The Linux way is extremely retarded, you may end up with some bullshit like broken dependencies, also what is up with this shit, I never seen something like that in Windows yet it just worked.
and that is for apps that are on the "server". Some of the linux apps you have to build yourself (fucking lmao) where you enter a lot more lines and then you use some complex retarded thing again to remove the app.
my favorite thing is how people like to pretend that you can't just package shared objects when distributing to linux. giga retards have no clue what the fuck an rpath is
meanwhile on windows, the dll loader will take an absolute gigantic shit on you if your dll has the same name and a manifest collision with another dll already loaded into memory. absolute fucking clown operating system.
> how people like to pretend that you can't just package shared objects when distributing to linux.
No one ever does it.
For some reason that eludes me, Linux developers have dedicated 20 years to trying to find increasingly elaborate ways to package and distribute software.
There's snaps, appimages, flatpaks, there's compiling from source, there's like 5 different package managers, there's the AUR (which isn't much better than downloading random shit from the Internet).
They all have their own downsides, and none of them are doable without having an internet connection, unless you mirror EVERYTHING locally, which is a funny concept. Linux's answer to being forced to use the Internet to install stuff is "just download all the software ever bro".
For some reason I just can't fathom, Linux devs just never go with the simplest option which is literally to just share a compiled binary like all Windows developers do.
I've only ever seen one or two pieces of Linux software that just had an executable that ran natively.
I always, always hear about how Windows is LE BAD because you can download shit from the Internet and run it. Aren't you people supposed to be technologically literate?
This makes it sound like the average Linux user will just download shit off of download.com and run it instead of just, you know, looking for the dev's website and downloading it from there.
I just wish ReactOS and Linux traded places. Linux is a mainframe multiuser OS twisted into something resembling a PC OS. It's like hammering a nail with a screwdriver.
ReactOS would actually have a chance to gain proper traction if it had the same level of hardware support as Linux has. Linux's horrible way of handling software is the reason why it has never gained any traction, and indeed remains little more than a toy OS. No one but NEETs with nothing but spare time has the patience to deal with the minutiae of package managers.
Why on earth would they share binaries that is a massive security concern, that's what the package managers are doing anyway, pre-compiled from a trusted source to prevent contamination from downloading random binaries, smart enough to not need protecting? Compile your shit from source yourself.
I just download the installer from the official source and click next-next-finish.
Hasn't been a problem for the past 15 years. Most large apps make sure that common/shared deps like visual c++ runtime are installed and the rest of the DLLs are pacakged with the app.
>meanwhile on windows, the dll loader will take an absolute gigantic shit on you if your dll has the same name and a manifest collision with another dll already loaded into memory.
I don't remember from the top of my head if it indeed does this or you're just daydreaming, but this is good. Seems like Windows has the sane behavior of not allowing hard to debug scenarios due to name collision. If I remember correctly though I think you are just daydreaming. As long as you use full path to a DLL it will load it as the two paths will be different.
>The Linux way is extremely retarded, you may end up with some bullshit like broken dependencies
I don't know I've used Linux distros for a decade and haven't had that happen. Repo jannies just have stuff working
The only time I've had dependency issues was when I tried installing the latest kernel release on Ubuntu. It depended on a newer version of some package that Ubuntu didn't have in that release. Wasn't a big deal
>package managers break all the fucking time just from regular usage
Never happened to me and I've been using Linux for over a decade.
>le works on my machine 🙂
Yes, we all know linux works great when the only thing you use it for it is rice your desktop, change your tranime feet wallpapers and browse the web. But one day you will also need to grow up and start using your computer for actual productive work.
>you may end up with some bullshit like broken dependencies
Fun fact: this never happens and you are gay. If Debian has packaged the software and you can just fetch it with apt then it will work. If you added some broken third party repo from India then it's 100% your fault. It would be broken on Windows as well since it's from an incompetent maintainer.
>*deletes your desktop environment*
There's only one person ever who had this happen. He also happens to make money from video view counts. Anyone else would have stopped after all the warnings telling something is not right. I'm sure these things aren't related at all.
it's dead afaik
why use cygwin when WSL exists?
other than requiring use of the windows store, enabling windows features, and not actually having a native experience, WSL replaces basically 100% of cygwin features
but you use the auto sync which is built in to the distro, but it selects a far server for some reason and you're wondering why everythings downloading at 50kbps
>try to install something from command line >it's not in the package manager repo >have to install another package manager >try installing again with the new manager >"you need 200 other dependencies, this will take up 3.5 GB" >sigh >press Y >30 minutes later >try to run the new program >it crashes on startup and spits out a laundry list of undecipherable errors >troubleshoot for 2 hours
Now, 95% of the time this isn't the case, but when it does happen it's fucking annoying and makes me wonder why I even bother.
>you literally just write "install" >actually the command is a spergfest of sudo, apt-get and then install and then a whole load of shit that you might or might not need to confirm not to mention this only applies to Debian based distros
Also >What is Chocolatey >What is the Windows Store >What is almost every freetard program also having a Windows version
spelling errors in this image aside >you have to find the installer >download shit to desktop and not some random fucking directory like OP implies
Wow that sure is difficult, good thing I have this deep knowledge now that works on both platforms
40 year old cuck virgin is a LULZ mod
Extremely fitting as he is probably one of the only "people" on Earth pathetic, desperate, lonely, and hollow enough to be this much of brazen homosexual.
Linux cultists love to pretend that the windows style installer takes any kind of effort whatsoever. Meanwhile in reality, if the software you want to install is not in your distro's repo, because some tranny repo maintainer with a god complex decided it's not worthy to be used by anyone (which happens more often than not), you have to either: >track down and add some dodgy PPA (if it exists at all) hosted by god knows what chink and risk installing compromised code >try to compile from source and after having spent hours tracking down every retarded dependency and its specific version while fighting with conflicting packages on your system, you hit a dead end where one specific version of some library isn't available anywhere
There's nothing dodgy if you've downloaded it from a trusted source. At the end of the day you still need to put your trust in the official repo maintainers themselves, whose packages are proven to be compromise by a malicious entity with enough intent. At the end of the day there is no difference security-wise if you downloaded an installer from the official site and installing it via a package manager.
Also package managers break all the fucking time just from regular usage and are a nightmare to fix. A single broken package installation could render your entire system unable to install any new ones until you fix it. On windows, if an installer shits the bed it's not going to affect anything else.
meanwhile in reality your ubuntu firewall needs python to work otherwise you get locked out of your remote box
meanwhile in reality yum had a high chance of bricking your system if you hadnt updated centos in a few years
meanwhile in reality pacman has no way to recover broken file systems
"b-but it works on my system with 23 root-fs backups, so long as i dont update, and so long as i dont need to use old software requiring a dependency my package manger has a newer version of"
>meanwhile in reality your ubuntu firewall needs python to work otherwise you get locked out of your remote box
And?
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...because pyshit is such a lovely language that doesn't change every major revision and "needs" specialist container software to simply run on a developers machine
5 days ago
Anonymous
It doesn't change every major revision. Code that worked in Python 3.1 will work in Python 3.12. Again, I've never in my life seen this ever be an issue. Maybe you're just too stupid to use a computer.
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>Maybe you're just too stupid to use a compute
says the retard getting filtered by a fucking windows installer
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That's just not true. Why talk about shit you don't understand? There are breaking changes between even minor python versions now.
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Ok? Your firewall is still gonna work with the system Python
seethe cope and dilate. he is right though. trannys constantly remove software over drama instead of focusing on quality releases and unifying their build chains. it's to the point where competent projects with hermetic build-pipelines under winshit have a better chance at being hassle free than linking against a bunch of uncontained spaghetti shit built by a million and two freetarded tools maintained by troons gluing shit together in python and bash.
>type program name into google >download exe from official website and run it >click 'next' 3 times >program is ready to run
This is "hard to use" according to linuxtards, yet they are perfectly fine with spending 5 hours debugging why the latest package upgrade broke their entire system.
>sudo apt-get install package2 >Reading package lists... Done >Building dependency tree >Reading state information... Done >Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. >The following information may help to resolve the situation:
>The following packages have unmet dependencies: > package2 : Depends: package1 but it is not going to be installed >E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
Because humans are getting more information and its more comprehensive to them in visual format rather than in textual. "israelites" understand it and that is why they succeeded in making "user-friendly" stuff everyone uses (if it wasn't do everyone would prefer text-based interfaces but they don't, even from practical, not purely aesthetical point of view). You type a command and you have to read and pay attention to ehat exactly you are reading, which gives you strain, that doesn't happen when you just "look at how things work in motion"
>want to install an app on linux
install from the repos >mismatched dependency versions >riddled with distro specific bugs
install as a flatpak >sandbox sucks >limiting permissions because the flathub guys said so >giant packages because of muh runtimes
install as a snap >can be unsandboxed >most apps are still sandboxed though because reasons >automatic updates because fuck you >want to disable it? here's a hack after 5 years >also, install 3 versions of the same app because we ain't gonna store shit
install as an appimage >doesn't depend on a single package from the system >lol jk let me break because you don't have fuse 2 installed
compile from source >same problems from installing from a repo + is a pain in the butt
>want to install an app on windows >download and run exe >just werks
it's always the same with you retards.
It is not 'hard' to use a system. They are all just built different.
If you are not used to something of course you will perceive it as hard.
The wonderful part of technology are all the available options from which you can freely choose. Or just install everything at once and be done with it.
$ apt Install zellij > not found
$ cargo install zellij > cargo not found. use snap or apt?
$ snap install rust up
$ cargo > something like default environment not found
$ rustup ....
$ rustup default ...
$ cargo install zellij > cc not found
$ apt install build-essential
$ cargo install zellij > takes ages downloading shit
$ zellij > not found
manually edit .bashrc
>windows >option to install via GUI and specific settings >can silent install with various values (if supportrd by devs) >can use winget or third party installers to install via command line if so wish
>linux >command line >has gui version but not always the version or package you want >gui version usually not maintained that regularly >doesn't always work
The Linux way is extremely retarded, you may end up with some bullshit like broken dependencies, also what is up with this shit, I never seen something like that in Windows yet it just worked.
and that is for apps that are on the "server". Some of the linux apps you have to build yourself (fucking lmao) where you enter a lot more lines and then you use some complex retarded thing again to remove the app.
Hahaha yeah dlls? Nah everything is surely statically compiled on Windows never broken dependency wee!!!
my favorite thing is how people like to pretend that you can't just package shared objects when distributing to linux. giga retards have no clue what the fuck an rpath is
meanwhile on windows, the dll loader will take an absolute gigantic shit on you if your dll has the same name and a manifest collision with another dll already loaded into memory. absolute fucking clown operating system.
> how people like to pretend that you can't just package shared objects when distributing to linux.
No one ever does it.
For some reason that eludes me, Linux developers have dedicated 20 years to trying to find increasingly elaborate ways to package and distribute software.
There's snaps, appimages, flatpaks, there's compiling from source, there's like 5 different package managers, there's the AUR (which isn't much better than downloading random shit from the Internet).
They all have their own downsides, and none of them are doable without having an internet connection, unless you mirror EVERYTHING locally, which is a funny concept. Linux's answer to being forced to use the Internet to install stuff is "just download all the software ever bro".
For some reason I just can't fathom, Linux devs just never go with the simplest option which is literally to just share a compiled binary like all Windows developers do.
I've only ever seen one or two pieces of Linux software that just had an executable that ran natively.
I always, always hear about how Windows is LE BAD because you can download shit from the Internet and run it. Aren't you people supposed to be technologically literate?
This makes it sound like the average Linux user will just download shit off of download.com and run it instead of just, you know, looking for the dev's website and downloading it from there.
I just wish ReactOS and Linux traded places. Linux is a mainframe multiuser OS twisted into something resembling a PC OS. It's like hammering a nail with a screwdriver.
ReactOS would actually have a chance to gain proper traction if it had the same level of hardware support as Linux has. Linux's horrible way of handling software is the reason why it has never gained any traction, and indeed remains little more than a toy OS. No one but NEETs with nothing but spare time has the patience to deal with the minutiae of package managers.
Why on earth would they share binaries that is a massive security concern, that's what the package managers are doing anyway, pre-compiled from a trusted source to prevent contamination from downloading random binaries, smart enough to not need protecting? Compile your shit from source yourself.
>Why would they
>that's what they're doing anyway
huh???
I just download the installer from the official source and click next-next-finish.
Hasn't been a problem for the past 15 years. Most large apps make sure that common/shared deps like visual c++ runtime are installed and the rest of the DLLs are pacakged with the app.
>meanwhile on windows, the dll loader will take an absolute gigantic shit on you if your dll has the same name and a manifest collision with another dll already loaded into memory.
I don't remember from the top of my head if it indeed does this or you're just daydreaming, but this is good. Seems like Windows has the sane behavior of not allowing hard to debug scenarios due to name collision. If I remember correctly though I think you are just daydreaming. As long as you use full path to a DLL it will load it as the two paths will be different.
>The Linux way is extremely retarded, you may end up with some bullshit like broken dependencies
I don't know I've used Linux distros for a decade and haven't had that happen. Repo jannies just have stuff working
The only time I've had dependency issues was when I tried installing the latest kernel release on Ubuntu. It depended on a newer version of some package that Ubuntu didn't have in that release. Wasn't a big deal
>le works on my machine 🙂
Yes, we all know linux works great when the only thing you use it for it is rice your desktop, change your tranime feet wallpapers and browse the web. But one day you will also need to grow up and start using your computer for actual productive work.
I use stock Ubuntu, I don't even change the wallpaper
> super obscure issue that affects very old OS's
> omg this one rare event makes the constant fear of windows issues easier to bear
>you may end up with some bullshit like broken dependencies
Fun fact: this never happens and you are gay. If Debian has packaged the software and you can just fetch it with apt then it will work. If you added some broken third party repo from India then it's 100% your fault. It would be broken on Windows as well since it's from an incompetent maintainer.
There's only one person ever who had this happen. He also happens to make money from video view counts. Anyone else would have stopped after all the warnings telling something is not right. I'm sure these things aren't related at all.
I agree about dependencies and pic should be updated for flatpak
>you may end up with some bullshit like broken dependencies,
filtered
>what is scoop
>what is choco
>what is winget
>what is msstore
still using linux anyways
>What is Winget?
A useless piece of shit that only automates the first step
it will download and silently install the bulk of msis
From a user experience it is the same as the linux example in OP.
UAC will pester you for each and every program to ask you if you're sure, when Linux does not
>Disable UAC
Then the adware also gets through
what happened to cygwin
>cygwin
i know nothing about that particular word
it's dead afaik
why use cygwin when WSL exists?
other than requiring use of the windows store, enabling windows features, and not actually having a native experience, WSL replaces basically 100% of cygwin features
You're literally trusting them not to inject shit into every program you install when using a program manager on Linux.
This. I'm glad microsoft solved this problem for me.
Not me.
I use Gentoo.
Why would the distro maintainers poison some random package instead of the OS itself? Why do you think Microsoft/Apple wouldn't do anything similar?
>program manager
>you literally just write "install" followed by whatever program you want and it does it
Ok
>sudo apt install steam
Yes?
Yes, do as I say.
dont use meme distros and you wont do a linus
old ass linus reference
Doesn't work. You need to edit /etc/sources or some shit to include non free packages.
but you use the auto sync which is built in to the distro, but it selects a far server for some reason and you're wondering why everythings downloading at 50kbps
>installing debian
>do you want to enable nonfree repos
>no
>wahhh i tried to install nonfree software but the repo wasnt enabled
How the fuck would normies know the intrinsic of open software vs closed software and forecast the future where he would never need non free software?
Guess it was not that easy to install on Linux, uh?
>being a drooling retard incapable installing an OS or using multiple brain cells at once
>somehow decides to install debian gnu/linux
youre the drooling retard, arent you.
>thinks hes a normie
>y
>enter
>x number of packages has been installed.
It's that easy.
>*deletes your desktop environment*
sudo: apt: command not found
$yes, do as i say!
>you literally just write "install" followed by whatever program you want and it does it
Ok
>sudo apt install photoshop
Seems like someone lied
Nothing exists except an endless present in which the package manager is always right.
>try to install something from command line
>it's not in the package manager repo
>have to install another package manager
>try installing again with the new manager
>"you need 200 other dependencies, this will take up 3.5 GB"
>sigh
>press Y
>30 minutes later
>try to run the new program
>it crashes on startup and spits out a laundry list of undecipherable errors
>troubleshoot for 2 hours
Now, 95% of the time this isn't the case, but when it does happen it's fucking annoying and makes me wonder why I even bother.
>not using a source based distribution
Ewwww.
nagasaki remilia UOOOOOH ToT
>it's not in the package manager repo
Not a problem on Arch
>You literally just write 'install'
lmao
>you literally just write "install"
>actually the command is a spergfest of sudo, apt-get and then install and then a whole load of shit that you might or might not need to confirm not to mention this only applies to Debian based distros
Also
>What is Chocolatey
>What is the Windows Store
>What is almost every freetard program also having a Windows version
>then a whole load of shit that you might or might not need to confirm
Or just add -y
if it makes you happy, why worry about what others think?
>sudo apt-get install Google chrome
>it doesn't werk
Linux is garbage
spelling errors in this image aside
>you have to find the installer
>download shit to desktop and not some random fucking directory like OP implies
Wow that sure is difficult, good thing I have this deep knowledge now that works on both platforms
why do installers exist at all? why does the registry exist?
i fucking hate software engineers, bunch of retards. just distribute everything as portable, let me just fucking unzip it and run ffs
stupid fucking naggers
appimage
flatpak
too bad windows will never get either lololol
>windows
you can choose where to install
>linux
you cannot choose
>you cannot choose
sure you can, you just have to edit some values in the config somewhere that may or may not break the rest of your system
and that's absolutely a good thing
40 year old cuck virgin is a LULZ mod
Extremely fitting as he is probably one of the only "people" on Earth pathetic, desperate, lonely, and hollow enough to be this much of brazen homosexual.
because it wasnt designed by computer experts.
Linux cultists love to pretend that the windows style installer takes any kind of effort whatsoever. Meanwhile in reality, if the software you want to install is not in your distro's repo, because some tranny repo maintainer with a god complex decided it's not worthy to be used by anyone (which happens more often than not), you have to either:
>track down and add some dodgy PPA (if it exists at all) hosted by god knows what chink and risk installing compromised code
>try to compile from source and after having spent hours tracking down every retarded dependency and its specific version while fighting with conflicting packages on your system, you hit a dead end where one specific version of some library isn't available anywhere
>dodgy executable on the internet
>try to compile from source
Literally the only two options on Windows.
There's nothing dodgy if you've downloaded it from a trusted source. At the end of the day you still need to put your trust in the official repo maintainers themselves, whose packages are proven to be compromise by a malicious entity with enough intent. At the end of the day there is no difference security-wise if you downloaded an installer from the official site and installing it via a package manager.
Also package managers break all the fucking time just from regular usage and are a nightmare to fix. A single broken package installation could render your entire system unable to install any new ones until you fix it. On windows, if an installer shits the bed it's not going to affect anything else.
>package managers break all the fucking time just from regular usage
Never happened to me and I've been using Linux for over a decade.
meanwhile in reality your ubuntu firewall needs python to work otherwise you get locked out of your remote box
meanwhile in reality yum had a high chance of bricking your system if you hadnt updated centos in a few years
meanwhile in reality pacman has no way to recover broken file systems
"b-but it works on my system with 23 root-fs backups, so long as i dont update, and so long as i dont need to use old software requiring a dependency my package manger has a newer version of"
>meanwhile in reality your ubuntu firewall needs python to work otherwise you get locked out of your remote box
And?
...because pyshit is such a lovely language that doesn't change every major revision and "needs" specialist container software to simply run on a developers machine
It doesn't change every major revision. Code that worked in Python 3.1 will work in Python 3.12. Again, I've never in my life seen this ever be an issue. Maybe you're just too stupid to use a computer.
>Maybe you're just too stupid to use a compute
says the retard getting filtered by a fucking windows installer
That's just not true. Why talk about shit you don't understand? There are breaking changes between even minor python versions now.
Ok? Your firewall is still gonna work with the system Python
>Aspie upset volunteers don't cater to their needs
Its not hard for you to maintain the packages you need... stop bitching
Use pkgsrc or nix
seethe cope and dilate. he is right though. trannys constantly remove software over drama instead of focusing on quality releases and unifying their build chains. it's to the point where competent projects with hermetic build-pipelines under winshit have a better chance at being hassle free than linking against a bunch of uncontained spaghetti shit built by a million and two freetarded tools maintained by troons gluing shit together in python and bash.
Ah yes, because I definitely want to waste more time of my life dealing with yet another package manager and even more inane linux shit.
>WingetUI
>Much better than Linux' "Discover", "Flathub", etc.
Seethe and dilate, Linux trannies.
>type program name into google
>download exe from official website and run it
>click 'next' 3 times
>program is ready to run
This is "hard to use" according to linuxtards, yet they are perfectly fine with spending 5 hours debugging why the latest package upgrade broke their entire system.
>click 'next' 3 times
congratulations you have now installed 75 browser addons
>Open terminal
>sudo apt install Firefox
>Done
Who is faster
>google
hope you double check the results because it gives malware over official links a lot of the time
Let’s see an offline install
Easy!
nagger.AppImage
Or, if you are of supreme intelligence
dpkg -i nagger.apt
The same is valid of all the other distros. And still faster than Windows.
(Me)
I wanted to write .deb, not .apt. Guess I am the nagger after all.
just literally open the microsoft store, search for the app and click install
>sudo apt install autodesk-autocad2022
They are making fun of Windows sir! Shut it down, Rajesh, shut it down!!!
>type install
>it removes the os and installs the package
if you don't tell otherwise apt will also install "~~*recommended*~~ but optional dependencies" when you do that shit
Ok.
sudo install autocad
>sudo apt-get install package2
>Reading package lists... Done
>Building dependency tree
>Reading state information... Done
>Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming.
>The following information may help to resolve the situation:
>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> package2 : Depends: package1 but it is not going to be installed
>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
so easy
Scoop, chocolatey and winget *sigh*
Because humans are getting more information and its more comprehensive to them in visual format rather than in textual. "israelites" understand it and that is why they succeeded in making "user-friendly" stuff everyone uses (if it wasn't do everyone would prefer text-based interfaces but they don't, even from practical, not purely aesthetical point of view). You type a command and you have to read and pay attention to ehat exactly you are reading, which gives you strain, that doesn't happen when you just "look at how things work in motion"
>want to install an app on linux
install from the repos
>mismatched dependency versions
>riddled with distro specific bugs
install as a flatpak
>sandbox sucks
>limiting permissions because the flathub guys said so
>giant packages because of muh runtimes
install as a snap
>can be unsandboxed
>most apps are still sandboxed though because reasons
>automatic updates because fuck you
>want to disable it? here's a hack after 5 years
>also, install 3 versions of the same app because we ain't gonna store shit
install as an appimage
>doesn't depend on a single package from the system
>lol jk let me break because you don't have fuse 2 installed
compile from source
>same problems from installing from a repo + is a pain in the butt
>want to install an app on windows
>download and run exe
>just werks
>Why is Windows so hard to use?
>Linux
Please keep your tranny malware discussions in the designated Linux threads, thanks.
I wouldn't characterize it as hard to use, but it's definitely garbage that we've been psyoped into using that's for damn sure
it's always the same with you retards.
It is not 'hard' to use a system. They are all just built different.
If you are not used to something of course you will perceive it as hard.
The wonderful part of technology are all the available options from which you can freely choose. Or just install everything at once and be done with it.
$ apt Install zellij
> not found
$ cargo install zellij
> cargo not found. use snap or apt?
$ snap install rust up
$ cargo
> something like default environment not found
$ rustup ....
$ rustup default ...
$ cargo install zellij
> cc not found
$ apt install build-essential
$ cargo install zellij
> takes ages downloading shit
$ zellij
> not found
manually edit .bashrc
>rustroon thinks cargo comes by default on any os
pebcak
>windows
>option to install via GUI and specific settings
>can silent install with various values (if supportrd by devs)
>can use winget or third party installers to install via command line if so wish
>linux
>command line
>has gui version but not always the version or package you want
>gui version usually not maintained that regularly
>doesn't always work
>vs MacOS just drag it to application folder and it works
How similar are DMGs to AppImages?