Why were conquistadors so hell bent on making sure that Mesoamerican history was completely destroyed?

Why were conquistadors so hell bent on making sure that Mesoamerican history was completely destroyed?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was pagan and thus an abhorrent thing to God

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So you would tear down all the Roman and Greek temples then as well? Literally ISIS tier

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Literally ISIS tier
        These people came from a history of inquisitions where questioning god even the slightest was punished. They then come into a city that glorifies a different deity, and you know the rest.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So you would tear down all the Roman and Greek temples then as well?
        They converted to Christianity and spread it across Europe and the Mediterranean.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        No Aztec culture specifically was an affront to all that is good.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The smallpox crap is fake.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your pic was never real and you know it retard.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They weren't, they recorded a lot of mesoamerican history themselves, most spaniards at the time who had actually been to the region had a certain degree of respect towards mesoamericans, they considered them to be civilized and reasonable men whose great civilization was unfortunately brought low by their admitedly barbaric religion, ironically, a much more favorable view on them than most people who idolize the spanish empire or the conquistadors have today.
      That being said, they did despise their religion for obvious reasons, and the burning of mesoamerican books by the spanish were done under the assumption that they were all religious in nature rather than any desire to erase their history, Diego de Landa, the spanish friar who's infamous for burning Maya books, is also one of the most important sources on pre-columbian Maya civilization and culture and his work plated an important role on the decipherment of the Maya script (which he burned a lot of examples of but whatever) though it obviously doesn't excuse what he did, it'd be better hearing from the Maya themselves rather than a fanatic friar full of biases after all.
      So while they did destroy a lot of mesoamerican history, it was most certainly not on purpose.

      You can go to Mexico city and see what remains of it yourself.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Someone post the before and after pictures of when Mexico "restored" the historical sites. It's a farce. I don't have the pics saved dammit

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I got you.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Damn all this and the scientific community acts like the Bosnian pyramids are the work, kek.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          So they removed some dirt and it's not a real pyramid or something?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            no they built using modern techniques on top of the historical site on and off for about 50 years

            there was stone there a long time ago, but what is there now doesn't reflect the scene at that time because they used modern construction techniques and cement iirc

            there's some political and tourism interest involved, to the detriment of it's archaeological vaule

            many such cases

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          We wuz Mesoamerikangz n sheeeit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Glad someone is saying it. This mesokangz stuff is bullshit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      how can we know all that empty space between the buildings wasn't covered with stuff like pic related

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christians believe any non Christian religion is influenced by demons (they are) so destroying all fruits of that and replacing them with Christian civilization is the thing to do. And instead of killing everyone like most conquerors, they were converted (though that was mostly the blessed virgin of Guadalupe and not Spain directly)

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mesoamericans were worshiping demons and practicing human sacrifice. obliterating their culture was the correct thing to do morally.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't usually agree with you christcucks depicting every religion that's not yours as worshipping demons but you're on the money with this one, that shit was demonic as fuck

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Other pagan cultures did equally abhorrent shit you just have a romanticized view of them as proto-Christians (a myth started by Christians who were ignorant about their history)

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Weird ceremonies at times do not anywhere near equate to that societal wide death cult that demanded human sacrifice on an obscene scale. Nothing wrong with a wholesome blot every 9 years or so, though.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Human sacrifice in most mesoamerican cultures was something that happened in certain rituals that happened in certain dates and after war, it didn't reach anywhere near an "obscene scale", and even amongst the Aztecs, the ones that did do a lot more human sacrifice than everyone else in the region, the only thing they did differently from their predecessors and comtemporaries was sacrifice every enemy warrior they could capture, all of whom would've died just died in the battlefield anyway in a different context.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >all of whom would've died just died in the battlefield anyway in a different context.

              So it was not possible for the natives to take captives without sacrificing them? Why do you say that they would have died anyway? This sounds like the argument that European battles were just as deadly, the only difference being that the natives postponed the actual killings until their rituals. So in this "different context" you either win the battle or die?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They were just delaying the apocalypse

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christians at the time were burning people at the stake in the name of their deity, what’s the difference?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Difference is that these people were believed to have committed crimes against god (and thus against the current and local law)
        They weren't innocents randomly picked to be sacrificed
        Burning at the stake was more akin to executing criminals than to ritual human sacrifice

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'd rather have my heart ripped out in some awesome spiritual performance to feed quetzalcoatl than be broken on the fucking wheel for witchcraft or something else stupid. Besides, most victims were captured enemy soldiers, not random civilian slaves.

          Mesoamericans were worshiping demons and practicing human sacrifice. obliterating their culture was the correct thing to do morally.

          The Aztecs, Mixtecs, and a few others also had paper documents that recorded things ranging from history and religious rituals to tax records. From the eight surviving Mixtec codices, we can reconstruct the history of this one valley in Oaxaca going back 800 years. I think we can safely assume that had the other books survived, we would have something approaching a complete history of Mesoamerica at least going back to the Early Postclassic, and in some regions probably earlier.

          The Spanish book burnings and whatnot is why we talk about Mesoamerica in archaeology classes and not history classes. There's nothing moral about it, it's one of these events that makes me sick to my stomach every time I think about it. Repent.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'd rather have my heart ripped out in some awesome spiritual performance to feed quetzalcoatl than be broken on the fucking wheel for witchcraft or something else stupid.
            found you demon spawn

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Repent
            No. If the mesoamericans had wanted to survive they could have won the war. They weren't an inferior breed of people, but their way of life was.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              They already won the war. There were indios on both sides of the conquest wars.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Can you provide me on a source for the first claim, I need it to debate a friend who claims the Aztecs essentially used the tribes they allowed to live for human sacrifice

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              NTA but your friend is wrong, he greatly misunderstands how both the Aztec empire and the practice of human sacrifice was like, firstly there were no tribes amongst the Aztecs, every single one of the peoples they conquered were city-dwelling pyramid-building peoples who were generally culturally identical to the Aztecs themselves, secondly the main reason they conquered was to vassalize city-states so they extract tribute in the form of material goods, be it luxury stuff like rubber balls, cotton cloaks or precious feathers or actually practical things like stones for construction, so it's odd for him to specify "tribes they allowed to live", since the entire point of Aztec conquest was to get people to make and give them shit, something that an empty genocided city-state can't really do. Human sacrifice as tribute is also not something that happened, the bulk of Aztec sacrifices were enemy soldiers, who were specifically RECQUIRED to be captured in battle, they didn't just send anyone to be sacrificed. Your friend probably got the idea from some spanish sources apparently claiming that Montezuma told Cortez that he kept Tlaxcala (a place that was NOT part of the Aztec empire and in fact did a pretty good job at beating them back, so the Aztecs were in no position to decide whether they lived or not) around as a source of sacrifices, but that's unlikely since the Aztecs were most certainly attempting to actually conquer them, by turning their former allied states against them, cutting them off fr trade, etc.

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              how can we know all that empty space between the buildings wasn't covered with stuff like pic related

              Because 16th century europeans walked around them, desribed them, and by doing so made it pretty clear that mesoamericans put all their pyramids and temples in big sacred plazas specifically reserved for such buildings, around which the other buildings of the cities were built.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They could have been cleared out for the visitors.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think it's safe to say that the fancy religious and civic plazas were probably kept clear of the plebs and only used for ceremony and a place for the wealthy and powerful to occasionally gather. Most societies have a "no smelly commoners allowed except on certain holidays and only if they stay in their designated area" zone. Why would the Aztecs be any different?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Most societies have a "no smelly commoners allowed except on certain holidays and only if they stay in their designated area" zone
                Counterpoint. That area was converted into a market and this made Jesus very angry.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          there's no difference. everyone executed war captives back then. christians also burned israelites, "witches", pretty much anyone they disliked, and fought wars against themselves because of slight differences in opinions on their religion

          mesoamericans just executed their war captives in a more dramatic way than the rest of the world, and everyone thinks they're cruel for it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mesoamerican sacrifices weren't random innocents either it that's what you're trying to imply, in the vast majority of cases they were enemy soldiers and nobles who were ready to do the same thing to you if you lost, and whenever that wasn't the case it was slaves

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mesoamericans were worshiping demons and practicing human sacrifice
      So, they're exactly like christians?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Human sacrifice wasn't part of Christian doctrine and rarely happened in Western Societies. Human sacrifice was systematic and part of the ritual beliefs of Mesoamericans, so, no, not at all comparable.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't you dumb fuck. Their history was preserved orally, and the Spanish went around preserving all the stories that they could find in the years after the conquest.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Their history was preserved orally
      Not really, quite a few surviving mesoamerican codices, mostly Mixtec ones, are historical records of lineages and whatnot, they contain enough information in them to the point we know quite a lot about 11th century Oaxaca and one specific individual from there, and the spaniards themselves mentioned thet they recorded history with their codices, be it with true writing in the Maya area or pictographic glyphs everywhere else in the region.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The codices were mostly image based mnemonic aids for transmitting oral information. They would be rather difficult to decipher without any tradition.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fat kot

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The meds got their entire civilization from the Near East and were mud hut African-tier peoples beforehand

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the near east was so advanced that ooga boogaing Europeans got everything they had from them, meaning monkey euros weren't shit without the East
      I don't think that's the insult you were hoping for, my Nordoid friend

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's your point here?

      We're talking Seljuk nomads and Babylonians versus.... literally no civilization at all. Yeah, what a yard stick to measure by, buddy.

      Greeks arguably did it better anyway, capitalizing on the profits of trade by access to the sea.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    give away your computer if you think Northern Europe is uncivilized
    stop using their primitive constructions.

  8. 2 months ago
    Scrumptious Scribbler

    Stop saying random words you schizo -SS

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a bullshit narrative made up in order to keep the men out of trouble (they were technically part of a mutiny led by Cortez and pursued by the Spanish governor of Cuba) and erroneously applied to the rest of Mesoamerica. indian converts were taught Nahuatl in the form of written language by Jesuits around the 1570s and much of their oral history was preserved in codices.
    I say oral and not true written, because they had some weird pictographs that only some classes of priest could actually read and understand.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Demons and deb'bils were thought to be everywhere in their society!! They and their culture had to be destroyed to make room for another human sacrifice cult -Catholicism! There should be no surprises here. The first official Thanksgiving was the Pilgrim/Puritan celebration honoring an Indian genocide!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The first official Thanksgiving was the Pilgrim/Puritan celebration honoring an Indian genocide!

      Source?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The smallpox crap is fake.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it could have been a threat for later revolts. Later they found out indians were dying by the thousands from epidemics every some years but they already pacted with local indigenous lords to leave some priviledges untouched.

    The anti-colonial movements you see in the contemporary era (neozapatista, mayan revolts, andean hostility and mapuche terrorism) are only a hint of what could have happened if diseases didn't destroy indios.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly? Unfortunate circumstances and timing. Spain completed the reconquista of Grenada in 1491. The Spanish were all hopped up on ISIS tier fundamentalism when they got into contact with the Spanish. Couple that with their susceptibility to Old World diseases the natives really got fucked over to just a sad degree.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      ehhh looking at the entire following history of European colonization and imperialism, it wouldn't have made much difference how extra devout the Spanish were at the time. the Europeans powers fucked up everybody they could.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Northern Europeans built the entirety of modern civilization and put a flag on the moon. Whichever of those groups you posted were your "my ancestor :)", you won't be in the same class as us for another millennia, and by then we will own the stars

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    turns out being chad sailors is more useful than being a stone mason

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why would spain at the height of the inquisition want to wipe out pagans who practiced human sacrifice
    gee, it's a mystery

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >cherrypicking this hard

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >nordcuck hut but big
      wow

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      LMAO

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        >cherrypicking this hard

        What’s wrong with this?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >nordic engineering
      Kek

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        medtranny cope

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine self-fellating over a pile of rocks while Nord gigachads bull you, topkek.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    how the fuck did they destroy tenochtitlan's pyramids?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Who is "they"? Hernan and his men didn't really do anything to them aside from removing idols and superficial damage.

      It was mostly friars and plebs in the following centuries who took stone from old sites to build churches and homes.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if cuckquistadors never stole mesoamerican food, the entire European cuisine would be nonexistent. This is what made them seethe so much, that praying to different gods gave them super delicious tomatoes and potatoes and all else.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >introduces meat into your diet of almost exclusively beans and corn.
      Nothing personnel ked.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >what are turkeys, guinea pigs, bison and llamas

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Meso america only had one of those. If you discount eating chihuahuas that is.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Meso america only had one of those. If you discount eating chihuahuas that is.

        Cortes wrote:
        >... as well as green grocer streets where one could buy "every sort of vegetable, especially onions, leeks, garlic, common cress and watercress, borage, sorrel, teasels and artichokes; and there are many sorts of fruit, among which are cherries and plums like those in Spain."
        >There were stores in streets that specialized in "game and birds of every species found in this land: chickens, partridges and quails, wild ducks, fly-catchers, widgeons, turtledoves, pigeons, cane birds, parrots, eagles and eagle owls, falcons, sparrow hawks and kestrels [as well as] rabbits and hares, and stags and small gelded dogs which they breed for eating."
        >They sell chicken and fish pies, and much fresh and salted fish, as well as raw and cooked fish. They sell hen and goose eggs, and eggs of all the other birds I have mentioned, in great number, and they sell tortillas made from eggs.
        tldr: They had meat you retard. The conquistadors were shitting their pants at this stuff.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    anyone got a link that gives some detail on what the policy was and how they enforced it? i know that landa travelled through several villages burning everything he could find but it was just one guy, right? or was this on direct orders of the king and every spanish monk and mayor did the same in their town

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    demonic continent and people

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    people back then used plague to clear out land. parthians did it to rome, muslims did it to europe, spaniards did it to the americans

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      plague came to Yroop from China no?

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Their culture was a threat to the power structures of the Christian church, which was also seen as the origin of the pre-sciences, thus the key source of understanding the world - theological theory.

    If you lose faith in that institution, you've got one hell of an existential crisis and thus power vacuum in Europe, and Lord in Heaven Above knows how much fucking ruinous chaos that could have wrought.

    So wipe their culture out, convert them, and enslave them. Of course, plenty European intellectuals embraced multi-culturalism upon discovering native americans, as it completely destroyed ancient sources of geographical knowledge.

    One could easily argue that discovering the New World lead to speeding up the desire to discover and learn about the world, and thus the sciences.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hijacking your thread. How did native culture meld with Spanish culture to create Mexico, or was there no melding and it was just Spain enforcing everything from the home country? Was there any syncretism, if so, what?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >How did native culture meld with Spanish culture to create Mexico, or was there no melding and it was just Spain enforcing everything
      The mixing of the two cultures is a long-winded series of events following the fall of Tenochtitlan to baptized Indians all the way to the decades following the independent country's founding.
      >from the home country? Was there any syncretism, if so, what?
      Early New Spain was populated by a small class of Spanish settlers who enjoyed more rights than the indios and nogs. There was a caste system in place that was subject to many reforms over the course of the 17th-19th centuries, but the regional culture of Mexico was defined(ie less identical to Spain) by the various revolts preceding the Mexican-American War.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        So basically after the Triple-Alliance fell, even the surviving Indians such as the Tlaxcala had no real influence?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          they had influence in the beginning, but their population was decreasing quickly from disease while Mexico City was growing extremely fast.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The disease crap is fake obviously, if that's your point then the entire thread is mentally retarded and you must be the guy spamming it every day.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Even in primary sources they note the drastic change of population

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Tlaxcalans were converted to Christianity and their kingdom was incorporated into the viceroyalty. They were used as vassals to conquer many parts of Mexico including modern cities as afar north as Nuevo Leon. The kingdom of Tlaxcala only actually ceased to exist when the state reorganized into the Mexican Empire following independence in 1821.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    bump

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it was like SA's equivalent of the WEF but they were open about sacrificing children.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    To them, everything about Mesoamerican culture Civilization was of the Bad Ol' Deb'bil! Their writing was all deb'bilish, therefore, like in Mexico, the deb'bilish scrolls had to be burned and were by "Spanish friar (or fray), and later bishop of Yucatan, Diego de Landa [who is most famous for his fervor in destroying Maya codices, as well as for the detailed description of Maya society on the eve of the conquest recorded in his book, Relación de las Cosas de Yucatan." Later, he may have realized what a complete and total ass he had been.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why were conquistadors so hell bent on making sure that Mesoamerican history was completely destroyed?
    Gee idk why dont you tie down a little girl and rip out her beating heart while she struggles and screams, then eat it in front of your dinner party. Then donit 900 more times. See how your own friends handle it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Never happened

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      We're talking about Mesoamerica.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They had to delay the apocalypse anon

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thanks to a strong eductaional foundation, Aztec society developed a complex writing, they were excellent in engineering and architecture, they had a good calendar

    The popcorn we know today, was introduced through the Aztecs. The Spaniards spread throughout the world. Hot chocolate is also an Aztec legacy, who used cocoa beans as currency.

    In peacetime, Aztec warriors would have intellectual evenings that included smoking cigars, drinking hot chocolate, sharing and reciting poetry that was accompanied by musical instruments, mostly percussion.

    The themes included questioning the reality of life or if they lived in a dream and life after death

    Destroying a group’s sense of identity is one of the best ways of forcing them to accept yours and part of the whole Conquista was to spread Catholicism.

    By destroying texts, be them sacred or not, idols, sacred sites and the likes, the Spanish would, in theory, have an easier time converting the natives to their religion.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Pizarro
      >Aztecs
      wtf is that filename

  29. 2 months ago
    DoctorGreen

    Question: what did mesoamericans think of whistling inside?

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they were brown and ugly looking creatures who needed to be put in their rightful place, as servants to their Hispanic conquerors

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