has our country come to, pitting our own against one another-'
          >'Frick you, landowner scum, and the rest of your counter-revolutionary family too'
          >Starts chain punching him in the face repeatedly
          >Gets pulled away by colleagues
          >Close-up of his face, angry and visibly holding back tears as he holds up a bloodstained fist

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What's his competition record then? If he doesn't have a full contact combat sports wins losses records then you are being subjective by saying he is a good fighter. I can say my mom is a better fighter than him since there is objectively the same amount of evidence.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Donnie yens background is in judo, bjj and taekwon do, he didn’t even start training camp until he was preparing for his role as ip man. Why do king fu nerds feel the need to make stuff up? This is like Bruce lee and his le 500 street fight win record.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >*training CMA

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Because they seem to have brought wholesale into the fantasy kung-fu movies sell and want to believe it's real. When actual unarmed combat looks nothing like kung-fu movies.

          It looks like boxing, kickboxing, and MMA. It's messy and chaotic, highly dependent on hard physical conditioning, strength, and physical size. It comes down to a few simple techniques executed with brutality.

          It requires you to actually get punched in the face and bleed, thrown around, choked out etc. It's literally the opposite of movie kung-fu and how CMA is taught or fetishisized.

          On a subconscious level they know they are lying to themselves so are insecure. Like people instinctively know Jon Woo's Gun-Fu movies aren't what actual armed combat looks like. They know that the same is true for unarmed combat but are lying to themselves and don't want to admit it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I agree with , seems like a lot of people just want kung fu movies to be real. There's more than enough evidence that it's not the best use of your time if you want to learn how to fight. I can understand getting into it if you're obsessed with Chinese culture or think it looks pretty, but you shouldn't have any illusions about it. Even the guy who made Wing Chun famous in the west said it wasn't realistic. He would've told you to get into boxing or other stuff rather than traditional kung fu.

            Donnie yens background is in judo, bjj and taekwon do, he didn’t even start training camp until he was preparing for his role as ip man. Why do king fu nerds feel the need to make stuff up? This is like Bruce lee and his le 500 street fight win record.

            Got curious and looked up more on Donnie Yen's background. It looks like he actually learned kung fu as a kid from his mom, then trained with the Beijing Wushu Team and won some gold medals in wushu competitions. So he does have a background in kung fu, mostly stuff focused on performances like Jet Li. But yeah, he didn't train in Wing Chun until preparing for movies. Donnie Yen would also tell you to practice other things if you're interested in realistic martial arts.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      also wing chun does have footwork but the movies make it seem like all wing chun dudes just stands still

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >decade after the decade people are asking if _ing _un is good
    >the answer is still no

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I defeated several wing chun instructors.

    Protip: in chi sao, go for collar and elbow/judo clinch, then you can control them. Then, headbutt.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Pure Wing Chun gets dominanted by hardened martial arts

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Spared my friend who trained in it and won with some boxing fundamentals so from light experience no.
    Tbh with mastery it might not be bad but against muay that/ boxing naaah

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wing Chun is not a complete system. Any experienced Chinese Martial Artist will tell you that. It lacks in limb manipulation, movement flexibility, and grappling. It's a fantastic art to learn some forms on the Wooden Dummy. You'll learn extremely effectual blocks and strikes that come directly straight at you on the center line. But really you should use Wing Chun as an addition to your practice. Long Fist or Praying Mantis would be a better, more rounded Chinese Martial Art. Where adding Wing Chun would only make you a better fighter.

    • 2 years ago
      nutefag

      wing chun is meant to be like the cliff notes of fighting and its addressed in a really academic way.

      the pros is that it can help introduce really soft people to fighting and help harden them

      the cons is that people can stay in that comfort zone and not go past it to more intense and realistic fighting.

      • 2 years ago
        nutefag

        another pro is that there is academic and nuanced, and even energy (if you want to be a hippy gay about it which i am) components to fighting and while kung fu gays can get lost in the sauce, alot of western martial arts can neglect these, and that same man without sauce is lost.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Quality control in Wing Chun is wild. Some gyms can basically be kickboxing gyms while others are complete trash.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like most Wing Chun schools are very poor, but some have more sparring than others and even compete. I've seen some a couple practitioners out there like Qi La La having some level of success using it, at least on an amateur level. And then there's rare people like Alan Orr and Francis Fong doing interesting work with Wing Chun along with other stuff on top of it. Those places are good, but they're also pretty far from standard Wing Chun.

      From what I've seen, it shares a lot of issues with other traditional styles. It's not totally without value, but it's really hard to justify recommending it over more practical martial arts unless you find one of those rare schools that isn't anything like the average Wing Chun place.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I would say it only works cross trained with Muay Thai or Karate. If you then fight bareknuckle or in MMA gloves the Wing Chun parrying and trapping becomes somewhat useful. But by that point it no longer resembles Wing Chun..

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Orr is a funny case. I'll give him credit because he has proven himself capable of training guys that win fights. Amateur stuff, but whatever. Thing is, it just looks like boxing to me. Once you get rid of all the trapping shit, the focus on centerline, the stupid arm punches, the fancy parries, it just looks like boxing with an emphasis on clinching range. Doesn't resemble stereotypical Wing Chun at all. But I mean, what's the point of doing all this chi sau shit if when you actually stand and bang, you just turn into a boxer? Wouldn't your time be better spent with more typical boxing training? The Wing Chun bits of his program seem like useless and ornamental baggage. It is "making Wing Chun work," but it's going out of your way to do that, and maybe to your detriment.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >But I mean, what's the point of doing all this chi sau shit if when you actually stand and bang, you just turn into a boxer? Wouldn't your time be better spent with more typical boxing training?
          Yeah, I thought the exact same thing and almost added it to my post. You have to wonder if the effort is even worth it when there's already functional martial arts you could be spending your time on. I mean I do think it's kinda interesting trying to take styles and reform them, and maybe there's something you'll get something out of it. Or maybe you're just wasting your time reinventing the wheel, because you're too fixated on the idea of styles.
          >It is "making Wing Chun work," but it's going out of your way to do that, and maybe to your detriment.
          Basically this.

          I would say it only works cross trained with Muay Thai or Karate. If you then fight bareknuckle or in MMA gloves the Wing Chun parrying and trapping becomes somewhat useful. But by that point it no longer resembles Wing Chun..

          >But by that point it no longer resembles Wing Chun..
          Mostly yeah. I guess some aspects of it can be useful as a supplement like you're saying though. But I'm guessing you don't need to spend years on Wing Chun to pick those things up.

          Wooden dummies are cool though.

          • 2 years ago
            nutefag

            it is useful to focus on delicate manuevers and subtleties in fighting.

            but alot of kung fu gays get carried away and try to make fighting all about subtley and nuance and won't admit that sometimes you gotta just stand and bang.

            but chi sau is legit a useful excersize. its not real sparring but it is comeptitive and a useful game.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Wooden dummies are cool though.
            I would unironically train on one because it just seems cool as shit and it actually might help with some specific types of conditioning like say simulating blocking at an angle or some shit. That's all I can come up with considering wing chun is basically ultra fast block/parry anime shit

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Dude with 1 Year of Wing Chun getting absolutely destroyed by dude with just *3* MMA lessons. Been telling your CMA dorks it flat out doesn't fricking work.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Are you the guy from the other thread with two weeks of training? Post a video of the same with judo, kyokushin, or tae Kwon do since those are all the martial arts you supposedly think you can take anyone in now.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Kek. U still mad homosexual. MMA is objectively superior to those shitty web arts. Stay angry dork.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >mixed martial arts is superior to the arts that make up mixed martial arts
          Ok

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            TKD shitty foot fencing
            Kyokushin got knocked out by an average boxer since they don't have head shots

            Boxing, wrestling, Muay Thai, BJJ beat all. Everything else is pointless for actually learning to fight.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Ok go prove it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There's 40 years of mixed style vs style competitions showing this. Those 4 styles in combination beat all (so including modern K1/Unified Kickboxing and no-Gi/submission wrestling). Other arts are fine for other reasons like self development or just because you enjoy them, but for actual hand to hand combat between 2 people that combination is the most effective use of your time by some distance.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I think metrics that should be added are:
            How many fighters use this style? If two styles are equal in efficiency, the one with more users is more likely to produce a champion.
            What is the competitive scene like for the styles? Is it the ones who can't make it competitively in their own style who switch to MMA, or is it strong competitors in their own style?

            I also think style combinations are more interesting than primary style. What other styles did those 12 primary boxing champions train in compared to the 6 primary kickboxers or 4 primary muay thai champions? What other styles did those primary wrestling or BJJ champions train in?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I can tell you right off the bat that this chart is moronic and also wrong. 1 karate champion? Lyoto machida and GSP were both karate specialists. I’m not even going to bother to look at the rest

            Also I’m guessing you’re not the guy I was originally responding to but he has less than a month of training and is convinced he could take a whole kyokushin or judo dojo. That level of moronation is different from saying some styles are more effective than others at the highest level of competition.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Dunno if it was me you were arguing with or another argument about the effectiveness of TMA that happens here. But literally no one ever said that. I have said full contact combat sports like boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, wrestling, ADCC submission grappling, and MMA are more effective than kung-fu, karate, tkd, judo, aikido, and even IBJJF BJJ.

            Someone with 3 weeks kickboxing will beat someone with 3 weeks karate, someone with 3 weeks MMA will beat someone with 3 weeks kung-fu, etc. Due to how they are taught. Not that a Kyokushin black belt won't beat someone new to kickboxing let alone an entire dojo.

            So for most people for self-defense and learning to actually fight a better use of their time is to learn boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, submission grappling, or MMA. That doesn't mean TMA don't have value vs Western combat sports and modern hybrid martial arts, just that they are objectively less effective or efficient to learn for actually fighting in the short to medium term. Understand?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Mixing the best aspects of each and removing what doesn't work and isn't pratical is worse than the focusing on all of the aspects of one
            Ok moron

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            MMA is not a system of martial arts in and of itself it’s a ruleset you double moron. There’s no “only picking what’s best and removing the rest” because what’s going to work best for an individual fighter is going to be different depending on their game. Even if you wanted to create an MMA specific system (an ultimate fighting style, if you will) you’re not going to actually create a superior martial art, it’ll just be another system to draw from.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            A lot of data shows that some styles are objectively superior to others.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There are arts better suited for real fighting than others (specifically combat sports that actually fight) but you’re leaving out the human component with autistic analysis like this. Like, is shotokan the best striking art just because machida dominated with it? No, because shotokan didn’t win machida was just an absolute madman. They even have cris cyborg listed when analyzing womens mma as if being a man beating the frick out of women isn’t going to completely skew the data. None of this even matters though because mma isn’t it’s own martial art, you tard.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            At no point did I say MMA was its own art. I'm not the person you were arguing with. What is objectively demonstratable is that some arts are more effective than others? And Wing Chun, Aikido, TKD aren't them by any measure. What can be further shown but is arguable is that it's only worth learning boxing, wrestling, kickboxing/Muay Thai, and BJJ.

  14. 2 years ago
    nutefag

    chi sau, and all the manuevers in wing chun which no one knows about because they all only know chain punch, are all extremely helpful for things like hand fighting in judo or bjj

    T. i've done wing chun, aikido, bjj and kickboxing.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Its interesting, but like the first guy said without crosstraining its useless. I've been training muay thai for a bit over a year and spar with a guy who does it and its like sparring a spazzy beginner honestly

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      My martial arts school's head coach, literally said today after the class with it in that for self-defense situations Wing-Chun shouldn't be used. Kek. He said it's just a bit of fun we do for something light in between kickboxing and BJJ lessons, and if someone starts with you to use basic kickboxing and primarily basic boxing at that.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I had done ving tsun for about 3 to 4 years so this is my personal experience. Is it a good martial art? Yes, it can be, no doubt. I grew up with Kyokushin and muay thai before jumping on the ving tsun train, and that made a huge difference in my opinion. As I already knew how to kick and punch and defend strikes and kicks, ving tsun can be considered a fine tuning martial art. It adds an extra layer to what you already know and changes the way you fight.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    its very easy to determine the answer yourself about these sort of "its it effective" questions.

    Do you see it in the UFC or MMA in any recognizable form? No? then its shit and a waste of time.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Arguing that would be assuming MMA has already reached its peak as a sport, which it hasn't.

      It's also stupid because self-defense follows a different logic and things that would be stupid in sports-fighting are either viable or even outright correct in self-defense (and vice-versa).

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Not him but while you may be correct in some specific cases, in most of the ways that matter the other anon is correct. Combat sports are going to make you better equipped for real fighting than camo pants or chop suey larp. There may be some stuff from weirdo niche systems that hasn’t been properly utilized yet but the layman isn’t going to be the one to figure it out. Just do combat sports.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm of the opinion of "start with combat sports, then figure out what you actually want". Someone that already has a good base will have an easier time finding out the good TMA places that actually creates fighters, and someone with a good base can make even a middling TMA school work for them if they know what they're doing with their training.

          This doesn't make TMAs less valuable; onmce you've achieved basic fighting profficiency,the rest of your journey is customizing your fighting style to a way that works from you,and TMAs have tons of tools that other styles don't.

          And, controversial take, but: If you care about self-defense, you'll get more mileage out of three years of combat sports followed by a lifetime of TMA than you will out of a lifetime of combat sports. Combat sports training leave some blind spots that can be dangerous if you believe this is all there is to fighting. These blindspots are fixable within combat sports schools themselves,but most places don't - just like fundamental functional fighting skills are possible to be developed in TMA schools,but most places don't.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Absolutely agree with this. Hence I think Wing Chun is useful *if* you already have a good kickboxing base. Even something derided like Aikido is useful if you already have a good BJJ base. The issue is people thinking arts like Wing Chun or Aikido make good bases. They also have other values like cultural preservation too.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    fricking communists jfc

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wing Chun primarily survived in Hong Kong. It's not Communist in any way, you fricking spaz.

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