i thought that once i grew up i would be able to find a place of security and peace but i don't think it exists
everyone is so corrupted and evil
they either want to exploit me, steal from me, attack me, or have sex with me
i can't take normal society it suffocates me
the should put truth drugs in the water rather than whatever they do
dont hold people in high regards in the first place, people are up to no good
i don't want to give up hope though i might as well just die if i accept that the entire world is hopelessly evil
everyone parades around shouting about how good they are and i used to believe it but really they are all motivated badly
i'm so stupid falling for their lies
i really thought the world was about more than money and sex to people
Don't care if you convert or what you believe, but the Bible literally says that no one is good and the material world is run by Satan.
I never used to believe it either but now I really understand.
You don't have to give up, you just need to learn how to identify the best people.
>the Bible literally says that no one is good
you sure did a lot of paraphrasing there, rabbi
where exactly does it say that in the bible?
Sorry, I'm not a scholar. I repeat things from sermons I heard over 10 years ago to the best of my memory.
https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/ROM.3.10-12
But poor phrasing aside you should be familiar with the faith not works argument. I shouldn't even have to explain this to you.
>https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/ROM.3.10-12
This isn't exactly relevant, as Paul is claiming about how he can not find a good man. He isn't talking about the existence of a good one or lack there of.
A better quote would be Luke 18:18-19 "And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God."
I called you out for paraphrasing because you neglect to state that the one who is good as described by the bible is God. To leave that out is not only misleading to those who don't know the bible, but it is also only telling them half of the answer of the truth.
I left it out because stating that usually auto triggers people into a reflexive "but how can God be good if bad things happen?" diatribe. And I don't feel like explaining the free will principle for the millionth time.
But yes your verse is much better suited for this discussion. You know (real religious, not atheist) israelites believe in God as well right? The old testament is the israeli Torah.
They just God mad at Jesus because they misunderstood his teachings. The whole thing is a shame really
Nice bait thread, you 40yo obese homosexual
how is it even bait? who am i baiting?
i don't know i found some music which made me pretty emotional
i also went out for the first time in a good while
>decide to track down someone i knew at university
>manage to call them
>they actually agree to meet up
>we go out
>interact with normals casually for the first time since i graduated
>everything is about sex and money
>everyone is trying to impress each other with bragging and stuff
>i just want to chat and hang out
i guess i went to the place people go for sex but i forgot how bad it is
the bigger thing though has been realising that the people i used to look up to for guidance are really not good people
i don't know any good people
which would be one thing but they don't recognise their own wickedness and that's what really upsets me
it's like people can't even be honest
i'm not going to pretend i'm a wonderful person but i at least acknowledge my faults
please direct me towards them then because it seems like that is literally everybody
ahhh, i see. normie interactions go like this most of the time, i just had one of these office parties and everyone was talking about money. id say my job isn't that hard, but having to interact with this kind of people is what makes it tiring.
recognizing your own flags can be tricky when your self esteem is too high too, which is usually the case.
you don't know any good person? like, not even 1? that's tough, anon, you have been really unlucky
i can't think of anybody i would call really good
i used to just assume my family were, at least my extended family, but i've come to realise they really aren't and that they are perhaps more deluded than most
the people i work with aren't super malicious but they are selfish, conceited, and a little cruel
the kingdom of man is the opposite of the kingdom of God but that doesn't mean people have to strive to make it as bad as possible
my family are ardent atheists and i used to try and be christian but the churches i tried going to were very unwelcoming they were full of crusty old boomers who were super judgemental and sort of just treated it like a tea club
if they punched me in the face then they aren't very nice
i'm a horrible person i don't presume to be better than anyone at anything but the one thing i am is at least self aware enough to recognise this
i can't stand people bragging about themselves and as though it makes a difference as to how i treat them
there definitely is a crab mentallity when i stopped drinking alcohol my family wouldn't stop accosting me about it they seemed to think i had gone mad and people kept gifting me fancy liquor for some reason which i had to awkwardly decline
they still pressure me to drink every time i see them and i never talk about it i don't judge them for drinking i just don't enjoy it
i only ever read a children's bible in my school library but one thing which always stuck with me was
>let he who is without sin cast the first stone
we are all sinners at the very least we bare original sin
anyone who claims to be wholly good is simply ignorant of their failings
but i'm not a christian i don't know if i even believe in God anymore though there is a lot of wisdom in christianity and it makes the world a better place
i wish i could be really faithful
>if they punched me in the face then they aren't very nice
being nice isn't what you do it's why you do it
It wasn't very nice of the American army to kick the shit in of the Nazis if you consider punching to be evil, but after all is said and done they were the good guys.
And no, you aren't self aware as per the very reason of this thread being that you are asking why you are in the situation you are now. At least have the intelligence to acknowledge that.
>anyone who claims to be wholly good is simply ignorant of their failings
Who's claiming that? Jesus isn't.
>i wish i could be really faithful
Then open the bible and understand why all the teachings are there in the first place? It's not hard. You just lack the discipline to convince yourself that you may be wrong about something.
Remind me again how Christianity conquered the world was it by the sword? Oh wait, no it wasn't.
Have you not even read the old testament? Do you not even know how many wars the israelites went into? And how many of them were encouraged or outright commanded by God?
that sucks, anon.
one of the saddest truths, in my opinion, is that your family won't always be good just because they are your family. in the end, they're people like anybody else, and even worse, they can hurt you more if you expect too much from them. in some sense, i think you can find friends that could potentially be better than them, too.
is your work environment too harsh? from what you describe, it sounds like a typical place, but it doesn't quit the fact that it's still a bad thing to go through...
People aren't striving to make it bad as possible. They are simply acting in exclusive self interest to the detrimental of everyone else. This is what sin is. Someone doesn't even need to be outright malicious to go around ruining perfection. They just need to put their own needs before everyone else. One person starts and then everyone starts and perfect Harmony is tainted.
>please direct me towards them then because it seems like that is literally everybody
you wouldn't know them even if they punched you in the face
quit being such a narcissist and you'll naturally find them
What in the flying fuck are you talking about?
>What in the flying fuck are you talking about?
Some of us are stuck in shitty groups, which enable shitty behavior, we don't want to become a shitty person and want the same for our loved ones, they become the very people you both used to despise ie narcissistic hedonists. You get ostracized by then and others for not becoming like them to fit in, you see this fake behavior in every group dynamic and some anon tells you it's your fault for not finding a decent group as if it's that simple based on your realization from experience.
>Some of us are stuck in shitty groups
Then learn to grow up and be accountable for your actions. You are responsible for how decent of a human being you are.
The rest sounds like some narcissistic gibberish rant about how victimized you are or some shit.
Other anons have already examined how superficial it is with others, often times at no consideration of how they account for their actions, your turning into as if I'm the one at fault for my actions when it's not the case, the fact that I don't enable their behavior is what causes the ostracization. I'll remain a decent person, if that means I'm seen as a child because I refuse to act two faced compared to them then so be it. Also the fact that you call me the narcissist after explaining how narcissists around me corrupted my loved ones to be just as vile, is telling. It is what it is, but damn if you're just victim blaming because you don't like how you've become like the others and try to project onto those who haven't decided to lose themselves to the group.
>Other anons have already examined how superficial it is with others
I literally did just that in the first post I made, the first one you responded to me with.
I said that you are hanging around a bunch of retarded hedonists.
If you are going to read into what I say with such little care or value in my time then I can see that it's not even worth responding to your childish narcissistic rants or self victimizing posts about how you aren't to be blamed for your own actions. Grow up.
We know how hedonistic they are, we're not dismissing what you said, the only one who isn't reading into it and dismissing even OP's statement that people in general are acting like this and it's difficult to find a decent group who isn't with narcissistic hedonists, and that some of us don't even have an option to cut these people off, is you. We are telling you what our perspective is after these traumatic experiences from those who don't care about being blamed for their actions and you blame us, wtf. I have not denied my actions lead to ostracization in fact that's what I have been saying, I've also been saying I won't sacrifice myself by "growing up" which is to be just like them two faced, blaming someone for not liking how they are unjustly treated, enabling a pecking order. We are just venting, you call it a rant because ultimately we know people won't change you just want to hear about it.
i think you get it anon
i don't want to capitulate and embrace badness for the sake of coping
i can't handle an "acceptable" level of wrong but it's also not my place to police people so it's an endless hailstorm and it's exhausting
i always try to see the good in people but it's like they actively don't want me to and i'm not pushy or forward but still everywhere is like a minefield
i just try and tiptoe around doing my chores and not disturbing anyone but that is still somehow a transgression
enlighten me then
you keep alluding to this reason but wont just say what it is and you're very aggressive for no reason i can fathon
>Who's claiming that?
what exactly do you think
>let he who is without sin cast the first stone
means? even Jesus doesn't throw one
yeah my dad exploited me for cheap labour for years while beating down on me and not letting me get qualifications to escape, as he had promised
i try not to hate him but every time i see him he just demands thinga because "he raised me" and apparently that's a debt i can never repay
it makes the relationship hard though i suppose my birth ruined his life in some sense but well wth could i have done
>work
i just let myself be used by being passive and agreeable
i don't mind working while others slack off but people stealing my tools made me quit and i've been sort of working but spending savings on my own since
the worst i deal with now is haggling which i hate but it's reasonable at least
have you not read history or the new testament? christianity didn't exist until christ you spoon
>and you're very aggressive for no reason i can fathon
classic female tactic of telling others they're mad for no reason when all they're doing is telling them why they're wrong
Like seriously, I haven't even said nagger once. Keep projecting.
>means? even Jesus doesn't throw one
If you are going to reply to the comment that I made talking to an entirely different anon then please take the time to actually read the comment that I left. I quoted Luke 18:18-19 and under that I explained why what he said was a lie. He said that the bible says no one is good, but God is good and God is someone.
God has told us to go to war when it was necessary. God also tells us to love each other because that's what we're supposed to do. I don't know what kind of contradiction you think I'm saying here but I can assure you that there's no contradiction here at all.
>have you not read history or the new testament? christianity didn't exist until christ you spoon
It's the same God you moron.
You're constantly talking about violence and punching people and you don't understand why you come across as aggressive? You don't even make an attempt to understand the other side. You're not interested in reconciliation only subjugation.
>You're not interested in reconciliation only subjugation.
What?
Alright, if you don't have anything more than ad hominem or acts that are entirely made to describe my character then I guess I'm done here.
you haven't said why at all to my mind you just throw out crude statements with no explaination like
>nobody can ever actually be victimised
>everyone has complete luxury of freedom of assocation
>you can magically find people of any calibre effortlessly
>you just don't want to be convinced
>but i'm not providing any argument
Jesus went willingly to his death even though he could have in all probability escaped
what about turning the other cheek?
that's literally all you've done
people like you are exactly the type who turn me off christianity
you're the fire and brimstone type
i don't fear going to hell because if i do i deserve it
i fear that i'm not strong enough to accept that God loves me because i don't love myself
when i see the type of people who do and who call themselves veritable saints it makes me doubt the veracity of the entire thing
Jesus loved and aided everyone from lepers and whores to kings and merchants while suffering persecution and ridicule: if that is goodness i don't see it in the holier than thou posturers making a point of their actions and measuring themselves against other people
everyone is flawed certainly the list of my wickedness is endless but it seems like the becoming thing to do is brag about how great you are rather than be honest and i can't do that
>being accountable for your actions is saying that no one can be victimized
That's a reach.
>everyone has complete luxury of freedom of assocation
That's not english.
>you can magically find people of any calibre effortlessly
That's a reach. If you've ever in your life developed a hobby you would know that you are capable of finding friends through it. So it actually is effortless if you know what you're doing.
>you just don't want to be convinced
You're not even saying where this was implied or even said. This is butthurt, I presume.
>but i'm not providing any argument
I assume this is because you didn't even read the full comment above where I quoted Jesus.
>Jesus went willingly to his death even though he could have in all probability escaped
He was fulfilling a prophecy and a covenant. He knew that the only way for God to forgive mankind. Like really, this is shit you can google yourself.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/jesus-died-cross/
>what about turning the other cheek?
What about it? Do you even know why he said that? It was to characterize mercy, sacrificial love, and longsuffering toward sinners. You're confusing mercy for pacifism, which is what all fake Christians of today do.
Like, seriously, this ALSO can just be googled.
https://www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.html
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>i fear that i'm not strong enough to accept that God loves me because i don't love myself
Well then work on your flaws so then you can accept yourself and learn to accept God. It's not hard. Jesus did it. The apostles did it. Millions of real Christians are doing it to this day. The only difference is that you self-hate because you cherrypick what you want to look at. You think the world should be perfect and peaceful when in reality it's not.
If anything you just need a wakeup call for how the world works. You seem way too sheltered.
>when i see the type of people who do and who call themselves veritable saints it makes me doubt the veracity of the entire thing
Look around and figure out where you are. This is LULZ. /LULZ/ to be exact. If you're on here you're a loser just as everyone else around here.
>if that is goodness i don't see it in the holier than thou posturers making a point of their actions and measuring themselves against other people
Jesus also made distinct acts to claim he was holier than thou to the Pharisees. Funnily enough, in the very same chapter of the turn your other cheek quote, he then harps at the Pharisees saying that he is the son of God and anyone who wishes to not be in darkness but to be in light must follow him.
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ah man, that sucks, i'm really sorry... do you still live with him? he sounds like a terrible person
and anon, dont feel bad for hating him, he's done nothing bud bad things to you. you didn't have a word, nobody asked you if you wanted to be born. if you were born then it's his fault and he has no rights to say you ruined his life. HE ruined his own life, you shouldn't be paying for his mistakes. when he gets old and comes back to you, i hope he remembers all those times where he fucked you up
>work
i can relate to this, anon. i guess it would be better if we could just do the regular amount of work without having to deal with people like that, huh.... i hope you can find a job where you feel more comfortable, anon
no i haven't lived with him for years and i don't hate him
i really try and have a good relationship but the only time he talks to me is when he wants me to do something so it's hard
>he's done nothing bud bad things to you
yeah but he's still half of me and i wouldn't exist without him so
i'm not even looking for a relationship and i certainly don't want casual sex
i was a dorky ugly duckling as a kid but after i moved out i got serious about my diet and working out and learned how to socialise and now i'm like aware of girls (and guys) coming onto me (and also realised all the opportunities i missed when i was younger) and it makes me really uncomfortable honestly because i know it would just be ephemeral sex and i don't like the idea that someone is talking to me just to get into my pants
hi anon, what happened? did any event in particulat prompt this post
i think its the opposite, you only realize how fucked up the world is when you grow up
>they either want to exploit me, steal from me, attack me, or have sex with me
well no shit if you're hanging around a bunch of retarded hedonists
either actually find a decent group of people to hang around or fuck off, you're nothing more than an attention whore at this point
Some of us risk hurting the family because those very people's behavior gets excused. That's why cults form the culture enabled by the people because that's what they want because they do it as well. The few of us who don't want to either stick our necks out to stop that behavior from occuring to our loved ones or risk ostracization is social suicide. What's worse is seeing your loved one turn into those very people. Finding good decent group isn't that simple if it was you wouldn't even be here posting some pull yourself up by the bootstraps bs.
because humans are complete garbage
speak for yourself buddy
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Well historically, women used to be more dependent on men for security and didn't have the same opportunities that exist today. Don't listen to these incels on this board who are bitter and can't get dates, they are just here to be mean.