Why hasnt anyone solved the Heaven paradox?


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>If God is all knowing, all loving, and all powerful why does he allow so much unnecessary suffering, like rape, torture, genocide, birth defects, etc
>Because free will
>Ok. But God created Heaven, an afterlife of eternal bliss with no suffering
>Yes
>So is there free will in Heaven?
If yes
>Then God can create a world with no suffering that also has free will, yet intentionally chooses not to
If no
>Then free will isn’t particularly valuable. We are going to spend an eternity with no free will, the entire end goal of our life now is to end up with no free will. What is 60, 70, 80 years of life with free will compared to an eternity with no free will? According to your own religion a life with pointless suffering and free will is less preferable compared to an afterlife with eternal bliss and no free will

  1. 3 days ago
    Anonymous
  2. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Ok. But God created Heaven, an afterlife of eternal bliss with no suffering
    this is not biblical.

  3. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    Christianity makes almost no sense from front to back. It's completely ridiculous.

    > Why doesn't God just forgive us instead of having to send his son (who is also himself somehow) to earth to be brutally executed?

    > Why doesn't he appear to each one of us so we know for sure that he exists and how we should live and what to believe?

    > Why did he choose a contradictory book loaded with bullshit and written in three different ancient languages to deliver his message? Was he unaware that the vast majority of human beings ever until about a century ago were totally unable to read it and were at the mercy of preachers who could have their own agendas or flawed interpretations?

    > Why is the Bible so unclear on fundamental issues that to this day, 2000 years after Jesus lived, Christians can't even agree on countless important issues like the nature of Hell or even what you need to do to be saved?

    > Why did he only deliver the gospel message in the Middle East? What about people living in China or Mexico at that time who weren't able to hear message for centuries (or even well over a millennium)?

    > How is god "good" when he ordered baby/child slaughter or did it himself countless times?

    > Why does God care more about mixed fabrics and shellfish than slavery?

    The only answers you'll get to questions like these are some sort of cope about "mysterious ways" or "God knows why," all of which are laughable copouts.

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      Why doesn't Allah just forgive us instead of having his worshippers circle around a black cube in the desert?

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        Because he's a less thinly veiled tyrant than the Christian ones. Muslim cultures only respected strength, so the motherfuckers who wouldn't pretty up the fact that they'd stone you to death for showing skin would be taken more seriously than the guy who'd burn you alive for heresy but claim he loves you.

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          >the guy who'd burn you alive for heresy
          The baptists never did that, they were only being imprisoned and burned alive by other medieval groups. Eventually, some of them established religious liberty in a land called America.

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        Because the real ethnic is gone

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        Cause it's funny as fuck.

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      Don't try to make sense of it.

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23921675/

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      > Why doesn't God just forgive us instead of having to send his son (who is also himself somehow) to earth to be brutally executed?
      The coming of a messiah was something already enumerated in the Old Testament, Isaiah is even called 13th Apostle because of how much his work seems to predict the arrival of Jesus.
      > Why doesn't he appear to each one of us so we know for sure that he exists and how we should live and what to believe?
      God appears to many people in many ways, but even ignoring things like beauty and all that, Paul was nearly blinded when God appeared to him. Perhaps it's for our own protection.
      > Why did he choose a contradictory book loaded with bullshit and written in three different ancient languages to deliver his message? Was he unaware that the vast majority of human beings ever until about a century ago were totally unable to read it and were at the mercy of preachers who could have their own agendas or flawed interpretations?
      The Old Testament was for the israelites, was written long before Jesus about laws handed down even long before that. The culture that the laws were given to, and the context in which they were given had long changed by the time of Christ.
      > Why is the Bible so unclear on fundamental issues that to this day, 2000 years after Jesus lived, Christians can't even agree on countless important issues like the nature of Hell or even what you need to do to be saved?
      Because Protestants are retards.
      > Why did he only deliver the gospel message in the Middle East? What about people living in China or Mexico at that time who weren't able to hear message for centuries (or even well over a millennium)?
      The Middle East was the cradle of Humanity
      > How is god "good" when he ordered baby/child slaughter or did it himself countless times?
      They were wicked.
      > Why does God care more about mixed fabrics and shellfish than slavery?
      See above. Those laws were for the israelites at a different time, and were rendered null via Christ

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        >The coming of a messiah was something already enumerated in the Old Testament
        Most of these "prophecies" are either christians failing to read context or just attributed to Jesus by made up stories
        >Paul was nearly blinded when God appeared to him. Perhaps it's for our own protection
        Ignoring that many people claim to have met god didn't suffer any physical trauma, the story about Paul only appears in Acts (which is historical fiction) and wasn't corroborated by Paul at all so how can you come to that conclusion?

        • 3 days ago
          Anonymous

          >made up stories
          read Isaiah 53
          >Acts is historical fiction
          regardless of your opinion of God it’s very obvious that Paul and the apostles genuinely believed in what they were doing. unless you are willing to offer a compelling alternative explanation as to why people directly antagonistic or indifferent to Christ’s divinity were suddenly converted and freely chose to die penniless and impoverished in defense of that then the Christian’s interpretation is the only reasonable conclusion

          • 3 days ago
            Anonymous

            >read Isaiah 53
            Again, context
            Isaiah 53 is the fourth servant poems, the previous three explicitly said that the "servant" refers to Israel and not the future messiah unless you want to argue that this one specifically does.
            >suddenly converted and freely chose to die penniless and impoverished
            People dying or making sacrafices for their beliefs isn't exclusive to christianity nor is a sign that the belief was in any way true, just look at any other cult.
            As to why Paul turned into a christian, there are many possible explanations, but he himself has written that he had a personal experience which is a perfectly understandable reason, although it doesn't carry any objective truth value.

            • 3 days ago
              Anonymous

              it is evident with any modicum of good faith that Isaiah 53 is describing the messiah and the fulfillment of David’s line. that goes with the other songs as well - messianic prophesies of the Old Testament very clearly characterize there is to be a singular figure who achieves this.
              I never said whether or not the existence of martyrs vindicate said belief, only that referring to the events and people depicted in Acts as “fiction” is disingenuous.
              >it doesn't carry any objective truth value.
              how can a primary source explicitly accounting for his conversion through spiritual revelation not constitute truth historiographically? if anything, his conversion was completely unreasonable barring divine intervention, unless you want to elaborate on one of these “many possible explanations” you have yet to reveal

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      What does the parable of the wheat and tares mean?

      The harvest is not yet come. If I tell you of earthly things and you believe not, how much more if I tell you of heavenly things?

  4. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    >According to your own religion a life with pointless suffering and free will is less preferable compared to an afterlife with eternal bliss and no free will
    Um, yes. The world is called Dunya in many languages related to Arabic. Dunya means lowly

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      So then why didn’t God just create a reality with no suffering. Free will doesn’t matter

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Free will doesn’t matter
        Are you saying that sarcastically? Or is free will the best thing you could think of? If it is, enjoy it while you have it. You get to say and do whatever you want.
        But if you step out, you find out real quick it's not really whatever you want. There's people, cameras, police. So you have to be agreeable...
        Why is that?

        • 3 days ago
          Anonymous

          He's saying it rhetorically you fucking idiot. The only defense against the problem of evil that's taken even semi seriously is the idea that somehow free will is valuable enough to be more of a crime depriving it than creating a world of suffering. We have cameras and police because we have logical reasons to want a peaceful society. If God has less concrete reasons than literal hairless apes, then he's lesser than dirt, and likely nonexistent.

  5. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    You view [God] like a Kindergartener. Stop playing Kindergarten, and maybe you'll find the answers you seek!

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      it takes a child to see the emperor has no clothes.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        It also takes a child to get trapped in a bathroom —
        Don’t get trapped into sloganism and low quality atheist and theist malarkey and really think broadly and critically building off the shoulders of giants. If it follows the rules logic should be the first criteria, is it rational souls be the second, everything else is just ones preferred aesthetics like ‘umm sorry sweaty, god is not real because I’m not a fan of x ritual, method, guideline or rule’ which is sadly the Center of discussion for low iq theists and atheists.

  6. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    >why doesn’t God’s creation makes sense to me
    the absolute state of atheists

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      >God is nonsensical
      Oh no no no no...

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        yes to finite beings such as ourselves it would appear that an ultimate creator's designs are confusing.

  7. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    We shall kill god to free ourselves from his eternal chains of opression.

  8. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    This world is a test, hence free will. God made the test. Your soul is fresh, new code. Earth is the Beta test. You either pass and get recoded for mass release(Heaven) or they decompile you and leave you in cold storage as an example of what not to be(Hell).

    God is indeed all powerful and could have made Earth like Heaven but that would defeat the purpose of both. Why have two identical utopias but call one Earth and one Heaven? Obviously God made two things for two specific purposes. We know the purpose of Heaven, eternal reward and life with out suffering. It's pretty simple and straight forward. The unknown is "what is Earth?" or better yet "for what purpose did God create Earth?"

    Obviously God made Earth with suffering and pain and blah blah blah. So it must all be for a reason just like all the good stuff in Heaven is for a reason, because it's good. The Earth is filled with bad stuff to make a real test of the soul. The soul is given true and honest free will then exposed to true and honest tests of character. What better tests then the worst things life can throw at you. Look at all the people who have horrors inflicted on them and go on to worship God, do good, and save others. Those people obviously got a hard version of the test and likely passed...only God really knows that part.

    There are some who say it's a level higher, that God and the devil compete for souls on a levelish playing field (Earth). The souls have free will and some are very much tormented by demons in human flesh. Is it a test, is it a civil war in heaven? A little of both if you ask me, but no one asks.

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      Such a test is purely sadistic. An omniscient god doesn't need to "beta test" anything.

  9. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    You do not have free will in heaven, you become a single entity existing and once. Suffering and Bliss are simultaneous and forever. You become part of God, as we all are, HOWEVER few get here. You mostly are reincarnated.

    If you think otherwise you're an atheist who is not human, or are a fundamentalist, who is a fool. Yes I said that, atheists are not human.

  10. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    God gave us an incomplete puzzle. He left instructions to fill in half of it, a number of remaining pieces only some of which connect to the finished half, and the rest is empty or scattered individual pieces that don’t go anywhere. We can only go on what we’re given which is simply not a complete picture. Maybe there is meaning in not having all the pieces. But whatever you do don’t be a Christian about it and draw a pretty picture where the empty spaces are and say wow thanks for the wonderful picture, and don’t be a Muslim and take the puzzle apart and try to put it together a different way to get a full picture this time. This is all just cope because people aren’t satisfied with what the Old Testament says, which is that you are but flesh and blood and cannot come remotely close to comprehending the will of God.

  11. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    >if an all knowing all loving all powerful god is real then how come he doesn’t do exactly what I want and think is good based on my post modern ideas of morality that have been around for less than 100 years

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      euthypro's dilemma has been around for over a thousand years

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      Dude, it's not about what I want. It's about what God wants.
      Does God think there should be children born with their skin inside out? Does God think there should be sodomy and sorcerers?
      Presumably God does not think these things should be.
      Still he chose to create a world he knew would have those things in it. God does not need to create the world.

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Dude, it's not about what I want. It's about what God wants.
        Yes
        >Does God think there should be sodomy and sorcerers?
        there is nothing more pathetic than the atheist who assigns man’s cruelty and choice of evil acts as God’s will. you have a choice in this life as does everyone else, if you have a problem with that then your problem is with yourself.

        • 3 days ago
          Anonymous

          Are there things in this world that God thinks shouldn't be in it?

          • 3 days ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t think that God “thinks” at all. he simply is. it seems very clear that God can be displeased with wickedness and has sought to mend that on multiple occasions.

  12. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    >unnecessary
    source: my ass

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      So rape and torture are necessary? The omniscient, all powerful God can't conceive of a functional world with humans that doesn't have rape or torture in it?

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        He actually can but there’s a bevy of raping torturing fucktards that destroy His offering of grace and another portion of dipshits that defend them like yourself

        • 3 days ago
          Anonymous

          He created those raping torturing fucktards you idiot. He even created the concept of rape and gave it the things that would make it attractive to those fucktards. Hell, he didn't even make everyone intelligent enough to not be fucktards.

          • 3 days ago
            Anonymous

            He created people who make their own choices. there’s no predestination or predetermined behavior there’s only people who accept responsibility for their actions and mouth breathing cunts like you who would hide behind “he made me do it!” to justify their unrepentant homosexualry.

            • 3 days ago
              Anonymous

              And then offers them a fate worse than death for those choices. If he obviously wants people to do one thing, there is no point in creating people who would do another thanks to the circumstances he put them in, and offer them an ending that's beyond the worst atrocity any of them could have committed.
              >He made me do it
              Is perfectly reasonable when he created every fucking impulse in our species. This is like someone purposefully programming a murderous robot and then complaining when the fucking thing tells him it's just doing what it's designed to do.

              • 3 days ago
                Anonymous

                >He punishes the wicked!
                Yes
                >why doesn’t He just make me live a perfect life?
                and become an actual overbearing tyrant? huh that’s weird how you would want to become a mindless automata bending to every command received. why would an ultimate creator be so seemingly insecure as to deprive his elect creatures in discovering His truth and it’s grace themselves.
                it’s so strange how atheists will deny literal reality and their evident autonomy to explain away God. people aren’t robots and they never will be, regardless of how slavish they behave in ignorance to their true potential.

              • 3 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes
                Recycling memes doesn't make you a Chad. You're just a no argument having homosexual responding to an imaginary point because the rest BTFO you.
                >Let
                >Me
                >Just
                >Cut
                >Up
                >Everything
                >Into
                >One
                >Sentence
                >So
                >I
                >Don't
                >Look
                >Retarded
                You will anyway. Your only point otherwise is that he'll be an unbearable tyrant for letting everyone know what choice they're making. He's already an unbearable tyrant for creating people who will be eternally tortured for no real purpose. You can be a fully free and thinking human being without the ability to get erect at the thought of rape. You could be a fully free human being that cannot even comprehend the idea of torture because it doesn't exist in our universe. If your God can't even control the conditions of a world he created from the ground up, then he's such a supreme fucking fool I'd rather worship a schizophrenic than let a cosmic child with no fucking clue what he's doing decide my fate.

              • 3 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Your only point otherwise is that he'll be an unbearable tyrant for letting everyone know what choice they're making
                lmao yes if you know the cosmic consequences of the choices you make and you still make it you are a piece of shit.
                >He's already an unbearable tyrant for creating people who will be eternally tortured for no real purpose.
                you won’t be eternally tortured if you choose to not be a self-consuming retard and admit to your humility in the majesty of creation.
                >You can be a fully free and thinking human being without the ability to get erect at the thought of rape. You could be a fully free human being that cannot even comprehend the idea of torture because it doesn't exist in our universe.
                really? then make one and show me fucktard. I don’t give a fuck about what you can abstract in your silly 8 ball oracle. presuming that if you were God that you would produce a more perfect human nature is the height of retarded arrogance
                >If your God can't even control the conditions of a world he created from the ground up, then he's such a supreme fucking fool I'd rather worship a schizophrenic than let a cosmic child with no fucking clue what he's doing decide my fate.
                my God loves you so much that he will let you deny Him and honor that choice as you are an extension of His dearest sentiment. you can stamp your feet as much as you want but the fact is that you are responsible for the life you live. read the Brother’s Karamazov and the Book of Job

              • 3 days ago
                Anonymous

                >lmao yes
                >I'm not a tyrant, but if you speak freely I'm going to torture you in prison. I have to torture you so I'm not a tyrant, otherwise you wouldn't be free to choose
                Glad you agree.

                >you won’t be eternally tortured if you choose to not
                See above

                >really? then make one
                Funny how we've reached the "just be God" argument with Christians when confronted on how the things they say about God can't possibly be true all at once. If you can't handle the contradictory nature of this without acting like a catty dyke on her period, perhaps you should stop pushing it.

                >my God loves you so much
                He created me knowing full well he'd torture me eternally for reacting to things he created the way he knew I would. Honestly this isn't even that bad, to me the true sin of God is knowing for a fact I'd meet an insufferable homosexual like you during the course of my life, and still allowing me to be born. Truly criminal.

              • 3 days ago
                Anonymous

                >responding to my post four times
                fucking tourists man
                hell is only torture to those who covet God’s love. yeah man this life was given to you and it returns to that which gifted it, deal with it.
                if you’re going to claim another home brew mode of human nature and creation is within grasp of your intellect then go ahead and prove it - at the end of the day your headcanon sims game is just as delusional as the theists you mock.
                the only one who has to cope with the contradictory nature of reality is you. I fully accept my fundamental inadequacy in explaining the end goal of an ultimate creator’s plan. God’s knowledge of our actions doesn’t refute the fact that they are still meaningful to us or that freewill doesn’t exist.
                he created you to meet people like me because if you were actually some imperturbable obelisk of atheism you wouldn’t be here arguing with me. you have some small spark of faith within you which incites you to act on this insecurity, and I will be there to draw it out for all to see. I will win forever and always because you and your ilk will only ever exist in the shaded opulence of my civilization. all of your fruits of science and atheism and law and administration grew from my God’s kernel and seed, and once that collapses your deluded “truth” to reality will be lost forever. no more than a stain upon man’s quest for truth and light.

              • 3 days ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not a tourist, I'm just giving you what you deserve for arguing like a homosexual and cutting up your response. You made no arguments, just some bullshit about sims games, you can't even confront the most basic contradiction. A reality without the Christian God is not contradictory in any way. One with him comes with so many questions and arguments millions of people died over them during one war. I accept my fundamental worthlessness and inadequacy far better than you because I don't need fairy tales to tell me that I'm special and loved by the creator of all existence. You accept nothing of the sort when you believe you're a special little snowflake that's totally needed for the plan of the universe to work. God let me meet people like you because he doesn't exist, a homosexual like you saying his name would have been sent to hell immediately for sullying a divine existence with your absolute fucking idiocy if any such being even existed.

              • 3 days ago
                Anonymous

                >become a mindless automata
                does God live a perfect life?

              • 3 days ago
                Anonymous

                God is that He is

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                >people who would do another thanks to the circumstances he put them in
                Actually it's their own fault. The Lord said that whosoever seeks shall find, and to whoever knocks it is opened to them. So if someone hasn't been able to find the truth, it's because they never sought for it.

  13. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Because free will
    god makes it very clear in the book of job he's not interested in revealing why suffering exists, only that it is necessary to his grand design

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      >god makes it very clear in the book of job
      We're all God's jobbers. Our only purpose is to make him look good.

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      >necessary to his grand design
      omnipotence just took a dive.

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        >god makes it very clear in the book of job
        We're all God's jobbers. Our only purpose is to make him look good.

        omnipotence is a trait of the (greek) philosopher's God.

        In job the biblical God tells us he defeated and dominated the intrinsic chaos of creation as a fisherman would put a sea creature on a hook.

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      Whoever reaches Heaven has chosen God's will.
      So God didnt create an afterlife with no suffering, those people have already suffered being forged into saints, bending their will's to God's will, both on Earth and Purgatory.

      You missed the NT and letters.

  14. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Ok. But God created Heaven, an afterlife of eternal bliss with no suffering
    Going to "Heaven" just means being indirect communion with God, "in his arms" so to speak, you are physically in the same realm as him and experience his love for you. Heaven isn't a place like Walmart and Wendys are places. Heaven is an experience your soul gets.

  15. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    Heaven is perfect because God wouldn't allow sinners to live there not because the place itself is special.

  16. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    so far we have seen:
    + snarky copes with veiled insults thrown in
    + gaslighting attempts concerning what the christian concept of heaven is
    + extensively talking about something else.
    what we haven't seen:
    + honest attempts to tackle the question

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      the long and the short answer of OP’s question is that there is nothing that approximates our earthly experience of freewill with that of communion with God in heaven. so no, freewill does not exist in heaven

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        fine, but then why does it have to exist on earth? the usual defense against the problem of evil invokes the alleged necessity of free will.

        • 3 days ago
          Anonymous

          unless the atheist is willing to prove that freewill - as realized by the soul’s expression of God’s image - is not a quintessential factor in the divine design of actualized soul building, then the objection only amounts to agnosticism at best. and how can the atheist possibly prove such an assertion which exceeds the very standard he foists upon the Christian? I have to stress the absurdity of essentially stating, “well if I was God then this wouldn’t be the landscape”. yeah no shit.
          who is to say that if God wanted to maximize the amount of man who comes willingly to the kingdom of heaven then He would allow a world simply suffused with suffering as a byproduct of his own gift of freewill upon man?

  17. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    When will hiromoot make a religion board?

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      tLULZ is the religion board.

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        >>>/x/

  18. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    >>Ok. But God created Heaven, an afterlife of eternal bliss with no suffering
    Heaven is not a 5 star hotel.
    The eternal bliss is being able to rejoice in the love of God. The whole point of your stay on Earth is choosing whether you love God or not.

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      >God could have chosen to let everyone be exposed to his bliss regardless, and let them come to an informed conclusion
      >Decides to make them with things he doesn't like, and not let them know anything about the choice they're making let alone an informed decision on the outcome
      >Can't even let the people who do love him agree on what he's gonna do to them in heaven
      You're going to die and find gnashing teeth at the end of your road.

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        > and not let them know anything about the choice they're making
        Several books were written about it, actually. You can find them compiled in a neat little collection called the Bible And even before that he sent a myriad of prophets to explain it to people. You are free to listen to their teachings or to ignore them.

        • 3 days ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, several thousand. Each with different claims about everything. That's not informing anyone of everything. If I gave you a test, but told you to study 50 contradictory textbooks that are all just as easy to debunk, I'm not teaching you shit, I'm fucking with you for an excuse to fail you.

          • 3 days ago
            Anonymous

            uh no there's one Bible. There are many translations, to be fair, but most of them are not that that different, unless you sperg over a coma or something like that. Read KJV or NIV if the early modern English filters you.

            • 3 days ago
              Anonymous

              I'm talking about every religious book, but even then, the fact that your own isn't even agreed upon, just adds to my own argument. You can try to keep being obtuse, but it's pretty clear you've essentially conceded the point. Have a good day, be less of a homosexual because if your israelite God does exist, you should be scared of being burned forever for representing him like he's a genuine retard.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      No one said Heaven is a 5 star hotel

      It is an afterlife with no suffering that is obviously desirable

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        Why would eternity be desirable, seems like most would grow tired of existing after a while

        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. - 1 Corinthians 2:9

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            Why would anything be pleasurable if we are no longer biological creatures? Food feels good because it feels a basic need, sex feels good because of instincts, exercise/self worth feels good because of endorphines etc

            • 2 days ago
              Anonymous

              There is no good without the Lord, anon.

              "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
              For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever."
              - Deuteronomy 32:39-40

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                >There is no good without the Lord
                Empty platitude.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                You used the word good, but in order for that to be a concept you have to have a basis on which to be able to compare things and say that one thing is better than another.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                >being full is better than starving
                >being warm is better than being cold
                >being rested is better than being tired

  19. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    Let’s start from basics.

    Heaven is not a place where the ghost of you goes after you life ends

    God is omnipotent. Therefore he can do things that are incomprehensible to us and that break the laws of the cosmos.

    He is omniscient. He knows the entire history of time. He allows it to unfold even if there’s instances of suffering because he knows that the martyrs will be closer to him at the end of time.

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      Actually, the whole universe was created by a huge magical incomprehensible turtle 10 minutes ago. All your memories are fake and were implanted by this turtle when the world was created from its asshole, This has been revealed to me after I smoked some bath salts and now I am here to spread the message of the turtle love

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        It’s that cosmogony sustainable at a personal level and at a civilization level?

        It’s a nice argumentative trick. But you know you’re lying. You live in a materialistic framework in which all is relative and you are at the centre of existence a black hole if desire swallowing your life. Now, the real question is: how’s that working out for you?

        • 3 days ago
          Anonymous

          Works well for me, sorry that you have to literally brainwash yourself to feel content with life, but I guess it is better than feeling miserable.
          You are acting like a literal groomer by the way, hope you know that.

  20. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    but you could be deprived of
    freedom
    There is no freedom in heaven, but it cannot be deprived

  21. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Because now everyone has the knowledge and experience of sinfulness and evil, and therefore won’t want to go back to that. Adam didn’t have that knowledge. So while the first paradise (Gan Eden) was unstable, the second one (Davidic Kingdom) will be stable.

  22. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Why hasn't anyone solved something?
    Things can be established without absolute realization of their meanings, fossil fuels are great examples.

    But more than that, it would be impossible to solve something if the entity that you "solving" something to is biased.

  23. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    >What is 60, 70, 80 years of life with free will compared to an eternity with no free will?
    What makes you think we have free will?

  24. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    We arent living in paradise but un a battlefield of ideas
    What aré you going to listen and choose to believe Is why we aré here

    Why God allows this i dont know

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