They don't follow the Pope so they aren't Catholic
They aren't Protestant either
They aren't Orthodox either
So Sedevacantists like SSPX and SSPV should be considered a 4th big thing in Christianity.
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Why isn't Sedevacantist Considered It's own Thing?
we call them "a buncha retards" around here
Christcucks say the same shit about every new denomination that splits from the mainstream church. From Orthodog/Papists to Protestants to Mormons to South East Baptist Church #858329. But at the end of the day they're all a bunch of retards calling each other demonic heretics.
Dasha literally just does what her boyfriend of the week does. She's a fucking bimbo.
Who's Dasha?
Sedevacantists should just try to make their own Pope already.
>Who's Dasha?
This bitch. She's been shitposting about Sedevacantism on Twitter for days now.
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Who is this ugly down syndrome looking bitch and why should I care
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasha_Nekrasova
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>he doesn't know about Pope Michael
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bawden
His and his followers Youtube channel and website:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWaduOwfCDVxM9Qz02elAgw/videos
https://www.vaticaninexile.com/index.php
Who? What are you talking about?
Christian splinter cults #2467 and #2468 are not a "big thing"
Okay then what are they out of the 3?
Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox?
To me the SSPX are saying the Vatican is demonic and evil but also want to keep lots of the old Catholic beliefs of Vatican 1 and before.
They don't seem Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox so they need their own category.
Lutheranism and Anglicanism we're originally very similar to Catholicism as well, they tried to be Catholic without the Pope. Over hundreds of years they gradually became significantly different in terms of tradition and ritual. Give Sedes 200 years and they'll be completely unrecognizable, just like other Prot denominations.
True but SSPX seem obsessed with the Middle Ages and medieval era. I wonder how they'll look 200 years from now. Many trad Caths are considering schism.
How do you predict they'll be like in 200 years?
But SSPX and SSPV are obsessed with Orthodoxy and tradition.
That's the thing, Luther made the same argument, that the old Catholic Church was ok, but modern changes like indulgences had corrupted it. He originally tried to work within the framework of the Church, and only started preaching more unOrthodox opinions when it was clear that the he had no other option.
>SSPX are saying the Vatican is demonic and evil
never heard such a thing from any SSPX priest
SSPX people online are very big into this though. They talk about the freemasonic plot to infiltrate the Vatican and that the Vatican worship idols like Pachamama.
Please show me any formal proof that the SSPX isn't in communion with Rome and is openly schismatic. If not, then why do you claim they are?
The Vatican partly disowned them and the sacraments they do are considered illegal
https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2021/09/16/when-is-it-okay-to-go-to-an-sspx-mass/
according to catholicism they are heretics.
The Catholic Church has been Protestantizing since the 19th century. They're just like any other Christian denomination, you can follow them or not, it doesn't matter.
How?
They are catholic
SSPX is not sede
SSPX is considered in schism so they are Sede.
There's some similarity with Luther this is true. They're even calling the Vatican demonic and connecting it to the antichrist. I'm just saying that Orthodox split off from Catholic first. Protestants did later. But Orthodox and Protestant are different from each other. Sedevacantists will be different than that and will be the fourth big thing.
Because sedevacantists aren't making anything up. They're literally just practicing Catholicism as it existed for 1900 years before some liberal homosexuals ruined it.
The treaty of Westphalia and Vatican I were just as big of changes to the Catholic Church as Vatican II.
The Orthodox say they were practicing the faith as it was until Papal supremacy happened. How is this different than what the Orthodox did?
Sspx is in communion with Rome. They're not sedes. Not sucking the Pope's cock is different then thinking the pope has no authority and the see of Peter is empty. I can criticize a president but this doesn't mean I simply don't think the president has authority and he doesn't count as president.
There are not a lot of them, especially outside of America. They are irrelevant.
I'm in the USA so it's relevant to me. How come other countries aren't as into Trad Cath as the USA?
There's 600,000 people in SSPX. All SSPX Chapels are in the USA.
SSPV only operates in the USA except for one part of Canada. I don't know how many are in SSPV.
If scientology is relevant and they only have 25,000 members in the USA, so is SSPX and SSPV.
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>There's 600,000 people in SSPX. All SSPX Chapels are in the USA.
I thought SSPX had Churches across the world? Like this one in the Netherlands
He's wrong. Most SSPX is in America and France and with some presence in other countries.
Sneedevacantists are protestants. They blame a "great apostasy" for their existence. They can do and teach whatever they want as long as the sacraments are done a certain way and constantly bicker among themselves over who is *really* carrying the torch of the *real* Catholic faith. They think the current pope is the antichrist and blame everything bad on him. The kids that inherit their tiny churches once the founders die turn them into yet another form of liberal Catholicism with fancy aesthetics like the Dutch Old Catholics. Either that or they turn into a meme borderline ethnoreligion like Old Believers.
You should listen to their concerns instead of driving them away. The Vatican is doing lots of demonic stuff.
The Vatican is secular. The people at the top know this isn't real but they land legotamacy to causes
This idea of a religion that revolves around doing everything some shitlib in a funny hat says is so strange. I wonder how many of the hardline papists are actually familiar with the history of the papacy. Personally, popes have supported a few too many invasions of my ancestors for me to jump in the whole "respect them always and do everything they say" camp. One of them was even explicitly launched to destroy Catholicism in the country, which is pretty amusing.
There's a difference between rejecting modernism (which is what sedevacantists do) and rejecting tradition (which is what Lutherans, Vatican II Catholics, and "non-denominationals" do). Sorry if you can't see the difference.
I can. That's why their own category.
They just don't want to join forces with the demonic and want a return to tradition
they are protestants 2.0, shameless, the pope is the supreme authority of the church
>I am more catholic than the pope
They're protestants assmad at liberal reform in the church
There are not enough of them to matter. Stop caring about them. They have no power. You are not going to gain anything or gain any power over people by identifying as one.
They matter in the USA. Many people feel similar sentiments and are close to being Sedes.
They dont even have churches in the us. No one cares about it.
Most Christian's in the us dont care about these issues. They just want a sermon that will make them feel good.
The issue isn't about "most people" it's about the true believers.
Who the fuck cares? It's all fiction. We have real world problems and you are concerned with make beleive.
People like you hold us back by having stupid priorities. The left doesnt beleive in god or norals; they beleive in victory at any cost using any method. If we dont also beleive that we will never win. To put it bluntly we need to be less good and more evil; more evil then them.
I believe in the Benedict Option. I don't like society and am ready to divorce it forever. This is Noah's ark and you either get on the ship or drown.
So basically you are not going to take action and wait for the spaghetti monster to magically solve all our problems.
Christians are fucking useless.
Moving away from everyone else and starting your own mini society is taking action.
Where? They have power at the national level and in every nation. Unless you are planning to just go live in a cave until you die in which case they will sweep up what power is left without resistance.
You are afraid of confrontation and want to run away and hope a fictional character will just appear and zap your enemies after a few years.
Not only are a coward but you are trying to infect others with your call to retreat and sit in your ass. You dont benefit us. You benefit them. FUCK YOUR MADE UP GOD. He wont help us because he isn't real. No one will fight back except us. Either we do it or they win. Stop trying to tell people we can win by retreating.
The Amish and Mormons do it. Laws can change by the county level.
Then go di that. Live on a tiny patch of land while they take everything and once they have done that they will come for but they will be bigger and badder.
Run away if you wont but dont try to pretend you are anything more then a coward looking for a comfy place to grow old and die. Comfort means more to you then the nation and civilization.
Rod Dreher is fucking retarded. He whines about the possibility of Christians being persecuted but he converted to Orthodoxy, a religion known for cooperating with authoritarian governments like the USSR and now Putin.
They're Catholics, just not Roman Catholics. There are many Independent Catholic schismatic groups that arose in the 20th and 21st centuries actually, and there's an older 19th century group called the Old Catholics. All of these can be considered their own family of Christian groups, just as Orthodoxy is and Protestantism is. Neither of those is a single church, makes no sense to act like the Roman Catholics can be a whole branch of Christianity but the other denominations get lumped into bigger families. Rather, there is a broader "Catholicism" family that includes the RCC, Old Catholics, and Independent Catholics, including Sedevacantists.
So they're still in the Catholic family
Pentacoaatal 3+n^m
People already consider them protestants in denial.
Pretty funny considering so many catholics today reject the pope, even though that goes against catholic doctrine of papal infallability