why is murder wrong? no religious bs answers


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why is murder wrong? no religious bs answers

  1. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    fuck god fuck angels

    praise muhammed

  2. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    >I need religion to refrain from crime
    says more about you tbh

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      That isn't an argument. He's asking you morally, why in a world with no objective morality is murder wrong? Explain to me theoretically why murdering someone for any amount of monetary gain is a negative thing ( assuming 100% no chance of being caught )?

  3. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Somepeople never outgrow their teenage atheist phase.
    Not saying atheism is merely a teenage phase, but this specific form of Ricky Gervais I don't believe in God and I can't shut the fuck up about it is.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      Gervais is generally based. I've seen like one corny image from him (the shirtless bloody one).

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      Atheism isn't a phase, it's default, if you grew up having never read the bible, never having any religious exposure, you wouldn't believe.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        >every single society in earths history has religion and mythology in it

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          Today we call it making shit up, historical fiction, superstition. The only thing you can be sure exists is either inside everyone or one at a time, call it god if you want, in my opinion, prayer can't impede the flight of a bullet to the skull.

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            Upvoted
            >"call it god if you want, in my opinion, prayer can't impede the flight of a bullet to the skull."
            >*gun jams
            >"T-this is merely a technical shortcoming I assure you!"

            • 2 days ago
              Anonymous

              You use plebbit as an insult, this is how I know you're underage

              Also

              Stop using this ">" while posting wojak memes

              >inb4 plebbit spacing

              I could argue god exists because of subjective beauty in numbers like the golden ratio, astral projection and psychedelic breakthroughs, the fact ancient sites form a perfect ring around the equator, universal repeating patterns, 3s 6s 9s, all kinds of schizoid shit from observing the world, I'm not opposed to god's existence, I'm opposed to the bible's depiction, which seems more like man projecting his will as coming from the divine instead of his own interests, mainly raping and waring despite writing all these holy books of virtue and grace during all of it, the bible itself is a collection of books with authors who would greatly disagree with the new testament authors, it's not the handiwork of god but Jesus is certainly a figure whose morals we should follow. I would argue god is metaphysical given the uniformity of the universe and how recently we discovered neurons map the world in a torus shape, it points to the fact that models of reality despite being the result of natural laws are too perfect to have this much cogency given what we know about entropic systems, this leads to boltzmann brain thought experiments and other angelic schizo shit, there is plenty of evidence outside scripture

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine a priest stabbing a Canaanite to death, all bloodied up, then he goes back to reading the Torah to his little ones, all those authors were hypocrites, wishing they were better men, Jeremiah is the perfect example of this.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                Im religious, not catholic, and I had a dream where I stabbed a catholic pope in his sleep because he ordered the killing of my pregnant cousins unborn child. What did my bwain mean by this?

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Requires worship despite being all powerful
                >Commits great acts of terror upon his children when they act satanic
                >Will keep you forever in his kingly presence if you sacrifice animals or his own son

                Lovecraft couldn't write a cosmic horror on the same level as Yahweh

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        no, there’s difference between not believing and not knowing

  4. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Do you think you should be murdered by another?
    Do you think you should suffer?
    Do you think others should suffer?

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      would you be okay with being murdered? no? bet others think the same.

      You don't want to be murdered (presumably). If murder is normal and accepted, you're more likely to be murdered. Therefore, you agree that murder should be discouraged and treated as wrong.

      Most people see it the same way, thankfully. So collectively we generally agree that murder is wrong.

      life is a fight for resources. another life is taking resources that you need.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        Sure. But that fight is easier if I don't need to worry as much about getting murdered.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        You gain more resources through cooperation than through competition.

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          murder eliminates all competition

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            And also all cooperation

            • 2 days ago
              Anonymous

              Who is richer, the man that murdered everyone and now has to do everything himself or the man who lives in a community and cooperates with everyone, sharing his wealth with everyone, sure, but in turn also enjoying the fruits of their labor?

              the threat of murder ensures compliance, which is superior to cooperation

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                You're assuming you're the best murderer. The people who cooperate to form a big gang will be better at murdering than you.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                then their murder of me has eliminated competition and they benefit from that

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                They would benefit more from your cooperation, because you gain more resources from cooperation than from murder.

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            Who is richer, the man that murdered everyone and now has to do everything himself or the man who lives in a community and cooperates with everyone, sharing his wealth with everyone, sure, but in turn also enjoying the fruits of their labor?

            • 2 days ago
              Anonymous

              > the man that murdered everyone
              This. His children will inherit everything. With the second option his descendants may get outcompeted in the future.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                His children would inherit more if their dad cooperated with others.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                Or they eventually they may get outcompeted in the future.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                Certainties are better than probabilities. The benefit of definitely inheriting more from a cooperative dad is better than the risk of being "outcompeted".

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                How is that cooperation brings certain benefit? It doesn't. You may not receive benefit at all or receive disproportional corresponding to your efforts. You say it like cooperation always yields some decent benefit to a particulant, but it's simply not true. But even if we pretend it's true, it doesn't imply that your descendants also will be so successful as you.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                No they wouldn't because they would have to share their would be inheritance with others.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        no wonder you think murder is okay with that mindset.

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think murder is okay, but it is true. Murdering people to take their resources does benefit you.

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            That's if you're a good farmer and hunter combo, otherwise you're just a pagan viking

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        So lets kill you and end this debate where everyone else can cooperate nicely.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        Remember, its not only you that has the power to kill, but everyone has that capacity. Everyone else just chooses to cooperate and work together so that everyone can survive together. If the need comes where an outsider like you threatens that peace, you will be put to death to protect the peace. As this is how our current system works.

        What can you do in this situation? Either cooperate or die. The only loser is you.

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          An outsider can come in and convince everyone else of another definition for peace and kill you or anyone else. This has been happening all throughout history.

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            Game Theory, allows for this, yes. But soon as you get found you, you're put to death. Thats your problem. You can have the thrill of killing others and being put to death yourself.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      Yes
      Yes
      Yes

  5. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    would you be okay with being murdered? no? bet others think the same.

  6. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    >no religious bs answers
    Morality is a superstition even if it is not part of any specific religion. Morality is ultimately an irrational sacrifice. You are behaving irrationally against your own self-interest.

    You are not an angel. Have you never been tempted to steal knowing there are no consequences to your actions? Have you never been tempted to hit someone? You are human, you have been. If you had a fucked up upbringing, murder might also be on the cards. If murder benefits you in some way, emotionally, financially or otherwise, and there are no consequences to your actions, then the only thing left is a superstitious belief in morality.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      Idk about morality in itself but not acting upon your first instincts and having empathy has been empirically proven to be beneficial for the group and by extension to each individual, which is why social animals exhibit empathy and help weak members of their groups

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        >acting upon your first instincts and having empathy
        This was already addressed in my post. Maybe I should have made it clearer.

        >If murder benefits you in some way, emotionally, financially or otherwise

        By "no consequences" I mean none whatsoever, none materially but also none related to emotions, instincts or any emotions coaxing you into having empathy (or more accurately sympathy).

        >empathy benefits groups
        We are not in our natural habitat, any benefit of these emotions we evolved as small family groups of hunter gatherers do not apply to complete strangers in the big wide world, there are many situations where overriding empathy or otherwise is to your advantage and often people lack empathy to begin with due to a fucked up upbringing or deliberate coping mechanisms.

        >empathy isn't emotional
        Then there must be an objective reason for it, besides trusting "gut instinct" because it is how you evolved, as explained in the last paragraph. If so, then you have found the holy grail of "objectivity morality".

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      >You are behaving irrationally against your own self-interest.
      Most people are "moral" because they fear retaliation. In that way, morality is completely rational. If you think everyone is on your side, then you will be much more inclined to murder or steal.

  7. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    You don't want to be murdered (presumably). If murder is normal and accepted, you're more likely to be murdered. Therefore, you agree that murder should be discouraged and treated as wrong.

    Most people see it the same way, thankfully. So collectively we generally agree that murder is wrong.

  8. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    see you in jail

  9. 2 days ago
    Anonymous
  10. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Social contract

  11. 2 days ago
    Anonymous
  12. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    ..

  13. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    By killing Someone your ending everything the were, are, or could have been, all their hopes, dreams, fears, regrets, gone like a candle in the wind

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      And so what? If we live in an infinite universe, then there is a planet like Earth where everything is the same and that person lives his life as if nothing happened or even better. So why should I bother?

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      Actually their energy potential transfers to another

  14. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    We evolved an emotional response to it in order to increase inclusive fitness. It's not objectively wrong but we should act as though it is. Invoking a magic space wizard doesn't make morality objective because you have to say where the magic space wizard gets his morality from. If it's just a fiat then it's not wrong, just an arbitrary rule. If the magic space wizard condemned it because it's morally wrong then moral standards are independent of the space wizard which undermines the claim that morality can only be objective if there's a magic space wizard.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Evolved emotional response
      This response can be limited in children who grew up killing animals

  15. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Not an answer, just a clue. Have you already have a dream with an unbearable guilt because you killed someone in it? I was so relieved when I woke up. I think there is something deep in us against murder. It's not just cultural, and it's not just the fear of being murdered. It's that unconsciously we value the human life way more than we believe.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      You only felt that because the modern world has conditioned you to fear going to jail. If you lived in the middle ages in a lawless country, you could justify murder pretty easily that's if you didn't follow christcucks.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        Christianity keeps people from murdering each other, based

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          Christianity cucks and pacifies cultures. So yes.

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            You're a fat retard.
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Ayyadieh

            • 2 days ago
              Anonymous

              This doesn't prove anything. Compared to other world religions with more loose morality, Christianity is the least warlike.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                Christians are the best killers

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not talking about Americans or Europeans who separated state from religion. I'm talking about conversions. Vikings were pacified with Christianity, so were the native Americans, papuans, Africans, etc. Europeans and Americans are violent because they separated church from state and can therefore justify being violent. The Crusades were a reaction to losing territory. Other religions like Islam actively wage war to convert others. Hindus kill Muslims and destroy budhhist statues. Buddhism in Japan doesn't discourage a Daimyo from invading a neighboring province for wealth, etc.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                Have you considered humble Charlemage?

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yes he was a recent christian, first failures of syncretism.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                What exactly do you mean by recent? The man was born into Christianity

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                Syncretism anon. The German barbarism had not died out yet.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                Sure it did, it was replaced with Christian fanaticism, barbarians don't build worthwhile civilizations and they don't protect their religious partners

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                That's what I thought

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Pacified
                And how could that happen if Paganism was superior? It's almost like making yourself a human kamikaze and going berserk for Valhalla only shortens the tribes dominant gene pool

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                Paganism still exists in successful countries like Japan anon. It's even more peculiar when their seppuku culture that forced suicide on productive members of society is still encouraged. Which brings to doubt the roles that religions have over culture.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        No man, it's not cultural. The first dream like that I was 5, it's like hurting myselft beyond repair. Most people have unbearable guilt after killing someone. Horror is not cultural.

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          Pretty sure your parents had already instilled in you a fear of violence. If you had grown up around Vikings, they would have encouraged violence and even told you stories about violent Gods doing violent things, etc. You may feel horror, but it can redirected to something else. For instance, feeling horror that your failure to kill led to the destruction of your tribe or family. You can be made to feel guilty for almost anything when you are that young.

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            The conditioning to create a remorseless killer is way more unnatural than following the normal course of nature of fleeing death and pain.

            • 2 days ago
              Anonymous

              It's not remorseless, Just justifiable. If you feel something is justified you are less likely to feel guilty. Vikings invaded all over Europe because they could justify it. They didn't think about property laws or going to hell or any modern excuse that Christianity or democracy has bounded us in so that cities and nations can outcompete each other in the journey to mass consumerism.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                You confond war and murder, which it is, but disguised and, like you say, justified , vikings had no right to murder another citizen.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                And who has a right to do anything anon. Your democracy is showing again! Islamism spread because they believed everyone was an infidel. Convert or die. Strong vs weak. There are no rights in the world. America can invade Afghanistan and Russia can bomb the hell out of Ukraine because they are strong not because there are rights that exist in some platonic dimension.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                There's really no distinction because wars are the most extreme and recorded forms of murder. Samurai murdered each other on the streets because their swords accidentally touched. Knights did it too.

  16. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    it's not wrong when it's bad "people". if you want to live in a society free from monsters, then don't keep them around.

  17. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Teacher said so, and I’m a little worm that believes whatever teacher says

  18. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    >why is murder wrong? No religious bs answers.

    Congrats! You now think like Hitler, Stalin, Misc Pot, Mao, and every Leftist dirtball who wants to enslave the world under communism.

    Any means justified. You’re just like them. There is no peace without morality. And Atheism has none. Hell, even OP even grapples with, “why shouldn’t we murder to get our way?”

    Lol! I am laughing at the atheists who can even grasp a simple concept like the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Implying atheists cannot become stoics of great moral hygiene
      Back to Sunday school kid.

  19. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    What is a "wrong," in law? What is "law?" What is IS?

  20. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    It's funny because you can't, and given the biblical narrative, it was the israeli/Roman murder of Christ that granted us God's forgiveness, ironic

  21. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Wrong? In an athiestic framework? A framework in which right and wrong can necessarily only be subjective preference?
    The consequentialist argument for determining morality cannot work, life is to complex to know if your action will actually lead to a positive or negative outcome.
    Even if you could know the outcome of an action, there's still no justification to take the positive outcome over the negative besides personal preference. If you're just in the mood for destruction, that's just as valid as wanting prosperity.
    The only logically sound argument for morality requires something that can determine what good and bad are, free of our limitations. So, with your stipulation of no religious bs answers, there's no reason outside of personal preference to think that killing is necessarily wrong.

  22. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Can't he just stop talking about his dislike for skiing if he doesn't want to be called an anti skier? Fuck what a tool

  23. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Gervais has no kids and generally failed at everything he wanted to do in life until he was 40. He's a funny guy and a good comedian, but he obviously still resents the fact he wasted the majority of his life and only got fame and fortune when it was too late

  24. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The word barbarism doesn't mean anything? Why did you bring it into the conversation then?

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      Implying that they built anything instead of inheriting from what the Romans built. Romans were also pagans once.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        What is Aachen. Of course Christians living in a post Rome inherited Roman architecture, it wouldn't make sense to demolish everything and start over. Christians built cities just like the romans

  25. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Let the weapon be turned against you or anyone you adorn. Then ask this same question.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      >anyone you adorn
      stop trying to sound smart, it makes you sound retarded

  26. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Atheists are amoral, if they a law abiding it is only out of fear of repercussions and the police. While theists can delude themselves and act immorally, but with the atheist there is nothing holding them back, it is why the massacres by modern atheist and atheistic ideologies were so vicious.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      As opposed to fear of hell? There is literally no difference and no basis to Christian mortality beyond fear of consequence.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        There are other religions and other reasons besides hell within Christianity, like understanding God or achieving enlightenment.

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          nagger, stop. The average Christian isn't a LARPer reactionary incel circle jerking over obscure desert monks to achieve gnosis. It's literally just "AH LUV JEBUS OR BURN WHEN DIE"

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          >understanding God or achieving enlightenmen
          whats moral about those?

  27. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Murder is immoral because you are granted rights from the state. Yoir right to life is granted by the state.
    If someone murders you, you are taking away someones right to life without their consent.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      What's immoral about violating someones so called right to life? Where does the state get the authority to grant rights?

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        >where does the authority come from
        Social contract, when you decided to be governed by a government

        >immoral about violating someones right to life
        Misrepresentation of the claim. What is immoral is that a murderer is taking away my right that was granted by the state. The real wrongdoing is that I as the individual recognized under the state did not consent to this taking away of right to life. In other words
        >who are you to decide if I live or die?

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          Social contract isn't real.
          The state has no right to grant you rights.
          All the state has is force to punish you for breaking its laws. You can say it is illegal to murder based on the state, not that it is wrong. I am another competing state that does not recognize the authority of your state, that's what I am to decide if you live or die.

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          This also means there is nothing wrong about killing someone in the absence of a state

  28. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Because if it weren't there would be no moral law that would protect you from others trying to kill you.
    Idiot.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      So?

  29. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Ask yourself: what provokes murder?

  30. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, atheism is a belief system. Atheism isn't the lack of religious conviction, that's agnosticism. Agnostics acknowledge that religious beliefs may or may not be true but don't make assumptions either way. Atheists actively believe and assert that no religions are are true. If all you do in your spare time is willfully, actively avoid all hobbies, you may not like it being called a hobby but it's not inaccurate.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's a belief, yes, but the problem is specifically "belief system" as that implies a kind of formulaic method of living. There isn't one. If you don't believe in God, it effects nothing at all in the scheme of your life.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        >the problem is specifically "belief system" as that implies a kind of formulaic method of living
        Which it is. Atheism isn't just not believing in God, it's actively choosing not to believe in God. A person who has never considered the concept of God is an agnostic, not an atheist.

        >Yes, atheism is a belief system
        please direct me to where i can see their list of beliefs

        I'll write one for you, hopefully you can find a smart person to read it to you:
        >All religions are wrong
        >There is no such thing as God or any such metaphysical being
        >Any apparent metaphysical phenomena relating to religion, such as miracles or answered prayers, are coincidental, trickery or otherwise illusory
        >All people who claim to have met God or had a near death experience and gone to heaven are mistaken or lying
        etc.

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Atheism isn't just not believing in God
          Yes it is. That's the definition of the word.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Yes, atheism is a belief system
      please direct me to where i can see their list of beliefs

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        Belief 1: There is no such thing as a god
        Belief 2: people worshiping gods are worshiping nothing
        Belief 3: morality does not come from a god
        Belief 4: the weather is not controlled by a god

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          >the problem is specifically "belief system" as that implies a kind of formulaic method of living
          Which it is. Atheism isn't just not believing in God, it's actively choosing not to believe in God. A person who has never considered the concept of God is an agnostic, not an atheist.

          [...]
          I'll write one for you, hopefully you can find a smart person to read it to you:
          >All religions are wrong
          >There is no such thing as God or any such metaphysical being
          >Any apparent metaphysical phenomena relating to religion, such as miracles or answered prayers, are coincidental, trickery or otherwise illusory
          >All people who claim to have met God or had a near death experience and gone to heaven are mistaken or lying
          etc.

          those are just opinions that atheists could/could not hold. stop trying to build up this strawman like there's some organized atheist congregation like the catholic church. i know you really want to because you don't do anything else with your free time other than seethe over things you hate.

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            >stop trying to build up this strawman like there's some organized atheist congregation like the catholic church
            Lol, wasn't what I was trying to get at but now that you've said that I've got to post this:
            https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/atheists-conduct-de-baptisms/story?id=11109379

            • 2 days ago
              Anonymous

              cool, but don't care what they are doing. they don't speak for me.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                That may be but they seem to agree with you. Why can't you just admit you're on the same team?

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Why can't you just admit you're on the same team?
                ok, fine. then you shouldn't have a problem with agreeing to the following either
                >all catholics are implicit in covering up pederasty
                >all prots are mentally ill thinking that God is speaking directly to them and only them

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                The first one yes but second no, that's not a defining belief of protestantism.

                Because i don't have autism and life isn't a team sport.

                Then I hope you won't be too offended if I call you an agnostic rather than an atheist.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                Because i don't have autism and life isn't a team sport.

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            >strawman every religious person and argument

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            These are beliefs that athiests necessarily have, not some may some may not. Saying we can't know if there is a god or not makes them agnostic, the athiest states there is no god or they are not an athiest.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Anonymous 01/23/23(Mon)11:11:29 No.1451
      Agnosticism is a form of atheism. Atheism is a big tent for all non-believers.

      Belief 1: There is no such thing as a god
      Belief 2: people worshiping gods are worshiping nothing
      Belief 3: morality does not come from a god
      Belief 4: the weather is not controlled by a god

      It is not required to believe there is no god to be an atheist. You simply have to not believe there is one.
      >the weather is not controlled by a god
      You believe it is? What a moron.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Atheism is a big tent for all non-believers.
        Pray tell, all non-believers of what?

        >Atheism isn't just not believing in God
        Yes it is. That's the definition of the word.

        Try reading the rest of the post. Maybe this anon can help you out

        no, there’s difference between not believing and not knowing

  31. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    >no religious bs ans-ACK

  32. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    In certain contexts, murder is not wrong such as self defense.
    However, you're obviously referring to murder with, more or less, little to no purpose. Its wrong because murder is generally not a beneficial behavior, the other anon made a good argument about cooperation.
    You argued about 'muh resources', not everyone has resources worth taking, do you really expect much useful from a homeless man? A rich person has more resources than you, which probably also means they have more power than you. 'Muh resources' is such a pathetic attempt to excuse barbarism because you do so with no strategy or thought into it taking what you can get even if it may not be useful to you.

    If you attempt to murder others, you also make our society slightly less safe when you could've participated and gotten more resources that way.

    >Tldr it's not practical and you're harming others for a very weak reason that you can achieve better in other ways

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      >wrong because murder is generally not a beneficial behavior
      Define beneficial? A samurai's honor was beneficial to him and his lord and he killed others to protect it. You can create almost any justification for murder if you are afraid of something.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        >generally not a beneficial behavior
        >generally
        What part of generally don't you understand? I already stated that there are instances in which it can be useful. The cultural values of Japan would be different than others, so they may have different standards as to when its not acceptable.
        But let's be real, you weren't talking about defending any honor. Your argument was about murder for the sake of murder, and murder for the sake of murder will usually hurt you more than help you
        >you can create almost any justification for murder if you are afraid of something
        No, you can't. The public will judge that. Not you. You can and will be punished accordingly for it. Generally 'self defense' when there was no real threat is frowned upon, but the debate of what counts as self defense is a whole other can of worms.
        >Beneficial: Something done for ones own benefit, wants, or needs.
        Most 'beneficial' things you could do with murder can be accomplished without murder, which generally carries a lot of negative weight to it.

  33. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    It's counter-productive

  34. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Because humans don’t naturally like murder and it is detrimental to the cooperatory and social compassionate empathetic nature we evolved

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      > detrimental to the cooperatory and social compassionate empathetic nature we evolved
      Do you have an actual argument? Why should an individual care about social anything if they have something to gain for committing the action, once again assuming no risk of being caught. There isn't one.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        Your father and mother should have killed you when they had the chance.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        > Why should an individual care about social anything
        Because it’s in their nature as a human to care retard. Humans get the most joy from benefitting others and having good relationships. That means having a good society too. Murder is illegal because all humans agreed to make it illegal, that alone is proof that people care no matter what bullshit you make up about how it’s actually best to be selfish.

  35. 2 days ago
    Anonymous
  36. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    can we get a definition of murder
    seems like people in this thread are all talking about something different they imagined in their head

  37. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Might makes right. YOU aren't allowed to, and its because someone mightier than you will stop you.
    Right or wrong the very same are why someone mightier than you does not do as THEY please.
    "Right" is about consequences and optics, like how you don't have the perspective to see your place in the pecking order. When you can enforce it but don't even have to because no-one will question your authority beyond a 'debate'... Then you can decide what is "wrong", until then its simply because your betters told you so.

    First time in LULZ and was not expecting philosophy at the cost of anthropology...

  38. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    no wonder this website produces so many mass shooters

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