why don't christians believe?

why don't christians believe?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because it is dumb and gay. It starts with a "Just trust me bro" from Joseph Smith and then it's his wack biblical fanfic about the Americas.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >It starts with a "Just trust me bro" from Joseph Smith
      No, it starts with the written declaration of 11 witnesses who all affirmed to their dying day to have seen the plates. And it ends with a challenge to discover the truth for yourself:

      "And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things." (Moroni 10:4-5)

      If you had any spiritual integrity you would read the Book of Mormon with an open mind, pray about it, and accept the answer that God gives you. But you won't.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        None of them physically saw the plates they claimed to have seen them with "spiritual eyes"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >In regards to my testimony to the visitation of the angel, who declared to us three witnesses that the Book of Mormon is true, I have this to say: Of course we were in the spirit when we had the view, for no man can behold the face of an angel, except in a spiritual view, but we were in the body also, and everything was as natural to us, as it is at any time. - David Whitmer

          >Accosted on the street by a group of challenging teenagers of Clarkston, the intense nonagenarian [Martin Harris] countered with the question of whether the group could see a nearby chopping block. Upon their ascent, he replied, "Well, just as plain as you see that chopping block, I saw the plates; and sooner than I would deny it I would lay my head upon that chopping block and let you chop it off"

          >I wrote with my own pen the entire Book of Mormon (save a few pages) as it fell from the lips of the Prophet, as he translated it by the gift and power of God, by means of the Urim and Thummim, or ass it is called by that book, Holy Interpreters. I beheld with my eyes, and handled with my hands, the gold plates from which it was translated. I also beheld the Interpreters. That book is true - Oliver Cowdery

          Did the 8 witnesses touch the plates with spiritual hands?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >It starts with a "Just trust me bro" from Joseph Smith
            No, it starts with the written declaration of 11 witnesses who all affirmed to their dying day to have seen the plates. And it ends with a challenge to discover the truth for yourself:

            "And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things." (Moroni 10:4-5)

            If you had any spiritual integrity you would read the Book of Mormon with an open mind, pray about it, and accept the answer that God gives you. But you won't.

            >Joseph Smith: gets convicted of fraud for telling people he had magic stones that allowed him read a secret map leading to buried indian treasure
            >...a few years later...
            >Joseph Smith: starts a religion claiming he had magic stones that allowed him to read secret tablets which were buried like treasure
            Bro.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >If you had any spiritual integrity you would read the Book of Mormon with an open mind, pray about it, and accept the answer that God gives you
        Yeah man just pray really hard to get the right answer (which conveniently is that it's true) and ignore the mountains of bullshit surrounding this fake-ass religion. Enjoy wearing your dumbass chef's hat and green apron playing your goofy little games in the temple and paying for the privilege. One day, if you get a job that pays well enough for you to be called to a ward or stake leadership position, and you slave away for free for a couple decades, the general authorities might decide to let you into their second annointing club and release you from the need to obey any moral standards or commandments in this life, just like they have been.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          seethe

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Your excuses won't save you from the fire. Read the book, pray, accept the answer. Unless you don't believe that God can answer prayers, or unless you are afraid of what you might find out, there is no reason for you to not do this.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Your excuses won't save you from the fire
            Hell doesn't exist in Mormonism, albeit. I'll just be spending my time on the neutral planet filled with other Catholics having a gay old time eating Mexican, Colombian, and Italian food for eternity. Oh no!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Repent, or suffer with the other neckbeards in hell

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >catholic
            >neckbeard
            You have a whole array of insults at your disposal. Papist, Romanist, pedo, altar boy, foot kisser, and you went with one reserved for atheists.

            Pathetic

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You can call yourself a catholic all you want, but trying to score points by pretending that you want to be in hell is a total lift from the edgy atheist playbook

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If I die and your religion is correct, I'll be in another planet. That was the joke

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, you childishly misunderstand the religion you are attempting to insult, just like cringy, internet atheists do. That was the joke

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No culture white Islam follower. A twisted mockery of a movement of a twisted mockery

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            ARE THE FIRES METAPHORICAL

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        My bad
        >"Just trust us bro"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          If you don't care about witnesses, then why bring it up as an issue? That aside, you don't need to trust Joseph Smith, the witnesses, me, or anybody else. All you need to trust is God.
          Read the Book of Mormon, pray about it, and accept the answer.

          Not OP btw

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I've read your damn book. I was raised LDS. The book of Mormon is dogshit and I have not experienced any divine attraction to it's teachings.

            Do not talk to me about spiritual integrity you charlatan. My views are no-doubt flawed, but I have put more thought into my beliefs than you ever will. Stay within your bubble and listen to this false-god of your own creation. It makes no difference in my world. I believe you won't be punished for your ignorance after this life.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you’re blinded by your hatred of yourself.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I've talked to some missionaries for over a month now, read throigh 3rd Nephi and a few select D&C sections. The main hesitation I have is because they defined grace not as sufficient alone, but sufficient because it makes up difference. And that difference is through covenants to God. That and this attitude that Christ is crucified afresh the LDS put the cross to shame.
    The book does a good job at attracting Protestants who believe their respective theologies but once you get to the context it is unrecognizable. Beautiful and nice people though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Do we need to go through this again?
      The BoM, just like everything else about the Mormon faith, is a load of bunk designed to swindle laymen into giving the church their money. There's no depth to it, no great theological insights or truths, just a lot of "dude trust me" from completely untrustworthy people like Joseph Smith (dude, an angel with a flaming sword forced me to marry those 14 year old girls, I didn't want to do it, promise!) and perpetuated by a cabal of general authorities who have profited very handsomely from continuing the grift (look up Ensign Peak Holdings).

      Don't waste your time. Ask them if they know what "second annointing" is next time, or what they think about their tithing going into a $126 billion investment fund used to buy shopping malls.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        if you can believe in a sky wizard, you can believe in any story

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Some missionaries are dumb.

      Source: was a missionary. Grace is sufficient. The thing is you have to actively receive that free gift of grace by exercising faith. Think women who touched the hem of Jesus’ garments. She was forced into grace but took the free gift. I would highly recommend Brad Wilcox speech about Mormons view of grace. It’s called”grace is sufficient or some shit” but if those missionaries are telling you grace is not sufficient they need to study more

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    On the other hand, do Mormons actually care about the Bible, or do they just pay it lip service to convert normal mainline Christians with the tagline of "we're Christians too bro!"?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They use it as scripture along with the BoM and the writings of their prophets, but cherry pick it or misread it to support their wacky doctrine, without actually understanding anything about Christ or the church He founded.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I’m Mormon and care deeply about the Bible. It’s first in their canon.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    T. Ex Mormon from Utah. On Facebook I see that all my Mormon classmates are now in their early 30s happy with their 4th kid (continuing the white race). All my non Mormon classmates are either fat spinsters, or divorced single mothers, or still in the dating stage, one started dating a mtf troony, and a couple an heroed. Let me clarify, not all Mormons on my Facebook are doing great, but the general trend is that out of the ones doing great, all are Mormon. And I can't name a single non Mormon doing well. So I say, who cares if Joseph Smith was a scammer? By their fruits ye shall know them

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is the thing that fricks me up the most. The NT also says that us being sinners doesnt prove that God was wrong, and also that if grace is good we should not sin more so that grace may abound. In spite of the NT being very clear about it, grace is abused anyways and we are left with a totally destroyed, unhappy church body. The groups that believe in their works are goaded into purity and worldly happiness, but do they even believe in God's grace at that point? Why does it seem like people are not capable of making a morally upright community unless they are given "bad" doctrine? Are people just that hopeless?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Life's a lot easier when you don't have to choose your own path, and have a giant support system to help you on it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Mormons have one of the strongest support networks out there but it's not really exclusive to them since other churches have it too. If you're religiously apathetic and just want the benefits of being a member you can do worse than Mormonism though.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >benefits

        Tithe? Hello?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Join the Knights of Columbus (Catholic order). Plenty of valuable contacts you can make there.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      100% can confirm same thing in my end accept I’m one of the happy Mormons

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The religion is pure horseshit and the church is corrupt but I can't help but feel that things would be better if everyone were a Mormon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why?

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i'm sure this cult had a legit spiritual message and joseph smith's need to frick all of the wives of his congregation was by divine reasonings unlike those other cults where the leaders fricked everyone else's wives to sate their own base carnal pleasures.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    whats goin on brah

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      YOOOOO INTI WHAT YOU DOING HERE.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    whats happenin

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    le hand holding in white garments in private/restricted rooms of church? i just want to see all the church's rooms in a loving religion 🙁

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >believing in religion founded by a well know grifter

    Imagine being such low IQ.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    le handshakes from the veil and tongue speaks

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      mind you these videos are from a hidden camera. No uninitiated allowed okay!

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the most devout religious males tend to be gay because the religion has things in that only appeal to gays(Such as a sky daddy and a naked guy dying on a cross in a homoerotic way)

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Lol the lost tribe were found fool. They're Ethiopians. You are just a larper. Some of the Mormon ideas are cool for a fantasy setting however so thanks for Dragon Lance.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    most mormons know mormonism is bullshit but they believe in it anyway(as if they are larping) because it gives them purpose

    i think this is the case with most religious people

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bro it reads like well written fan fiction. Plus the whole "injuns are israelites actually" shit has been long put into question by so,ientific fax.
    I like the one part of the book I read anyway.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >"injuns are israelites actually"
      Don't forget he claimed he could read hieroglyphics with his magic rocks. The early Mormons collected as many examples of such as they could and Smith claimed one of the most common ones was the story of Abraham and Isaac. After the Rosetta Stone (although not magical like Joe-Joe's rocks but surely amazing in it's own right) was discovered the plates Smith claimed to have translated turned out to be a common burial ritual.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    simple, i haven't read it

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Mountain Meadows Massacre

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't the original book get burnt by some dude who ponies up the money to print its wife, and the Smith did a "you aren't getting those translations back here's ones for different plates so the text will be different"

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Found out recently, Mormons actually baptize living people in the name of dead people.

    It's why they now have alot of genealogy records. So it is possible they've baptized a dead member of you're family. Iirc idea is to give those who are dead but may have converted in the after life a baptism.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >he unironically believes Smith's bullshit
    Pic related

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ahem.

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