He never got over the edgy militant atheist edgelord era of the 2000s where he culturally peaked. That type of mindset prizes objectivity and “le facts”, but to an extreme and absolute degree, at the expense of compassion and cultural flexibility. To a degree that the people involved actually derive joy from constantly mocking and belittling others.
It’s not about mind body dualism, most cis people technically agree with Dawkins to some extent, they are all sex-essentialist. They see MtFs as estrogenised males (which btw is why you should stealth and pass). But most cis people have some sense of compassion, they understand that MtFs are in pain/distress over not being female. As long as an MtF is making genuine effort through hrt and presenting feminine, many normies see no issue with acknowledging a “male who looks like a woman” under some category of trans woman, as long as the distinction between trans and cis is maintained.
What sets Dawkins apart is that his absolute rigidity about “the facts and logic” makes him explode into a tard rage of a moral crusade about the definition of a woman. He keeps saying “males and females exist, don’t forget this”, not fully aware that we all still know this, even most trans people remain aware of it, it isn’t biological realities being denied, but that various social and linguistic aspects are being tweaked out of compassion.
It’s not that Dawkin’s type of mindset died out, it’s just that the militant atheist edgelords of the 2000s became the chuds of today
>muh compassion
If it's about compassion then transphobe right-wing people and Dawkins are absolutely fucking right, trans people shouldn't be acknowledged at all.
Trans rights should be a thing because being trans is a real thing with a biological and medical basis to it, period (passing or not has nothing to do with it btw). Not because of compassion, or pity, or fee fees, or subjective bullshit.
good post
Terrible post, as expected for a terrible self-hating transphobe board.
>Trans rights should be a thing because being trans is a real thing with a biological and medical basis to it
yes but absolutely nobody argues for trans rights based on this
>most cis people technically agree with Dawkins to some extent, they are all sex-essentialist
Normies don't care about the "muh gametes" argument that he hinges on, it's just something that transphobes who actually understand biology use because it's one characteristic that's both unchangeable and truly binary (the ones that don't care about being called out on their bullshit latch onto chromosomes and ignore intersex people).
The average person goes by "if it looks like a man I call it a 'he', if it looks like a woman I call it a 'she'", but feel uncomfortable when pressed on it.
Yeah most normies don’t go as far as even knowing the gametes argument, but they do still see MtFs as males, and can’t say what exactly makes an MtF a woman. They just didn’t give it that much thought, honestly. It wouldn’t say it is as pleasant as “because she looks like a woman, so she is a woman”. They specifically think of MtFs as males who look like women, male as in “born with a penis” (if you press them with intersex arguments, they just get uncomfortable), but hey since the male looks like a woman and wants to be called a woman, why not do that instead of being an asshole?
I’m this level of cynical about cis people because I spent a while as a cis repper with mutual trans acquaintances, hearing those acquaintances get misgendered behind their backs. By cis people who were otherwise nice, even being nice behind their backs except for the misgendering, and these people are nowhere as openly transphobic as Dawkins nor know anything about gametes or whatever
I've found this to be 100% true
I've been really frustrated, I started hormones a year ago and my friends are all libs but they've been sending me the dumbest shit lately. I'm convinced at this point they are falling prey to the "I used to be a lefty now let me give you insane talking points" heads. I recently had to answer a ton of their questions like if Dylan Mulvaney is actually on HRT, aren't I worried about all the people transitioning who aren't actually trans and other retarded stuff. I'm trying to be compassionate but christ on a cross the "free thinkers" seek incredibly susceptible to rigid thinking and misinformation.
Really hoping they dont.juwt get sucked down the libertarian to alt right pipeline.
This one, I don't know why we make so many shitty terfs but it's true. I've got an uninformed reckon that it's a symptom of a larger general mood which is that "things are meant to be shit". If you're trans and actively trying to fix that you're going against how things are meant to be.
He's not really an atheist he's just an attention whore, he pretty much focuses on christianity with his diatribes. He's the prototypical strawman fedora atheist with a cheap katana on the wall of his cum-stained bedroom. The antitrans thing is just another way of being an attention whore.
Because the trans community chose to ally itself (or was forced to ally) with the >Everyone is valid, Everything is sociological, Everything is racist, Science is colonialist
crowd, instead of the >Logical fallacy! Let's debate! Science is the poetry of reality!
crowd.
fallacy! Let's debate! Science is the poetry of reality!
Debate is for homosexual nerds and science is fundamentally altered by the social context in which it takes place.
He's literally just 'I'm not like other christians I'm le atheist!'
Theologeans are worth more reading about than his takes on religion, he hasn't published anything noteworthy since Selfish Gene. The only reason he's still remembered is because he's an histrionic dipshit
The secular religion of atheism is closely tied with the secular religion of transgenderism, but there are some instances where they're at odds. My advice? Find God and recognise the beauty and necessity of organised religion to prevent either of these ghastly secular religions from taking hold.
[...] fallacy! Let's debate! Science is the poetry of reality!
Debate is for homosexual nerds and science is fundamentally altered by the social context in which it takes place.
Mate you believe men can become women. Your ideology acts exactly like a cult. Come on. Stop being 14.
you literally worship a schizophrenic apocalypse preacher israelite, who given the chance would disown the religions created in his name
you probably also deny the reality of trans brain differences and think that invisible chromosomes are more important than gene expression
because free will is mostly a cope and our views can very often be predicted on the basis of socio economical factors. or in other words, because he's a rich white boomer. him having some good takes on religion doesn't negate that.
Because like all atheists he's a materialist turbo homosexual.
Mind-brain dualism isn't a materialist position, and that's what the "gender dysphoria don't real" argument boils down to.
He never got over the edgy militant atheist edgelord era of the 2000s where he culturally peaked. That type of mindset prizes objectivity and “le facts”, but to an extreme and absolute degree, at the expense of compassion and cultural flexibility. To a degree that the people involved actually derive joy from constantly mocking and belittling others.
It’s not about mind body dualism, most cis people technically agree with Dawkins to some extent, they are all sex-essentialist. They see MtFs as estrogenised males (which btw is why you should stealth and pass). But most cis people have some sense of compassion, they understand that MtFs are in pain/distress over not being female. As long as an MtF is making genuine effort through hrt and presenting feminine, many normies see no issue with acknowledging a “male who looks like a woman” under some category of trans woman, as long as the distinction between trans and cis is maintained.
What sets Dawkins apart is that his absolute rigidity about “the facts and logic” makes him explode into a tard rage of a moral crusade about the definition of a woman. He keeps saying “males and females exist, don’t forget this”, not fully aware that we all still know this, even most trans people remain aware of it, it isn’t biological realities being denied, but that various social and linguistic aspects are being tweaked out of compassion.
It’s not that Dawkin’s type of mindset died out, it’s just that the militant atheist edgelords of the 2000s became the chuds of today
good post
>muh compassion
If it's about compassion then transphobe right-wing people and Dawkins are absolutely fucking right, trans people shouldn't be acknowledged at all.
Trans rights should be a thing because being trans is a real thing with a biological and medical basis to it, period (passing or not has nothing to do with it btw). Not because of compassion, or pity, or fee fees, or subjective bullshit.
Terrible post, as expected for a terrible self-hating transphobe board.
>Trans rights should be a thing because being trans is a real thing with a biological and medical basis to it
yes but absolutely nobody argues for trans rights based on this
Yep but no trannies are up to that idea anymore. Everything is butleresque now.
>Everything is butleresque now.
As well intentioned she might've been, she's been a disaster for us.
>most cis people technically agree with Dawkins to some extent, they are all sex-essentialist
Normies don't care about the "muh gametes" argument that he hinges on, it's just something that transphobes who actually understand biology use because it's one characteristic that's both unchangeable and truly binary (the ones that don't care about being called out on their bullshit latch onto chromosomes and ignore intersex people).
The average person goes by "if it looks like a man I call it a 'he', if it looks like a woman I call it a 'she'", but feel uncomfortable when pressed on it.
Yeah most normies don’t go as far as even knowing the gametes argument, but they do still see MtFs as males, and can’t say what exactly makes an MtF a woman. They just didn’t give it that much thought, honestly. It wouldn’t say it is as pleasant as “because she looks like a woman, so she is a woman”. They specifically think of MtFs as males who look like women, male as in “born with a penis” (if you press them with intersex arguments, they just get uncomfortable), but hey since the male looks like a woman and wants to be called a woman, why not do that instead of being an asshole?
I’m this level of cynical about cis people because I spent a while as a cis repper with mutual trans acquaintances, hearing those acquaintances get misgendered behind their backs. By cis people who were otherwise nice, even being nice behind their backs except for the misgendering, and these people are nowhere as openly transphobic as Dawkins nor know anything about gametes or whatever
I expected this small blog to be cringe but it was actually really well said.
I've found this to be 100% true
I've been really frustrated, I started hormones a year ago and my friends are all libs but they've been sending me the dumbest shit lately. I'm convinced at this point they are falling prey to the "I used to be a lefty now let me give you insane talking points" heads. I recently had to answer a ton of their questions like if Dylan Mulvaney is actually on HRT, aren't I worried about all the people transitioning who aren't actually trans and other retarded stuff. I'm trying to be compassionate but christ on a cross the "free thinkers" seek incredibly susceptible to rigid thinking and misinformation.
Really hoping they dont.juwt get sucked down the libertarian to alt right pipeline.
He's based
Stay mad believing your dick is girly
>a materialist turbo homosexual.
That's me too.
literally trannies too
do you even brain
because he's british
This one, I don't know why we make so many shitty terfs but it's true. I've got an uninformed reckon that it's a symptom of a larger general mood which is that "things are meant to be shit". If you're trans and actively trying to fix that you're going against how things are meant to be.
im a transphobic atheist myself
He's not really an atheist he's just an attention whore, he pretty much focuses on christianity with his diatribes. He's the prototypical strawman fedora atheist with a cheap katana on the wall of his cum-stained bedroom. The antitrans thing is just another way of being an attention whore.
because he's a contrarian
dawkins would be unable to reasonably deny medicalist positions, but the Identity stuff is an easy target
Didn't he have a stroke the other year? Usually another follows and then it's goodnight Vienna.
He was with Ms Garrison in that south park episode i dont think hes anti trans
Praise the Lord
So basically he's just a performative athiest.
Where are the public figures who will diss both Christianity and Islam?
He's basically a cuck for the Christians, so I see no fundamental difference between him and a Christfag now.
Because the trans community chose to ally itself (or was forced to ally) with the
>Everyone is valid, Everything is sociological, Everything is racist, Science is colonialist
crowd, instead of the
>Logical fallacy! Let's debate! Science is the poetry of reality!
crowd.
And Dawkins is part of the latter.
fallacy! Let's debate! Science is the poetry of reality!
Debate is for homosexual nerds and science is fundamentally altered by the social context in which it takes place.
Because being trans is irrational to most minds. Like the idea that female and male are platonician ideas.
because he's fake
he bootlicks christians in defence against muslims as if he didn't know history
Being trans is a mental illness. Wake up
>the most famoust atheist
Off the top of my head there's Lenin and Xi Jinping
He's literally just 'I'm not like other christians I'm le atheist!'
Theologeans are worth more reading about than his takes on religion, he hasn't published anything noteworthy since Selfish Gene. The only reason he's still remembered is because he's an histrionic dipshit
The secular religion of atheism is closely tied with the secular religion of transgenderism, but there are some instances where they're at odds. My advice? Find God and recognise the beauty and necessity of organised religion to prevent either of these ghastly secular religions from taking hold.
>God
that shit's for retards. now Buddhism is a real religion, unlike the outdated and pointless desert religions.
>if I accuse you of being a cultist it makes my actual cult seem less crazy
Mate you believe men can become women. Your ideology acts exactly like a cult. Come on. Stop being 14.
You believe a magic guy said you should cut off your foreskin.
>Magic sky daddy
Yes
>Foreskin chop
No
Learn Christianity.
Nobody cares bro, you literally worship a israeli idol. What you do with your dick is irrelevant
you literally worship a schizophrenic apocalypse preacher israelite, who given the chance would disown the religions created in his name
you probably also deny the reality of trans brain differences and think that invisible chromosomes are more important than gene expression
You think that a man can become a woman 🙂
what does atheism have to do with it
Because no one cares about "le reddit atheism" anymore. Trans shit is where it's at now and he's got to stay fresh
He knows deep down, through Christ, all things are possible (me becoming a woman).
because free will is mostly a cope and our views can very often be predicted on the basis of socio economical factors. or in other words, because he's a rich white boomer. him having some good takes on religion doesn't negate that.