Why do people say 2007-2009 was a dark age for cartoons? It was honestly great.

Why do people say 2007-2009 was a dark age for cartoons?

It was honestly great.

There were a lot of good shows airing at that time like Avatar The Last Airbender (S2-3), The Replacements, Chowder, Class of 3000, Phineas and Ferb, Legion of Superheroes, El Tigre, Spectacular Spider Man, Batman Brave and The Bold, Ben 10/AF, The Secret Saturdays, Transformers Animated, Wolverine and The X-Men. Yeah there was CNReal which was shit, but it was only by the second half of 2009 and it didn't take up much of the schedule

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nostaglia? All the stuff you mentioned wasn't judged on their own merit, just measured against Dexter's Lab or whatever

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We didn't know how good we still had it. But for me, it felt like CN was a step down from early 2000s, late 90s. Only Chowder and Flapjack felt near the level of older CN stuff. I agree some of the action cartoons were good though.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    don't forget The Secret Show

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chowder & Flapjack was fucking garbage and a taste of what's to come you fucking homosexual.
    Flapjack = Adventure Time/Star Vs/Steven Universe.
    Chowder = Regular Show/Gravity Falls/Uncle Grandpa

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How dare you compare Flapjack with thos shows. Flapjack was absolutely goated with the sauce and shits hard on steven universe. I guess you can kinda compare it to adventure time but even that is a stretch

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm curious, do you prefer the Sonic the Hedgehog the looney tunes rip-off of the 90s? over SonicSatAm and Underground?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're all SpongeBob clones to a degree

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Flapjack = Adventure Time/Star Vs/Steven Universe.
      What the fuck at you talking about? Flapjack never did lore bullshit beyond Candy Island, and certainly didn’t get as dramatic or depressing or plot-heavy as SU or SVTFOE.
      Stop talking out of your ass.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    CNReal, and the industry movements as a whole changed everything. Think of it like a mass extinction event, where only one or two things survive, and everything afterwards is based off of that.

    In this case, Adventure Time was the major thing that survived, and it has shaped Western Animation since then, for the worst. Pretentiousness, noodle arm calarts style, forced lgbt romance for the sake of a shipper, trying to appeal more to adult manchildren than children, being composed mostly of incestuous no-talent friends as opposed to actual staff.

    Anyone who thinks we're not in a dark age of animation now is lying to themselves. Quite frankly, I'd say all of the 2010s were a dark age, and there's no sign of it stopping.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      adult swim shitting the bed with the Boston incident followed by the writers' strike

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do people say 2007-2009 was a dark age for cartoons?
    Calartsfags
    It wasn't great but it was the last era before cartoons turned into garbage

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because most of those shows you mentioned were shit. Chowder and Flapjack especially don't hold up very well nowadays because they feel more like emulations of earlier cartoons rather than their own thing.

    Late 2000s lost what earlier cartoons had been building up on. Samurai Jack, Courage, Teen Titans and more were examples of shows that could deal with more serious themes while also clearly having their own identity.

    People whine about it being a 'dark age' now but in reality we're seeing a larger variety of cartoons than ever before.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but in reality we're seeing a larger variety of cartoons than ever before.
      How are Adventure Time and Gravity Falls wannabees "larger variety"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >People whine about it being a 'dark age' now but in reality we're seeing a larger variety of cartoons than ever before.
      It's actually worse today. At least those shows weren't infested with identity politics as they are now. CN is going down since AT.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Earlier shows had just as much 'identity politics' as you whine about today. Like how quickly retards like you forget Courage's whole lesbian episode. Or the entire existence of Captain Planet.

        The reality is that people like you claim shows are infested with identity politics because it doesn't specifically appeal to your tastes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Like how quickly retards like you forget Courage's whole lesbian episode.
          Except Courage didn't make a big deal about it in that episode, or obnoxiously shove it down your throat like something along the lines of the new Proud Family does

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Proud Family
            The Proud Family was originally created as 'identity politics', why are you even using that as an example? Like that was literally the point of it when it first aired, so of course it's going to keep doing that.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The original proud family had episodes relating to multiple subjects, there was never explicitly a "gay" episode without it being basically an allegory

              The new one, is pretty upfront about it, the same shit you see everywhere else

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >or obnoxiously shove it down your throat like something along the lines of the new Proud Family does
            To be fair, the old Proud Family was already obnoxious as hell.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          At least writers or producers used to add their political opinions into the show without being an obnoxious ass like how Hillenburg did with Sponge Bob. What CN has right now is pure woke propaganda without any subtlety or taste. Not to mention all of them are entirely uncreative fucks who can't write anything more than light SoL comedy with shitty "lore".

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Courage's whole lesbian episode. Or the entire existence of Captain Planet.
          wow literally 99% of cartoons, you really showed them queen

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Earlier shows didn't feel like they were written a pretentious artsie know-it-all teenager who's also cowardly and passive aggressive and exudes a "Don't judgeeee meeeee" personality.

          Characters personalities in today's cartoons:
          >I'm a special snowflake and the hero of my story, you just don't understand me, accept my flaws as something good. Me being a whiny piece of shit is something to be respected and admired and to aspire to be. It's perfectly normal to be an annoying pretentious depressive autistic unfunny arrogant piece of shit"
          At the very least you had those characters, but they were 1) just 1 character, not the whole show 2) they were written by an intelligent adult, not by some delusional clown who genuinely thinks like the character he writes.
          Today's writers cannot write more than 1 mentality to save their lives.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm a special snowflake and the hero of my story, you just don't understand me, accept my flaws as something good. Me being a whiny piece of shit is something to be respected and admired and to aspire to be. It's perfectly normal to be an annoying pretentious depressive autistic unfunny arrogant piece of shit"

            Anon, literally one of the most popular anime shows of all times was exactly this. Most of the shit shown on Toonami was this. Like you would have to be a delusional idiot to think somehow this is a new phenomena.

            And even then, that's not even close to the majority of the cartoons out there nowadays.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If it's Ed Edd Eddy, Dan Vs or shounen anime then they either did comedy or action well and had infinitely more life experience to do good dialogue instead of the usual Steven Universe personality where he whines all day or the usual Star Vs "I'm a DeeDee without a quarter of the wits, charm, smart dialogue, clever moves"
              Today's shows only do very boring Slice of Life pretending they're action shows with heavy world design when they're just trashy boring SoL with very unlikable and boring characters.

              Which animes and Toonami shows are you specifically referring to? Megas XLR?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Evangelion? Almost every modern cartoon is heavily inspired by Evangelion.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Late 2000s lost what earlier cartoons had been building up on. Samurai Jack, Courage, Teen Titans and more were examples of shows that could deal with more serious themes while also clearly having their own identity

      Were they successful by any metric? I love those kinds of shows too but it sometimes feels like people expect their media to grow up with them and cater to them exclusively. If the shows were good but didn't sell toys or have a strong kid audience(looking at you, Symbiotic titan), it makes sense to go in a different direction entirely

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have literally never heard anyone say that ever and most people I know regard that as an incredibly good time for cartoons.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do people say 2007-2009 was a dark age for cartoons?
    Because they personally didn't like the cartoons that were coming out at the time.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was the exact moment the current dark age began.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always thought these shows were so similar as a kid. They had such similar artstyles and formats that I thought they were made by the same dude.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      Might as well be

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why is Carl the only normal looking guy in that pic

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          From right to left, we get some generational devolution

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ahahahaha

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