Holy shit /g. I'm honestly disappointed in you. You have been lying to me all the time. You wasted days and weeks of my time telling me that tiling window managers are superior to floating/stacking.
>I believed you.
>I installed i3.
>I spend weeks ricing it.
>I tried forcing myself to use it. To convince myself into the delusion that I am more productive.
>I even went down the suckless route.
All the time I had a little voice in my head telling me that I am lying to myself. That learning 6 gozillion esoteric shortcuts to manage my windows makes me somehow more efficient. I ignored it. Told myself i just need more time to get used to it. After all this years I finally found the final redpill.
>tilling = fail
>floating = based
>I don't need to see all my windows at the same time.
>I don't need all my windows to be perfectly tiled to the last pixel.
>I don't need to organize every window on a separate workspace.
>I don't nee to write endless rules and scripts to create the "perfect workflow" which breaks at the slightest deviation.
I've head enough. I am using macOS again. I am finally free. Life is to short to tile every single window. Heil Xah Lee.
http://xahlee.info/linux/why_tiling_window_manager_sucks.html
I like them tho
>i3
That's your mistake.
Manual tiling sucks.
Should have used dwm.
dwm is worse
>>I spend weeks ricing it
stopped reading right there
>I don't need to see all my windows at the same time.
That's why you use multiple workspaces
>I don't need to organize every window on a separate workspace.
Using workspaces is an effortless task
>I don't nee to write endless rules and scripts to create the "perfect workflow" which breaks at the slightest deviation.
The default ones are good enough. I use the default config + some random ones I stole from some repo
I ctrl+f "macos" in these threads to find out if they're worth reading. Hasn't failed me yet.
checked. You can use filters to gas them straight away.
filtered
What the fuck
i3 is fine
users are the problem , etc
>tiling window managers are superior to floating/stacking
explain
xah stop shitposting and start doing something productive
Give me dwm that act likes awesomewm but less heavy.
Xah told you to use XFCE, not MacOS, you mongrel. Can you even manipulate windows like he recomended in MacOS?
necause
wtf why does macos and macbooks in general look so shit now? i remember it being pretty cool looking a while ago
i like it
post wallpaper?
you seem to have stripped it down very much, i don't think that counts since any os can have customization
that panel still looks quite bad and inconsistent
can't say much because you have hidden all the windows
i really havent stripped much. i think the only changes i made were the dock, and the touchbar back to regular f12 keys. also had to scale pic down to meet file size.
>8GB RAM
Nice LULZ shitposting machine
Apple Silicon doesn't need 16GB of RAM because it is engineered by people who care about performance
>Apple Silicon doesn't need 16GB of RAM because it starts raping your SSD when it runs out of RAM
Fixed.
oh it looks like a generic minimal linux rice, but the sizes are inconsistent as hell
so you're saying it's not far from default? pretty strange as of apple, they used to make great distinct ui designs for macos before
here it is with dock size slide on medium and transparency on. i think those are literally the only things i changed. safari open in the back because it looks super default macos
yeah it really has gotten much worse lately, the dock looks better with transparency though
don't you think previous macos versions looked much bettter? even safari doesn't look native anymore, just look at that
theres something more sovlful about the older designs like snow leopard but for UI i actually prefer minimal.
really that one is not that good
i meant versions like mojave which got the perfect balance of minimalism and eyecandy and is not so old
linux sisters we did it
gnome finally looks better than macos
Why the fuck would you get a 13" M2 MBP.
It's literally the worst option you could have picked, either go for the M2 Air or the 14" MBP.
And considering you went for an 8 GB model, i'm doubtful you'd even need the minor extra performance with a fan.
who cares, he won't do anything on it anyway
think of apple products as of fashion accessories in the first place
think i picked it up before the m2 air was out or at least there were none at the applestore i bought it at.
i dont need more than 8gb ram. i have an email job, i dont game. i like the machine so far.
cringe
ill take the thinkpad thx
i still dont know what tiling is
do you not use any gui operating systems? even android has tiling
Nobody cares what you think
congrats, you grew up
congrats, you have transitioned
should have gone for xmonad
Another one falls for the suckless meme
you can use floating windows with i3 and tilling.
>macos
well...thats why i took you realize things
>I installed i3.
No idea why it's so popular.
I just use BSPWM (Hyprland if on Wayland) and it's perferct.
But I think your real mistake was
> spend weeks ricing it
Why?
Who is he giving the finger to? Left or right? I'm so confused.
I actually did read the whole fucking thing. You had zero arguments. ZERO.
>point of using tiling wm is to set shortcuts to your liking
>you use virtual workspaces (desktops or what ever you call them)
>"ricing" means you modify and customize system to your liking if you like
And you did everything 100% opposite. You tried to force yourself to use default shortcuts, tried to use all your programs in one workspace and forced yourself to modify and customize your system against of your will. How retarded are you?
You "like" macOS not because it is good. You like it because you don't have a choice. Everything is shit, wrong and broken but AT LEAST YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT. YOU JUST HAVE TO PAY AND USE IT. Like a good npc you are. And when it breaks. WHEN it is broken. You just go to the shit store and PAY whatever they ask for because you are a good retard npc. Now you can cry and release that bad feeling that you have and I know you will cry for days because that is how sad you are.
>I actually did read the whole fucking thing.
not really something to brag about, considering the op post is a low grade bait
Linux console is all you need. You don't even need screen/tmux, just use bashmarks if you need to flip between several directories.
What made you think that anyone who cares about efficiency would use Linux in the first place? Nobody who values their your time would waste it with an OS that requires constant nannying.
it could be that you are also not mentally capable of organizing yourself and instead indulge in the chaos which tries to hide the fact that you have no idea what you are doing, or why.
I'm sorry your parents were cousins
Midget hands
I removed the extra workspaces from GNOME six months ago and haven't felt the need to use them since.
For a few days I kept reflexively hitting the workspace switching key shortcuts whenever I had an attention blink and realized how destructive they were to my focus.
I abuse i3's marks to allow me to visit any window in two keystrokes
keep coping
I use i3 and I never tile or stack my windows, I keep them in tabbed mode always. I just like being able to navigate to specific windows that I predetermine for specific purposes using my keyboard, it's nice.
sometime tiling is better, sometimes floating is better, i3 can do both, xfce can do both. i prefer i3 because it's more minimal and flexible in the customization department. but xfce is the go to out of the box experience
I tile my windows on GNOME quite often. It doesn't do it automatically, but when moving or resizing them you hold down shift and the window borders start to snap to each other.
And for some groups of windows I keep them all the same size and stacked on top of each other so I can cycle them all with the "raise if covered, otherwise send to back" shortcut.
Everything would just work if it wasn't for Krita being retarded about its floating dockers.
people dont realise that gnome shortcuts are actually quite nice and usable
I use gnome to shuffle windows around and tmux for tiling the terminal(which is pretty much the only thing that needs tiling anyway)
>2023
>using Xfeces non-ironically
>2023
>she still hasn't realized xfce is the best gui experience for desktop computers
>she still hasn't realized xfce is the best gui experience for desktop computers
Shit compositing, no Wayland, no window overview, trash file manager, client-side decorations, no effects/animations, subpar multi-monitor support, no fractional scaling/HiDPI support, slow development, doesn't even have basic shit like a calculator app.
Yeah, Xfeces is the best at being shit and obsolete.
>Shit compositing
i just disable it anyway
>no Wayland
good
>no window overview
why would anyone ever need that when you can just look at the desktop
>trash file manager
it's fine, and you can simply install pcmanfm or whatever else
>client-side decorations
you can disable it in core apps
>no effects/animations
good, saves lots of time and doesn't distract
>subpar multi-monitor support
i don't use multiple monitors anymore but it worked fine in the past
>no fractional scaling/HiDPI support
no gui supports it besides aqua
>slow development
why would you want to develop it? everything is there already
>doesn't even have basic shit like a calculator app
calculator apps are slow and shit, i just use calc even on gnome where a calculator app is present
>Yeah, Xfeces is the best at being shit and obsolete
works on my machine
>no gui supports it besides aqua
KDE Plasma does.
then it sucks
Just because an ancient dying DE lile Xfeces doesn't have it doesn't mean it sucks.
KDE Plasma on Wayland is the best DE right now and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
>Just because an ancient dying DE lile Xfeces doesn't have it doesn't mean it sucks
but kde's support for it is shit
>KDE Plasma on Wayland is the best DE right now and I don't see that changing anytime soon
really? last time i checked it was an unusable buggy mess
>but kde's support for it is shit
>really? last time i checked it was an unusable buggy mess
It's clear you haven't tried KDE on Wayland in the last 6 months.
KDE is shit
Wayland is shit
simple as
not really, i mainly used kde like 2 months ago
simply this
what about it is buggy? i call bullshit
many things all around the system
the menu folders lagging, panel becoming unresponsive, core applications crashing, kwin graphical glitches and many other minor things
what do you use?
gnome, xfce
if you had to choose one which would it be?
i use gnome only on the laptop, xfce on desktop
wouldn't use it the other way around
>wouldn't use it the other way around
why not?
because gnome is shit on anything not touch controlled and xfce is hard to use on a laptop compared to gnome
should have used bspwm
They’re great for low end machines. I think some people stick with tiling just because it’s all their pc could handle when they had a crap pc, and by the time/if they ever got a better pc they just decided to stick with tiling out of habit.
I think it’s a typical case of “if it’s not broken don’t fix it”
i use tiling because i do not like using computer mice
you fell for the meme
just use default KDE like a white man
lmao of course fucking 15y old CORE2DUO thinkpad x200 would be total shit compared to 2023 appleshit
If you switched to apple can you send me this thinkpad brother?
is there a list of these or something
>twm
crubge
>xah lee
This is who you're swooning over.
I don't see the point of it on a screen size under 32 inches
Everything is way to small on my 14 in Thinkpad with I3 and attempts to scale it up either make it look like shit or affects some applications in a non-uniform way. I loved it on my desktop, but on my laptop with out a dock it's a non-starter.
Why the fuck would you rice a tiling wm? The whole point is to focus on the applications. I never understood gaps either.
>hurr I need to see my degenerate weeb wallpaper at all times
No seriously somebody tell me the fucking point of using a tilling wm on a laptop screen?
space efficiency
You can set those rules with KDE
And gnome plug-ins
I feel like you're trying to solve an already solved problem with such a small display
kde is krashy hell and gnome pushes things too hard (and is also heavy)
then there's xfce but why not just go full retard as well and use something more minimal instead
>kde crash
This is a cope
>xfece
You use it because it's more feature rich than smaller DE
>>kde crash
>This is a cope
i wish it was just cope
an otherwise great de - ruined by pajeet incompetence
>You use it because it's more feature rich than smaller DE
and tiling wms are usually much smaller and minimal than that, while also having more customizability, tiling by default and great control from keyboard
I don't krash as well as a lot of other users
Perhaps your distro is not maintaining it's packages well
i tried kubuntu, opensuse, fedora
kubuntu was the most unbearable, fedora for some reason heavily overheated on kde (works fine on gnome), on opensuse it crashed unrecoverably from time to time forcing me to reset the system and lose unsaved work
Which KDE version?
Legit haven't had any cases of losing unsaved work in years, if anything the most unstable piece of shit I've used has been gnome, this is with new hardware as well
Desktop or laptop doesn't matter -- it's just very nice to use and space efficient too like the other anon was saying. To me, it is the most usable style of window management.
>No dev tools on apple bar
Opinion discarded general purpose computing isn't for you have you considered a tablet?
>I spend weeks ricing it
lol...
>the delusion that I am more productive.
you fell for the meme. think about it logically. there's no way a wm could increase your productivity. efficiency? maybe, but even then the increase is irrelevant. the main benefit is controlling the computer they way you want to control it and having certain things 'automated' to improve quality of life.
>floating = based
my wm has mouse control and can float windows too 🙂
>I don't need to see all my windows at the same time.
yeah and? a wm doesn't force you to do this.
>I don't need to organize every window on a separate workspace.
bizarre critique.
>>I don't nee to write endless rules and scripts to create the "perfect workflow"
fair point. grabbing someone elses dotfiles and learning how they work makes this pretty straightforward though.
>which breaks at the slightest deviation.
funny you say this though, considering people never talk about wms braking or crashing. it's always des they complain about.
>Gozillion esoteric shortcuts
1. create terminal
2. change screens
3. open dmenu
4. split screens
5. stack screens
6. move/resize opened screens
It really isn't that deep anon.
i got much more than that and i am fine remembering it all, the placement just makes sense
maybe op is a brainlet?
> There is a universally agreed on best solution to desktop workflows.
> Mac is better because of windows
> What is user preference?
This is why I like Linux so much. It's so easy to just do what I need when I need it. Sometimes I need to focus 100% on work and I'm just coding. I'll take i3 all day. In my experience, in keeps me focused. When I'm just fucking around, I'll boot into Pop, play some games, watch some videos.
The pretentious belief that your personal preference is a hard and fast rule is why you got "suckered" in the first place. You saw someone else succeeding with a tiling workflow and you just had to try it. Not realizing that your own compulsive need to be "right" is gatekeeping you from actually getting shit done.
Go back to Mac and be happy, but don't blame people who were sharing their own experiences for your own failures.
This is the guy telling you that tiling WMs suck (in an essay showing he didn't even use one, despite his claim).
As usual with anything xah lee, his problems exist entirely between his chair and his keyboard.
cope
Cope homosexual you most likely can't afford the workspace that can actually needs it to begin with.
Looking like a retarded sperg on your 14 inch shit top squinting like a fucking sperg that jacks his dick to ant abdomens in real time.
lmaooooo
just let your pathetic thread die homosexual nobody cares. stop samefagging.
Options engaged
meds
>what is IP switching/inspect element
retard.
see
see
becuz
lmao
its over
skill issue stfu
Agreed.
Back when I cared, I wrote my own pseudo tiling WM for my own purposes.
It specifically never had shitty gaps.
It specifically had windows overlapping.
It specifically wasn't automated, or locked to a location.
Why? Because it is actually useful, and sometimes overlapping windows is superior if you are working between multiple applications at once and don't want to fuck around with taskbars.
The only time I automated anything was specific windows I always had open at the right side of my main monitor.
That being a security camera ("security", a fucking eyetoy so I can see when people are coming to the door when i am deep in thought), a notes window for my general TODO list and some other minor task-specific stuff.
I don't even use it anymore. That's how little it mattered.
stop bumping this shitty thread retards
stop bumping this shitty thread retards
i am sega, and you're op
stop bumping this shitty thread retards
do you have nothing else to do?
Kek it was a bug with kuroba. Luckily it still had the sega
stop bumping this shitty thread retards
stop bumping this shitty thread retards
i swear that wasn't me
stop saging this thread retards
>he thinks saging does anything
but they're pretending to bump but actually sage instead
>he
>I am finally free
No, you are a slave to the chains of proprietary software. I can't store CP on a Mac, therefore, no matter how bad the act itself of having CP is, it's not free as in freedom. Also, have you heard of our lord and savior, KDE?
kde requires acceleration to be usable, so it supports proprietary shit
>I spend weeks ricing it.
how do you even do this
>Calling tags workspaces
Yeah you're too stupid for tiling window managers. You don't see all at the same time you only see the selection of tags. If you use a laptop screen you don't ever assign more than 2 maybe rarely 3 windows to the same tag, the idea being that when you use just one window for one task you keep it full screen, but when you need to use two or more windows simultaneously you see those tags simultaneously. For examppw browser tag + editor tag + command line tag, then you deselect the browser tag with only a few key presses when you don't need that page. Tho the only reason why I'm not dismissing you for being a moron is that you uses i3. Use an automatic tiler where you can select which program is the master. If you use multiple monitors it is even more efficient since every display should have it's own set of tags.
>macos
Fucking troll, you just use KDE
You piss on my classic thinkpad keyboard and I piss on your macfag keyboards and let's see what happens.
The loser licks the other guys keyboard clean.
linux has floating window managers
name a good one
icewm
I recently installed i3, didn't tweak it much, only removed borders and titles for tiled winodows, installed picom with transparency for unfocused windows and made it use hjkl instead of jkl;.
Shortcuts instantly made sense to me, maybe I'll switch to something else eventually, since I want my statusbar to be vertical, but otherwise this is really much more comfortable than xfce (or windows 10) I used previously.
tl;dr
wouldn't read if it was short either on account on you using a laptop with a cutout in the screen
anything but dwm gets the fucking electric chair
meds
meds
i3 is only good when you have a few windows that you always use and assign them to a workspace, but if you start to open lots of temporal windows it becomes a hassle to manage
Manual tiling is nice when you spend a ton of time ricing it. I love my herbstluftwm and stumpwm configs
But xah is right a normal DE with those binds works just as well
I once got a 3 day for picrel. Fuck jannies.
btfo
don't mess with the jjay