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Why does psychedelics makes people believe that there’s something more “out there”

Why does psychedelics makes people believe that there’s something more “out there”
Science and drugs general I guess.

  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't just make you "believe", dude, it actually expands your conscience so you're starting to see what's not there and, like, understand how things really work.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This but unironically and /thread

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based. Too bad most entities won't see past ego games and socially reinforced bias.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Can you explain the ego games?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Survival is diametrically opposed to truth. Reality is a field in which everything can be extracted from it. We are all fragments of God more or less subconsciously imagining itself outside of time and space, but God isn't external to "what is". We are it. Nothingness is infinite potentialities, and awareness is self-realized within those dualities based on divine intuition.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ealmost everyone I have ever met who's done psycadellics parrots some derivation of this phrase

      >except for my oldest brother when he told me about his DMT experience "I literally met god"
      I had a good laugh with the lad over that

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Temporarily reverses the materialism-induced atrophy in your brain so you can see the obvious.

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Been thinking about this a lot. Also really curious about the similarities between doing things like DMT and people having near death experiences, been seeing some parallels. Namely,

    >entity comes to pick them up to head into the next plane
    >time no longer makes sense
    >thoughts communicated telepathically and not through language
    >meeting god(s)
    >reflection on traumas

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >entity comes to pick them up to head into the next plane
      Hallucination
      >time no longer makes sense
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6543123/
      Thoughts communicated telepathically and not through language
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_insertion#:~:text=Thought%20insertion%20is%20defined%20by,been%20inserted%20into%20one's%20mind.&text=Thought%20insertion%20is%20a%20common,disorders%20and%20other%20medical%20conditions.
      And
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_broadcasting
      >meeting gods
      See 1
      >reflection on traumas
      Random stuff comes up during hallucinations. Some may be related to emotional memories

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bump

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    My experience is that psychedelics remove barriers in your brain and cause you to "realize" things that may or may not be true. It does seem incredibly obvious at the time but then when you sober up and think about it rationally, you can't quite convince yourself.

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know when you dream and you think everything that's happening, no matter how absurd it is, is totally real ?
    I think it's a similar thing, you lose your ability to critically think about what you're experiencing so if you see or feel a weird entity or you're exploring another world it's simply the real thing.
    If you're inclined to the paranormal you just keep believing in it even when not on drugs because it felt so real.

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    it is literally an emotional disorder related an inability to perceive & experience wonder
    people are using harsh chemicals in order to produce a childlike sense of wonder
    there are milder ways of doing this, but drugs are going to work for some people
    in fact, most people will be better off experimenting with walking & solitude & breathing
    if you can mentally shut off guilt & embarrassment feelings using tricks that may help

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if you can mentally shut off guilt & embarrassment feelings using tricks that may help
      Care to elaborate anon?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      [...]
      >literal NPCs

      kys retard if you cannot find true beauty by just taking a walk in nature and seeing how much bigger and wondrous life and reality is then you're the npc

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >literal NPC continues to misunderstand

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >can see sounds and smell abstract ideas on shrooms
      >when they are at 10% intensity (before things become inexpressible)
      >dude just take a walk for the same kind of thing

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it makes you feel ineffable things. Try to describe the color green to someone who is blind from birth. You'll find it to be utterly impossible.

    Similarly, people who take psychedelics experience something far more profound that is just as ineffable.

    Now, there is no reason to think what they experienced is representative of "true reality", BUT the mere fact that a human brain is capable of having such experiences is enough to be impressed and sent down a philosophical rabbit hole

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    on the one hand i find it interesting what kind of effects these drugs have on the brain but on the other i have the strange suspicion that in the future psychedelics are going to be used to essentially control the population by therapists and universities so on. you would think that this type of "liberating" drug would have the opposite effect but so far the biggest push for legalization is for mental disorder/PTSD treatment. and the state of the brain in a drugged condition is extremely malleable. it will be used to condition people to be content with current modes of life wherein they would otherwise become catatonic. is this unreasonable to believe?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it will be used to condition people to be content with current modes of life wherein they would otherwise become catatonic
      >is this unreasonable to believe?
      What you're suggesting is perfectly in line with the methods and aims of the mental health industry, however, the types of suggestions that psychedelics make the mind most amenable to, are out of line with cynical materialism.

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    As a ex-abuser and STEM fag, I personally think that the brain has some kind of pattern and data stored since birth which relates to experiencing reality. Due to the effects of the drugs these built in patters get shaken up, they receive weird info and connect to places they were not quite meant to connect to leaving to changed pathways.
    People who experience this tend to think this is opening their third eye and shit. I think its most comparable to the difference between how you processed reality as a child and how you process it now. Not that they mature you or something, just that the feeling has some similarities, but much more rapid

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    If drugs can change my perception of reality, then how the fuck do we know if what we normally perceive as reality is really reality? Our brain is still operating off of chemicals either way.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      They do not change your perception of reality, idiot. Everything is the same, you're just hallucinating.

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is a surface of all possible experience. Your experience is delineated by a circle on that surface. Most people think their circle is all of reality. Psychedelics create a break in the edge of the circle that forces you to reconcile that there is a universe outside your perceptual circle. That's my experience anyways.

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well think about it... The strongest psychedelic which often changes people's view on reality is almost entirely non-visual (bufo alvarius venom)... So firstly I would disregard visual aspects, it is clearly the alteration in headspace that is doing what you say.

    Now, a drug in itself cannot think. And this is important because it also has to be realized firstly that the "drug" is not itself thinking certain thought patterns, the mind is. The reason that's important is that it is then of course hypothetically plausible that these exact same states are possible to achieve sober, and are just another element of your mind which exists whether you take drugs or not, or ever experience such a thing or not.

    Because the alteration that matters is in headspace, is subjective, and not actually "thought up" by the drug but rather the mind, it's not possible to say which view of reality is accurate.

    If nothing about consensus reality changes at all, and no element of science changes at all, just a philosophical position, it can't then be said that it is in any less valid.

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    All the answers above are bullshit. The specific effect you're describing is "novelty enhancement". Psychedelics dial up the feeling of novelty in the same way that a drug can dial up the intensity of any other mental processes like pleasure, fear, paranoia, love, etc. The feeling of something being novel is not something we normally think of as being affected by our mental state, but rather as an attribute of whatever it is we find interesting or not. Try writing down anything you think it's profound while high and 9/10 when you're sober it'll be the most mundane crap. Psychedelics have been a midwit trap any time after the 70s.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You've never had a serious trip probably... You don't know what your mind is capable of... The level of fear and panic on a bad 5-MeO-DMT trip is worse than literal death. I feel that when I die for real, it will be less frightening than the ordeals I have been through on DMT. It is not just the same shit but "novel" at all... One trip with 5-MeO and you will understand the entirety of the Upinashads. This shit does not occur to people naturally.

      I'm a logical person. There is something to these compounds. They aren't transporting you to other realms but they start killing off certain brain processes which have evolved over millions of years to funnel you into strict beliefs that benefit your survival... Theoretically there's no limit we could ever discern in the field of mind, ours is limited by brain structure. But the possibilities of what could be experienced by mind given another structure in general is unfathomable...

      Think of Darwinian evolution, think about the arbitrary nature of qualia (why should the way the external world appears only be understood by sight?), think about what traits are passed down through all these years... It is anti-survival to not have a sense of self and other, that is why ego death in particular is so profound as it is probably the most fundamental element evolved into the mind of any living creature.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >than the ordeals I have been through on DMT
        post some trip stories fren
        t. too scared to do anything other than the occasional weed
        >One trip with 5-MeO and you will understand the entirety of the Upinashads.
        quoi?

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Atheists who use psychedelics don't have spiritual experiences on them, and don't report having changed from being atheists as a result of their experiences on psychedelics.
    If you harbor some magical thinking-- if you sometimes wish upon a star, or throw pennies into fountains, or say a little prayer and buy a lottery ticket, then you might encounter spirits and have mystical adventures in psychedelics. But if all of that is nonsense that just doesn't routinely occur to you at all, then you'll have an interesting time thinking thoughts and maybe experiencing different kinds of hallucinations. But it won't be much different from watching a really impactful and fascinating, though disjointed and plotless movie in your head.

  16. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fucks with your pattern recognition, leading to new perceived patterns, or patterns that didn't exist within the initial paradigm.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      *couldn't exist

  17. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was watching The Incredibles 2 while tripping on LSD and it was fucking crazy. It felt like there was no difference between me and the characters, and every emotion they felt was my emotion. If psychedelics ever become legal I have a business idea to create a psychedelic movie theater

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's awesome haha. If you had enough starting capital, you could probably start testing the idea in small ways in Oregon. Tightly regulate how much each person is given, as a show of integrity. Might have to worry about fed raids tho.

  18. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was put on ketamine twice while in the hospital. Everything that happens to you seems and feels real, even more real than real (like 4k picture looks better than reality). And then there is intuitive knowledge that just appears in your head, you know things, but not in the same way as you know that sky is blue, for example.
    So it makes very easy to believe in things for those who already want to believe and look for this shit in their lives. To me it was just a fun experience while also being a huge pain relief.

  19. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    because the experiences you make transcend and break all categories that your mind had built up through the course of your life.***

    *** given that you take a lot (in my case 6g of cubensis)

  20. 9 months ago
    Jesus

    try and find out.

  21. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >humans crave meaning
    >take substance that connects a bunch of parts of your brains
    >experience emotions that don't even really have terms
    >see that the line between reality and hallucinations is mostly arbitrary
    >can help reset your brain to a fresh state
    you get what can be considered a religious experience and your brains in a fresher/looser/more openminded state - how else would you expect people to rationalize it?

  22. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It makes you question scientific realism since what you observe with a sober mind is still just in your head. What a sober healthy mind can observe is curated by evolution. We can only observe things that were relevant to the survival of the species.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah exactly. People lol at insights like this because they associate it with pot or random acid trips. People who discuss nonduality who were brought to it by experience and not choice, have done HARD psychedelics like bufo or DMT in big doses.

  23. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    What happened to the Nootropics? Was there simply nothing to those drugs? Just another 90s fad that came and went?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      They were "drugs" for people too scared to use drugs. AKA homeopathy and placebo tier BS...

      Phenibut works but is an actual drug essentially, and can cause fatal withdrawals like benzos and alcohol. Acts similar to those substances and GHB.

  24. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Types of people who participate in these discussions:
    >people who dismiss psychedelics because they have some emotional hangups wrt. drug usage
    >people who took 2 grams of shrooms that one time, and think they understand what the experience is all about
    >people who took more than they should have, and think the resulting delusions and brainfarts have taught them something about reality
    >people who took more than they should have, and think the resulting delusions and brainfarts refute the psychedelic experience
    I guess it's just not for everyone...

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      based frog licker

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      What else is there? What are YOUR thoughts in the subject?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not that anon, but I grew up in a household where religion/spirituality/whatever wasn't ever emphasized if barely spoken about at all.
        Balls deep in a psychology degree and hoping to become a clinical psych. I took DMT under a controlled environment where there was a Peruvian 'shaman'(?) overlooking it.

        Anyway, I uh, don't know what to tell you anon but after that experience.. fuck man it's really hard to not be able to express these things in this field or STEM fields - because I tried to onetime, and holy fuck, the absolutely dogmatic attitudes I began perceive, like science was a religion in itself. Now I'm stuck in the middle of thinking both mainstream and organized religion is dumb shit and the "if science can't prove it then it's pseudoscience" approach is just as retarded.

        It turns out, people care less about knowledge and understanding truth then they care about social status, filling a role, fitting in, and adhering to the status quo just so they aren't outsiders. Now I'm looking back on my life, wondering what the fuck have I missed because I also applied this approach for sometime, albeit unconsciously or subconsciously I suppose.

        If you're going to DMT or any psychedelic substance with the impression "haha i cant wait to see how bullshit it is" or some kind of smart aleck atittude - prepare your fucking anus because that's exactly what I did and WHATEVER it was that I "met" during the trip, gave me the fucking lecture of a lifetime.. and that's an understatement.

        Things are far more complicated then breaking shit down into fractions and theoritical approach anon.. The TruF iS oUt TheRe AnoN

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          This post is peak mid wit. Seriously you can't even argue your first point let alone make a sequitur.

          Am I to believe you're above the age of 18 and have had an existential crisis before?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't give a shit what you believe lol

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Great to see you have a nice developed world view whilst blasting others for not having one!

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Akchtually if you scroll up a little bit, and see the post I was responding to, the question was
                >What are YOUR thoughts in the subject?

                if my THOUGHTS offended you, then maybe you shouldn't be in whatever the fuck it is that you do in science, because you're not gonna make it.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >If you're going to DMT or any psychedelic substance with the impression "haha i cant wait to see how bullshit it is"
          The scientific dogmas around this are incredibly foolish. There are infinite numbers of physical realms, civilizations and universes, we can be incarnated in many horrific experiences if we keep deluding ourselves within the optimization of survival for restricted belief systems and lifeforms. The point of survival is always more survival, but this doesn't go anywhere nor is it the end goal of existence at all. Science is not bad, since it helps us having some not too random baseline of dream where we can make sense of reality, but it's only useful up to the point it backfires in attachments.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        What you make of what you see, is a function of what you understand. If you take too much -- you see too much, and there's nothing useful to make out of it. Somewhere between banality and delusion, there's a space worth exploring; you will pass through it repeatedly as you swing back and forth, and you need to learn to recognize that space, so you could slow down a little and turn on your mental dictaphone. If you do it right, you will end up with experiences amenable to sober reflection, you will end up with new connections, you will end up with inspiration, you will end up with new avenues for artistic or intellectual exploration; if you let it all cook properly, you may end up with new understanding, so that you could make more of what you see next time. I also think the path from experiencing something that you don't understand, to understanding an experience at face value, passes through intermediate understanding via metaphors and symbolism; that is to say, you shouldn't dismiss outlandish experiences as meaningless, but you shouldn't take them at face value, either, until you understand them.

  25. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why does psychedelics makes people believe that there’s something more “out there”
    >Science and drugs general I guess.
    Psychosis. This only happens to people susceptible to that.

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