Why was the crowd so fascinated by self-harm? Why wasn't the film about Savage banned?

Why was the crowd so fascinated by self-harm?
Why wasn't the film about Savage banned?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because it was kino of the highest order.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: gammas discuss books

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why you are in this thread if you haven't read the book its about. Go away.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My dumb ideas:
    + There's some kind of religious or self destructive part that is core to being human. The viewers can't even fathom this and just treat it as another entertainment.
    + similar to before, but they see it as just another novelty. I think it's most significant because a normal person would be alarmed or worried if they saw self harm.
    +something something about the relationship between pain and being human.

    My English teacher in HS said he had some ideas about how the self harm and suicide fit in, but it was the only part he wasn't confident about.

    • 1 year ago
      Strange Love

      They went all orgy porgy about it, that is a main point here. Killing and fricking are very much related concepts in the human mind (due to our particular evolutionary path of secondary or even tertiary kill instinct ...), the naive infantilized masses ofc had no concept of the dangers of violence and fell back to baseline herdthink / instinct.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They went all orgy porgy about it, that is a main point here. Killing and fricking are very much related concepts in the human mind (due to our particular evolutionary path of secondary or even tertiary kill instinct ...), the naive infantilized masses ofc had no concept of the dangers of violence and fell back to baseline herdthink / instinct.

      If you connect the final part to the orgy-porgy from the middle, then a certain connection between relligion/spiritualism and sex unveils itself. The 'Coming of Higher Being' is definitely a religious ritual, but it is not treated as such. It creates tension, passion in the spirit which is then released through sexual intercourse.

      This is not a random occurrence, people are conditioned to release their inner feelings that way. Thus, when the people saw the Savage doing something religious? It's only natural for them to try and release their feelings which they are barely concious of.

      Haxley had always been fascinated by the connection between spiritualism and intimacy, he wrote about religions and similar topics in Doors of Perception and other books. His last book, Island - which was also a story about Utopia - continues this topic by introducing a society where people learn in schools about Love and spiritual yoga of sex since turning 14.

      The interesting thing, however, is the seemingly changed view of the narrator when compared to BNW. It was around 30 years between those two books, BNW relatively early in Huxley's career, Island at its very end, released post-humously. And the difference seems clear. Huxley no longer vilifies sexuality in the way he did in BNW. There you could feel both from context and the narrator the distaste towards free love and promiscuity, in Island these things are treated with neutrality or even slight affirmation. Sex in longer a primitive intimacy, but also serves spiritual and meditative functions, obtaining greater utility. This is also connected to Huxley's fascination with Buddhism and Tantras.

      Lmao what a bunch of pseudo intellectualism shit.

      It was the same reason why people drive slower when they see a car crash that is all.

      i read this book, and thought the overall theme and message were brilliant. i loved the first few chapters, but by the time i finished it, i ended up hating it. the story and characters make me want to rip my hair out with how infuriating they are.

      marx is a pathetic coward, and john should have been the protagonist from the start. if i wanted a dystopian novel, i'd just read something from george orwell or fahrenheit 451. in my eyes, those were leagues better than brave new world

      This is true

      Would you recommend the book for a soon to be 15yo girl? I have a niece that reads (even non ya) and was thinking on gifting it to her for her birthday.

      This or maybe Dracula. Help anons

      It's waaaaay to complicated written for a 15yo girl. Huxleys writing style is shit. He loves to say simple things in a complicated way.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Would you recommend the book for a soon to be 15yo girl? I have a niece that reads (even non ya) and was thinking on gifting it to her for her birthday.

    This or maybe Dracula. Help anons

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Would you recommend the book for a soon to be 15yo girl?
      Yes

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      BNW is definitely a better gift than Dracula. Probability is low she will read either but almost zero that she will read Dracula.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      1984 is violent but more to the point than BNW. I read both in my late teens and didn't enjoy BNW as much until I was older. I also read Dracula in my late teens and enjoyed that. There is too much not fleshed out symbolism that will fly over her head in Brave New World if she's 15. But it might red pill her later in life if she reads it now, forgets, and rereads it.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    he was a real homie doing real homie thangs

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you connect the final part to the orgy-porgy from the middle, then a certain connection between relligion/spiritualism and sex unveils itself. The 'Coming of Higher Being' is definitely a religious ritual, but it is not treated as such. It creates tension, passion in the spirit which is then released through sexual intercourse.

    This is not a random occurrence, people are conditioned to release their inner feelings that way. Thus, when the people saw the Savage doing something religious? It's only natural for them to try and release their feelings which they are barely concious of.

    Haxley had always been fascinated by the connection between spiritualism and intimacy, he wrote about religions and similar topics in Doors of Perception and other books. His last book, Island - which was also a story about Utopia - continues this topic by introducing a society where people learn in schools about Love and spiritual yoga of sex since turning 14.

    The interesting thing, however, is the seemingly changed view of the narrator when compared to BNW. It was around 30 years between those two books, BNW relatively early in Huxley's career, Island at its very end, released post-humously. And the difference seems clear. Huxley no longer vilifies sexuality in the way he did in BNW. There you could feel both from context and the narrator the distaste towards free love and promiscuity, in Island these things are treated with neutrality or even slight affirmation. Sex in longer a primitive intimacy, but also serves spiritual and meditative functions, obtaining greater utility. This is also connected to Huxley's fascination with Buddhism and Tantras.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The audience has never seen or experienced real pain before, so they're fascinated but also they can't relate. If you can't relate to the pain, you can't empathise and so there's no reason to be looking away from it

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why was the crowd so fascinated by self-harm?
    They never seen it before.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >black person in film
    >instantly assumes they are a savage

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You mean why hasn't the woke crowd gotten to BNW? Because people are hollow husks, it goes beyond woke. In fact, we can already see this kind of fascination with savagery with things such as contemporary, uh, afroamerican music

    Kanye is a zoo animal for white people

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i read this book, and thought the overall theme and message were brilliant. i loved the first few chapters, but by the time i finished it, i ended up hating it. the story and characters make me want to rip my hair out with how infuriating they are.

    marx is a pathetic coward, and john should have been the protagonist from the start. if i wanted a dystopian novel, i'd just read something from george orwell or fahrenheit 451. in my eyes, those were leagues better than brave new world

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Brave New World is leagues better than any other dystopian fiction. You genuinely don’t have a clue what you’re talking about

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly. Because Huxley does not write lived in believable characters at all or even build a cohesive world. All the small things are missing and nothing adds up. The ridiculous conclusion is the final straw.

      BNW is only shilled here because of fricking pewdiepie. That's also why f451 gets pushback, because king parlor uncle told his sycophants that f451 was bad.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >BNW is only shilled here because of
        because it's the counter-balance to the lies about tyranny always coming in the form of '1984-dictatorship' (which it seldom ever does). BNW is a good-enough counter-balance but,

        1984 is violent but more to the point than BNW. I read both in my late teens and didn't enjoy BNW as much until I was older. I also read Dracula in my late teens and enjoyed that. There is too much not fleshed out symbolism that will fly over her head in Brave New World if she's 15. But it might red pill her later in life if she reads it now, forgets, and rereads it.

        >it might red pill her later in life if she reads it now, forgets, and rereads it.
        ... but it's pretty flimsy after the initial effect has worn off. HG Wells "the shape of things to come" is far better, and could almost be said to include the BNW world as a brief flash in a long series of historical footnotes about the follies of government and ideology that the society went through before coming to their senses.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    how is it a dystopia if you can opt out to either the trad reservations or the schizoid islands
    the government does nothing to hurt anyone the whole book, some fat chick overdoses and the native kills himself but that's their own fault

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because it was provocative sensation. The crowd is normally so drugged up they feel nothing except sensationalized sexual pleasure (orgy-porgy). The theater seats have that technology that allows vicarious sensation which is how the government safely allows cathartic sensory experience.
    BNW's society doesn't need 1984s information control because it has completely desensitized its population.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why was the crowd so fascinated by self-harm?
    >Why wasn't the film about Savage banned?
    Was this in the book? I don't remember any of this happening. In the book they made a film about John Savage?

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