Why was the Nasser era Egyptian army so comically incompetent?

Why was the Nasser era Egyptian army so comically incompetent?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He has a high school degree and grossly corrupt/nepotistic. His military generals were chasing sexy film actresses and didn't care about preparing for war.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    gaining uncontested control of the suez canal is "comically incompetent"?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They lost the war.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They held out pretty well facing two super powers and isreal, without aerial cover

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          what levels of cope are we operating right now

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How am I coping? Egypt was weaker but they manged to fight long enough for their benefits.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Again, no. Egypt couldve done much better with the weaponry available to it
            They had their entire airforce laying out in the open desert without hangars for fricks sake

            Read an offhand IDF general's account that said he respected the Egyptian peasant soldier as they may have been dull but they were stoic, inured to hardship, courageous and all but the officers were
            >Why Arabs lose wars
            tier
            And something mildly again with Jordanians. That said they did a fricking ball up job with Sadat so probably the six year war humiliation caused some short-term changes. At the end of the day though Arab armies are more about internal security than external activity. Israeli ambassador to the US awhile back said Egypt's yemen war was such a mess it was less Egypt's Vietnam and more Vietnam was "America's Yemen".

            Still appreciate Nasser for the flaws though. I love how much he dabbed on the Muslim Brotherhood.

            >Read an offhand IDF general's account that said he respected the Egyptian peasant soldier as they may have been dull but they were stoic, inured to hardship, courageous and all but the officers were
            Do you know what its called? I would very much like to read that

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Egypt did npt hold out well and commited several major mistakes in their military engagement with both israel and superpowers that made their position much worse than it had to be

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >facing two super powers
          >actually believing the Egyptian cope that America and the British aided Israel
          >ignoring that the Soviets kept sending billions worth of military aid and advisors

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >America and the British aided Israel
            Not the US, but Britain. They literally invaded Egypt together.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >post ww2 france and UK
          >super powers
          Lmao
          The real super powers of that time (americans and soviets)
          Saved Egypt from invasion by pressuring the euros.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    His army wasn't bad or incompetent, he was just kinda stupid and had fraud generals in charge, but tbh he started to take it seriously after the six day war and kicked out all the shitty generals.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >his army wasn't bad or incompetent; it's leadership was bad and incompetent!
      KEK

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Good soldiers don't win wars, good leadership does.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Read an offhand IDF general's account that said he respected the Egyptian peasant soldier as they may have been dull but they were stoic, inured to hardship, courageous and all but the officers were
    >Why Arabs lose wars
    tier
    And something mildly again with Jordanians. That said they did a fricking ball up job with Sadat so probably the six year war humiliation caused some short-term changes. At the end of the day though Arab armies are more about internal security than external activity. Israeli ambassador to the US awhile back said Egypt's yemen war was such a mess it was less Egypt's Vietnam and more Vietnam was "America's Yemen".

    Still appreciate Nasser for the flaws though. I love how much he dabbed on the Muslim Brotherhood.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I think in general the Arab armies ended up with criminally incompetent officers because they oversaw bloated militaries -- much larger than they shouldn't have in a normal situation -- propped up by foreign funding and support, either to park boots on top of the oil resources or because they were playing off the Cold War to get gibs from the U.S. or Soviets.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It’s also that because they had an inherently unstable strongman-based political culture, the leaders really didn’t trust their armies as much as people in west do, meaning that they were afraid to run it on too meritocratic principles, instead filling positions based on loyalty, not skill.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        How come Egypt didn't do what most ASEAN nations are doing today and use the money and aid they got from playing the superpowers off of each other to solve domestic issues and advance their economies instead of autistically funneling it into a corrupt military?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Because the military is the real government, moron

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >almost starts WW3 while off his face on painkillers and amphetamines
    based

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Real answer:
    Abdel Hakim Amer preserved the army secret intelligence network from the Free Officers and corruption became rapant among the elite officers.

    Amer was a moron and should have been executed well before he tried to his autistic coup attempt after fricking losing in 1967

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He was a fairly competent statesman with a lot charisma that can charm the masses, but a horrible war leader and foreign policy maker. He should have focused on egyptian nationalism and internal policy rather than spreading panarabism and antagonizing everyone.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >competent statesman
      ????

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    yeah you could probably call his own army publicly executing their own commander and chief pretty comically incompetent

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      no wait, that was Sadat, ignore me

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Egyptian military is a mechanism for ownership, governance, and wealth rather than a military.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There hasn't been a single competent egyptian army in 2000 years, maybe more. The mamluks were turkic tribesmen from today's ukraine, russia and kazakhstan.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The egyptian army under mehemt ali was pretty damn competent, though he brought in frrnch officers to train them

      >The Greeks had not expected Ibrahim Pasha to land during the stormy winter weather, and were taken by surprise.[151]The Greeks initially laughed at the Egyptian soldiers, who were short, skinnyfallāḥīn(peasant) conscripts, many of them blind in one eye owing to the prevalence of parasitic worms that attacked the eye in the Nile, wearing cheap red uniforms comprising a jacket, trousers and a skull-cap.[152]However, the Greeks soon learned that the Egyptians, who were trained by French officers recruited by Mohammed Ali, were tough and hardy soldiers who, unlike the Turkish and Albanian units that the Greeks had been fighting until then, stood their ground in combat.[152]Ibrahim proceeded todefeat the Greek garrisonon the small island ofSphacteriaoff the coast of Messenia.[153]With the Greeks in disarray, Ibrahim ravaged the Western Peloponnese and killedPapaflessasat theBattle of Maniaki.[154]

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Muhammad Ali was albanian.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, but the army itself was egyptian

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