The internet wasn't fast
The old internet is fast when you are accessing it with modern connection speeds, you would be waiting 10 minutes for that page to load
>open yahoo.jp >From Wednesday, April 6, 2022, Yahoo! JAPAN is no longer available in the EEA and the United Kingdom
I miss when the Internet was open.
https://i.imgur.com/v12wPrr.png
Why does japan not care about https?
Newfag here. I understand that that website only lawyer that quickly to him because older less complex websites require a lot less resources due to basically non-existent blow. I have gigabit internet and "modern" sites load significantly slower than older websites. LULZ in particular loads essentially at the speed of light compared to other social media sites.
Is this the fault of everyone wanting everything to look pretty? Fundamentally, Fortune browsing isn't THAT much different from a place like Instagram if you ignore the fact that there is no algorithm and that there are no accounts to create or follow. The catalog here is analogous to the "for you page" on tiktok to some extent. Different boards are different subreddits. Threads and posts within them are like tweets. We even have pseudo accounts thanks to LULZ passes and trip codes.
So why the fuck does this site not take forever to load but other sites do? Not only that but they perform terribly even on a decent device or computer rig with literally nothing else
Sites like LULZ use traditional rendering. You send a request, LULZ sends you an entire webpage that has all elements already rendered inside that file. With modern web development you load a javascript environment and it inserts all HTML elements line by line, asynchronously making a lot of small requests and deducing what exactly to insert based on the response.
Modern modern web dev already figured out this practice is bad so we go back to the server-side rendering, so we have shit like SvelteKit, NextJS and Nuxt that try to emulate what LULZ-like website do but with javascript. Pajeets still manage to fuck that up entirely and it gets even slower.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
We need 3d website rendering.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah because ultimately SSR still has some client-side shit mixed in because they don't want to spend precious server bills on first load so they use the same server to serve you JSON (fetched from DB) in another trip and have you render it again
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it's not a bad practice but some people do it badly, in practice, because they refuse to let go of some elements of traditional ssr
a spa will be lightning fast once you have the scripts in cache, compared to ssr websites with similar complexity
>The old internet is fast when you are accessing it with modern connection speeds, you would be waiting 10 minutes for that page to load
Exactly! Instead of leveraging the improved internet speed by improving "UX" without bloating websites, we should put the entire website into a 300mb javascript app, and force users to download the entire thing, even if they want to just view a single page on our site.
>open yahoo.jp >From Wednesday, April 6, 2022, Yahoo! JAPAN is no longer available in the EEA and the United Kingdom
I miss when the Internet was open.
>self-signed certificates?
They're the computer equivalent of holding up a piece of paper with "I sweer I'm honnest and inteilgnet" scrawled on it in crayon. Seriously, they're effectively no use at all (unless you put in a really large amount of work) because anyone can assert any old damn thing.
First and foremost a certificate prevents a MitM attack. The credibility is only important when you ask whether the owner of the certificate shared his secrets with everyone else, bringing the possibility of MitM attack back.
And then we have cloudflare, which basically undoes all of that and MitMs your connection.
Google and other companies care THOUGH. They will break it on purpose. They will show a huge red banner that your website is a potential nazi hideout so YOU have you waste your time and go get THEIR SSL certs so people don't have to get scared and avoid your website.
That's the point if you haven't figured it out, dorks. Things get broken on purpose so "coders" and potentially YOU keep their jobs.
https makes load sites slower because, unlike http, pages can't be cached anywhere on the network infrastructure.
or smth like that.
point is https is not really needed for blogs or news pages.
This isn't strange. 16% of high schoolers in Japan use desktop computers and another 30% use laptops. Thats 46% computer usage for high school students. In the US and other developed countries, its ~98%. Another study had 50% of Japanese households have computers but they never use it or usage is extremely limited. Hardly anyone use computers on daily basis in Japan. China for example has ~90% computer usage at home. A country that's ~1/3 as rich as Japan, but a vastly more computer using kids in the society.
high trust society = low security
came here to act like a retard and say this too.
so everyone knows, the joke is that people outside USA can access the website, so it doesn't matter what the nips do
it's still 1995 in japan, SSL/TLS hasn't been invented yet, please be patient
Japs are too arrogant to use it
.nl is Netherlands you dork
it is a jap though. probably got a cheap domain. twitch is not a tuvalu company etc etc etc
Yes but it is a funny acronym in japanese so nips use it too
Actually it stands for Nipponland.
Japan cannot into interwebs they are 2 decades behind everyone else.
yes they're in desperate need of rounded corners and dark themes. lets change that.
>open yahoo.jp
>loads in a fraction of a fraction of a millisecond
I miss when internet was fast.
The internet wasn't fast
The old internet is fast when you are accessing it with modern connection speeds, you would be waiting 10 minutes for that page to load
Newfag here. I understand that that website only lawyer that quickly to him because older less complex websites require a lot less resources due to basically non-existent blow. I have gigabit internet and "modern" sites load significantly slower than older websites. LULZ in particular loads essentially at the speed of light compared to other social media sites.
Is this the fault of everyone wanting everything to look pretty? Fundamentally, Fortune browsing isn't THAT much different from a place like Instagram if you ignore the fact that there is no algorithm and that there are no accounts to create or follow. The catalog here is analogous to the "for you page" on tiktok to some extent. Different boards are different subreddits. Threads and posts within them are like tweets. We even have pseudo accounts thanks to LULZ passes and trip codes.
So why the fuck does this site not take forever to load but other sites do? Not only that but they perform terribly even on a decent device or computer rig with literally nothing else
Sites like LULZ use traditional rendering. You send a request, LULZ sends you an entire webpage that has all elements already rendered inside that file. With modern web development you load a javascript environment and it inserts all HTML elements line by line, asynchronously making a lot of small requests and deducing what exactly to insert based on the response.
Modern modern web dev already figured out this practice is bad so we go back to the server-side rendering, so we have shit like SvelteKit, NextJS and Nuxt that try to emulate what LULZ-like website do but with javascript. Pajeets still manage to fuck that up entirely and it gets even slower.
We need 3d website rendering.
yeah because ultimately SSR still has some client-side shit mixed in because they don't want to spend precious server bills on first load so they use the same server to serve you JSON (fetched from DB) in another trip and have you render it again
it's not a bad practice but some people do it badly, in practice, because they refuse to let go of some elements of traditional ssr
a spa will be lightning fast once you have the scripts in cache, compared to ssr websites with similar complexity
>The old internet is fast when you are accessing it with modern connection speeds, you would be waiting 10 minutes for that page to load
Exactly! Instead of leveraging the improved internet speed by improving "UX" without bloating websites, we should put the entire website into a 300mb javascript app, and force users to download the entire thing, even if they want to just view a single page on our site.
>open yahoo.jp
>From Wednesday, April 6, 2022, Yahoo! JAPAN is no longer available in the EEA and the United Kingdom
I miss when the Internet was open.
Imagine being a britbong
fucking waaaat
It was the eu who cucked itself out of a global internet
Amazing
>virtually no cookies
>virtually no tracking
>not available in the EU
grim
easier and more strategic to center internet without censoring everything. they learn from china, who also uses http on read only sites
Because hacking is disonoraburu.
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Reminder Japan has never fully recovered from the economic collapse from the early 90s.
As long as you aren’t buying something or accessing personal info who cares?
will they embrace self-signed certificates? or is japan not about that type of life
>self-signed certificates?
They're the computer equivalent of holding up a piece of paper with "I sweer I'm honnest and inteilgnet" scrawled on it in crayon. Seriously, they're effectively no use at all (unless you put in a really large amount of work) because anyone can assert any old damn thing.
First and foremost a certificate prevents a MitM attack. The credibility is only important when you ask whether the owner of the certificate shared his secrets with everyone else, bringing the possibility of MitM attack back.
And then we have cloudflare, which basically undoes all of that and MitMs your connection.
Google and other companies care THOUGH. They will break it on purpose. They will show a huge red banner that your website is a potential nazi hideout so YOU have you waste your time and go get THEIR SSL certs so people don't have to get scared and avoid your website.
That's the point if you haven't figured it out, dorks. Things get broken on purpose so "coders" and potentially YOU keep their jobs.
Their government isn't as invasive as western governments.
>this is what weebs actually believe
lol
lmao even
Ever hear of Japan ruining someone's life because *chooses a random item from a long list* they denied Sandy Hook?
>denied Sandy Hook
i don't think people that retarded can get a Japanese citizenship
Good goy
No shit. But back in 2013 before you were born, Snowden exposed how government loves to intercept HTTP for intel which caused everyone to SSL up.
>intercept http
Lmao @ this mouthbreather
I accept your concession
glownagger: activated
yes they opened whole prison for retards like you
>make a video about the product you own
>get 2 years in jail
>state violence
>state violence, japan
stfu
https encryption wasn't invented because of the government, retard. it was to protect against data stealing, MITMs and other attacks
they just blacklist all non-japanese IPs
Because it's never fucking secure you dipshits
why care when know government spy on you stupid burger
Because Japanese ISPs and government never snoop on their users so there's absolutely no need for https.
getting ssl certs is a pain in the rear.
It's as easy as running a shell script once every 6 months
And yet their websites work fine. And they don't have to pay or mess with certificate renewals.
Really makes you think who's actually benefiting from the "everyone must have https" propaganda.
They don't even know how to use pdf and email, so they keep using papers and fax machines
Https is bloat
https makes load sites slower because, unlike http, pages can't be cached anywhere on the network infrastructure.
or smth like that.
point is https is not really needed for blogs or news pages.
Japanese IT infrastructure is lacking ~10 years behind the developed world.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-05-23/.102406
This isn't strange. 16% of high schoolers in Japan use desktop computers and another 30% use laptops. Thats 46% computer usage for high school students. In the US and other developed countries, its ~98%. Another study had 50% of Japanese households have computers but they never use it or usage is extremely limited. Hardly anyone use computers on daily basis in Japan. China for example has ~90% computer usage at home. A country that's ~1/3 as rich as Japan, but a vastly more computer using kids in the society.
Their communications are encrypted with kanji and moon runes with mystery character sets.
https is a CIA psyop anyway
I would love it if my browser stopped seething about http