Considering she is clearly an AAP fiend? Harder than any of us pour souls will ever know. She is living her fetish through us. We're like human sacrifices to the demon inside her lol.
Well, sure. Same as there is a reason to treat all women as helpless incompetent baby vending machines. Just because 80 percent of men are apes and 80 percent of women are useless outside of non-technical care giving work doesn't mean the other 20 percent should be stuffed into the same box. It's wasteful and cruel to not attempt to judge people as individuals.
>All males are sexual deviants
Society: ok >All females are retarded and will never do anything more meaningful than pregnancy
Feminism: NOOOOOOOOAHHHH NOO NOOO NOOOT TRUEE *burries studies* CORRELATIONS ARE LITERALLY PATRIARCHY
This is just an artifact of you growing up post feminism. Go back in time 100ish years and your views on women would be welcomed, and they still are in much of the world.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Exactly? Afabs don't get the bad parts of gender because of feminism but men have to and when we rebel feminists screech.
>all males are considered to be sexual deviants until proven otherwise
literally the other way around
conservatives think women will transform into some nymphomaniac unfaithful sex beasts unless they're violently repressed
>people fear male sexuality because they equate it with violence
even if they do, it's not seen as deviant and is actually presented as something rather banal
Because people are incapable of sympathy so they don't show any kindness towards people whose experience they didn't live through and most of people are retarded enough to genuinely believe unless their lives are completely perfect, they cannot have any privilege over other people.
maybe because men get paid more for doing less, are physically stronger than women and most high level jobs in traditional companies are still blocked by a glass ceiling and it doesn't just go away because some companies are being progressive?
>Society treats AMABs a heck of a lot worse than AFABs.
This just reinforces the concept of patriarchy if you think for even a moment as to why it is that way.
Both the male and female experience have good and bad aspects to it, and whether either has it 'better' is entirely dependant on who you are as a person, for example.
I'm a MtF, I'm pretty quiet and autistic tbh, and when I lived as a man, I felt extremely lonely and detachted from the rest of the world, I was ridiculed for just being myself by other men, I didn't feel comfortable expressing myself or wearing the things I wanted to.
When I transitioned I felt that I wasn't ridiculed, I wasn't judged on my appearance or what I chose to wear or say, I was alot more free to be myself and I wasn't trapped inside this little box.
But on the other hand, women also experience lots of hardships, sexual assault, rape, people viewing you as just a dumb sex object.
Whether you prefer the male experience or the female experience is entirely dependant on you, but it is quite hard for either side to see it unbiased, because the male experience is no attention, and sometimes being treated like you are guilty without even doing anything, and the female experience is too much attention, a good portion of it negative, and being scared of sexual assualt/it happening to you.
>But on the other hand, women also experience lots of hardships, sexual assault, rape, people viewing you as just a dumb sex object.
Most of these are positives lol
I was, by a stranger even. The only downside was STDs, it was an ok experience. Cis women live life on baby mode so I can see why this is such a traumatic experience for them but yeah.
>But on the other hand, women also experience lots of hardships, sexual assault, rape, people viewing you as just a dumb sex object.
Who doesn't want to be seen as a dumb sex object?
No, we've all been treated like shit by our "fellow" men in charge. It's not exactly an egalitarian gender. Women are projecting their own egalitarianism on men when they assume we somehow conspire together to keep each other in power
Like, we literally go to war with other men
There is no male-helping-out-male cabal
Remember, we have to compete over women...
If you just let other guys have a nice job, how will you outcompete them and have your one redeeming feature for marriage?
Exactly, mate competition drives most male/male dynamics. Even in friendships, there is a strict (don't even think about my gf) code that has to be strictly adhered to
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
because foids are precious
moids are biologically worthless and must kick and shove to the top of the heap
or else we'd have to entertain dating trannoids, but they don't pass good enough and don't birth
Just look at ANY social media post of women in sports and the comments will be full of "you're beautiful", "that swimsuit deserves a gold medal", "wow 10/10, her skills are good too" etc. it's FULL of comments only focusing on her body. Patriarchy
Good things women have -> It's our feminist empowerment
Bad things women have -> It's the patriarchy
Good things men have -> It's the patriarchy
Bad things men have -> It's their lack of feminism
Even when men are clearly put at disadvantage (e.g. mandatory male conscription), feminists phrase it in terms of "yes but women are akhtually the main victims here, because you paint them as weak"
question, if we should be judging the social status of men overall by the lowest common denominator (incels) should we not do the same for women. you'll argue that men win the oppression contest here because 'no woman can experience homelessness' yet have to seen the way femcels are treated by the men who fuck them. They get treated like shit, Fleshlights, sub-human, they'll get beaten and still stay because no worth while man would want them.
>no woman can experience homelessness
the idea that a woman should just let herself get raped in order to stay off the street is actually a fantastic example of patriarchal thinking
>the idea that a woman should just let herself get raped in order to stay off the street is actually a fantastic example of patriarchal thinking
Do you realize that having that option is much better than not having it? If this"getting raped" is worse than homelessness then you'd imagine they'd choose to be homeless right?
You're taking a privilege women have over men and twisting it and saying men should consider themselves lucky for not having that option. The option to use your body to become wealthy. Men are privileged for not having that option. The patriarchy gave women the option not to be homeless and this is a terrible thing.
Every GNC male I knew was always surrounded by chicks who he probably fucked, and no they weren't flamers, they were typical fembrained twinks
Maybe your suffering is rooted in autism, not gender non conformity
Because most politicians and people in power are male so they think this translates to some sort of inherent advantage in men when in reality the average male has zero power and they forget that most of the voters are women so the men in power will pander/simp for them.
>they forget that most of the voters are women
This is what kills me about women. They're the majority of the voters and they put men into power then throw shade at men as a whole for being in power. Elect some bitches then you dumb cunts.
the way this site treats women while trying to argue women have more power than men reminds me of how lolcow and crystal cafe talk about trannies while saying trannies have the most power in society
Any hardship amabs face is a result of their perceived proximity to "afabness," it all comes back to women bad, fucking open your eyes you blithering retard. and yes im including trans women all women are women
Ok i couldnt think of the word I am high rn, but yes thats what i meant basically im just trying to highlight that op's view alienates trans women from womanhood by chaining them to the "amab" labelDont be mad at me
>AFAB/AMAB
Terms invented by the intersex community who had doctors choose a sex to assign them often arbitrarily on birth. Co-oped by TME non-binary people to use their female sex to gain social benefits within queer communities.
>Female/male
The two sexes. A function of the endocrinal profile during development.
>Man/woman
The social roles associated with the sexes. For example, "Be a man!". Feminists try to equate them with sex to remove the concept that there are responsibilities associated with their social role, in the sense that it's hard to say a female isn't being womanly in the past few decades, but this is a peversion and inequality.
Meh, only turbo autists make these distinctions. It's all the same thing, humans fall into one of two baskets. If you pass as female, you're both a woman and afab for all I care, even if you were born male
Feminists have their weird idea that the privilege of rich men is a result of them being men rather than a result of them being rich, while ignoring the struggles of the working class and poverty level men.
>Why do people believe in the unironic patriarchy?
idk anon the world is verifiably run by men. Just look at who owns every company and who runs every country. The real question is, what does living in a patriarchy actually entail?
>Society treats AMABs a heck of a lot worse than AFABs.
Retarded meatheads/jocks and "Chads" are the ones who've treated all of us like shit our whole lives, not to mention enforcing toxic masculinity and shame on everyone from straight cis men who are simply nerdy or dress a little different or even just have autistic or alternative interests to their own friends. They're closest to the idea of an ubermensch, to that christofascistic idea of empty conformist perfection and that is the patriarchy on a less systemic, street level. It's your abusive dad who peaked in highschool and was hot 20 years ago treating you and random minorities at the supermarket like shit and getting mad that you have interests and are an individual, just like your peaked in highschool grandfather did, and everyone thinks it's the only way humanity can and should be because of patriarchy.
Normie men treat each other like shit in hopes of getting a slice of that societal approval pie because their self esteem is derived from feeling like they're higher in the hierarchy than others rather than a genuine sense of self worth, it's also why they fill up with self hate when they 'fail' at manhood in any way, normie women do the same but they mostly live an existence of condescension and being babied/disrespected and using being a cunt as a leg up in hopes to get what those idealized men do through birthright. It's why so many grown adults are uncomfortable at displays of emotion and at things like gender nonconformity or niche interests, they really can't see people as individuals, their lives are dedicated to fulfilling the set roles before them and they can't fit you in their head for existing as something else, as something that they'd actually have to get to know.
why is she so fucking ugly and punchable
Transmasculine grin of taking away HRT
How hard do you think she cums at trans girls being force-masculinized?
Considering she is clearly an AAP fiend? Harder than any of us pour souls will ever know. She is living her fetish through us. We're like human sacrifices to the demon inside her lol.
If she looked better she'd have no reason to consider ftmg transition
>society shits on GNC males
Feminists: Oh it's because THEY'RE READING your femaleness, this is actually misogyny
If this were true then trans women would be treated better than cis women
Its homophobia not misandry. The same way you get called a homosexual i get called a dyke.
it's misandry, all males are considered to be sexual deviants until proven otherwise, this is applied to trans women
>all males are considered to be sexual deviants until proven otherwise
I wonder if theres a reason for that?
Well, sure. Same as there is a reason to treat all women as helpless incompetent baby vending machines. Just because 80 percent of men are apes and 80 percent of women are useless outside of non-technical care giving work doesn't mean the other 20 percent should be stuffed into the same box. It's wasteful and cruel to not attempt to judge people as individuals.
>All males are sexual deviants
Society: ok
>All females are retarded and will never do anything more meaningful than pregnancy
Feminism: NOOOOOOOOAHHHH NOO NOOO NOOOT TRUEE *burries studies* CORRELATIONS ARE LITERALLY PATRIARCHY
This is just an artifact of you growing up post feminism. Go back in time 100ish years and your views on women would be welcomed, and they still are in much of the world.
Exactly? Afabs don't get the bad parts of gender because of feminism but men have to and when we rebel feminists screech.
Feminism is a bunch of free stuff with no costs
>all males are considered to be sexual deviants until proven otherwise
literally the other way around
conservatives think women will transform into some nymphomaniac unfaithful sex beasts unless they're violently repressed
people fear female sexuality because it makes them jealous and insecure
people fear male sexuality because they equate it with violence
>people fear male sexuality because they equate it with violence
even if they do, it's not seen as deviant and is actually presented as something rather banal
The reason for that is that the worst case scenario for women is legitimate danger, while woman will never meaningfully pose a threat to a man
Women kill men on a regular basis, teachers keep fucking teen boys
Most teen boys can easily overpower a female teacher
women have the backing of the state and court system, they can end a man's freedom with a word
homosexual and dyke hold vastly VASTLY different weights.
Same reason there are a hundred slurs for tran women and none for trans men outside Imageboards.
Because people are incapable of sympathy so they don't show any kindness towards people whose experience they didn't live through and most of people are retarded enough to genuinely believe unless their lives are completely perfect, they cannot have any privilege over other people.
people do not consider low value males as human
Men:
>Okay fine, if society values you more, we get to have some of us at the top.
Modern Wahmen:
>We want it all, we want everything, we want to make all men lower value
maybe because men get paid more for doing less, are physically stronger than women and most high level jobs in traditional companies are still blocked by a glass ceiling and it doesn't just go away because some companies are being progressive?
most high level jobs in traditional companies are blocked to the vast majority of males
because of their incompetence, be it professionally or socially, not because of their gender.
that's the difference.
There are no female chess grandmasters
Is this because of their gender or females are just less likely to have the competence?
you are retarded
There's 5.
Best known one is Alexandra Kosteniuk.
>
>people still believe in the wage gap in current year
I thought everyone found out how retarded comparing all men to all women was years ago
>xe thinks women work harder than men
>xe thinks its not just nepotism
>xe believes in meritocracy in 2023
do you think she'll eventually commit suicide? because that would be a real shame. I would never celebrate something like that.
As a mid shit passiod I can verify your stupid
>Society treats AMABs a heck of a lot worse than AFABs.
This just reinforces the concept of patriarchy if you think for even a moment as to why it is that way.
Both the male and female experience have good and bad aspects to it, and whether either has it 'better' is entirely dependant on who you are as a person, for example.
I'm a MtF, I'm pretty quiet and autistic tbh, and when I lived as a man, I felt extremely lonely and detachted from the rest of the world, I was ridiculed for just being myself by other men, I didn't feel comfortable expressing myself or wearing the things I wanted to.
When I transitioned I felt that I wasn't ridiculed, I wasn't judged on my appearance or what I chose to wear or say, I was alot more free to be myself and I wasn't trapped inside this little box.
But on the other hand, women also experience lots of hardships, sexual assault, rape, people viewing you as just a dumb sex object.
Whether you prefer the male experience or the female experience is entirely dependant on you, but it is quite hard for either side to see it unbiased, because the male experience is no attention, and sometimes being treated like you are guilty without even doing anything, and the female experience is too much attention, a good portion of it negative, and being scared of sexual assualt/it happening to you.
>But on the other hand, women also experience lots of hardships, sexual assault, rape, people viewing you as just a dumb sex object.
Most of these are positives lol
That's your fetish and male sex drive talking, congrats.
If you were actually raped, you would not enjoy it.
I was, by a stranger even. The only downside was STDs, it was an ok experience. Cis women live life on baby mode so I can see why this is such a traumatic experience for them but yeah.
Rape is just theft of services. Only reason holes get so cuntmad over it is because someone took it without paying for it.
>That's your fetish and male sex drive talking
>Implying that being raped isn't the single most common fetish among cis women
>But on the other hand, women also experience lots of hardships, sexual assault, rape, people viewing you as just a dumb sex object.
Who doesn't want to be seen as a dumb sex object?
They certainly do or else they wouldn't have melt downs when men ignore them
Seeing how it turned out to be either extremely hostile, or condescending at best towards trannies, I regret having supported feminism, pre-transition
>>and who runs society anon
hint it’s not women
Men running society has no implication of men being treated better
Men treat men worse than they treat women, by far
You’re stupid
anon is right though
No, we've all been treated like shit by our "fellow" men in charge. It's not exactly an egalitarian gender. Women are projecting their own egalitarianism on men when they assume we somehow conspire together to keep each other in power
Like, we literally go to war with other men
There is no male-helping-out-male cabal
Remember, we have to compete over women...
If you just let other guys have a nice job, how will you outcompete them and have your one redeeming feature for marriage?
Exactly, mate competition drives most male/male dynamics. Even in friendships, there is a strict (don't even think about my gf) code that has to be strictly adhered to
because foids are precious
moids are biologically worthless and must kick and shove to the top of the heap
or else we'd have to entertain dating trannoids, but they don't pass good enough and don't birth
Just look at ANY social media post of women in sports and the comments will be full of "you're beautiful", "that swimsuit deserves a gold medal", "wow 10/10, her skills are good too" etc. it's FULL of comments only focusing on her body. Patriarchy
heterosexual men existing is patriarchy?
Good things women have -> It's our feminist empowerment
Bad things women have -> It's the patriarchy
Good things men have -> It's the patriarchy
Bad things men have -> It's their lack of feminism
Even when men are clearly put at disadvantage (e.g. mandatory male conscription), feminists phrase it in terms of "yes but women are akhtually the main victims here, because you paint them as weak"
women also do this when theyre talking to the girl friends
men are just more bold about it
how DARE they compliment me but not in exactly the right way!
question, if we should be judging the social status of men overall by the lowest common denominator (incels) should we not do the same for women. you'll argue that men win the oppression contest here because 'no woman can experience homelessness' yet have to seen the way femcels are treated by the men who fuck them. They get treated like shit, Fleshlights, sub-human, they'll get beaten and still stay because no worth while man would want them.
>no woman can experience homelessness
the idea that a woman should just let herself get raped in order to stay off the street is actually a fantastic example of patriarchal thinking
next time you're telling me that people with 2 working kidneys are oppressed because they could decide to sell 1?
(yes i'm libertarian)
if someone is in the circumstance where they feel a need to do so, yes. we have enough stuff to go around and i think needless suffering is cringe.
>you say you are willing to do it!
>but i know you don't actually want it!
>therefore, you must be forbidden from doing it!
Literally SWERF mindset.
nah fuck that sex workers are workers and workers should unite against the bourgeoisie
>the idea that a woman should just let herself get raped in order to stay off the street is actually a fantastic example of patriarchal thinking
Do you realize that having that option is much better than not having it? If this"getting raped" is worse than homelessness then you'd imagine they'd choose to be homeless right?
You're taking a privilege women have over men and twisting it and saying men should consider themselves lucky for not having that option. The option to use your body to become wealthy. Men are privileged for not having that option. The patriarchy gave women the option not to be homeless and this is a terrible thing.
Every GNC male I knew was always surrounded by chicks who he probably fucked, and no they weren't flamers, they were typical fembrained twinks
Maybe your suffering is rooted in autism, not gender non conformity
To them gay men not wanting to fuck them is the patriarchy, the cruelest thing for women is being ignored
mfw i cant understand that a sexist system would force the oppressors to be miserable in order to keep it running.
you're right, it doesn't make sense that a segment of society would conspire to perpetuate a system that actively harms themselves
Because most politicians and people in power are male so they think this translates to some sort of inherent advantage in men when in reality the average male has zero power and they forget that most of the voters are women so the men in power will pander/simp for them.
>they forget that most of the voters are women
This is what kills me about women. They're the majority of the voters and they put men into power then throw shade at men as a whole for being in power. Elect some bitches then you dumb cunts.
100% of the elected officials could be women and women would still find a way to whine and complain that men control everything.
Women don't wanna see other women in power. Women overwhelmingly voted for Hitler.
the way this site treats women while trying to argue women have more power than men reminds me of how lolcow and crystal cafe talk about trannies while saying trannies have the most power in society
society isn't one entity, and different forums are seperate microcosms with their own hierarchy.
Because edgy teenagers being hostile on LULZ is a representation of society as a whole.
Any hardship amabs face is a result of their perceived proximity to "afabness," it all comes back to women bad, fucking open your eyes you blithering retard. and yes im including trans women all women are women
>afabness
JUST SAY WOMANHOOD YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THIS WORD
Ok i couldnt think of the word I am high rn, but yes thats what i meant basically im just trying to highlight that op's view alienates trans women from womanhood by chaining them to the "amab" labelDont be mad at me
afab, female, and woman all mean the same thing
>AFAB/AMAB
Terms invented by the intersex community who had doctors choose a sex to assign them often arbitrarily on birth. Co-oped by TME non-binary people to use their female sex to gain social benefits within queer communities.
>Female/male
The two sexes. A function of the endocrinal profile during development.
>Man/woman
The social roles associated with the sexes. For example, "Be a man!". Feminists try to equate them with sex to remove the concept that there are responsibilities associated with their social role, in the sense that it's hard to say a female isn't being womanly in the past few decades, but this is a peversion and inequality.
Meh, only turbo autists make these distinctions. It's all the same thing, humans fall into one of two baskets. If you pass as female, you're both a woman and afab for all I care, even if you were born male
Feminists have their weird idea that the privilege of rich men is a result of them being men rather than a result of them being rich, while ignoring the struggles of the working class and poverty level men.
working class men are literally subhuman and not worth considering at all to most of these feminists
But they sure love to use these neo nazi working class men to sick on trannies
>Why do people believe in the unironic patriarchy?
idk anon the world is verifiably run by men. Just look at who owns every company and who runs every country. The real question is, what does living in a patriarchy actually entail?
men are kinda oppressed in ways
but cis guys are npcs and can only imagine being oppressed by them not getting laid
cis men should be liberated but they are too dumb to realise the chains they have attached so nothing will happen
women need to lose the right to vote and probably shouldn't be allowed to own property.
both bio and trans.
>Society treats AMABs a heck of a lot worse than AFABs.
I really doubt anyone actually believes this
if they do then they're so drunk on autism and inceldom that their brain is literally rotting inside their skull
Based. This made my little poon heart swell
You haven't been a "man" in some time, cock-ingester.
If you pass, you will have no heart.
Wow this thread has some good takes and a few actually braindead retarded shit takes.
>Society treats AMABs a heck of a lot worse than AFABs.
Retarded meatheads/jocks and "Chads" are the ones who've treated all of us like shit our whole lives, not to mention enforcing toxic masculinity and shame on everyone from straight cis men who are simply nerdy or dress a little different or even just have autistic or alternative interests to their own friends. They're closest to the idea of an ubermensch, to that christofascistic idea of empty conformist perfection and that is the patriarchy on a less systemic, street level. It's your abusive dad who peaked in highschool and was hot 20 years ago treating you and random minorities at the supermarket like shit and getting mad that you have interests and are an individual, just like your peaked in highschool grandfather did, and everyone thinks it's the only way humanity can and should be because of patriarchy.
Normie men treat each other like shit in hopes of getting a slice of that societal approval pie because their self esteem is derived from feeling like they're higher in the hierarchy than others rather than a genuine sense of self worth, it's also why they fill up with self hate when they 'fail' at manhood in any way, normie women do the same but they mostly live an existence of condescension and being babied/disrespected and using being a cunt as a leg up in hopes to get what those idealized men do through birthright. It's why so many grown adults are uncomfortable at displays of emotion and at things like gender nonconformity or niche interests, they really can't see people as individuals, their lives are dedicated to fulfilling the set roles before them and they can't fit you in their head for existing as something else, as something that they'd actually have to get to know.