why do so many people always touch their brakes for a split second when just cruising on a free road? do retards not know that engine braking is a thing? if you need to just slightly slow down just release the fucking throttle a bit, no need to use your brakes and suddenly reduce the gap between you and the car behind dammit
I think alot of people drive with a foot on each pedal? I'll see people tap their brakes while going up hill but never slow down. I also followed behind a suv on the highway at night for 5 or 6 miles thinking their tail lights were super bright, then I saw them flicker a few times, noticed their third brake light was on and realized they must have been resting their foot on the brake pedal.
Sounds like a great way to wear out your brakes early
if it's an old ford or dodge it's usually a broken brake switch that they don't know about. happens on some hondas too, and some 2010 hyundais just seem to have erratic or non-existent brake lights after the owner wires in a trailer lighting harness
I think it's gotta be this. You can kind of tell when people take off from a green light. The rear end will squat down and they'll start to take move but their brake lights are still on.
>I'll see people tap their brakes while going up hill
Nothing makes me more furious than seeing some braindead boomer in his gay sportscar realize he's going 1mph over the speed limit while in the leftmost lane going uphill and decides he needs to slam his brakes until he drops 20mph.
They are.
99% of cars are auto so the engine braking doesnt really happen and people are just coasting while off throttle.
Because people are retards and don't keep a proper following distance because they think tailing people an inch from their bumper gets them to their destination faster.
the reason people do this is they are on their phone. they look down at their phone and instinctively cover the brake pushing it slightly
cancels cruise control, or mebbe some shitty ass adaptive cc
This but also why would non carfags care to know / know about engine braking lol they do a million worse things for safety and part wear
probably, I've driven a corolla with adaptive CC and it fucking sucks. If I ever buy a car with it I'll first check to make sure it can disabled.
You wouldn't have to know what engine braking is, just that when you let off the throttle at highway speeds the car will slow down a bit. Even with zero engine braking, you'll still slow down a bit from road friction and air resistance. Even in a manual you hardly have any engine braking in high gear, if anything OP is the retard.
besides you retards shouldn't be down shifting to engine brake on the highway anyways because that's a great way to get rear ended.
Engine breaking is almost non-existent in a lot of modern cars, even manuals, without like actively trying to induce it in a weird way, it's actually easier to use the brake a bit.
Idk what's doing it, something with the fuel line burning any gas left in the line, for EPA or some bullshit
>Engine breaking is almost non-existent in a lot of modern cars, even manuals
I have driven two modern manual cars and confirm this is factually not true
Which car? Tuned?
I would suspect it's more common in economy or comfort cars
In my manual Jetta, I let off the throttle and the revs just hang for like 5 seconds. I've seen this in a lot of cars with electronic throttle or whatever
One was a 2010s Skoda rapid, the other was a 2010s Hyundai santa Fe or whatever. Both had proper engine braking. I now drive an e36 and not much is different tbh. Engine braking might be a bit more pronounced on the e36 but I can't say it's a world of a difference. Tbh I don't see any reason for manufacturers to remove engien braking since making the throttle stuck open is gonna affect fuel economy and emissions.
It's actually supposed to help economy because you're burning the unburnt fuel. I personally hate it. Anyways, it's a legit thing they are doing now, look up "rev hang", lot of people complain about it, euro cars probably adopting it first
It's because of how automatic gearboxes are designed, there being no need for engine braking on light ICE vehicles. BEV use regenerative braking and big diesels with automatics can be fitted with Jake brake compression braking units.
Modern automatic gearboxes (ZF8 for example) do in fact slightly engine brake on throttle pedal release. You have to go back
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>MUH ZF
not him but you fuck off, auto loving homosexual.
>Engine breaking is almost non-existent in a lot of modern cars
Hyundai says otherwise.
engine breaking is very much existent in all cars simply cause of all the moving parts creating friction and slowing the car down, this is basic physics
thats not engine braking, that's rolling and air resistance
What the fuck are you talking about retard?
>Cruising in top gear
>Downshift
>Engine braking suddenly and magically exists in modern cars
You don't have cruise control?
I do that (lightly) to disable cruise control.
I do that harder to test if I have traction (in winter/heavy rain).
> if you need to just slightly slow down just release the fucking throttle a bit
Doesn't work like that on all transmissions. Doesn't provide fine control over your deceleration.
>Doesn't work like that on all transmissions. Doesn't provide fine control over your deceleration.
>releasing the throttle doesn't slow you down
>adjusting the throttle doesn't result in fine speed control
wtf am I reading
t. yeah
Only some automatic transmissions start to engine brake if you release the throttle.
If you're thinking about slowing down while coasting without engine braking, the deceleration is too insignificant in most cases and won't appear at all if there is a slight downwards incline.
anything with a locking TC will engine brake fine
zf8s will engine brake in each gear all by themselves as you come to a stop, they detect hill descents as well and will hold a low gear for you.
the only things that don't are like big fat luxobarges but you can still shift the selector into 2 or whatever underdrive gears are called in your car, and the trans will engine brake.
even at highway speeds most autos will only go down a safe number of gears, not directly to 2nd, so you can use this to drive it more like a manual. i've also used this functionality in the opposite way, to pre-empt the kickdown before accelerating to overtake.
i have literally never driven an automatic that cannot engine brake at all. sometimes there's a trick like the OD Off buttons in Fords, in my old Volvo 850 you just rack that bitch all the way back to 1 and the computer takes care of safe downshifting. it's been what like 80 years since automatic cars came without some kind of "hill descending" semi-manual functionality.
>anything with a locking TC will engine brake fine
I mean in D/OD, not in M/L/4321/etc
>zf8s will engine brake in each gear all by themselves
Yes they do, but it's not like every other tranny does that too.
>the only things that don't are like big fat luxobarges
Fucking 4L60E and many other popular trannines with torque converter lockup, electronic control and even manual/steptronic modes don't, and nobody said anything about touching the selector before you mentioned it. It was "release the pedal".
>i have literally never driven an automatic that cannot engine brake at all
You can't fucking read. I suspect you're one of those bot-like commenters who react to some keywords but their replies are hardly relevant.
anon if you release the pedal in top gear in a manual car you will not engine brake. that's the whole point of overdrive gears.
some mannys on sports cars like miatas don't really have overdrives or they're not really that tall so lifting in 5th will generally slow you down a little, but you still need to go down into the underdrives for actual engine braking. your 1:1 gear is usually the best.
ideally there should be no or very little engine braking in the top gear for the best fuel economy. no transmission should immediately and abruptly slow the car down with your foot off the pedal unless it's in an underdrive gear. engine braking is literally the pistons trying to pull air thru a closed throttle plate, so a high rpm is more effective. for that you need to downshift.
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>Only some automatic transmissions start to engine brake if you release the throttle.
>release throttle
>car doesn't slow down
>cruise on the freeway at idle fuel flow
problem?
Tell that to fags replying that releasing the throttle slows you down.
U mad? It's literally one of the most popular gearboxes of the last decade. I don't own cars with it, but I've driven plenty and you can't ignore its distinctive feature related to the discussion.
>do retards not know that engine braking is a thing?
Yes. They have no idea what that it and just go from go pedal to slow pedal back and forth.
This is the truth and the consequence of only driving manual. Pedal on the left makes you go slower, pedal on the right makes you go faster. These are the people that will have a car that cranks over but won't start and hook up jumper cables. The wrong way.
>consequence of only driving manual
lolwut. driving manual the engine brake effect is noticeably stronger than in an auto. if anything the consequence of driving manual only then going to auto would be trying to engine brake only to quickly find out that the car doesn't slow down as much as you expect it to
personally when my right foot is not on the gas it's on the brake, and even when i am engine braking i'll make sure to light up the brake lights by just barely holding the pedal so the car behind me knows i'm slowing down
also in my challenger, and this is probably true of many newer automatics, the engine has a lot of rev hang especially in high gear at low rpm, and even though you've released your foot from the gas and are slowing, it's still kind of on power for a whole second before the engine braking you'd expect actually occurs. to prevent this i use the semi-manual mode to go down a gear while still on power, then release the gas and engine brake.
>do retards not know that engine braking is a thing?
Yes actually this is a symptom of automatic transmission. Folks literally don't understand gearing and only associate gas with go and pedal with stop. To be fair though most automatics do a bad job matching one another most particularly in the 2-3rd gearing. At least that's what I've noticed after swapping from a car to a motorcycle full time for the past 4 or so years.
a non-insignificant share of drivers drive with both feet. despite the first fucking thing you learn when you start driving is ONLY USE ONE FOOT. those morons are a big part of the stop-go shit that happens on freeways. it seems cruising smoothly with proper following distance is something only 110+ IQ people are capable of, and that share of the population is diminishing.
It's just retards being retarded. I don't dwell on it more than that otherwise it makes my blood pressure rise.
It's called pre-loading the brakes and it's racecar cool.
its okay anon. one day you will have to come to terms with that, well the israelites have built a society based on cars and not every single person should be driving a car. its really an insane idea if you think about...people with no skills or abilities are allowed to operate 3,000-6,000lbs machinery just by completing a quiz and a ten minute driving test. my advice to you is to stop thinking of things like your post because it is wasted effort of your energy. move on.
I'll flash brake lights to let people behind me know that I intend to slow.
i triple tap my brakes to warn of any speed traps ahead