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Why has this generation failed so badly at music compared to prior generation? Taylor Swift and Drake is really the best you can do? Seriously that would be like if boomers had nothing but Bread and Bobby Goldsboro.
Wait for the Zoomies. It gets worse
Millenicucks can only deflect
>Calls out zoomers instead of owning up to his generations reality
Ngmi
>The garbage shoved into your ears by the smol hats is really the best you can do?
The biggest names in the charts have usually been the lowest common denominator in musical tastes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1964
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1968
not always
>1964, '68
man I don't think you know how much simplified and dumber mass culture is now compared to then. it didn't start just since the late 2000s either it's been going on for some decades. have you picked up a book or magazine from the 60s? you would be floored at how much more literate and intelligent people were.
I don't know about that, but what I have noticed is a difference between how corporations interacted with the public between the 60s and today.
Corporations used to act like they were above their customers. They used proper, often eloquent English. They used fancy fonts. They had attractive people in their advertisements. They acted like they were a way for their customers to feel upper class.
Compare that to today. They speak very simply, often like children (pic very related). They use minimalist logos and fonts. They put ugly, often fat people in their ads. They bring themselves down to the level of the common folk.
yeah the gradual transition from Ok to Got It! on web prompts kind of irritated me but i can't articulate why. everything feels so cloying and patronizing now
Why is it when your computer crashes now you get a screen like. "Aw bummer, something went wrong and Windows has to restart. Sorry for any inconvenience. ;(" when you used to get a screen like "Page fault 0C in 203:CF002498. Windows will now restart."
Seriously do they think they're talking to a 9 year old?
because those error codes mean nothing to normalfags
>do they think they're talking to a 9 year old
they do, and the people coding this stuff also tend to be weird freaks with arrested development themselves
blame Apple for that when they started the idea of displaying a bomb symbol when the computer crashed
The underground of rock music was better than the mainstream back then too.
13th Floor Elevators were way better than the Beatles and Rolling Stones.
Since the first two posts were /b/-tier schizobabble, it's an interesting question but relatively easy to answer because Millenials started taking over the charts in the late 2000s which coincided with the worst economic recession in 30 years and the rise of Obama-era militant woke feminism.
What I'm saying is we never really had a chance to produce a Beatles or Nirvana, we had too many cultural and economic trends stacked against us.
sums it up
also worth mentioning is the internet atomizing culture and making it impossible for anything except the lowest corporate denominator making it to high visibility.
we still produce some great stuff, it just isn't making the right people money so it never gets any mainstream recognition.
>also worth mentioning is the internet atomizing culture and making it impossible for anything except the lowest corporate denominator making it to high visibility
I have no idea what any of this means, but...
>>also worth mentioning is the internet atomizing culture and making it impossible for anything except the lowest corporate denominator making it to high visibility
>I have no idea what any of this means, but...
Aaaand the point is made.
fucking /misc/ schizos, seriously. why do you guys imagine there was some Democrat war on masculinity in America? i've heard a bunch of you fags say this.
>why do you guys imagine there was some Democrat war on masculinity in America
well, i mean there kind of was. call a spade a spade but there was a real huge push of extreme feminism and trannyshit into mass culture over the last decade or so.
>call a spade a spade but there was a real huge push of extreme feminism and trannyshit into mass culture over the last decade or so
When do you think that trend will go away?
How do you know it will? I’m reading an etiquette book released this year and it includes pronoun etiquette. It hit me that maybe this isn’t some ridiculous phase we’ll look back on and laugh about. In 30 years pronouns will be something you just tell people, like your job and your name today. And those who don’t tell theirs will be viewed as making a political statement. I mean just 12 years ago we had a Democrat president that was anti-gay marriage.
>I’m reading an etiquette book
You have no right to complain about emasculation
rent free
Why can't anyone on this godforsaken board spell "millennial" correctly?
It's milenial
Because this is the dumbest board on the site. Also the youngest.
Yep, interesting trends to spot. We can see parallels with other strange times for the charts like the mid 70s.
Styles develop in close-knit social groups, not in vaguely familiar online communities. The older I get the more I consider the internet to be poison for the mind.
>you can't make good music if the economy is bad
You're a fucking cocksucking retard.
The late 70's malaise/stagflation era was significantly worse and produced punk, new wave, thrash metal and synthpop masterpieces that are still listened to today
Your excuse isn't just shitty, it highlights your massive failure even more because hard times usually stoke creativity but in millennials it sparked a whole lot of complete nothing
>These two cherry picked pop artists represent a whole generation.
You act like I couldn't do the same with a bunch of boomer artists.
The Archies? Captain and Tenille? The Osmonds? Kiss? Journey? Elvis' train wreck of a 60s career? Paul Anka? Dawn?
Do all these bands just not exist to you?
but, uh...when Paul Anka and Captain & Tenneill were a thing we had real rock groups and alternative music much of which was signed to and on major labels? imagine if you had nothing but Paul Anka and Captain & Tenneill, that was all there was of music except your local basement punk or whatever shows and then you'd have today.
>we had real rock groups
And 'real rock' is?
>signed to and on major labels
Plenty of good artists get signed to major labels still.
>imagine if you had nothing but Paul Anka and Captain & Tenneill, that was all there was
That's not the case then and that isn't the case now. Fuck if anything it's even easier to find shit beyond the top 40 thanks to streaming and downloads. Great bands are ALWAYS going to be buried by shitty pop acts regardless of time periods. Hell you didn't even SPECIFY pop in the OP. You're just saying all of it is bad as if you're actively ignoring everything that doesn't hit Billboard charts.
>Plenty of good artists get signed to major labels still.
No, they don't. There are only really 3 big labels left - Warners, Universal, and Sony. Everything else is a subsidiary of them, or "indy", and nobody is really signing much of anyone these days across the board. The big nostalgia acts like GnR and AC/DC don't have record labels, they don't need them, and a handful of small indie labels sign some of the legacy and current hard rock/metal acts.
There is a wasteland where new acts and labels are. Compared to the entire history of the music industry, this is probably the era with the least amount of signed acts, and new acts being signed.
>There are only really 3 big labels left - Warners, Universal, and Sony. Everything else is a subsidiary of them, or "indy", and nobody is really signing much of anyone these days across the board. The big nostalgia acts like GnR and AC/DC don't have record labels, they don't need them, and a handful of small indie labels sign some of the legacy and current hard rock/metal acts
I mean, it's not as if in the 50s all the good music didn't come out of indie and regional labels like Sun, Chess, and Speciality and the biggies like Columbia and Decca weren't in the business of selling you a Patti Page Sings Christmas album.
You still don't have a point. There's the least amount of new music and new acts being signed than any time in the history of the music industry, regardless if it's indy or not. Nobody is signing new acts.
lol
source? you just don't know any new bands
Sure I do. Dirty Honey. Who are doing well, and NOT playing the label game. Nobody would have heard of them if they relied on labels.
I know in the 90s that aside from Pantera there was almost nothing in major label metal bands, it was virtually all indie labels.
probably something to do with the way we consume music completely changing and the traditional industry collapsing and plunged into chaos during this generation’s teenage years
Millennials more or less killed rock with their twee indie crap
I wouldn't say that, it's more like the industry for various and sundry reasons purposely decided to promote those kind of bands and not anything that would constitute actual rock. Sure you might know some great local bands but they'll never get signed unless they have a girl singer and play jangle pop.
Twee started a full generation before milennials and that was in trying to copy music from the 1960s.
Twee was a Gen-X phenomenon, you dumb zoomie
It's both you soilord
How did they fail?
like really what if you Gen Z kid? what do you have to listen to if you're a normal teenage white guy? nobody's making music for you anymore.
>nobody's making music for you anymore.
I'm 25, and the majority of shit I listen to is pre-2010s.
Most of the music I recall zoomies listening to in high school were effeminate and gay acts like Beneath the Horizon and BOTDF, so I defaulted to listening to older music that wasn't made by demoralized twinks and millennials.
But even when it comes to just top 40 pop the quality of that vastly deteriorated over time. The 70s Billboards had tons of classic songs.
Top 40 was already declining in the 80s, in fact by that point albums were where most of the worthwhile music was. By the 90s it was getting really anemic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1976
There's at least 10-12 classics in the top 20 here. I agree by the Reagan years the Billboard got a lot duller.
Taylor Swift? Drake? Who cares what's on the charts? The best music of any generation almost never tops charts. Millennials have made timeless art. If you don't know it by now, you're just clueless.
They have, just a much lower amount than the previous two gens.
You can't change it
Mourn and reminisce all day
And there's only so many days
The second you're thinking about it
It's over, your entire life
And at your fingertips is everything from the 90s
Or any era, the classics
But you'd never start a band
You won't dress that way
The ads pop up but you won't live it
You can't do what peasants and serfs did with nothing
You should make amends with you
And try and make yourself
Inb4 Joos
If it really was any of these things
You'd not even have the decency
To know who you are and act
The part
You'd sooner cheer death
Than make yourself
Your getting banged out of it gach lá
Gan stad and you know what you do?
You point the finger and say:
The one who is railing me can't even get it up
Look at this parasite, I've figured it out
He needs a fluffer.
This is what you are resigned to.
No more questions
Nothing but trauma
You are getting railed but you see out
The corner of your eye,
Someone adding penny to the half pence
You being come to sense
What need you?
You could make a song any day of the week
But you are here for ever
And you will be
This is actually the peak of multiple forms of music. Black metal was invented, post rock, huge advances in electronic music encompassing dozens of genres. Dance punk, folk punk, twinkle Emo, noise rock hit it’s zenith and bedroom pop took off. The internet connected people in ways never before seen and music was readily available and cheap on all formats including new CDr’s. It was arguably the most creative generation in music history coming out of the 90’s but in the 2010’s (the Obama years) they decided to put an end to all of that. It was not an organic death in any sense — it was an active assault against these forms of music. Since the 50’s music was generally accepted into broader culture and even the pushback against hippies and heavy metal was small potatoes carried out by busy body house moms and parent teacher committees. You could see Anthrax play on married with children or the Beatles perform Late night variety shows. The problem in the minds of the people that killed art: it’s all too white, middle class, and suburban. Supposed tastemakers would rather push soulless garbage music and Simon Cowell tv shows and empty hip hop for a thousands years than listen to young people being honest or sensitive. Death from Above should of been featured on the cover of every magazine In America and in video games and movies. Records labels talent acquisition teams are filled with ideological retards who are trying to now convince you Woodstock 99’ and all musical acts associated with it are POC hating rapists because they touched a girls bra-strap in 2006. Despite these artists achieving triple platinum status in every music market on earth they’d rather promote the worst shit ever and they think pushing it out with industry money works. It doesn’t. A good ten years of this stifling bullshit and western music in general is in crisis. Why aren’t death grips the biggest band on earth? Why weren’t they invited to go on SNL?
>Black metal was invented
???
It was invented during the period of time OP posted, Weaklings masterpiece dead as dreams was released in 2000 as millennials came of age.
I agree with everything you said even though you said it like such a nagger.
>Records labels talent acquisition teams are filled with ideological retards who are trying to now convince you Woodstock 99’ and all musical acts associated with it are POC hating rapists because they touched a girls bra-strap in 2006. Despite these artists achieving triple platinum status in every music market on earth they’d rather promote the worst shit ever and they think pushing it out with industry money works. It doesn’t. A good ten years of this stifling bullshit and western music in general is in crisis.
Thanks for the factoid, Einstein. It's what I already said. Wokeshit especially radical feminism infected mass culture since the last decade and it was all manipulated by Obama and his crew from the top down. Kendrick, Phoebe Bridgers, Billie Eilish and other assorted bullshit is what they've tried to push on you even though none of those individuals have ever made a single piece of music worth listening to.
They didn't want hard rock because it represented white male machismo. Actually they didn't want black machismo either which is why rap became effeminized and pathetic. They only wanted softboy fake indie, faux "indie" girls like Phoebe, and mumble rap shit for landwhales who cut themselves.
they were pushing feminist stuff in the 90s. what do you guess riot grrl and the endless parade of (usually one hit wonder) female singer-songwriters was about?
Ok boomer, the 90’s were Childs play to this shit. They’ve been pushing it since the 20’s but in different and more meek forms. Riot Grrl wasn’t backed by Sony records who have links to the literal military industrial complex (through their electronics arms) and those girls mostly just wanted to have sex and grow out their pit hair. Now women hate sex and will rip your cock off for texting them wrong. It’s illegal to even show them on TV as having children — they’ve become such disgusting and vapid creatures it’s unreal.
>Riot Grrl wasn’t backed by Sony records
yes but there were pretty feminist artists releasing major label records like Alanis Morisette and Sarah McLachlan
They were but 90s feminism was different in a lot of ways. It was more like "Girls can be boys too" and play loud rock and things like that. Except it didn't work because girls obviously can't be boys and it was still promoting testosterone as the ideal. Nu feminism is more like "Instead of trying to make women into men, we should make men into women." By doing so then you don't force girls to be boys, they can stay feminine while men become castrated she-males who obey all of Disney and Pfizer's commands.
And then when Bush was president, feminism vanished from the radar and women in music were largely just trashy pop sluts who emulated Britney Spears, not Carrie Brownstein or Liz Phair.
>not Carrie Brownstein or Liz Phair
anyway they all willingly fucked male rock stars to get record deals or songs written for them. I mean, Kurt Cobain must have boned half the riot grrl scene.
>Wokeshit especially radical feminism infected mass culture since the last decade and it was all manipulated by Obama and his crew from the top down.
ok. i'll accept that theory yet he's not been president in half a decade.
Unfortunately his people didn't magically disappear on January 20, 2017 and also Trump made the significant mistake of not purging them from the Federal bureaucracy and instead he left them there to gang up on him. I really wish he'd cleaned them out, but he wasn't a politician and had no prior experience in public office so he didn't know to do that.
>they’d rather promote the worst shit ever and they think pushing it out with industry money works. It doesn’t
>Billie Eilish
>already a literallywho
>Olivia Rodrigo
>already a literallywho
Yup.
>Supposed tastemakers would rather push soulless garbage music and Simon Cowell tv shows and empty hip hop for a thousands years than
i mean it's not as if Hollywood is any better or that they wouldn't push empty CGI capeshit movies for a thousand years
Post rock was invented by Gen x you idiot.
Boomer generation: pimply faced kids get paid $50 each ($271 in today's money) to do bar gigs
Millenials: pimply faced kids still get paid $50 each to do bar gigs
Millenials don't have the luxury of being able to make a living from music and are forced to work for a living, unlike lazy privileged boomers.
>Boomer generation: pimply faced kids get paid $50 each ($271 in today's money) to do bar gigs
>Millenials: pimply faced kids still get paid $50 each to do bar gigs
Source?
Taylor Swift had some decent songs at the start of her carrer but everything she has released since 2012 or so is generic pop garbage.
Millennials aren't interested in music that much. They care more about anime, videogames and movies.
kek I remember the brief experiment in pushing fat acceptance when they had Meghan Trainor and Elle King
>fat acceptance
>experiment
You what? They fuckign won. We lost. It's over.
>inb4 >burgerland
In 2007 the World Health Organization reported that overweight people made up the majority of 88 nations.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071016062334/http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/worlds-fattest-countries-forbeslife-cx_ls_0208worldfat_2.html
Ironically fat was accepted long before the fat acceptance movement gained traction.
>caring about SI and other dying print media
Man it's 2022. There is a thing called Instagram where there are literally thousands of 10/10 girls in swimwear and lingerie.
did you ever imagine in 1989 that you looked at a SI calendar and you could chat with the girl live and ask them to strip for you and stick a pencil up their pooper? today you can do exactly that. so who needs silly old calendars and magazines in this century?
yet in the end you have to wonder how much feminazis really succeeded when women will willingly degrade themselves on Snapchat for men's attention
>men's attention
They want money, genius. It's economic.
fat girl pop has been a thing since the mid 00's
the lifespan of a millenial
>grow up in the 90's watching cartoon network
>go to college and get in a band
>graduate college, 2008 hits and you can't get a job at mcdonalds
>still hang around scenes as an elder burnout
>start a new band for the sole purpose of attracting underage girls
>get accused of rape, kill yourself and die
to be fair that only happens if you're in indie scenes that attract Tumblr-using females. if you were in a metal band you needn't worry about much. i mean, it's a specific type of female that tries to cancel someone.
This is literally what happened to me lol, but then my grandmother died and left me a fuckload of money. I’m getting married and BPD art hoes are on SUICIDE WATCH. Now I send like 3 emails a day for a living and can get my dick sucked anytime I want. We can all make it bros, just understand that art whores are fun to fuck but you need to be increasingly careful with them. You’re probably better off with a normie Starbucks bitch — so what if she doesn’t like the minuteman.
based inheritance NEET
living every man's dream
I didn’t know I was even in the will. I was cancelled and non-personed right before #metoo happened but it didn’t matter because underground music was way ahead of the curve in terms of woke shit. An ex of mine said I raped her because she willingly had sex with me even though my understanding was she wasn’t my girlfriend and hers was that she was. We even dated after that. Bitch was crazy on multiple levels and now I’m with a woman that would never do that but she’s crazy in other more manageable ways. The bitch is becoming my beautiful wife. Anyways, I could never of dreamed art in general would be so jeopardized by woke shit ruining all that’s good and fun in the world. Never, EVER say sorry for things you’re not sorry for Bro’s.
"liberal women" is just a polite way of saying low quality women that nature removes from the gene pool. ugly, bad personalities, incapable of being a wife and mother, resentful at those who are better looking and more appealing to Chad than them, that sort of thing.
I don’t disagree my nigga
nobody really likes or wants them except that the Democrat Party can use them as a weapon
No not really? Really politically active liberal women probably skew ugly cause they're angrier yeah, but I'd expect about a 50/50 split among attractive women politically because the most important variable is what your parents believe.
>Anyways, I could never of dreamed art in general would be so jeopardized by woke shit ruining all that’s good and fun in the world
we warned you about Obama back in 2008, we said not to elect him because of his beliefs and the people he hung out with. you could have stopped all this but we couldn't make any of you listen. when he talked about fundamental transformation of society it wasn't empty buzzwords.
As with most things wrong with the world today, the reason is 9/11.
It's the same problem with movies, TV, and gaming: total creative bankruptcy. Remakes and copying of previous styles is literally all they know how to do.
Yeah, we're pretty bad. Joanna Newsom and Julia Holter are the only good millennial artists.
kek they can't cancel Anthony Kiedis, Ted Nugent, Jimmy Page, and Gene Simmons for all the times 15 year old girls deep-throated them
I think their powers are eating thin after Johnny depp. We must salute our fallen heroes that fell in the great pussy wars of 2014-2022. DEUS VAULT.
millennials were the first generation to grow up with access to literally everything via the internet, and they never had the need or urge (that creative spark, which is precipitated by deficiency/scarcity) to invent anything major scale "new" (shitty micro/meme genres like vaporwave and everything-in-a-blender mashup trash like 100 gecs do not count, sorry)
also, an increasing focus on rhythm has ruined popular music, watered it down to a cold beat, which is why few contemporary hits can compete with anything pre-1990-ish. this has trickled down into minor genres and styles as well
the internet
the internet is the answer to every question of why something sucks these days compared to the past
its the internet dummy
i want to start making tshirts that say 'the internet is for losers'
until people break free of the internet the world will continue to perish
>Apologize.
Its always been this way retard. If you pick the most popular musicians of any generation they're gonna suck. Any talent has to be watered down for broad appeal.
people born in 1980 have absolutely nothing in common with people born in 1995. "generations" are totally arbitrary and just some lazy metric that american market research firms came up with to try and fine-tune advertising campaigns ~80 years ago. all intergenerational conflict is contrived bullshit. the ruling class encourages you to fight with your parents because it wants to disinherit you and make you economically vulnerable
>people born in 1980 have absolutely nothing in common with people born in 1995.
so generational divides are real, cool
to a certain extent maybe but definitely not in the way think tanks like Pew Research try to delineate them and i don't think using their arbitrary parameters to try and analyze all these different cultural currents has been very helpful
Most "zoomer" artists are millennials. People like Bladee, 100 gecs, Travis Scott etc are all millennial
Why do zoomers act like they can appropriate millenial culture? Sit down kid
Henson, Abasi, J.Cole, off the top of my head. Shut the fuck up.
Do you listen to rap, homosexual? Your boy Future is a millennial. All of the Migos are millennials. Trinidad James is a millennial. Your boy Tyler the Creator is a millennial, as is Earl sweat shirt. What the fuck are you smoking
Like yeah, MGK was born in 1990, he's a core Millenial not Gen Z at all. Fuck him though. The very fact that a song like Emo Girl was allowed to leave the building proves how much of a sad joke mainstream is now.
>Taylor Swift and Drake is really the best you can do?
>Nickelback and Puddle of Mudd is really the best you can do?
>Vanilla Ice and Spice Girls is really the best you can do?
>White Snake and Warrant is really the best you can do?
>Garry Glitter and Jimmy Buffett is really the best you can do?
>The Monkees and Tom Jones is really the best you can do?
>Tony Bennet and Pat Boone is really the best you can do?