are you onIQfy all day every day?
obviously not; you haven't seen the sheer number and nature of posts freedesktop shills make on a daily basis for months or years now
Linus uses it again. It works between version upgrades making in rolling in a way. Software is rapidly updated unlike Ubuntu/Debian. And the district is stable as shit and NEVER CRASHES EVER.
After using Manjaro then Arch and getting sick of shit breaking I made the switch and never looked back. I run the KDE spin of Fedora Linux. Makes sure to add the rpmfusion repo.
Kek, why would you do paid advertising for something completely free and without any way to monetize it?
https://i.imgur.com/4QFhuvC.jpg
Why is it so popular nowadays?
Fedora always has been the most popular community based distro and Ubuntu the most popular (commercial) distro. They're the two most advanced and most stable distros out there, now do you want to use a commercial distro with sponsoring, ads etc. or do you want to use Fedora?
Fedora and OpenSUSE as a community distros are a bit iffy when the boards are stacked with the commercial downstream devs. I do believe that they have a larger autonomy than is sometimes assumed though.
I forgot OpenSUSE, I heard Tumbleweed is really good but I never tried it. Maybe you need the commercial downstream devs to make a good stable distro? I don't mind as long as the direction of the distro is not controlled by a company.
Fedora actually have decent amount of non rh people working on it. OpenSUSE is primarily just suse, they decided to kill leap and nobody can even object to that because literally nobody but suse devs worked on leap.
I feel like the shilling is done by an unrelated 3rd party shill company to prove the results of their shill effectiveness. Fedora is a great project that I've used for years but there's nothing particularly unique going on with it right now to justify it being talked about specifically so it makes a good metric to test against
Well I was thinking more like the youtuber popularity. It seems like they shill it mercilessly
Here on IQfy they do shill it relentlessly, along with the rest of the backdooerterringware suite
I feel like the shilling is done by an unrelated 3rd party shill company to prove the results of their shill effectiveness. Fedora is a great project that I've used for years but there's nothing particularly unique going on with it right now to justify it being talked about specifically so it makes a good metric to test against
oh shit disregard what I said maybe it is actually a popular topic right now. Imo the only real difference between distributions is the package manager so asking 'which distro' is a question people who are just getting into linux ask all the time, and we have these tech youtubers here ready to capitalize on answering that question in an easily digestible format. They're like 'smart people' content for college freshman. Tech youtubers are probably even more cringe than key jingler youtubers.
"The difference between distros is just the package manager" is probably 99% right, but distro maintainers believe that it's not:
https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2020/05/07/gnome-is-not-the-default-for-fedora-workstation/
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People who make that moronic statement implicitly believe that defaults don't apply to them.
2 years ago
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jesus christ the fricking ego of this logo pusher is the reason the rest of the academic world looks at cs as an autist containment zone
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>Why is it so popular
it works
>is probably 99% right
it's only a small part, otherwise Ubuntu and Debian are just the same thing. if you're a tinkertroony then yeah, the only difference you'll ever see is the package manager since you consistently turn everything else into a clusterfrick, but even then there are the extreme tinkertrannies running multiple package managers on one system who would probably argue distros have no differences.
>It's what people want from ubuntu
I want microphone working on my Creative PCI sound card, SELinux off by default and "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg" not breaking grub and Ubuntu can do that, unlike Fedora
I assume Ubuntu's hard snap push with Firefox being a snap in the latest LTS has something to do with it. Either way, not complaining about more attention for my prefered distro.
I recommend it because I don’t like snaps or the perma-dock that’s default on Ubuntu. I use Ubuntu personally and disable said features. I think fedora has more up to date drivers by default, which is part of my reasoning.
It's basically freedesktop upstream. And has been for a very long time. The people who pick the direction for the linux desktop do it on this system.
It's simply taken the linux community a couple years after Ubuntu started going down the shitter to realize where the sausage is made.
So would you say that it's actually true that Fedora is the default linux desktop? I keep hearing this.
I guess it makes sense that Ubuntu's fall would result in Fedora's rise, but it's funny that Fedora didn't garner the attention that it has been getting recently before that.
I even see plenty of e-celebs that were shilling Arch a few months ago shill Fedora today.
Nah, there's no default. Neither a best distro.
But the recent(-ish) developments in the linux desktop kinda follow from a recognition that that's kind of a problem. Some disagree, but that's become a common idea now. To make the system more homogeneous and an easier target to develop for, and if not the whole linux ecosystem then at least your special corner of it, such is the direction of the free desktop today.
Actually, I rather think it's a shame that KDE isn't as attached to SUSE as GNOME is to RHEL/Fedora. Without the political capital of an established and commercial system, KDE has no effective vote over the direction the linux desktop is being pulled into. If users and developers don't consider OpenSUSE the reference KDE system and a worthy alternative to Fedora, then the other camp gets to set the tune on everything.
Regardless, the rest of the linux desktop will be left in the dust by the ongoing transformations.
this is the only accurate and worthwhile post in this thread
Linux is dead outside of freedesktop; corporate won; """community""" lost
>Linux is dead outside of freedesktop; corporate won; """community""" lost
Pretty much. The fun times are about to wrap up.
But truthfully, that community was always a kind of illusion, it could've never materialized in any other way. The GNU system can be fully realized and some megacorporations are ideologically captured to write free software; Computing is almost saved. It's just going to be boring when it becomes useful.
GNU foundation never had quality control, they were just glad to have shit to slap the trademark on.
Look at the approved Linux distro list historically, a bunch of abandoned dysfunctional garbage endorsed just because it can run and doesn't have proprietary blobs.
And Stallman "leading" from above the crowd instead of afront it, sitting on his fatass and larping as a wizard while doing jackshit for practical freesoftware after the 80s.
>Actually, I rather think it's a shame that KDE isn't as attached to SUSE
It's because it's buggy shit unsuited for professional usage
the fact that the only major distro for the operating system that defaults to it completely refuses to include it in their paid product tells you everything you need to know about its quality
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I thought they actually default to GNOME on SLES? I believe KDE just had a good implementation on the community Tumbleweed so people LARP like it's official. They do sponsor KDE, but GNOME is the official desktop of SUSE
2 years ago
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Yeah. SUSE should slap some sense into KDE.
It's their second ticket to differentiation and it would make the linux desktop a lot healthier.
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What about KDE is buggy? Is there something you can do which easily breaks it? I've been using KDE neon for a few months now and it has been flawless.
2 years ago
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you are probably a normie who is using the default settings. Try tweaking it a bit and see how it acts.
Or perhaps you are a kde developer.
2 years ago
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They really should just remove the ability to change things like gnome does on plasma.
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for the the most triggering thing is their implementation of "hot corner"
It is a subpar function. I just tried it now after 6 months and it still sucks ass!
2 years ago
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Turn it off then
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That's the thing about Linux desktop. Everything is just shitty. There's not a single good wm or desktop environment out there that's both stable and useful. You'd think that with all the b***hing people do about windows ui being bad, they'd have a useful desktop environment by now. One that doesn't crash. Gnome, xfce, kde plasma, awesome, deepin, budgie, enlightenment, etc you name it, I've at least tried it inside a vm. Every last one just sucks ass. It's like it's done on fricking purpose.
2 years ago
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What is your take on LXQt then.
2 years ago
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Qt version of XFCE aka shitty. LXDE was actually good but it wasn't usable for normal people; you had to do a lot of configuration through text files
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Opinion discarded
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What about KDE is buggy? Is there something you can do which easily breaks it? I've been using KDE neon for a few months now and it has been flawless.
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>Using themes
Your fault.
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sddm is not plasma.
And yes that is the worst part of it.
Shit just black screens after logging out.
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Everything. Kde needs to stop adding random half-assed semi-broken "features" to please the complaining redditors and put more focus on fixing and removing pointless shit literally for a few years straight and then focus on adding "features" only if they're not buggy, future proof and have a maintainer who's going to work at them.
Right now they're doing this marketing campaign with their weekly blog where they go like "look we fixed a few strings, and changed some padding here, and one micro bug there, a lot of stuff is being fixed!" while the actual serious bugs are left untouched. And they fooled themselves that's actually what people were asking of them, so what I said before won't happen any time soon.
I never said they were competent
Google is still winning the search war and has utterly won the browser war, to the point where it funds its own controlled opposition
What is the competing vision for the future of the Linux desktop to FedHat's? Catastrophical, Krash DE, list stops.
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There is no single future for Linux desktop, Linux is fragmented, but for now KDE is leading
So would you say that it's actually true that Fedora is the default linux desktop? I keep hearing this.
I guess it makes sense that Ubuntu's fall would result in Fedora's rise, but it's funny that Fedora didn't garner the attention that it has been getting recently before that.
I even see plenty of e-celebs that were shilling Arch a few months ago shill Fedora today.
Who says Ubuntu is falling? It's still the default distro for many newcomers. And Ubuntu server is often used too.
Go down the list of popular distros: >Ubuntu: everyone hates snaps >Debian: ancient packages >Yet another ubuntu spin pushing a BING BING WAHOO desktop environment
Fedora is the first one that works out of the box an isn't pushing junk or trying to make things harder for you.
I dont know, but, It feels good to know that all the normie tech-jewtubers have stopped forcing UbunSHITu and its derivatives smell of pig shit and the jerks who copy Luke Smith/Mental Outlaw who force their shitty esoteric distros that have only made linux look like a meme and its users like simple lolcows.
I hope they rediscover OpenSUSE so that we go back to the good old days of Debian, Fedora and OpenSUSE.
>Ask yourself what software they've developed aside from YaST >Even Canonical is more proactive
Yeah, Like Ubuntu phone, Ubuntu Edge, Unity, soon snapd and more and more failed projects of canonical?
YaST2 is literraly the best tool made for linux and without RedHat linux would have died in the 2000s.
What a joke, Ubuntu is shit and Debian is better for desktop use that ubuntu.
I'm sure you know the difference between surviving and thriving
2 years ago
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I know the difference, and no, SUSE is not "surviving", they thriving for the Servers and super computers, but not for the desktop, Contrary to canonical that depend on Ubuntu more than their servers, and there are more and more people using pop!_os, zorin and mint than ubuntu, it is even proposed to base those distros 100% on debian than on ubuntu.
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yes Linux is "progressing" in the server space but all it has amounted to at all in the past few years is more and more containerization, nothing else
>SUSE does nothing of note >They just copy whatever RedHat has done / is doing
Yes and no tbh, while it's true they tend to go along with what Red Hat does, the Red Hat world also takes from SUSE, for example dnf uses the very good dependency solver developed by SUSE. Red Hat is a much bigger company than SUSE though, so it's not surprising that there's more RH -> SUSE movement than the other way around. Both companies have similar visions though, you can see this so obviously when it comes to things like pushing containerisation and immutable systems as the future.
For the community desktop distros, OpenSUSE TW also shows a fantastic automatic quality assurance.
It's not. Red Hat pajeets shill it everywhere. It's even more bloated than Ubuntu, has atrocious font rendering out of the box and vanilla GNOME is unusable
Literally anything is better and more polished than Fedora
even the stupidest autistic mother fricker i have known were able to easily install, with some guidance, fedora and daily drive it at ease. shit just works.
Enthusiasts like it because It's almost bleeding-edge, so they get a bunch of new broken features in their favorite DE.
Also, it's not a rolling release distro, so they can look forward to a new release, like when they got Christmas gifts as kids.
Normal users just either use Mint, Ubuntu or Windows.
It's slow, buggy and poorly made. Why do you think no one uses Fedora as a base for almost any distro? It's only shilled on here because it's cheaper for redhat to pay a couple of jeets to shit up this board and get people to use it than to pay people to beta test their software.
>Why do you think no one uses Fedora as a base for almost any distro?
That would be very damning, until you remember the only people forking established distros are pretentious neets---which is why Arch has a handful of live ones and Fedora's few are all dead.
>Why do you think no one uses Fedora as a base for almost any distro
because the base already works and provides the alternatives that most other distro's have as forks? Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Mint, etc. all sprang out of a desire to provide Ubuntu with a different DE, meanwhile those "forks" are prevented with Fedora since they're kind of a part of the distro under the Spin umbrella.
Ubuntu forked from Debian because they felt Debian was too slow to update and wanted easier proprietary integration, Arch forks basically always exist as "Arch but with an installer," etc. Fedora doesn't need any of that, and instead the forks exist for RHEL due to licensing and costs.
Or, in summary, forks represent a fundamental deficiency in the base distro that people are trying to resolve by forking; it's not a good sign if you spawn 5 million clones trying to fix you.
It's really not. Have you actually ever tried using it? It's completely garbage. Selinux is a cia backdoor so it's them trying to spy on Linux users. They advertise it here and other places they think Linux users exist thinking that people are stupid enough to fall for the bait, install it, and actually keep it on their computers long enough for them to gain information on their targets. You'd think with the backing of the cia they'd make gnome better and installing applications a feasible endeavor. After you realize that some 80% of stuff is missing from the repos, you wipe it and install whatever distro you were using before. It's pretty funny actually. It's like watching dumb and dumber trying to figure out whose more moronic, the pedophiles or the people tasked with trying to catch them. I use Windows 11 by the way while typing this on a stock Samsung phone. If the cia had any sense at all, they'd pay to make kde plasma the default desktop, and having tons of applications this way the bait is actually palatable. Just my 2 cents. I've tried several distros, and while Linux is complete and utter shit, fedora takes the cake and puts nuts and sprinkles on top.
>up-to-date >cutting edge >stable
also; fedora has a built-in mongoloid repellent. in order to enjoy movies/music in non-free formats, you need to properly install multimedia support., which is easily achievable for a person with a double-digit iq. morons are always btfo'd by this and ree all overt reddit
There are other distros that do all of this better though. Pick any Arch distro with a normie friendly installer on it like Endeavour. Why shill this one particular distro?
dunno, been using it for 12 years now, for me it Just Werks™
if I had to guess, then maybe it's people getting fed up with Ubuntu and looking for an alternative
More like people looking for alternatives from all the Ubuntu falldown. Seam itself moved to Arch while Ubuntu is no longer the most popular distribution among its users. As for Fedora, it has a reasonable reputation for being close to rolling release without being rolling release and its similarities to RHEL.
>Debian
Out of date packages not good unless system is mission critical. >Arch
Too many fricking updates.
And breaks. >manjaro
Just a shitty version of arch that breaks even more thanks to their shitty package manager. >Linux Mint
Based on Ubuntu using an shitty out of date fork of gnome.
Devs have to work hard to under mine all ubuntu's features. >Fedora
Comes with the most stable and up to date DE gnome.
Comes with spins and no snaps.
It just works
I was my 3rd distro, I really loved it tell I tried Arch. Now my eyes have been opened and I'm less impressed by it. But honestly it's a great distro with a few setbacks.
Fedora (7, I think) was the first distro I used and it felt so polished. For reasons that have long since been forgotten I started distro hopping and never returned to it.
It'll always have a special place in my heart and I just hope they haven't messed it up too badly.
>Packages: 916
This is after adding some stuff like wifi and sound settings which weren't included in plasma-desktop. I think I'll add some other stuff as I need them.
Thank you based anons.
Because it works fine + performs well. Had Linux Mint, Debian, on my machine, choppy and poor performing. Install Fedora GNOME, works flawlessly with no issues, quick and easy to use. Plus support from RedHat, and you get a complete product.
tldr: not gay, no homosexual tinkering
Paid marketing pajeets.
>people talk about something they like
>SHILL SHILL ITS SHILLING THEY ARE PAID
are you onIQfy all day every day?
obviously not; you haven't seen the sheer number and nature of posts freedesktop shills make on a daily basis for months or years now
Yes. Liking something doesn't mean going "USE FEDORA GUYS" every day, that is shilling.
Linus uses it again. It works between version upgrades making in rolling in a way. Software is rapidly updated unlike Ubuntu/Debian. And the district is stable as shit and NEVER CRASHES EVER.
After using Manjaro then Arch and getting sick of shit breaking I made the switch and never looked back. I run the KDE spin of Fedora Linux. Makes sure to add the rpmfusion repo.
Kek, why would you do paid advertising for something completely free and without any way to monetize it?
Fedora always has been the most popular community based distro and Ubuntu the most popular (commercial) distro. They're the two most advanced and most stable distros out there, now do you want to use a commercial distro with sponsoring, ads etc. or do you want to use Fedora?
Fedora and OpenSUSE as a community distros are a bit iffy when the boards are stacked with the commercial downstream devs. I do believe that they have a larger autonomy than is sometimes assumed though.
I forgot OpenSUSE, I heard Tumbleweed is really good but I never tried it. Maybe you need the commercial downstream devs to make a good stable distro? I don't mind as long as the direction of the distro is not controlled by a company.
Fedora actually have decent amount of non rh people working on it. OpenSUSE is primarily just suse, they decided to kill leap and nobody can even object to that because literally nobody but suse devs worked on leap.
It's just fricking amazing. I fricking love Fedora. Frick yeah.
This does not sound like an authentic response. Is there a gun to your head anon?
So much shilling for this piece of shit...
Here on IQfy they do shill it relentlessly, along with the rest of the backdooerterringware suite
I feel like the shilling is done by an unrelated 3rd party shill company to prove the results of their shill effectiveness. Fedora is a great project that I've used for years but there's nothing particularly unique going on with it right now to justify it being talked about specifically so it makes a good metric to test against
Well I was thinking more like the youtuber popularity. It seems like they shill it mercilessly
oh shit disregard what I said maybe it is actually a popular topic right now. Imo the only real difference between distributions is the package manager so asking 'which distro' is a question people who are just getting into linux ask all the time, and we have these tech youtubers here ready to capitalize on answering that question in an easily digestible format. They're like 'smart people' content for college freshman. Tech youtubers are probably even more cringe than key jingler youtubers.
"The difference between distros is just the package manager" is probably 99% right, but distro maintainers believe that it's not:
https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2020/05/07/gnome-is-not-the-default-for-fedora-workstation/
People who make that moronic statement implicitly believe that defaults don't apply to them.
jesus christ the fricking ego of this logo pusher is the reason the rest of the academic world looks at cs as an autist containment zone
>Why is it so popular
it works
>is probably 99% right
it's only a small part, otherwise Ubuntu and Debian are just the same thing. if you're a tinkertroony then yeah, the only difference you'll ever see is the package manager since you consistently turn everything else into a clusterfrick, but even then there are the extreme tinkertrannies running multiple package managers on one system who would probably argue distros have no differences.
It's what people want from ubuntu, without all the ubunt downsides.
It's nice enough.
>It's what people want from ubuntu
I want microphone working on my Creative PCI sound card, SELinux off by default and "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg" not breaking grub and Ubuntu can do that, unlike Fedora
I assume Ubuntu's hard snap push with Firefox being a snap in the latest LTS has something to do with it. Either way, not complaining about more attention for my prefered distro.
I recommend it because I don’t like snaps or the perma-dock that’s default on Ubuntu. I use Ubuntu personally and disable said features. I think fedora has more up to date drivers by default, which is part of my reasoning.
It's basically freedesktop upstream. And has been for a very long time. The people who pick the direction for the linux desktop do it on this system.
It's simply taken the linux community a couple years after Ubuntu started going down the shitter to realize where the sausage is made.
So would you say that it's actually true that Fedora is the default linux desktop? I keep hearing this.
I guess it makes sense that Ubuntu's fall would result in Fedora's rise, but it's funny that Fedora didn't garner the attention that it has been getting recently before that.
I even see plenty of e-celebs that were shilling Arch a few months ago shill Fedora today.
Nah, there's no default. Neither a best distro.
But the recent(-ish) developments in the linux desktop kinda follow from a recognition that that's kind of a problem. Some disagree, but that's become a common idea now. To make the system more homogeneous and an easier target to develop for, and if not the whole linux ecosystem then at least your special corner of it, such is the direction of the free desktop today.
Actually, I rather think it's a shame that KDE isn't as attached to SUSE as GNOME is to RHEL/Fedora. Without the political capital of an established and commercial system, KDE has no effective vote over the direction the linux desktop is being pulled into. If users and developers don't consider OpenSUSE the reference KDE system and a worthy alternative to Fedora, then the other camp gets to set the tune on everything.
Regardless, the rest of the linux desktop will be left in the dust by the ongoing transformations.
>Linux is dead outside of freedesktop; corporate won; """community""" lost
Pretty much. The fun times are about to wrap up.
But truthfully, that community was always a kind of illusion, it could've never materialized in any other way. The GNU system can be fully realized and some megacorporations are ideologically captured to write free software; Computing is almost saved. It's just going to be boring when it becomes useful.
GNU foundation never had quality control, they were just glad to have shit to slap the trademark on.
Look at the approved Linux distro list historically, a bunch of abandoned dysfunctional garbage endorsed just because it can run and doesn't have proprietary blobs.
And Stallman "leading" from above the crowd instead of afront it, sitting on his fatass and larping as a wizard while doing jackshit for practical freesoftware after the 80s.
>Actually, I rather think it's a shame that KDE isn't as attached to SUSE
It's because it's buggy shit unsuited for professional usage
the fact that the only major distro for the operating system that defaults to it completely refuses to include it in their paid product tells you everything you need to know about its quality
I thought they actually default to GNOME on SLES? I believe KDE just had a good implementation on the community Tumbleweed so people LARP like it's official. They do sponsor KDE, but GNOME is the official desktop of SUSE
Yeah. SUSE should slap some sense into KDE.
It's their second ticket to differentiation and it would make the linux desktop a lot healthier.
What about KDE is buggy? Is there something you can do which easily breaks it? I've been using KDE neon for a few months now and it has been flawless.
you are probably a normie who is using the default settings. Try tweaking it a bit and see how it acts.
Or perhaps you are a kde developer.
They really should just remove the ability to change things like gnome does on plasma.
for the the most triggering thing is their implementation of "hot corner"
It is a subpar function. I just tried it now after 6 months and it still sucks ass!
Turn it off then
That's the thing about Linux desktop. Everything is just shitty. There's not a single good wm or desktop environment out there that's both stable and useful. You'd think that with all the b***hing people do about windows ui being bad, they'd have a useful desktop environment by now. One that doesn't crash. Gnome, xfce, kde plasma, awesome, deepin, budgie, enlightenment, etc you name it, I've at least tried it inside a vm. Every last one just sucks ass. It's like it's done on fricking purpose.
What is your take on LXQt then.
Qt version of XFCE aka shitty. LXDE was actually good but it wasn't usable for normal people; you had to do a lot of configuration through text files
Opinion discarded
>Using themes
Your fault.
sddm is not plasma.
And yes that is the worst part of it.
Shit just black screens after logging out.
Everything. Kde needs to stop adding random half-assed semi-broken "features" to please the complaining redditors and put more focus on fixing and removing pointless shit literally for a few years straight and then focus on adding "features" only if they're not buggy, future proof and have a maintainer who's going to work at them.
Right now they're doing this marketing campaign with their weekly blog where they go like "look we fixed a few strings, and changed some padding here, and one micro bug there, a lot of stuff is being fixed!" while the actual serious bugs are left untouched. And they fooled themselves that's actually what people were asking of them, so what I said before won't happen any time soon.
this is the only accurate and worthwhile post in this thread
Linux is dead outside of freedesktop; corporate won; """community""" lost
10% Wayland marketshare and dwindling GNOME usage is not win
I never said they were competent
Google is still winning the search war and has utterly won the browser war, to the point where it funds its own controlled opposition
What is the competing vision for the future of the Linux desktop to FedHat's? Catastrophical, Krash DE, list stops.
There is no single future for Linux desktop, Linux is fragmented, but for now KDE is leading
Who says Ubuntu is falling? It's still the default distro for many newcomers. And Ubuntu server is often used too.
Go down the list of popular distros:
>Ubuntu: everyone hates snaps
>Debian: ancient packages
>Yet another ubuntu spin pushing a BING BING WAHOO desktop environment
Fedora is the first one that works out of the box an isn't pushing junk or trying to make things harder for you.
>BING BING WAHOO
Is that what you call a codec?
It's not, you are falling for IQfy shilling
it literally just works
I dont know, but, It feels good to know that all the normie tech-jewtubers have stopped forcing UbunSHITu and its derivatives smell of pig shit and the jerks who copy Luke Smith/Mental Outlaw who force their shitty esoteric distros that have only made linux look like a meme and its users like simple lolcows.
I hope they rediscover OpenSUSE so that we go back to the good old days of Debian, Fedora and OpenSUSE.
SUSE does nothing of note
They just copy whatever RedHat has done / is doing
Ask yourself what software they've developed aside from YaST
Even Canonical is more proactive
What a joke
>Ask yourself what software they've developed aside from YaST
>Even Canonical is more proactive
Yeah, Like Ubuntu phone, Ubuntu Edge, Unity, soon snapd and more and more failed projects of canonical?
YaST2 is literraly the best tool made for linux and without RedHat linux would have died in the 2000s.
What a joke, Ubuntu is shit and Debian is better for desktop use that ubuntu.
I'm sure you know the difference between surviving and thriving
I know the difference, and no, SUSE is not "surviving", they thriving for the Servers and super computers, but not for the desktop, Contrary to canonical that depend on Ubuntu more than their servers, and there are more and more people using pop!_os, zorin and mint than ubuntu, it is even proposed to base those distros 100% on debian than on ubuntu.
yes Linux is "progressing" in the server space but all it has amounted to at all in the past few years is more and more containerization, nothing else
>SUSE does nothing of note
>They just copy whatever RedHat has done / is doing
Yes and no tbh, while it's true they tend to go along with what Red Hat does, the Red Hat world also takes from SUSE, for example dnf uses the very good dependency solver developed by SUSE. Red Hat is a much bigger company than SUSE though, so it's not surprising that there's more RH -> SUSE movement than the other way around. Both companies have similar visions though, you can see this so obviously when it comes to things like pushing containerisation and immutable systems as the future.
For the community desktop distros, OpenSUSE TW also shows a fantastic automatic quality assurance.
>>Ask yourself what software they've developed aside from YaST
Btrfs, Snapper
Oh and also OpenQA
also the OBS
>shill openSUSE
>when they're killing off Leap
OH NONONO
They are rethinking Leap
It will cease to exist in its current form but will have a replacement, unlike CentOS for example
shilling creates that illusion
just more fedhat attempting to hostile takeover linux
it just works and has newer packages than other distros that are user friendly
It's not. Red Hat pajeets shill it everywhere. It's even more bloated than Ubuntu, has atrocious font rendering out of the box and vanilla GNOME is unusable
Literally anything is better and more polished than Fedora
even the stupidest autistic mother fricker i have known were able to easily install, with some guidance, fedora and daily drive it at ease. shit just works.
It's easy to install and it works well.
Enthusiasts like it because It's almost bleeding-edge, so they get a bunch of new broken features in their favorite DE.
Also, it's not a rolling release distro, so they can look forward to a new release, like when they got Christmas gifts as kids.
Normal users just either use Mint, Ubuntu or Windows.
only mac and windows shills are crying about people talking about fedora
Fedora is great
Because it works?
Why do you think the most popular distros are also the ones with massive corporate backing?
I don't think that's true though
Because of paid bots.
It's slow, buggy and poorly made. Why do you think no one uses Fedora as a base for almost any distro? It's only shilled on here because it's cheaper for redhat to pay a couple of jeets to shit up this board and get people to use it than to pay people to beta test their software.
>Why do you think no one uses Fedora as a base for almost any distro?
That would be very damning, until you remember the only people forking established distros are pretentious neets---which is why Arch has a handful of live ones and Fedora's few are all dead.
>Why do you think no one uses Fedora as a base for almost any distro
because the base already works and provides the alternatives that most other distro's have as forks? Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Mint, etc. all sprang out of a desire to provide Ubuntu with a different DE, meanwhile those "forks" are prevented with Fedora since they're kind of a part of the distro under the Spin umbrella.
Ubuntu forked from Debian because they felt Debian was too slow to update and wanted easier proprietary integration, Arch forks basically always exist as "Arch but with an installer," etc. Fedora doesn't need any of that, and instead the forks exist for RHEL due to licensing and costs.
Or, in summary, forks represent a fundamental deficiency in the base distro that people are trying to resolve by forking; it's not a good sign if you spawn 5 million clones trying to fix you.
As far as i am concerned, it just works.
It's really not. Have you actually ever tried using it? It's completely garbage. Selinux is a cia backdoor so it's them trying to spy on Linux users. They advertise it here and other places they think Linux users exist thinking that people are stupid enough to fall for the bait, install it, and actually keep it on their computers long enough for them to gain information on their targets. You'd think with the backing of the cia they'd make gnome better and installing applications a feasible endeavor. After you realize that some 80% of stuff is missing from the repos, you wipe it and install whatever distro you were using before. It's pretty funny actually. It's like watching dumb and dumber trying to figure out whose more moronic, the pedophiles or the people tasked with trying to catch them. I use Windows 11 by the way while typing this on a stock Samsung phone. If the cia had any sense at all, they'd pay to make kde plasma the default desktop, and having tons of applications this way the bait is actually palatable. Just my 2 cents. I've tried several distros, and while Linux is complete and utter shit, fedora takes the cake and puts nuts and sprinkles on top.
Use Rocky Linux.
>up-to-date
>cutting edge
>stable
also; fedora has a built-in mongoloid repellent. in order to enjoy movies/music in non-free formats, you need to properly install multimedia support., which is easily achievable for a person with a double-digit iq. morons are always btfo'd by this and ree all overt reddit
There are other distros that do all of this better though. Pick any Arch distro with a normie friendly installer on it like Endeavour. Why shill this one particular distro?
>Pick any Arch distro
it just werks
It just works.
it works
It's one of three distros that actually just werk. Turns out corporate-backed FOSS is pretty good at least when that corporation isn't Microsoft.
Is it? I know some youtubers are shilling it now but I don't think it has much market share.
it werks
unlike those centos like rpm based distros requiring some package signing and stuff
idk I use Arch
it just works. no outdated packages like ubuntu/debian, yet no hours of tinkering with the system to make it work like arch
Bollocks.
Gentoo user since 2004.
Needed Linux for work...
Ugh better use a binary distro.. Something the other noons in my team can manage.
Fresh install...
Several popups "some program has crashed.. Send logdump?"..
Ffs... What is this shit.
Slower than gentoo.
Fatter than gentoo.
More crashey than gentoo..
Burn it.
Ubunu was same.
Arch was okay, but a bit bloated..
Frick it... Gentoo on the clock.
works on my machine
It's the best
dunno, been using it for 12 years now, for me it Just Werks™
if I had to guess, then maybe it's people getting fed up with Ubuntu and looking for an alternative
Fedora + Gnome + Wayland + Flatpak here
Makes IQfy seethe and I love it and it just works
go get your packages broken but repo jannies or something
More like people looking for alternatives from all the Ubuntu falldown. Seam itself moved to Arch while Ubuntu is no longer the most popular distribution among its users. As for Fedora, it has a reasonable reputation for being close to rolling release without being rolling release and its similarities to RHEL.
It just works™
>Debian
Out of date packages not good unless system is mission critical.
>Arch
Too many fricking updates.
And breaks.
>manjaro
Just a shitty version of arch that breaks even more thanks to their shitty package manager.
>Linux Mint
Based on Ubuntu using an shitty out of date fork of gnome.
Devs have to work hard to under mine all ubuntu's features.
>Fedora
Comes with the most stable and up to date DE gnome.
Comes with spins and no snaps.
It just works
>gnome
not a good feature
>not a good feature
Well Boo Hoo homosexual, this what most people on Linux use, cry about it.
Spins exist why are you ignoring it?
>not a good feature
Oh no, a DE that just works.
the only reason you think GNOME isn't a good feature is because you think bugs are synonymous with features.
just works, I'll probably go to Ubuntu LTS soon enough because the aggressive updates are getting a bit annoying, but otherwise Fedora is fine
I was my 3rd distro, I really loved it tell I tried Arch. Now my eyes have been opened and I'm less impressed by it. But honestly it's a great distro with a few setbacks.
Fedora (7, I think) was the first distro I used and it felt so polished. For reasons that have long since been forgotten I started distro hopping and never returned to it.
It'll always have a special place in my heart and I just hope they haven't messed it up too badly.
>Why is it so popular nowadays?
the same how Arch was giga shilled here some years ago.
we'll see which distro will be the next big boy
Hint: Alpine
>Packages: 916
This is after adding some stuff like wifi and sound settings which weren't included in plasma-desktop. I think I'll add some other stuff as I need them.
Thank you based anons.
Because it works fine + performs well. Had Linux Mint, Debian, on my machine, choppy and poor performing. Install Fedora GNOME, works flawlessly with no issues, quick and easy to use. Plus support from RedHat, and you get a complete product.
tldr: not gay, no homosexual tinkering
Is not, more than 90% of the planet uses Windows or MacOs if they ever touch a PC.
Works best with gnome.
And gnome is the most popular desktop environment.