Why is is so difficult for MTFs to accept that they were socialized as males?
>inb4 nuh uh i wasn’t i swear!!!!
Why is is so difficult for MTFs to accept that they were socialized as males? >inb4 nuh uh i wasnt i swear!!!!
Why is is so difficult for MTFs to accept that they were socialized as males?
>inb4 nuh uh i wasn’t i swear!!!!
because we didn't have cis male socialization, we had trans girl socialization, which is brutalizing, horrifying, numbing, and entirely distinct
Fpbp. We don't have male socialization so much as we were socialized as males, which when you're not one is very painful and the reason why a lot of us are fucked in the head.
>brutalizing
>horrifying
>numbing
the same ego that lets you believe you're a female also prevents you from seeing you were socialized as a male all along. The most female thing about you lot is an inability to see beyond your own feelings and suffering.
nerdy unwanted shut in boy is still male socialization
i am very malebrained and there's nothing wrong with that
I'm not malebrained and I was an incel what does that mean? my therapist told me I have a really femenine patern of thought
Everyone is male-socialized to some extent. Males are treated as the default human being.
>Males are treated as the default human being.
>Males
>Treated like human beings
nagger you're retarded. Stupid foid.
I was treated more humanely when I was a guy.
hons are seen as men.
>was treated more humanely when I was a guy
Your experience is obviously not typical. Mosten are only loved on the basis that we provide something in return. Only women and small animals are loved unconditionally. Your experience does not break the rule. Look at the fact that over 95© of FtM transitioners go back because of the sheer isolation and dismissal from society they receive. Whereas only a small amount of MtF transitioners change back. Women live on story mode, while men get the "give me slave for war" difficulty setting.
I can’t believe any of you still believe this incel nonsense lmao. Being a woman, if anything, is like being stuck on the same level. It’s an ok level, people are nice to you but they also expect a very limited set of tasks from you. Get tired of that level? Too bad, you’re stuck there. And meanwhile you hear men, who had had fa more leeway in deciding their gameplay, now bitching because the level is too hard, all like
>waaaaaaahhhh all I really want to do is have someone look in my eyes and love me unconditionally abloobloobloo
I’m convinced, as ever, this is a grass is greener thing
>males
>treated as human
lolno
this
men are only seen as tools or things to be used if one is broken you don't fix it you just throw it away and get a new
Nattyfoids act like “male socialization” is our original sin that we have to atone for. They constantly act catty about it. Well guess what? I have male socialization and I’m not ashamed of it, and if you’re gunna act passive aggressive I’m going to show you genuine male aggression. If you’re going to talk shit do it behind my back because if you say shit to my face you will regret it.
>If you’re going to talk shit do it behind my back
you say that like they don't already lolol
cunts like you are exactly what they are complaining about
>2 older sisters
>Only female friends growing up
>Dad was gone half the time for work trips
>I was a cheerleader
>""Male socialization""
Pretty sure they groomed you, bro
You are worthless unless you are the best. That's why a large amount of men click out or pretend to be women
No, in my case its "either i have to vent aggression and frustration outside (chimp out) or keep it contained inside (so suicide)", and the only way out is to transition and to let it all fuck go and let me be free and at peace.
just have BPD
People just told me over and over to stop acting like a woman and to stop bitching like a woman
>be born as male where society expects you to control and suppress your emotions get BPD
if god is real he is a cunt
this
also this
A lot of people run on this automatic assumption that if a thing is used to irrationally critique you by opposition then it must be an invalid concept
smartest poster ITT
succinct truth anon
why is it so difficult for retards to understand that mtfs internalise all the same gender norms that cis women internalise, leading to similar reuslts in terms of self-perception? is that not female socialisation?
They don't understand how socialization works they think it's something binary and if you don't internalize male socialization is because you are an exception I was in fanimist group and they are that tarded. There's actually a bunch of feminist that are pseudo terfs, ai got more aceptanacw for non feminist women or than for feminist. I'm not anti feminist I just like like to be reformed to be not so terfy
most u trannies hate to hear it but most of the draw comes from you not being a retarded foid incapable of empathizing with a man's emotions
men dont have emotions besides angry and horny
If troons don’t like hearing this, perhaps they should stop acting so male
Acept you're male so you might be less male. Are you're tarded?
are you?
Because they're so far in the hole that doubling down is infinitely easier than admitting you made a mistake. Like women that slut it up in their twenties, hit the wall and then blame men for not being able to find a husband in their thirties and forties.
Why is it so difficult for you to not point this out?
Why is it so difficult for you to not give a shit about that?
some do some don't. it largely depends on the mtf in question you generalizing goober
Mommy...
I need your cock in my mouth
i mostly hung out with girls because guys didn't want to hangout with me even though I wanted too but that was probably jst because I was gay
I think that's just autistic socialization tbh
You're socially awkward and boys pick on you, you hang out with girls instead because girls don't give you wedgies and noogies, then you go to college and major in CS or something similarly nerdy, and your friends all go into psychology and special education
A lot of AGP trans women I've met (mostly older ones) have that exact back story
i didn't go to college I was too dumb/poor
>i didn't go to college I was too dumb/poor
being dumb and/or poor doesn't mean you're not agp
I haven't noticed that so much
if you find that mtfs don't like it when you talk about them having male socialization, maybe it's a problem with the way you're saying it, not with them accepting it.
makes me think of people who want to talk about toxic masculinity and stuff, but then only really want to use it to attack men.
But also there's a difference between male socialization and "has female friends, bullied for seeming like a fag" male socialization.
>there's a difference between male socialization and "has female friends, bullied for seeming like a fag" male socialization
I wish I acted faggier and got bullied so I didn't feel like such a poser. I was one of those "don't make your sexuality your whole identity" types. I thought I was making the smart choice at the time.
I didn't even know I acted like a fag
I went to a really small school that only went up to grade 5 and had mostly female classmates, switching to a normal public school after that was a bit of a culture shock
but the bullying wasn't that bad, mostly just verbal
Oh, also, I didn't have any female friends because I was a troublemaker in elementary school and all the girls were snitches.
That is irrelevant, I am not a hon, I look like a twin of my cis sister. Admittedly, if she's a cishon, I'm fucked, but I don't think she is.
>I thought I was making the smart choice at the time.
Maybe you did? I'm guessing it was a lot easier to make friends that way.
Male friends, yeah, but I had no female friends after maybe second grade.
Because even if there are some things that commonly are taught to men, what 'male socialization' means to a person immediately depends on which exact gender hangups their parents and local culture taught them.
For example, one girl is taught by her mom that a girl should always have good hygeine and thus should never burp. She grows up believing that not burping in front of company is a womanly trait. Meanwhile, another mother might be a fucking skob and that daughter will grow up with an understanding that hygeine and gender arent connected.
By that logic there are a near infinite ways that one can be "male socialized" or "female socialized" to a point that even measuring such things is really just recgonizing trends rather than facts or laws.
Ultimately, I can recognize that being raised make has obviously had some effect on me. My hobbies are generally male dominated hobbies, which is far less likely to happen had I been born female.
And yet, I do not have an identical personality to every male. In fact, people born male have a great diversity of socialization! And the minute details about which gender norms were rigid and which were treated as fluid by my parents growing up obviously had an effect. Not to mention, any weird feelings I had about gender may have made lessons about 'maleness'be kess effective on me.
One can recognize there are trends within each sex that are pushed and reiterated by society, but youd be a fool to treat any experience as a universal male experience or universal female experience and dive into sex essentialism.
because it's delusional
socialization isn't a one way street, average mtf has a different socialization than a cis man, it's just also different from a cis woman. trannies are tranny socialized
Youre half way there
But yoy must understand
Not even all cis men are socialized the same and not all cis women are socialized the same
'Male socialization' and etc is just behabioral pattern recognition, which is helpful while looking at populations but useless when applied to the individual.
>and etc.
The "et" in "et cetera" already means "and." What you said literally means "and and so forth."
Okay but you understood what I was trying to say which means I communicated effectively and your complaints are meaningless. Do you correct people who say atm machine too? Annoying fuck
Yes. Stop contributing to the degeneration of language, you fucker.
Languages sole purpose isbfor communication, as long as you are policing language on credentials other than 'effective communication', you are degenerating language you autist
When you get sloppy, language loses nuance and makes it harder to communicate more complex ideas.
You can communicate using oerfect grammar and still fail at nuance and complexity.
And you can communicate loosely and still communicate complicated ideas. In this case, I used a redudancy. Redundancy in no way would have amy negative effect on nuance
I was socialized neutrally when I was a kid, but got socialized as a boy when I was a teenager and then a man in my early 20s. But now I'm in the process of lessening the impact of that masculine socialization by deconstructing it, and learning how to socialize as a woman my age now that I'm full time. I have many women to talk to and learn from, to relate with as I build my feminine socialization
Very few MtFs actually experience normal male socialization. Usually MtFs are either effeminate, mildly effeminate+autistic, have BPD, or are raised by a mother with BPD. All of these make normal male socialization near impossible and attempts to socialize them as normal men are extremely traumatic in some fashion. The one thing you can really say is there is an absence of female socialization, but I don't understand why you need to browbeat about someones trauma in order to gain social leverage. Like, no other trauma victims get this sort of response.
Worth noting that I'm mainly talking about the demographic of people on this board who predominantly transition in their mid to late teens or early twenties.
yeah and it psychologically damaged us
How is that hard for me to accept? I was raised as male and socialized as male.
Ok I should’ve said “most mtf”
i was sad to see jessie genders video saying male socilization is not real. its very real. my family says they didnt raise me with gender but yes they did.
I wasn't socialized
at all
you do realize that males don't have some kind of universal shared experience, putting aside the complexities of being a trans woman
you are all degenerate rapists, trannies too
oh 100% I was socialized male but to pretend that didn't occur is just silly. I've recently taken notice of inherently femme or masc traits that me or my bf exhibit as t4t but these seem to have been grown from the ground up as we developed as I did spend time around him as a kid. Along with, like, everything mental or emotional: it's learned. Me personally, I switch vocab, flow, and tone around people depending on what seems to work to make friends. Almost purely at work with my fellow AMAB but still. If you want to socialize female just socialize with females 😛
If I wasn’t socialized male, then how the fuck did I end up on LULZ of all places? If this site were a physical place, it would smell like musty unshowered NEET stink, and there would be discarded cum rags and bottles of urine strewn about. This place is as toxically male as it gets lmao
you weren't socialized at all if you're a LULZ troon
Um no sweetie. I only played as the girls in DoA so that means I had a cis female upbringing tyvm.
so true!
>Why is is so difficult for MTFs to accept that they were socialized as males?
>inb4 nuh uh i wasn’t i swear!!!!
I was gay, hung out with girls, and adult men preyed on me. There's not much more I could've been female socialized without literally being female.
People seem confused about what gender socialisation is
Gender socialisation occurs from the very moment you realise what boys and girls, fathers and mothers are as a child, around 3-4
It's not experiencing socialisation, i.e talking and hanging out with your friends
Was i socialized if i had no friends
You grew up with a male brain due to testosterone developing you into a sexual deviant. So, regardless, everything you do is socially male
I was fat, crippled, and sensitive from a young age, so while I did experience male socialization it was like, bad male socialization. Failed male socialization. Masculinity was consistently a metric I failed to live up to and that failure was what defined me in many people's eyes. I was big but not strong, not tough, not manly. I was a living failure, a paper tiger that people were afraid of when they thought I was a threat and disgusted by when they realized I wasn't. So yeah I had male socialization. I'll probably never recover from it, either.
i'm acutely aware of my male socialization and as a repper i entirely leaned into it to help me keep repping
honestly i don't really mind being malebrained, it's just kinda who i am and i'm at peace with it. sure despite all the jokes i've gotten about "female brained bottoms" a lot of my interests and hobbies are malebrained and it helps me bond with guys and i like guys so that's neat.
i didnt socialize with males unless getting beaten up counts
but it seems that is all males do so maybe that was it
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