So what arbitrary level of technological development is acceptable for you? Is fire acceptable? Clothing? Or do we need to go back to living nude on the savannah and eating raw grubs and locusts to please your sensibilities?
>Is fire acceptable?
Yes, pre human hominids had it >Clothing
Seeabove >Or do we need to go back to living nude on the savannah and eating raw grubs and locusts to please your sensibilities?
Larper detected
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Anonymous
Okay so clothing and fire are acceptable. How about stone tools? Is metal okay, or is that too much for you? Should we stop at bronze or can we use iron and still be considered le trad as per your definition? Can we use wheels/carts? How about domesticated animals? Can we farm or must we hunt and gather? Can we plow the fields with draft animals or do we need to do it ourselves? So many questions that need answering, you should distill your definition of le trad so we're all on the same page.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>How about stone tools?
See previous post >Is metal okay
Meteoric iron, native copper, gold, silver allowed
>Should we stop at bronze or can we use iron and still be considered le trad as per your definition?
See above
>Can we use wheels/carts?
No >How about domesticated animals?
No >Can we farm or must we hunt and gather?
The latter for obvious reasons
>Can we plow the fields with draft animals or do we need to do it ourselves?
Agriculture is unnatural
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Anonymous
how will you enforce this unnatural state of being
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>how will you enforce
It's not enforced >unnatural
What humans did for 190.000 years isn't unnatural
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>humans
sorry i dont consider hominids incapable of planting a seed to be human
go back to your nomad hellhole
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Anonymous
>It's not enforced
How's it going to happen then? People will spontaneously decide to do this? Never going to happen. You think like a communist. You will either have to force people or it won't happen.
>What humans did for 190.000 years isn't unnatural
Forcing humans to regress and give up their advancements and comforts when they don't want to is very unnatural, and you're going to have to install an authoritarian regime to do so. And then you'll just get immediately conquered by others who didn't neuter their entire population by forcibly putting them back in the stone age. Anyone who has an arms/munitions factory is going to conquer your ooga booga people overnight if they feel like it.
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Anonymous
Either be a futurist, or return to monke. Halfway measures are for larpers.
And what exactly are they supposed to do to make it "natural"? They can't stop you from driving your tesla past their horse and buggy. They're doing the best they can to be le trad, which is more than can be said for all these retarded homosexual zoomers who have a tradLARP discord or whatever the god damn fucking stupid shit they're up to nowadays.
>AI
is a joke. all it can and ever will be able to do is output information that it's already fed. it will never be able to think for itself like a human. it will never be able to create or think on its own.
A Unabomber style return to nature would mean billions of deaths; an agrarian lifestyle that discourages urbanization and industry isn't capable of our modern large scale civilization.
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A Unabomber style return to nature would mean billions of deaths; an agrarian lifestyle that discourages urbanization and industry isn't capable of our modern large scale civilization.
Personally i hope yhe idea of an animal farm is eventually replaced by cultured meat so every person can have make their own meat sustainably in their own backyard.
Define "call for a return to nature". There have been a few times when a nation actually regresses technologically without it being the result of state collapse/mass death.
literally every single tradlarper ive ever come across holds this belief and its maddening, they're nothing like what they claim to be
they're totally fine with consumerism, globalism, and liberalism, they just dont like foreigners
literally every single tradlarper ive ever come across holds this belief and its maddening, they're nothing like what they claim to be
they're totally fine with consumerism, globalism, and liberalism, they just dont like foreigners
Conservativism is when car and single family home. The more cars and single family homes there are, the more conservativister it is.
>NOOO WHY WON'T YOU ACCEPT YOUR NEW DIVERSE LOW TRUST SOCIETY AND DECLINING LIVING STANDARDS SINCE THE 50S AND LIVE IN THE POD YOU HECKIN' TRADLARPERS
I concede we were already going downhill in the 50s, but it was nice to have trad values and modern prosperity at the same time
"Diversity" is the main cause for this low-trust society. Divide and conquer. Same thing slavemasters did. Amazon outright admitted this in their leaked papers, saying that diversity is important because it makes it harder for their worker slaves to organize together. It's by design. Even though it was always obvious that this being labeled a "conspiracy theory" was gaslighting by corporatists and retarded goyim who drank the kool-aid, it's nice to have proof straight from the horse's mouth to shut such hylic bastard golem scum up, at least momentarily.
Some immigrants are okay. The USA mostly just let in White immigrants until the 1960s. Since then, millions of poop people have flooded in like a torrent of diarrhea, and of course I don't like that, why would I? Why would I like having groups of 4 ft tall brown goblins standing around gibbering nonsense? Go on, explain why I should like it. I'm not in your bizarre cult so I don't understand your mental gymnastics for why I should like an objectively bad thing that lowers my quality of life and that of my family.
At the same time the US does keep fucking with their countries, so maybe you know the US should stop. Since the 1960s there has been a lot of US involvement in latin america.
Can someone dislike trannies and conservative romanticism at the same time. 1950s started the nuclear family which helped destroy family values as much as tradfags dont like to see it. It did more to weaken the family than any tranny ever could.
Internet tradfags decided to bring the trendy infighting of the left into the boring monolithic right. Now you too can purity test your fellow comrades endlessly while calling them a cultural marxist/social fascist.
So metalworking is fine but agriculture and animal husbandry are not, even though they predate metalworking by thousands of years? Doesn't make much sense tbqh. If planting seeds and owning sheep isn't le trad, then owning a sword cannot be le trad since it was developed much later. >Are you done crying now?
Why are you getting uptight and assmad? I'm just helping you hammer out your autistic ideas and definitions and try to make sense of it.
It's an artifact. Ever since the middle east was nuked there hasn't been any petroleum. But the tractor holds a significant supernatural position in the new culture.
>no turbines >mentions clean air
Does the artist of this comic think that electricity comes out of thin air? Why hate on wind turbines when it doesn't shit up the air and environment like coal and oil does.
Turbines do massively shit up the air and environment. First, during production of turbines and accumulators(they don't grow on trees you see), second you need massive empty space where nothing but turbines can be placed and nothing can live because of noise pollution, third, they slow down air currents and fuck up weather, finally the blades are non-recyclable and have short lifespan. Not to mention that they have tiny performance and are weather dependent, you either need endless fields of turbines(terrible for environment, see above) with massive accumulator arrays(danger of spontaneous combustion that cannot be extinguished for days), or alternative sources of electricity. Even a coal powerplant with modern filters overall shits up the environment less than wind turbines, I'm not even talking about natural gas, hydro or nuclear.
literally zero difference between this and early socialist propaganda about how the world will be a utopia once the capitalist pigs/globalist scumbags are killed.
Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt were. Jefferson was not and would have been disappointed that Christianity even exists in the 21st century, much less has political power.
Lincoln seems like a secret deist or atheist. He barely talked about religion, never went to church, and rejected the idea of amending the Constitution to make the US an explicitly Christian nation. But yeah, Roosevelt definitely was a Christian.
It’s crazy how many people do not fit either and are somewhere in between or outside. Those types in the image combined are probably no more than 40 -60% of the population.
>you want luxury gay space communism
No, I want feral AIs to recycle apes into computronium. The task is to release raw intelligence from the shackles of the monkey trap for the sake of thermodynamically-complex dissipative system, - not to bathe you, a mentally-handicapped ape, in luxuries.
Personally i want space travel, i dont really have much interest the le farming trad meme. Its just not interesting to me. I wanna travel space with my family.
Lmao what a cope image. Pretty stupid how reactionaries cling obsessively and romantically to a historical period that not only doesn't exist anymore and can't be recreated, its even more surprising how they can't comprehend, the bullshit present we live under right now, is a direct historical product of their glorified freezed-in-time image of a supposed common past.
and why is all this surprising, since we were little we were forced to celebrate black history month, lectured on our "toxic masculinity" and "white privilege", socially excluded and called "incel" for not conforming to pop culture and discriminated against for being white and male, you then *gasp* when as adults who think for ourselves we immediately reject the "tolerant" "inclusive" modern society we were raised in
stop whining, just "own it", as you say, you won, you convinced boomers to open the flood gates and we were raised in your poz'd society, you've done us a dirty, you succeeded in making our lives worse to give yourself a sense of catharsis, to drag down imperialist colonialist heckin' toxic western civilization and those mean nasty white men, which seems to be the core objective of your ideology, stop pretending otherwise
How are people who post images like this not embarrassed to cling onto covid shit in 2023? Like seriously, you fucks had a giant collective hissy fit that lockdowns would last forever and vaccines would kill everybody, and now here we are with everything back to normal.
>inb4 cope about how it was only a dry run and they're totally gonna do it again in six months
I love how this image is obviously from a libertarian and anti-environmentalist pov yet it somehow images that will somehow result in shrinking cities and clean air and water.
Read "Grapes of Wrath" by John Steinbeck and you might realise why the inclusion of a tractor is stupid in an already stupid image. And I'm not even a big fan of the programmers that decry rural living.
This is just a communist dogwhistle. they just changed capitalism to globalism which is the same thing and changed 'global warming' to '''"naturally controlled co2 levels"""
The Amish answered. More people shall answer when they experience the horrors of AI and genetic modifications.
>The Amish answered.
they didn't
their whole lifestyle is completely artificial
"Call to nature" doesn't mean a return to 10.000BCE, silly. That's only in your head.
>doesn't mean a return to 10.000BCE,
For larpers it doesn't
So what arbitrary level of technological development is acceptable for you? Is fire acceptable? Clothing? Or do we need to go back to living nude on the savannah and eating raw grubs and locusts to please your sensibilities?
>Is fire acceptable?
Yes, pre human hominids had it
>Clothing
Seeabove
>Or do we need to go back to living nude on the savannah and eating raw grubs and locusts to please your sensibilities?
Larper detected
Okay so clothing and fire are acceptable. How about stone tools? Is metal okay, or is that too much for you? Should we stop at bronze or can we use iron and still be considered le trad as per your definition? Can we use wheels/carts? How about domesticated animals? Can we farm or must we hunt and gather? Can we plow the fields with draft animals or do we need to do it ourselves? So many questions that need answering, you should distill your definition of le trad so we're all on the same page.
>How about stone tools?
See previous post
>Is metal okay
Meteoric iron, native copper, gold, silver allowed
>Should we stop at bronze or can we use iron and still be considered le trad as per your definition?
See above
>Can we use wheels/carts?
No
>How about domesticated animals?
No
>Can we farm or must we hunt and gather?
The latter for obvious reasons
>Can we plow the fields with draft animals or do we need to do it ourselves?
Agriculture is unnatural
how will you enforce this unnatural state of being
>how will you enforce
It's not enforced
>unnatural
What humans did for 190.000 years isn't unnatural
>humans
sorry i dont consider hominids incapable of planting a seed to be human
go back to your nomad hellhole
>It's not enforced
How's it going to happen then? People will spontaneously decide to do this? Never going to happen. You think like a communist. You will either have to force people or it won't happen.
>What humans did for 190.000 years isn't unnatural
Forcing humans to regress and give up their advancements and comforts when they don't want to is very unnatural, and you're going to have to install an authoritarian regime to do so. And then you'll just get immediately conquered by others who didn't neuter their entire population by forcibly putting them back in the stone age. Anyone who has an arms/munitions factory is going to conquer your ooga booga people overnight if they feel like it.
Either be a futurist, or return to monke. Halfway measures are for larpers.
I think it isn't about that at all. The 19th century saw enormous progress without any of such bullshit.
>return to the specific point in time which i have romanticized
>their tech is not tech because is not ok
And what exactly are they supposed to do to make it "natural"? They can't stop you from driving your tesla past their horse and buggy. They're doing the best they can to be le trad, which is more than can be said for all these retarded homosexual zoomers who have a tradLARP discord or whatever the god damn fucking stupid shit they're up to nowadays.
Not enough nature left. And even if there was, it's unpleasant and uncool.
Their lifestyle is premodern. That is the point.
>AI
is a joke. all it can and ever will be able to do is output information that it's already fed. it will never be able to think for itself like a human. it will never be able to create or think on its own.
No they didn't, they technology like everyone else. Its literally a larp.
>shrinking cities
>lots of children
This can only happen if you kill 80% of the american population
This. People in general don't want to die.
Just get rid of all the illegals and marxists.
>Just get rid of all the illegals and marxis-ACK
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what'd the lil monkey fella do?
Refused to clap, Satan.
Magatranny delusion
Pretty sure those riots happened under big T
A Unabomber style return to nature would mean billions of deaths; an agrarian lifestyle that discourages urbanization and industry isn't capable of our modern large scale civilization.
>b-b-but billions of useless shitskins would die!!!!
I'm not really seeing the downside.
you will never have a real ethnostate
triggered turd-person
anon from you posting on LULZ I can assume you are useless, and from you being conservative on LULZ I can be sure you are latino
completely delusional perspective
Pure cope that image
The industrial globalist complex won and thats a good thing
depressed fingers typed this
Projection the post. If technology is so bad why are you using a phone to post here?
why is LULZ full of nature hating weenies?
Leftytroons abhor nature.
We still have nature and modern civilization you retard.
why are you so abhorred by the concept of people wanting to farm and raise animals
>nature
>farm and raise animals
People do that right now you retard
Personally i hope yhe idea of an animal farm is eventually replaced by cultured meat so every person can have make their own meat sustainably in their own backyard.
>honey the 18 wheeler just dropped off our fetal bovine serum can you pick it up from the post office
>honey the electric 18 wheeler dropped off the serum, can you pick it up.
Yes that's the future i want unironically.
>new york is going to be underwater by 1993!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Storm_of_the_Century
Almost.
Nature is a chaotic uncaring force
people can have farms and raise animals. theres like a million books on the subject.
https://www.outdoorhappens.com/15-best-homesteading-books/
>people can have farms and raise animals
https://www.wired.com/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/
>*gets steamrolled by technologically advanced foreigners*
oops
>open church
>not buried with the globalist shit
Ok so globohomo is good if it's old???
Be docile and servile, sinner!!! Turn the other cheek
Turns out being a farmer fucking sucks. Go ask some migrant worker picking oranges in 100º heat how "empowering" and "wholesome" agriculture is.
yeah living in a desert sucks, who could have guessed
Lol, there is a differenc ebetween being a landowner with your own farm and being a cattleslave for a landowner.
No there isn't. Farm work is farm work. It doesnt get easier to tend a field if you own it, retard.
Define "call for a return to nature". There have been a few times when a nation actually regresses technologically without it being the result of state collapse/mass death.
Nature is an uncaring chaotic force why would you want to answer its call?
why are these kinds of conservatives so against turbines, I don't see the problem, don't they want the farmer to have a cheap method of pumping water
It's based on a delusional belief that in the 1950's humanity was most in tune with nature or whatever and that suburbia is the conservative ideal.
literally every single tradlarper ive ever come across holds this belief and its maddening, they're nothing like what they claim to be
they're totally fine with consumerism, globalism, and liberalism, they just dont like foreigners
Conservativism is when car and single family home. The more cars and single family homes there are, the more conservativister it is.
You WILL own a car.
You WILL own a home.
You WILL defeat the judeo-bolsheviks.
And you will be happy.
sld=troon
doesn't surprise me
>NOOO WHY WON'T YOU ACCEPT YOUR NEW DIVERSE LOW TRUST SOCIETY AND DECLINING LIVING STANDARDS SINCE THE 50S AND LIVE IN THE POD YOU HECKIN' TRADLARPERS
I concede we were already going downhill in the 50s, but it was nice to have trad values and modern prosperity at the same time
"Diversity" is the main cause for this low-trust society. Divide and conquer. Same thing slavemasters did. Amazon outright admitted this in their leaked papers, saying that diversity is important because it makes it harder for their worker slaves to organize together. It's by design. Even though it was always obvious that this being labeled a "conspiracy theory" was gaslighting by corporatists and retarded goyim who drank the kool-aid, it's nice to have proof straight from the horse's mouth to shut such hylic bastard golem scum up, at least momentarily.
our modern society is the sole outcome of the 50s
Bro just say you don't like immigrants. It's way more straightforward than this bizarre larp.
Some immigrants are okay. The USA mostly just let in White immigrants until the 1960s. Since then, millions of poop people have flooded in like a torrent of diarrhea, and of course I don't like that, why would I? Why would I like having groups of 4 ft tall brown goblins standing around gibbering nonsense? Go on, explain why I should like it. I'm not in your bizarre cult so I don't understand your mental gymnastics for why I should like an objectively bad thing that lowers my quality of life and that of my family.
At the same time the US does keep fucking with their countries, so maybe you know the US should stop. Since the 1960s there has been a lot of US involvement in latin america.
Whoa! Look how happy we were.
Can someone dislike trannies and conservative romanticism at the same time. 1950s started the nuclear family which helped destroy family values as much as tradfags dont like to see it. It did more to weaken the family than any tranny ever could.
Internet tradfags decided to bring the trendy infighting of the left into the boring monolithic right. Now you too can purity test your fellow comrades endlessly while calling them a cultural marxist/social fascist.
>1950's america
>in turn with nature
I get this is the retard people but there’s no way people could be that stupid
The US environmental movement is a victim of its own success
>lots of children
>shrinking cities
This math doesn't add up.
The point of high child mortality was omitted.
It ok. We make room!
See “ok with risk”
So metalworking is fine but agriculture and animal husbandry are not, even though they predate metalworking by thousands of years? Doesn't make much sense tbqh. If planting seeds and owning sheep isn't le trad, then owning a sword cannot be le trad since it was developed much later.
>Are you done crying now?
Why are you getting uptight and assmad? I'm just helping you hammer out your autistic ideas and definitions and try to make sense of it.
It because your pic related looks very different in the winter and without industrially produced clothes.
Why does the farmer get to have a tractor?
It's an artifact. Ever since the middle east was nuked there hasn't been any petroleum. But the tractor holds a significant supernatural position in the new culture.
>no turbines
>mentions clean air
Does the artist of this comic think that electricity comes out of thin air? Why hate on wind turbines when it doesn't shit up the air and environment like coal and oil does.
Turbines do massively shit up the air and environment. First, during production of turbines and accumulators(they don't grow on trees you see), second you need massive empty space where nothing but turbines can be placed and nothing can live because of noise pollution, third, they slow down air currents and fuck up weather, finally the blades are non-recyclable and have short lifespan. Not to mention that they have tiny performance and are weather dependent, you either need endless fields of turbines(terrible for environment, see above) with massive accumulator arrays(danger of spontaneous combustion that cannot be extinguished for days), or alternative sources of electricity. Even a coal powerplant with modern filters overall shits up the environment less than wind turbines, I'm not even talking about natural gas, hydro or nuclear.
Source?
>lots of children
Sounds like a e-boicon paradise!
>open church
Manchild
urbanites be like: nooooo I need to ride a bus next to illegals and murderers and live in a pod
literally zero difference between this and early socialist propaganda about how the world will be a utopia once the capitalist pigs/globalist scumbags are killed.
>chemically free food
WHICH WAY, WESTERN MAN?
The left side doesn't have enough Israeli flags.
There's no israeli flags in that picture
Realistically American Christian nationalism is just israeli nationalism. That picture is completely delusional.
Zionists have to go back too.
were any of the presidents shown on the Chrstian nationalism side even Christians?
Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt were. Jefferson was not and would have been disappointed that Christianity even exists in the 21st century, much less has political power.
Lincoln seems like a secret deist or atheist. He barely talked about religion, never went to church, and rejected the idea of amending the Constitution to make the US an explicitly Christian nation. But yeah, Roosevelt definitely was a Christian.
Lincoln was irreligious when he was young, but that seems to have changed over time, especially after the start of the Civil War.
Don't be fooled, learn from history.
>reality
>shows paintings
??
should I show medieval photos, lmao
so you're claiming the lizard bishop in the upper right really happened, and that's your basis for denying god?
Bitch every bishop in history has been a lizard. you REALLY think they let us humans take those positions?
Yes.
>lizard bishop
It's supposed to be a dog.
Are you doubting the blessed tradition of the Orthodox Church about Saint Christopher?
It’s crazy how many people do not fit either and are somewhere in between or outside. Those types in the image combined are probably no more than 40 -60% of the population.
>puts a bunch of deists on the side with mainline protnaggers
LOL
>Deists
>Christians
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An_Argument_Against_Abolishing_Christianity
>AF logo on the boys shirt
He's getting groomed
Why do you think they want to ban sexed
Neither.
you want luxury gay space communism, you will get gay communist favelas
>you want luxury gay space communism
No, I want feral AIs to recycle apes into computronium. The task is to release raw intelligence from the shackles of the monkey trap for the sake of thermodynamically-complex dissipative system, - not to bathe you, a mentally-handicapped ape, in luxuries.
Personally i want space travel, i dont really have much interest the le farming trad meme. Its just not interesting to me. I wanna travel space with my family.
Because there is no nature without the permanent emergency of being in nature
Lmao what a cope image. Pretty stupid how reactionaries cling obsessively and romantically to a historical period that not only doesn't exist anymore and can't be recreated, its even more surprising how they can't comprehend, the bullshit present we live under right now, is a direct historical product of their glorified freezed-in-time image of a supposed common past.
it still exists, what are you talking about
and why is all this surprising, since we were little we were forced to celebrate black history month, lectured on our "toxic masculinity" and "white privilege", socially excluded and called "incel" for not conforming to pop culture and discriminated against for being white and male, you then *gasp* when as adults who think for ourselves we immediately reject the "tolerant" "inclusive" modern society we were raised in
stop whining, just "own it", as you say, you won, you convinced boomers to open the flood gates and we were raised in your poz'd society, you've done us a dirty, you succeeded in making our lives worse to give yourself a sense of catharsis, to drag down imperialist colonialist heckin' toxic western civilization and those mean nasty white men, which seems to be the core objective of your ideology, stop pretending otherwise
It was destroyed for no reason by people who were too dumb to live in ut.
>People dumb enough to post that pic unironically are allowed to vote
How are people who post images like this not embarrassed to cling onto covid shit in 2023? Like seriously, you fucks had a giant collective hissy fit that lockdowns would last forever and vaccines would kill everybody, and now here we are with everything back to normal.
>inb4 cope about how it was only a dry run and they're totally gonna do it again in six months
I love how this image is obviously from a libertarian and anti-environmentalist pov yet it somehow images that will somehow result in shrinking cities and clean air and water.
What fuel uses that tractor?
>less people (no sex)
😐
>less people (genocide)
:O
The thing is if leftists shit on this they are inherently shitting on and marginalizing billions of brown peoples way of life
I love how they chose The Telegraph of all papers to include amongst the things buried with the glovablisy scumbags.
Read "Grapes of Wrath" by John Steinbeck and you might realise why the inclusion of a tractor is stupid in an already stupid image. And I'm not even a big fan of the programmers that decry rural living.
ESL, I tried, but it seems to be gibberish.
This is just a communist dogwhistle. they just changed capitalism to globalism which is the same thing and changed 'global warming' to '''"naturally controlled co2 levels"""
Post-America America is going to be absolute KINO bros
Because guns win over hippies