Why is China historically so insignificant?

>higher iq

>are more numerous

>gets completely btfo by western civilization militarily, economicaly, culturally and technologically

What went wrong? Where did they fucked up so badly?

  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They got complacent and stagnates, allowing Euroangutans time to catch up.
    Seems like the reverse is happening nowadays.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Seems like the reverse is happening nowadays.

      Its not though, even in the 'super advanced Japan' everyone basedfaces about in a lot of aspects they're stuck in the early 2000's tech wise. For example their office workplaces still use fax machines, hardly use up to date methods of work.

      China is only advanced in the mega cities anything outside of that is literally either a cardboard cutout of a decent place and behind it its literally empty and shit. Or a legit village with no electricity. Also most of their advances comes from stolen shit from SK or white nations.

      And for South Korea they may be the most technologically advanced but their population is also rapidly decreasing at alarming rates to where key sectors will experience major manpower shortage to stop any major advances if left unchecked.

      Europe isn't declining majorly and is still relevant in technology R&D. This ides of "the east will take over!" is deluded. At best it'll become a multi polar world with the west not having a clear majority influence/power across the world.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Eastern Europe, the Balkans, Spain, Italy, and Portugal are all behind Japan economically and technologically.

        China has better infrastructure at this point than the US because they didn't waste 2 trillion on Afghanistan.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You mean that two giga meme regions and three remarkably inefficient countris are behind one of the most remarkable countries in asia?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This is the saddest cope I've read in so long. Wow, the sheer state of wh*toids :/

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >in a lot of aspects they're stuck in the early 2000's tech wise
        Sounds great.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Japan is stuck in early 2000s they still use fax machines
        I've worked multiple office grunt jobs here in America and plenty of places run by boomers still use fax machines

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >western civilization
    no such thing

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Their political and social system just worked too well for literally 3000+ years. Thanks to a confucian bureaucratic elite. Imagine ~300 years of relative peace in all the land you know, 1 major upheaval, then it repeats. If it's not broken, why fix it? China is like what Rome could've become if it remained the undisputed regional hegemon. Stagnant, complacent, rich and unparalleled.
    Their geography being more homogeneous than Europe's helped too. Was easier to unite it all eventually.
    They could've benefited from it fracturing and separate states getting more competitive, vying for influence against one another. Not after the Age of Exploration started, of course.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >unparalleled
      Chinks weren't, lol. They got btfoed by Mongols. And constantly fought among each other.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Oh, and of course Manchus.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They were in the same way Rome were, that's part of the analogy
        Rome always had the steppenig and germ problem at their borders too. They just never recovered from it afterwards. Like Rome with germs, China also subjugated steppenigs a couple times, but it was never enough, and eliminating them completely would've meant overextending their borders (like the Han) like if Rome decided to settle Germania.
        Besides those, China was indeed unparalleled in its region. If not militarily sometimes then culturally, economically, populationwise. All the more before 1500.

        Oh, and of course Manchus.

        Got absorbed into the han, confucian hive not too long after they conquered china militarily

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Germanic tribes weren't their only problem. Rome had enemies of all fronts, and they greatly outnumbered Latins. Chinks on the other hand always had massive population and their main enemies were a bunch of nomadic naggers.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Germanic tribes weren't their only problem.
            They were their main problem and downfall.
            >Rome had enemies of all fronts, and they greatly outnumbered Latins.
            If you're talking about Rome as far back as to use "Latins" you should also consider that that's what the Han, or proto-Chinese did early on too. Conquer other peoples, assimilate and sinicize them.
            >massive population and their main enemies were a bunch of nomadic naggers.
            Rome's population was always roughly equal contemporary China's and their main enemies were primitive barbarians too.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >They were their main problem and downfall.
              Not really. Chinks never fought against other powerful empires like Parthia.
              >If you're talking about Rome as far back as to use "Latins" you should also consider that that's what the Han, or proto-Chinese did early on too.
              They did. But like I said they had many enemies. One tribe of barbarians after another invaded Italy. Only decades after collapse they started larping as Romans.
              >Rome's population was always roughly equal contemporary China's and their main enemies were primitive barbarians too.
              Not really. Main enemy of Easter Roman empire, for example, was Parthia.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                For the exception of Talas, but they got btfoed by arabs and turks.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                China fought Tibet, massive steppe confederations, Greek city states, the Abbasids that one time, and most significantly, itself.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          cope harder chang, holy shit lmao

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Can you tell me what I'm coping about?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              deep down, I think you know good and well what you are coping about, lil yellow guy

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have nothing else to contribute except ad homs?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Getting fully conquered twice in your 3000 year long history isn't a bad track record.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They were never really more advanced than Europeans. Maybe in the Middle Ages.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Did chinks ever even try to expand their sphere of influence? Taiwan was first conquered by Europeans

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No, Chinese are morally superior to gweilo, we do not seek to subjugate other peoples or take over the world unlike gweilo.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        yeah thats why you bugs are trying to claim every inch of land east of the caspian sea lmfao, all historical chink clay huh? Give me a break "wolf warrior"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Is this what gweilo truly believe?
          You watch too much propaganda.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            what about owning half of africa now mr bug? Can't bold face deny that one can ya? God the lies that come out of your stinky fishy gap toothed mouth are entertaining and funny as hell

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              China does not own half of Africa. We have simply signed multiple treaties to foster the economic development of our glorious nations in spirit of cooperation.
              The CCP has rightly identified that third-world nations have to band together if we want a chance for development and self-determination against the imperialistic powers of the West.
              We did not force them to sign those treaties, we’ve never invaded any African country or practiced colonialism there in our long history, they signed out of their own volition.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Really, chang?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >white westerners pretending to give a shit about black Africans after several centuries of brutal abuse and exploitation
                WHO WRITES THIS SHIT LMAO
                https://youtu.be/P5uzxV8ub9k

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >We have simply signed multiple treaties to foster the economic development of our glorious nations in spirit of cooperation.
                This is what Euroshits did to China and India a few centuries ago.

                > self-determination against the imperialistic powers of the West.
                Chinks are just gonna replace the westerners

                >We did not force them to sign those treaties, we’ve never invaded any African country or practiced colonialism there in our long history, they signed out of their own volition.
                This is the same argument that France uses to maintain neocolonial holding over west africa. Sure, countries are trapped in debt to western europe, but they signed those treaties right?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >trapped in debt
                Yeah, the popular chinese assasination of african leaders and owned ports in all africa amirite.

                Whitey's time is over.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Delusional

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >We

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Did chinks ever even try to expand their sphere of influence?
      of course, but instead of giving a shit about the sea their expansion routes were on land, in fact much of modern China (Xinjiang, Tibet, Mongolia, Manchuria, Yunnan and Guangxi) were areas the government focused on.
      While I can't say exactly why the Chinese did not bother occupying Taiwan before they did my guess is it's related to the fact they found it lacking anything of note (even after occupation it was treated as an utter backwater that wasn't even its own province until the mid 19th century) to distinguish it from other areas. They basically only kept it to keep anyone from repeating what Koxinga did

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Refuse to believe China specifically has a high IQ. Like every statistic they release it must be fake.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Too much pride to Westernize some of its institutions earlier. The Chinese got western weapons, but didn't really follow western military, governmental, or legal doctrine, but Japan did, and so got the full benefit of all the institutions. Essentially if you get BTFO by a superior power, you need to reassess everything rather than just doing some window dressing and assuming your on the same level.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      But why would they need to westernize in the first place?

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    bros why do the romans live so rent free in bug heads? I don't get it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      because it's a very common comparison in genetal
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_studies_of_the_Roman_and_Han_empires?wprov=sfla1

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Insecure. See how Changs always dragged Rome into any Chink thread.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >and the Lu Wan fought Warlord Zu Lan in the battle of Huwei where 100.000 soldiers were slayed
    >Zu Lan and his remaining forces retreated into the city of Wuhang, were they were besieged for 4 years
    >after a famine the inhabitants of Wuhang resorted to cannibalism and eventually ate Zu Lan after ambushing him with his honor guard
    >Lu Wan slaughtered the adult population out of retribution for killing Zu Lan, the children were ensalved
    >after his victory, the yellow river flooded again causing a famine costing five million lives
    >believing the mandate of heaven was lost the Chinese people revolted under the leadership of the Eunuch Hu Wan, causing the Li civil war killing ten million people

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    no Christianity. Nietzche once called Christianity “Platonism for the masses” as a bitchy slur, but he wasn’t wrong. And having a platonic worldview is necessary for advanced mathematics and philosophy.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >mongolia
    >higher IQ

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They were in the lead globally until the 1600s.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I mean, say what you will about the rest of the post, east asians are the highest IQ race in the world
    it's just that IQ is meaningless, and anyone who touts out IQ to prove his superiority is a retard

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Source: Lynn
      What do you want, a dildo?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You disagree that IQ and genetics are related?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I disagree that Lynn is a trustworthy source for information.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Leadership issue, highly-competent revolt, and then a third-party that took the capitol and wooed the elites.
    The conflicts this generated exposed China and caused its military to deteriorate. Culturally, Westerners have always been subsumed by West Asians. Economic and technological differences ultimately came from Europeans being handed two more continents' worth of resources, crops that grow abundantly wherever they land, and the world's luckiest coup in India, followed by the leader of the only real power there dying from Tuberculosis before he could subdue them.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Same thing that China always does. The ruling class choked the people because they feared the people, and they feared losing power. The worse times get the more authoritarian China gets. Much the same in the other East asian nations as well, but they have slightly different dynamics about them.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Large empires always end up senile and stagnate like the Roman and Ottoman Empire

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >higher iq

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Darwinism in action
      Is this supposed to be an argument against that?

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    East Asian countries had a “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” attitude towards civilization. Japan was the only one that realized they would be steamrolled if they didn’t make revolutionary changes to their society like Europe did which is why they were the only non western power to industrialize independently.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Japan
      >industrialized independently
      The fuck you on!?

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Europeans have a higher variabily in intelligence, chinks are higher average, but their top people are nowhere near as smart as the smartest europeans.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Sure thing, Cletus! Whatever you say, Cletus! We all believe you, Cletus!
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    OH NO NO NO NO

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >RT

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    almost 70 posts in, and not a single decent reply.
    LULZ is fucking dead.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Asians don't have the Faustian spirit of the White man

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Idk. Ask based Jeremy.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We've all seen the videos of people getting run over and no one giving a shit or people getting sucked into escalators or crushed by elevators. 99% is in China. Other countries like Nigeria and India are poorer and they all have cameraphones now, yet it all comes from China. As the world becomes more homogenized we are beginning to see their defects first hand.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      China in 1933 was 5 years out from a civil war that spanned the country, and had been headed by an absolute power in the Qing who utterly failed to modernize the country, leading the conditions of the vast majority of chinese to be feudal, how can you blame a people of uneducated feudal peasants for being foolish, the example with the captain chucking the man off the boat, think about this, the captain has no education beyond that of his peers or family, boatmen who followed this practice would survive more often than boatmen who did not in a place without knowledge of germ theory or other conceptions of disease.

      Race theory is a utterly stupid conception, i know people of chinese descent, and they are not all skeeving, lying bastards, if this is true, then it cannot be true that the "defects" of the chinese are inherent to their race, but rather the material conditions that form their culture.

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