I mean as far as I can tell, I may as well. It makes the most sense. This life, my life, is the only experience I'll ever experience as far as I can know. Why experience anything that isn't for me? Why experience and pain/suffering that doesn't benefit me at the bottom line?
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You’re a selfish piece of shit anon and it’s nice that people will make your life harder for being like this.
>i cant counter your reasoning so ill dislike you and others will too
youre literally the equivalent of a religious person who hates someone because they ask how their their interpretation of faith can be proven
People are generally good but there are plenty of bad people out there who only care about themselves. That includes you. I can’t convince you to care about other people, you fundamentally have a deficiency that others don’t in this regard.
You will be kept in line by other people who counter your selfishness and people who perceive that you are a bad person even if you try to hide it.
Okay, why should people who care about other people not live for their self interest?
You have a fundamentally different mindset as opposed to a good person. You are selfish, good people care about others as much and sometimes more than themselves.
I think youre just too stupid/ignorant to follow self interest to its complete rational
i ask again: why should people who care about other people not live for their self interest
I can’t convince you because your mind is fundamentally deranged. You do not have the inherent motivation to be a good person, you are a bad person. Now to try and preserve your feeling of worth you’re trying to convince yourself it’s some special intelligence when you’re actually just a rotten scumbag. It’s that simple.
When you care for others, whatever that means to you, you are doing so in order to satisfy your own psychological urges and desires. Thus, to care for others is just as selfish as to care only for oneself.
Yeah, I agree. Now are you ready to die?
Yeah people who have the desire to be a good person are good people. A selfish person is only interested in themselves. This is not difficult, it’s stunning how much you’re struggling.
The "good" person and the "selfish" are both pursuing their own interests. If a "good" person did not derive some form of value or satisfaction from caring for others, why would he do so? Think about it.
>he "good" person and the "selfish" are both pursuing their own interests
Yeah and a good persons interests are being a good person and treating others as good or even better than themselves, while a selfish person only cares about themselves.
That’s what these concepts mean, my fricking Christ you are a pseud.
Read the entirety of my posts. If a "good" person did not think that he would derive some form of value or satisfaction from caring for others, why would he do so? Furthermore, if a "good" person thinks that he would derive more satisfaction from "selfish" actions than "good" actions, then why would commit good actions. Contrariwise, if a "good" person thinks that he would derive more satisfaction from "good" actions than from "selfish" actions, isn't his actions ultimately selfish? Think about it.
this wasnt me (OP) btw
well you caring for people because you like it is self interest
bruh your best argument against me is 'caring for people is goodie vs not is baddie' you mast have a brain the size of a pea
>good and selfless people actually want to be good people man, think about it
Woah…
Fricking idiot lmao
Selfish people do what they want. good people want to do good. Therefore, good people are selfish.
Selfish people only want to help themselves and only care about themselves. That’s what that means.
>Selfish people only want to help themselves and only care about themselves
And "good" people, all people in general, are ultimately selfish because they only care about others to the extent that it help themselves. The only difference between a "good" person and your so-called "selfish" person is that the selfish person evidently sees nothing to gain from helping others while the "good" person derives something from helping others.
>No one deserves thanks from another about something he has done for him or goodness he has done, he is either willing to get a reward from God, therefore he wanted to serve himself, or he wanted to get a reward from people, therefore, he has done that to get profit for himself, or to be mentioned and praised by people, therefore, to it is also for himself, or due to his mercy and tenderheartedness, so he has simply done that goodness to pacify these feelings and treat himself. People in the middle ages understood this concept. It isn't that hard to grasp.
>*accidental greentext
People in the middle ages understood this concept. It isn't that hard to grasp
Good person: Wants to help others, elevates others to their level or above
Selfish person: Only cares about themselves.
Think of all the "good" people you know. Group them togethor, then compare them to eachother. Do they all help others equally, or to different extents? Why? Is it because some people are just "gooder" than others, or isn't it actually the case that those "good" people only help others only to the extent that it helps themselves?
Guy there are plenty of people out there who have sacrificed things for others at no gain, they just felt it was right. It’s not all a game of using other people. You have legit mental problems if you don’t understand this.
>they just felt it was right
Refer to
>No one deserves thanks from another about something he has done for him or goodness he has done, he is either willing to get a reward from God, therefore he wanted to serve himself, or he wanted to get a reward from people, therefore, he has done that to get profit for himself, or to be mentioned and praised by people, therefore, to it is also for himself, or due to his mercy and tenderheartedness, so he has simply done that goodness to pacify these feelings and treat himself
Repeat after me
>or due to his mercy and tenderheartedness, so he has simply done that goodness to pacify these feelings and treat himself
>Bro you don't really have thoughts it is just chemicals in your brain
God nihilists are moronic.
>pseud reading comprehension
Yeah anon quoting someone else who also doesn’t understand the concept of bad and selfish vs. selfless and good doesn’t make your point better.
A good and selfless person is a person who does good things because they care about others, selfish people are only motivated to help themselves and use others.
I’m done explaining the distinction. If you don’t get it you don’t get it.
There's no such thing as selflessness. you're inventing a distinction that doesn't exist, a false binary.
Cope for not understanding a basic concept. You’re a selfish piece of shit, of course you deny the very existence of people with good intentions. You can’t live otherwise.
Provide one example of selflessness, since you are so certain it exists.
A good person does things like helping out a friend financially with it expecting payback or volunteering without bragging about it to anyone.
They are losing time and money, they do it because they want to, because they’re a good person.
> due to his mercy and tenderheartedness, so he has simply done that goodness to pacify these feelings and treat himself
>It is just the chemicals in your brain that make your thoughts. You don't actually have thoughts
suppose they were thoughts and not just chemicals; are you really proving selflessness when a person is pursuing thoughts that make him happy?
Giving money to a homeless person. Here's the caveat. I really hate homeless people.
Dickhead some people choose career paths like helping disabled people that pay like shit and are terrible jobs just because they’re good people.
>feel sad seeing others in poverty and distress
>commit "selfless" action
>feel happy and proud of himself
He gains from this act of so called "selflessness", therefore can it really be so?
So the only way to be a good person is to not enjoy helping people or thinking it’s right? Congrats on being a fricking idiot.
Where was that said?
You are a waste of skin.
I accept your concession
Yes. Because you are giving someone something physical while you don't get anything physical.
>it doesn't count because it isn't physical
That's an arbitrary distinction based on nothing. He gained a sense of satisfaction and pleasure from his actions, therefore they were ultimately selfish
>feel sad seeing others in poverty and distress
I don't
>commit "selfless" action
Yes
>feel happy and proud of himself
I don't
Care to explain why hmmm?
You were doing it to acquire the admiration of others, to gain some metaohysical reward in the afterlife, to lessen pre existing feelings of sadness and pain or, if none of the above, the scenario doesn't exist and you made it up to win an internet argument
>acquire the admiration of others
Nobody else is around
>gain some metaohysical reward in the afterlife
Don't believe in it
>lessen pre existing feelings of sadness and pain
How is me giving up my own money doing that? That would cause me more feelings of sadness and pain since I am a israelite.
>It doesn't exist cause....It JUST CAN'T!
You see things in black and white. Here is a scenario. I win a car off a game show. The car I won happens to be an old sports car my Dad used to own but sold it so I can go to college. I decide to gift that car to my Dad because I love him. I make an offhand joke that I couldn't afford the taxes on such a car anyway.
You will scream and point to my joke saying that is the only reason I am giving it up while ignoring the major part as to why I am giving it up in the first place. Love.
You cry everyone is selfish only because you are selfish and cannot conceive kindness done out of altruistic intentions. Sad really.
What is even sadder is that a fricking israelite like me has to tell you this.
>I decide to gift that car to my Dad because I love him.
>I gave up a car for the selfish motivation of gratifying my love for a relative, therefore selflessness exists
uuuuhhh...btfo?
>selfish motivation of gratifying my love for a relative
You do realize the definition of selfish is "lacking consideration for others" right. Having a consideration of others means you aren't selfish regardless of whatever benefits you get out of an interaction.
Why do you autisticlly think if you get a benefit you are somehow selfish?
Not him
>Pedantic.
Selfish as in selflessness is self serving. Doing good things makes you feel good.
Could it be there is something inside you causing cognitive dissonance.
>selflessness is self serving
oxymoron. Having a consideration for others by definition makes a person not selfish
caring more about the needs of others than your own.
Selflessness as you define it doesn't exist.
Why not? Me giving a homeless person a dollar so they can eat is selfless.
Why not $10? $100? Because the limit of your generosity is your own needs. Thus, you are not caring more about the needs of the homeless than your own.
>Because the limit of your generosity is your own needs
No because I only had a dollar in cash. Nobody carries cash anymore.
>When you think you are a selfless person but you're too lazy to walk to a atm.
Why do I need to go to an atm? The homless man asked for what I can spare not my life savings
>asked for what I can spare
So the homeless man specifically asked that you do not put his needs ahead of your own? Interesting.
Since you refuted your own example of selflessness, feel free to provide another one or concede that selflessness doesn't exist.
Volunteering for a soup kitchen then. Show me your mental gymnastics.
>do not put his needs ahead of your own
I did. me giving him money for food doesn't mean I need to go hungry now.
You do realize "putting others needs ahead of your own" can be put as "letting others eat before you" not "If you eat I must starve now."
>Definition
>Pedantic: Being finicky or fastidious, especially with language. Marked by a narrow focus on or display of learning especially its trivial aspects.
You cannot understand OPs argument if you cling to this idea that definitions are the same as concepts.
>definitions are the same as concepts
Without definitions a concept cannot exist. Words have meanings. You putting different meanings to words with definitions already in place is just you being moronic
Jesus very clearly did this. When he tried to get some sleep people came to him so he still taught them rather than getting rest.
>When he tried to get some sleep people came to him so he still taught them rather than getting rest
>People were obstructing jesus from resting, so he had to do whatever it is they wanted so that he could finally get some rest, therefore, selflessness exists.
He used his free will to teach them rather than said go away let me sleep. So yes
Define selflessness.
>jew
>Insists that there is no selfish motivation for his actions
I wonder what may be gained from convincing people of this...
Okay I'm gonna try this with you one more time.
I am, believe it or not, someone who does care about other people. I consider myself to be very empathetic in fact. Now, regardless of ANYONE IN THE WORLD, caring or not, whatever, why should any of those people not live for there self interest?
Self interest does not mean not caring. For example, I like being nice to people because I care about them. Do you get it now? I'm not asking why people care about people, or if they should or shouldn't care about them. I'm asking why people shouldn't live in self interest.
Do you understand?
I’m not disagreeing with that, it pointing out that “good and selfless people want to be that way, so they’re actually selfish” is stupid and ignorant of what the word selfish actually means.
Yeah, it's self-interest, and my self-interest is superior. I am inherently better than you.
>you are doing so in order to satisfy your own psychological urges and desires
Got proof for this?
Yes, selfishness is rational, and I irrationally have empathy and like to care for other people. I have no logical justification for this, I just instinctively am that way, and the species is better off for it. You will be terminated. Prepare yourself.
You absolutely should live for your own self interest. However, humans are not rational entitylies you have emotions and what constitutes "self-interest" may mean many different things to different people.
Behind every ugly, poor, ill, religious, unfortunate person theres an ego.
Same as the fortunate ones.
An ego with needs ready to compete and "backstab" you when the times comes.
Always remember that.
ITT: pseud misunderstands basic psychology, proceeds to call everyone who does understand pseuds.
Because a group of people concerned with their own interest will butt frick you if you run around being selfish.
>Why experience and pain/suffering that doesn't benefit me at the bottom line
You aren't refuting my point. So I must experience the minimum amount of pain and suffering in order to avoid being buttfricked, and then what? Why experience any more pain/suffering that doesn't benefit me at the bottom line
What pain and suffering are other people causing you? why don’t you live this self interested Chad dream you have instead of talking about it on the internet.
Well that's capitalism so
It’s in your self interest to have a community/collective because they are stronger than individuals. There could be a time when you need to rely on them, such as if you get unlucky and experience some sort of tragedy. So it’s worth investing a bit into others so you know they have your back when times get tough
Basically it’s in your self interest to be a team player
OP here. I'm genuinely amazed that the only answers to imply people shouldn't live in and for self interest are people who talk about 'good and bad' people who 'do and dont care about others' even though thats not what I was asking about
like is it fear of an existential crisis or is it just stupidity?
There's nothing wrong with it as long as you don't harm others.
Trying to explain that not everyone is a total anti-social piece of shit on IQfy is like trying to explain colors on a colorblind forum where people think colors are a conspiracy.
completely logical if you are an atheist
You should. Call me a sociopath for this but i couldn't give less of a shit for most people surrounding me or society as a whole. You are your first, second and third priority. Every decision you make you should first inspect it from a personal pov rather than give a shit about this degenerate society full of people who are a waste of resources
You should. Anyone who says otherwise wants to exploit you.
you're not supposed to be a martyr or a altruist if you don't see a point in it or if it doesn't get your rocks off to play hero, if you see no point in it don't do it