Why is college still so expensive when you can get the same or better quality education in literally any subject from reading free materials online? Is it just a way to gatekeep poor people from entering middle and upper class society?
Why is college still so expensive when you can get the same or better quality education in literally any subject from reading free materials online?
>Is it just a way to gatekeep poor people from entering middle and upper class society?
Exactly. Most HR departments won't even consider you without a college education. Most of the time they won't even see it because the computer system will simply reject you. You need a minimum of a four year degree and multiple years of experience before you even apply to a middle-class job. Yes, that means unpaid internships. Good luck.
That's just a right wing conspiracy theory, anon.
the answer is that you are a disgusting muttoid who believes education and the university system is just another company whose first interest is making money, so it is subject to the free market like any other company. Pay up, goy!
>why are they extorting people who are stupid enough to pay for something they can get for free
It doesn't matter if you can learn it for free when every job requires a college degree.
>every job requires a college degree.
Depends on the industry and the employer. You're being a hysterical baby spewing hyperbole. Unless it's a licensed field, there are employers who value experience over degrees. You're just too lazy to find them.
Good point. Taco Bell for example does not require a bachelor degree, and they will consider your years of experience working in fast food
nearly all middle class jobs require both a degree and experience specific to the field
>why the job market is infested with wagies?
if you are good enough at what you do/know open a business
>paying dearly in time and money for something you can get for free in order to allow another man to enrich himself by exploiting your time, skills and knowledge for his gain and ultimately the benefit of his genetic legacy at the detriment of yours
if it walks like a cuck and talks like a cuck
Most tech companies care about skills (or diversity) and not degrees but corporate IT still requires degrees. If you're a motivate self starter, learn what you can and then use Western Governors University to test out of taking most classes.
Because it's competition, IQ testing for employment, is illegal
It's EQ vs IQ
A great bullshiter = high EQ
A great pattern noticer = high IQ
High EQ is more valued in clown worlds
Education isn't about learning, it's about getting a degree and making friends. Good luck applying to a job with "I finished the brilliant course on maths and know a guy I play games with online, no I don't know his real name"
I don't remember a job application ever asking who your friends are.
You aren't supposed to apply if you have the right friends.
The market hasn't corrected yet. It's obvious to me that higher education credentials should manifest as national (or even international) standardized exams similar to advanced placement exams offered to highschool students in America. For instance, the equivalent of fulfilling general education requirements at university could be a set of 5-8 exams demonstrating English, math, science, philosophy, etc proficiency. If you're interested in a computer science degree, there's a set of exams for that, and so on for every degree. "Schooling" henceforth would just be exam preparation assistance.
>suggesting national exams when they're actively getting rid of any sort of standardized testing even at the high school level because dey rayciss
Good luck.
Just lie about having the 4 year degree. 50% of jobs these days won't even verify it if they like you in the interview.
I would say more than 50%
Also nobody could be fucked calling up references if they think you're half decent
The funniest example is George O'Leary, who was the football coach at Georgia Tech for over half a decade before Notre Dame hired him away. Georgia Tech's HR department never checked the validity of his claimed degrees but Notre Dame's HR department did and discovered he lied about having been a star football player (he never played a single snap of college football) and lied about having a masters degree from NYU-Stony Brook (a school that doesn't even exist). It looked pretty bad for Georgia Tech to have had him on the payroll for so long without verifying anything but Notre Dame caught it immediately.
But we now have a president that lied about similar things and most are fine with it.
It is so grade inflated and easy - just chill your way to a degree - load up your resume with internships and skills useful for the workplace on the side - don't fall for the graduate school meme or else you will end up a manchild as you never gain adult responsibilities at the correct stage of your development.
How am I gonna get an Internship If I didnt do anything in highschool
no it is to fund bogus soience
college is a weapon that people below 115 iq use to try and legally keep 130 iq out of professions.
only someone below 115 would spend 120k in order to, MAYBE, IF you get a job, make 10k more a year PRE tax. but because they can bully people through the legal system, that's precisely what they do.
university should be made illegal for anything but physics, chemistry, etc. and even then it should represent nothing. someone should be able to take the graduation test and get a degree for 100$ if they pass
Bro if your IQ is above 130 you shouldn't have any difficulty figuring out how to go to college for free.
t. full scholarship in undergrad, currently doing a master's fully funded by a grant
>10k more a year
The average degree holder makes more than double what the average high school graduate makes.
>go back to school in 2018
>2-year associates program
>NEET at the time
>Pell grants pay for most of the costs
>graduate owing around $3,000
>make a little under $40 an hour now
It’s not an amazing living, aid I used to regret not going to a University, but in hindsight it’s nice not being $100k in debt. Even if I had paid in full, it would have cost me around $20k. My employer offers tuition reimbursement of about. 40% so I’m considering going back to school.
So where is this mythical person who didn't go to college but got a superior education with "their library card?"
Because I still haven't met them.
There are plenty of college dropouts and even high school dropouts who are millionaires and billionaires. Most aren't because they didn't have the ability to make it further but for some, the formal school structure was simply holding them back. Kind of weird that you think such people don't exist.
What does being a billionaire have to do with technical competency?
>I still haven't met them.
Maybe that's because you hang out mainly with other losers you met in adult kindergarten.
Or it could be that the library card cope is baseless and repeated by retards who weren't able to go to college because they had a horrible high school transcript from playing World of Warcraft for 14 hours a day.
Continue larping as a billionaire entrepreneur though.
>Or it could be that the library card cope is baseless
Or it could be what I said. You wouldn't know either way.
I have a pretty good hunch.
Your hunches don't matter. What matters is your confirmation of my point.
They don't exist, because it takes so little willpower to complete college that if you drop out, you certainly don't have enough discipline or willpower to do anything useful.
I hire for our company, and we don't even consider applications without a degree because I 100% know you will slack off. It's a biotech, so the order is roughly:
PhD: Easiest to hire. Unless their PI's babied them, they are motivated to do work. I just talk shop to see if they know their shit and have ideas, and introduce them to see if they will jive with our work culture. I have 100% success rate hiring about a dozen PhDs this way, never have to actually "vet" them, the PhD filters them for me.
>BS/MS
Definitely more weary. I check to see if they are generally excited and motivated with personal projects, and if its clear they are enthusiastic (I hire for mostly coding positions here). If they have generic "zillow house predictions" or another shitty cars dataset "analysis", in the trash. If they built a 3D runner clone or something like tinygrad project for fun, bumped up the list dramatically. It's so easy to laze your way through college that a BS doesn't mean anything. MS is slightly better, but its still not quite enough sometimes. Definitely get some duds during interviews, its pretty easy to tell by chatting projects if they are going to be good.
High school only types don't really apply. I think the ones that do don't even get sent to me. Too many false positives in this pool.
you don't run in the same social circles. Those that did likely own successful small businesses
A lot of code monkey software engineer types don't have college degrees. This is becoming less common, but these people can make good money. 6 figure salaries without a degree if they're talented and experienced. Of course, these people probably aren't working in machine learning or data science or shit like that.
I got paid to do a university degree
t. eurochad
>i get bribed to accept brainwashing
If you can get the same education from free online material, you're getting a meme degree and/or attending a meme university. Stop doing that.
The reason college is so expensive is that the federal government keeps increasing the amount of student loans it is willing to issue to students, so colleges will gladly raise their prices to take that money. Now, this wouldn't be so bad if universities used that extra money is useful ways, like hiring more professors & getting better equipment, but most of them have decided they need hordes of admin workers who don't actually do anything useful, alongside shiny new gyms & sportsball facilities.
My education was a total of 1640€. 164€ per semester, 10 semesters until I had my Master degree.
your father paid for all that in reduced income and high taxes, thats why he couldn't afford to buy you a car when you were 16 years old, thats why you grew up in a small house
So people over the pond don't need to pay taxes? What's the usual deduction for a person who is single and makes around 100k for example?
150 years ago europe was by far the wealthiest and most influential region of the planet and after of the changes and "big improvements" of the past century and a half, europe is now an impoverished political and economic backwater
Because america doesn't want Europe as a real adversary so they keep them weak. They used to just hold russia over their head but now Muslims and African migrants too.
Why doesn't Europe not submit to American demands?
The EU is Germany and Germany is an American puppet.
>its a conspiracy!!!
so are europeans like babies and completely unable to influence their own destiny?
>so are europeans like babies and completely unable to influence their own destiny?
That's completely evident.
>€
Is that supposed to mean anything?
Euros
If your country had affordable education you would know that
>Euros
What like europeans?
Dude, how are rectors, deans and professors supposed to make money?
The no degree-ers are really getting angry lately
>public instate
>95k
which public university? universities in my state have block pricing. you pay like $4.5k per semester to take between 12-18 credits. ends up being like $35k for an entire 120 credit program.
>Expected tuition and fees in 2033
college doesn't grant entry into the upper class. The upper class attend it as a formality before being granted their sinecure. Poors can and do go to college, banks are eager to give out loans they no risk on and businesses love people who cannot change jobs (due to loan repayments) and fields (artificial barrier to entry) easily suppressing wages and conditions. businesses also benefit from not having to provide extensive apprenticeships. colleges get tons of money by gatekeeping non shitjobs. Everyone wins except the wagie
Not surprising. Most morons on here are all too eager to express their opinion on a /misc/ related subject.
Here is the correct answer; OP have you ever considered that academia funnel-funds twatter? I know, some people will hate this post, my post for my classic elegance but also idiotic caveman speak which I cannot control the idiot speak out of my mouth. Have you ever considered that academia is also a tool of the government to change reality?
>Ernest Jones, in 1913, was the first to construe extreme narcissism, which he called the "God-complex", as a character flaw. He described people with God-complex as being aloof, self-important, overconfident, auto-erotic, inaccessible, self-admiring, and exhibitionistic, with fantasies of omnipotence and omniscience. He observed that these people had a high need for uniqueness.