Why is nonviolence always used as a metric for progress among modern historians?

Events of mass violence, or even disruptive events such as the black plague, leave things immeasurably better for the people that survive the aftermath. The Thirty Years War made Europe's quality of life higher and made the political economy more egalitarian. Real wages had the highest increase of all time following the black death. Humans - like all primates - will always overconsume their environment until Malthusian factors kick in. Like all primates, humans are also hyper-anxious of what is 'their' territory and personal space, which is why life gets better when tons of people disappear or die. Why then are modern historians so obsessed with metrics such as nonviolence when nonviolent polities are unsustainable for a long duration?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Sure, move to Afghanistan or Syria, then.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Those places had violence imposed on them, they didn't choose it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        /misc/ said they were always violent shitholes

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Are you moronic?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone has a plan till they get hit in the face.

      Those places had violence imposed on them, they didn't choose it.

      >violence is...LE GOOD
      >spends all day on IQfy complaining about violent Black folk
      ngmi

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Everyone has a plan till they get hit in the face.

        Yes violence is good.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >violence is good because uuuhhh, some essay about an anime character for a fight series said so

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Do the ultimate act of violence then and end yourself.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Listen to my hot takes and subversive philosophy
          >Anime shit
          Holy frick, this board is literally full of morons

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What's wrong with anime?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Pedo cartoons that appeal to teens and loser adults with special snowflake syndrome

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That's a good bait.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't say violence is good.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone has a plan till they get hit in the face.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Give me your address so I can rape your family to death then

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    One reason could be that the people in power know that violent upheaval would destroy their carefully cultivated status quo and they would either lose power or an environment where they are vulnerable to losing power will be created

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yup. The serfs gained tons of leverage over the jobles bc their labor was scarce. Hence worth something. They couldn't be treated like cattle anymore.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because violence is... LE BAD.
      Yes, it's the idea of Enlightenment and modernism that humans, being rational and educated people, should be able to figure out the ways to negotiate and find peaceful solutions to conflicts so no more harm and misery would spread further. This kind of logic appeals to philistines who consider short-term peace more valuable than its harmful long-term consequences.
      >Events of mass violence, or even disruptive events such as the black plague, leave things immeasurably better for the people that survive the aftermath.
      This kind of logic is alien to philistines who make most of our politicians, businessmen and thinkers.
      > Humans - like all primates - will always overconsume their environment until Malthusian factors kick in
      Humans overconsume because they have to compete in the market and be prepared to fight wars when they can't compete or stakes are too high.

      Yup. The serfs gained tons of leverage over the jobles bc their labor was scarce. Hence worth something. They couldn't be treated like cattle anymore.

      These guys know something.
      IMO the only way to actually improve human lives would be AI-planned economy and fully automated manufacturing, and the only way to reach this state of things would be disastrous WW3 that would end up in great human casualties, large scale army recruitment and require lots of manufacturing to be done

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Yes, it's the idea of Enlightenment and modernism that humans, being rational and educated people, should be able to figure out the ways to negotiate and find peaceful solutions to conflicts so no more harm and misery would spread further. This kind of logic appeals to philistines who consider short-term peace more valuable than its harmful long-term consequences.
        What if I want to remove a minority group from my country?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >What if I want to remove a minority group from my country
          Since every man has unalienable rights, according to Enlightenment thinkers, you can't or shouldn't try it.
          Of course, the most enlightened countries also practiced colonialism, so division of people as civilised and uncivilised, with varying set of rights and responsibilities is also natural for them.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you'd kill everyone in the world just so you could have the planet all to yourself if you could wouldn't you anon

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, tired of being told that violence is bad. Tired of being told that racism or bigotry or hatred for people outside my "tribe" as a bad thing. Why are these things bad? Why can't we live separate and fight for what's ours? How many of you have ancestors that you can train through wars. Think about all the war in your blood. It's like your body genetically remembers and craves it. This is what the israelite wants you to forget. Who you are and what you are capable of. Maybe all these liberal whites just don't have the blood in them.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >leave things immeasurably better for the people that survive the aftermath
    A bold claim, so I'm sure you're ready to back it up with a few statements about:
    >Thirty Years War
    >Seven Years War
    >Congo Civil War(s)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Years War
      Brought us Westphalian sovereignty system, mass conscriptions in national armies, improvements in the military tactics, and, of course, "Mother Courage".
      >Seven years war
      Beginning of german reunification, exploitation of American colonies leading to US independence and foundation of republic built upon enlightenment ideals.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ahimsa is a natural quality.

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