Why does non-tumblr witchcraft never get discussed?

Why does non-tumblr witchcraft never get discussed?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tumblr-witchcraft was pushed by the government to make real paganism look cringe and suppress it.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why does non-tumblr witchcraft never get discussed?
    discuss away OP, no one is stopping you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a discussion if I'm the only one talking about it on my level. That's a lecture and I ain't getting paid to give a lecture.

      That said, has anyone read this? I enjoyed her other books but haven't picked this one up yet.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I remember some documentary about witchcraft and paganism on europe, it was some italian title but cant really remember it, it was pretty great talking about its history and practices

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It may have been Carlo Ginzburg talking about the bernandanti and strigeria. He did a massive amount of research on witch trials and got access to the Vatican archives. Moonlight and Spirit Flight is a fascinating read on the nature of the Sabbat and some of the lore surrounding it. I think he wrote that one.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The name does ring a bell but it was from all over europe, the old religions on italy, pagan and druids in england and so on even some in norway or a nordic country unless what you are talking about that too and i'm just misreading it
            Thanks for the recomendation anon i will look that book up when i'm bored

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He, to the best of my knowledge, was the first one to propose that the Sabbat was visited in dreams and had a whole mountain of reports to support it. The Unguentum Sabbati or flying ointment has enough scopolamine in it to send you off somewhere for hours, maybe days.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So your Tumblr has a paywall?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Conversation is free, lessons are freely available elsewhere.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's just that I never met anyone who was knowledgable and passionate about a certain topic who didn't love to lecture about it just for the slim chance of an fresh mind maybe having something worthwhile to add. Especially on a topic that tradionally is passed on mouth to mouth.

      • 3 weeks ago
        The Ape of

        Are you high or new? I've been discussing the innermost secrets of transhistorical witchcraft and the writings of the Cultus Sabbati over in /omg/ for years now.

        I have not but I tend to like Gemma. I know folks who interact with her group.

          • 3 weeks ago
            The Ape of

            Valid, tbqh.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              On that note, there's more or less a minimum intelligence to practice the craft, isn't there? I've never personally met a witch who wasn't clever or cunning in her own right. Even the flaky ones were astute or just...not dumb. The Elect seem to self select for it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                The Ape of

                I think that's the case, honestly. Uh I have an extremely private group of a couple dozen folks I communicate with who are practicing Chumbley's materials, and literally every single one of us lives in the "30 listeners" part of Spotify and stans an extremely small group of continental philosophers: Bataille, Merleau-Ponty, Levinas, etc.

                I really hate to get on an IQ wank because I think it's like, objectively bullshit, but it really seems like the block up to the first SD will automatically self select out of it, they either think it's edgelord bullshit because they've gatekept themselves or are legit too dumb to understand. The praxis doesn't really have space for midwits.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It does seem to be the case. I'm personally not very concerned with the raw numbers but more about the selection process and identifying potential Elect. It's part of the process and one that goes neglected. Those made of clay lack what it takes, even the more brilliant ones are dumb as a rock when it comes to a good Mystery, give them the Most Overrated Story Ever told and it's like jangling keys for a baby.

                I have been wondering whether the abreactions to the craft you always hear about come from the profane playing with fire. Uninitiated getting too close without the right credentials. I don't think all of them are bullshit and propaganda.

              • 3 weeks ago
                The Ape of

                >It's part of the process and one that goes neglected
                I think there are a lot of reasons for this and in the particular case of the Cultus I think it's down to 1) they're very private and 2) they're sorta dropping the ball. The number of cells has decreased. Their output has decreased. I think that part of the strategy of Xoanon is to get these materials out there and the folks capable of working it will not only be drawn out, but also be drawn in communication with each other. Hence the aforementioned two dozen practitioners I'm talking to. We're probably the largest cell of Sabbatic Crafters outside the Cultus, and in some cases may even be larger than the Cultus, though we're duly initiated brethren in the most formal ritual sense, outside the common initiations of dream, or autonomous initiation via a text.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            By 5th grade you are expected to add your own reasoning to the material presented to you - than it's open to discussion. Why should anybody argue with an audiobook. But that pretty much explains the lack of it mentioned in the opening post. I hope you find someone providing what you aren't willing to do because you stopped at age 10

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Glad you enjoy her books but do realise she is piggybacking on the minutiae of pre-existing Celtic superstitions that vary from county to county

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would fuck the brains out of elvira even now as an old slag
      Thinking about it maybe she would suck the life out of me she probably has the experience

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In a similar vein as , apply the principle of "Ask, Seek, Knock" and search out for those who have the resources, knowledge and experience to reward your curiousity. Those folks who can amd are willing to share abide by that same principle, likely along with "thou shalt not cast pearls before swine."

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Videos on basic magick 101 shit:

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because tumblr witchcraft is the only witchcraft

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Very interesting book and one of my favorites.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Non meme witchcraft is something that you're born into and not really something you join up by buying a bunch of magic books from Barnes and Noble and then collecting candles and crystals. Majority of the old Pellar families are not really saying much since they always maintain the belief that the rest of humanity is just one bad afternoon away from going all 1600s witch burnings all over again.

    Just leave em be. They don't give a fuck when random suburban women buy pewter pentagrams and talk about "energy" anyway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The families don't even tell their own families what they do. There's an inner circle within the clan, that's no secret.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The energy talk is always amusing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      The Ape of

      The idea that old tradcraft is limited to Pellar families is...certainly an idea...but the convolution of Pellars and Witches has done an obscene disservice to the scholarship of witchcraft in general.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >scholarship of witchcraft

        lmao

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a hot field. Mostly trying to prove that the inquisition was evil or that it didn't exist at all. The old court records disproves some of that and not all confessions were acquired under torture. Then there's all the witnesses.

          • 3 weeks ago
            The Ape of

            >Mostly trying to prove that the inquisition was evil or that it didn't exist at all.
            ~t. hasn't bothered to read Wilby or Henningsen

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I was speaking of the old scholarship before it was taken so seriously thanks in part to feminism.

              I get the sense that a lot of crafters are aligning around the Cultus materials in whole or in part. My distant kin are doing a serious review of Spare and trying to shore up their pylons. A lot of the old material is being reviewed and reconsidered.

              • 3 weeks ago
                The Ape of

                >A lot of the old material is being reviewed and reconsidered
                I mean that's exactly what Chumbley did. Take a system that predated "Wicca" or various forms of contemporary witchcraft, which was then filtered through those contemporary systems, then added the missing "bleeding edge" scholarship, or relevant bits from cousin traditions like Thelema, from the late 70's through the aughts. This gives what's arguably one of the more holistically complete systems of Western estoerica, like, period, because there's a throughline from the 1850s through today that routes from rural tradesman societies through high magic lodges.

                Oh and as I mentioned in /omg/, "Being and Non Being in the work of Austin Osman Spare" from Atramentous is shipping, so if you have the cash pop over and grab a copy, I'm sure it's going to sell the fuck out sooner rather than later.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ian comments on his work that “I think the volume itself will situate Spare within a new way of understanding "tradition" that includes thinkers like Nietzsche, Heidegger, Bataille, Merleau-Ponty, Lacan, John of the Cross, etc. without extracting him from the occult and artistic tradition(s) that call him their own.
                >Nietzsche, Heidegger, Bataille, Merleau-Ponty, Lacan, John of the Cross
                I'd say you wrote this if I didn't know better. I need another tall book in my short bookshelf like I need another hole in my head.

              • 3 weeks ago
                The Ape of

                Fucking I know dude that's why I preordered. I was like "well fuck me this is all the things I could every want from an analysis of Spare".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can't keep buying all these NFTs, I mean it, I'm out of room. You think I can afford a new bookshelf? Just conjure one out of thin air? I mean probably but I just downsized.

              • 3 weeks ago
                The Ape of

                I see you got that Conjoined Creation Holy Books, the proper Coming Forth by Day that's not fucked up by Wasserman and Gunther, Paratrishika, Vijnanabhairava, the Abhidhamma, etc., all very based, are those because of our recommendations through the years in /omg/, or were you already a poster of immaculate samarasa?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bit of both, half of it I bought or acquired on my own and the rest was recs that were affordable and about to go out of print for another 30 years. I've done my part making up a good chunk of shitposts over the years.

        • 3 weeks ago
          The Ape of

          U can chuckle about it but if you have a significant scholarly challenge to Cohn, or Pocs, or Wilby, or Ginzburg, or Henningsen, or Whitehead, or Carrington, or any of the other really heavy hitters then you've got a fast track to a rockstar career of sitting on your ass and failing undergrads between discipline-shattering publications.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We're not into proselytizing!!

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because for overwhelming majority of humanity, no matter how much they claim to be open to things or how they are interested or dedicated, still freak the fuck out the second they see something that is even a hint of supernatural. Down to just being in the room with a chair that moves an inch on it's own. Or a shadow in a room move around a little.

    Then despite whatever they think they believe, they transform right back into terrified normal folk and scream about demons and usually go right back to whatever church they quit years earlier.

    People are just plain hard coded into thinking that anything slightly off is evil demons satan and freak out. Even when they initiate into a situation where they know for a fact something supernatural is going to happen and genuinely want to experience something supernatural. They turn into Puritans every time.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is now a YHWH thread,

    Repent your sins and don't lose hope. The hell cesspool is by choice and not a must.

    • 3 weeks ago
      The Ape of

      If Hell is a personal choice of the sinner, then why did God create Vessels of Wrath as a lesson to the Elect as per Romans 9:22? Why did he harden Pharoh's heart to Moses as per Exodus 9:12?

      Seems like God has predetermined which of his creations are destined for the trashcan in his sovereign will, which which case who am I rebel against God's decreed will that I am to be a vessel of wrath?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32004149/#32004149

        When you have digested what's in this, then we talk.

        • 3 weeks ago
          The Ape of

          Do not speak to me of the Old Magic, Christian, for I was there when it was written:

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            then if you know, why should you question the Lord ?

            • 3 weeks ago
              The Ape of

              I don't, nor could I even if I wanted, which is exactly why I practice the most blasphemous witchcraft imaginable.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Here's your >>

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's still the same thing, witchcraft for hos to feel like they're special.

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