Why do pagans worship literal demons?

Pic related is Buddhist "King of Hell" that is worshipped at some temples in Japan.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >guys why does the dreadsome king of the Hells look scawy!
    >why would anyone honor the guy who metes out punishments according to the karmas of evildoers, purifying them of evil in the fires of the Hells??

  3. 1 year ago
    Sage

    >why do religions that exist outside the framework of my theology worship beings that never existed in my theology
    Christianity is the religion of morons, Republicans, and conmen.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      reminder that this literally the god christcucks worship

      Why do you worship a scared, dying, caucasian (?)Man nailed to wood.

      why do some Christians keep trying to turn everything they don't understand into some Satan-figure or equivalent? they do it with with everything lmao.

      >why do some Christians keep trying to turn everything they don't understand into some Satan-figure or equivalent?

      Actual IQfy response:

      Christianity is an extremely dualistic, good vs evil, good is the presense of God, absense of God is evil, but evil proves the existence of God, kind of religion. "Proof of the Devil proves God" kind of thing. So, just, fundamentally they're jumping at the bit to look for that kind of thing as confirmation of their cosmology.

      The second thing going on is that the Protestant and Puritan movement really nuetered a lot of the cosmology, mytisicism, and cool frickin' expanded lore that early Christianity/Catholicism had.
      This could be it's own entire thread, but rural Christians didn't give up paganism so much as they just accepted Christianity as the superior vehicle for their already pre-existing folk beliefs and carried on from there. What this translated into an expansive three-faction based pantheon of White(God and the Court of Heaven), Green(fairies, fey, trolls, etc), and Black gods (Satan and pals) with Astrology and Alchemy stapled into there sometime in the 1600 to 1700's.
      Protestants and Puritans ejected all this shit. They despised essentially any form of sorcery, magic, miracle-work, mythos, folklore, etc.. Which had it's ups and downs: it fueled the sciencitific method, skepticism, they didn't believe in witch hunts, and emulated a lot of ?modern atheist energy?

      Gnosticism doesn't seem to be so moronic if you look into it.

      It really seems like some Demonic Aliens overtook this world from actual Gods. Maybe in some form of space war, that we don't know about.

      YHWH, his angels are described as draconic, demonic and scary looking.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Durr, God is not God, Satan is!
        >Satan must be God because he looks beautiful!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Abrahamic angels look way more based and other worldly then just humans with wings and shit lmao

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That's maybe King Yenma?
    King Yenma/Yama fulfills kind of the same role as Saint Peter does in expanded Christian Lore: he's the guy keeping and managing the books on everything bad you've done, but in King Yenma's case he specifically documents the personal unkindness you've done to others and penalizes you accordingly.

    The concept of Hell in Buddhism isn't like in Heaven where you're just shit out of luck and now you get to suffer for eternity. Buddhist Hell is a place where you work off the excessive negative karma you've accrued in life so you can get as close back to a neutral karmic score as possible and be reincarnated for another kick at the can. Heaven works the exact same way except for good karma.
    King Yama, if I remember correctly, has a myth attatched to him that in his youth he originally ventured into Hell (there's lots of realms in Buddhism) he found a largely lawless, chaotic, senseless, fricking mess of suffering. Evil people spend vast amounts of time suffering and then seemingly arbitrarily be finished. King Yama thought this was pointless and ineffective and established an institution and court that would document, methodize, and streamline the process as efficiently as possible so people could be in and out as quickly as possible.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I could never find a buddhist explanation for this but how bad do they consider hell to be for a normal person? Like someone who lives a petty life concerned with petty things, who maybe does some petty wrongs to others, but also helps out his fellow man and extends kindness to others, and doesn't do anything particularly reprehensible?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “‘Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,’ who was, and is, and is to come.” (Revelation 4:6:-8)

        >As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. (Ezekiel 1:15-18)

        >Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. (Revelation 5:6)
        This is supposed to be Jesus by the way.

        Explain how these aren't eldritch horrors.

        NTA I think it depends on your karmic score. If you were a very bad person you suffer in Naraka whereas if you lived an unfulfilled life you go to the Realm of the Hungry Ghosts. Both are not permanent punishments and once you died there you go to the next realm in Samsara before eventually returning to the Human realm. The Hindus and Chinese have similar ideas where Hell isn't a permanent punishment but a place of temporary suffering before moving on to the next life.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        basically if you live a life thats shit but not straight up evil you get reincarnated as a low caste bum homie (AKA Dalit/untouchable). The karmic system is also the justification for the caste system, as every soul is where they are as a result of past karma

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Did the Buddha even give a shit about the caste system? I'm pretty sure he was critical of a lot of Indian religion and culture. Especially the Brahmin.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Buddha taught that reincarnation is bad because it prolongs suffering. One must escape Samara, the endless cycle of death and rebirth to reach a state of everlasting bliss. I think this might be seen as heretical by Hindus, especially the Brahmin, but I am not sure. Hindus deified Buddha as one of Vishnu's avatars meaning they completely missed the point of Buddhism.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The whole notion of Buddhist life is to discard the whole caste system and become a renunciate.

            >https://www.buddhanet.net/bud_lt21.htm

            >"Just as, O monks, the great rivers Gangâ, Yamunâ, Aciravati, Sarabhû, and Mahi, on reaching the ocean, lose their earlier name and identity and come to be reckoned as the great ocean, similarly, O monks, people of the four castes (vannas).... who leave the household and become homeless recluses under the Doctrine and Discipline declared by the Tathâgata, lose their previous names and identities and are reckoned as recluses who are sons of Sâkya" (Udâna 55).

            >When asked on his caste was

            No Brahmin I, no prince,
            No farmer, or aught else.
            All worldly ranks I know,
            But knowing go my way
            as simply nobody:
            Homeless, in pilgrim garb,
            With shaven crown, I go
            my way alone, serene.
            To ask my birth is vain

            >When insulted by Brahmins

            "Birth makes not a man an outcast,
            Birth makes not a man a brahmin;
            Action makes a man an outcast,
            Action makes a man a brahmin."

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like a myth developed to provide legitimacy to the legal/judicial authorities of the state.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you worship a scared, dying, caucasian (?)Man nailed to wood.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    reminder that this literally the god christcucks worship

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oh boy it's the Guatemala gay again

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        He's right

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why do some Christians keep trying to turn everything they don't understand into some Satan-figure or equivalent? they do it with with everything lmao.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >why do some Christians keep trying to turn everything they don't understand into some Satan-figure or equivalent?

      Actual IQfy response:

      Christianity is an extremely dualistic, good vs evil, good is the presense of God, absense of God is evil, but evil proves the existence of God, kind of religion. "Proof of the Devil proves God" kind of thing. So, just, fundamentally they're jumping at the bit to look for that kind of thing as confirmation of their cosmology.

      The second thing going on is that the Protestant and Puritan movement really nuetered a lot of the cosmology, mytisicism, and cool frickin' expanded lore that early Christianity/Catholicism had.
      This could be it's own entire thread, but rural Christians didn't give up paganism so much as they just accepted Christianity as the superior vehicle for their already pre-existing folk beliefs and carried on from there. What this translated into an expansive three-faction based pantheon of White(God and the Court of Heaven), Green(fairies, fey, trolls, etc), and Black gods (Satan and pals) with Astrology and Alchemy stapled into there sometime in the 1600 to 1700's.
      Protestants and Puritans ejected all this shit. They despised essentially any form of sorcery, magic, miracle-work, mythos, folklore, etc.. Which had it's ups and downs: it fueled the sciencitific method, skepticism, they didn't believe in witch hunts, and emulated a lot of ?modern atheist energy?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >This could be it's own entire thread, but rural Christians didn't give up paganism so much as they just accepted Christianity as the superior vehicle for their already pre-existing folk beliefs and carried on from there.
        I genuinely believe that when the romans converted, they didn't actually convert. They took the christian god and put it in their pantheon of gods, like they did with other foreign gods. Eventually christian >aesthetics and nomenclature< won, but the substance is still roman. And by this I mean even things like Jesus birth. The vast majority of culturally catholic people know that Joseph is not Jesus' father, but they don't actually "believe" it, what they believe in is the holy family because that's a lot more european and less semitic.

        A lot of the issue in protestant cultures is that they take christianity seriously and literally instead of just cool names and looks for old local beliefs.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        it would be cool if it was its own entire thread, i don't know much about theology myself so it'd be neat to learn some info, this one is probably just gonna be a shitslinging fest.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >This could be it's own entire thread, but rural Christians didn't give up paganism so much as they just accepted Christianity as the superior vehicle for their already pre-existing folk beliefs and carried on from there.
          I genuinely believe that when the romans converted, they didn't actually convert. They took the christian god and put it in their pantheon of gods, like they did with other foreign gods. Eventually christian >aesthetics and nomenclature< won, but the substance is still roman. And by this I mean even things like Jesus birth. The vast majority of culturally catholic people know that Joseph is not Jesus' father, but they don't actually "believe" it, what they believe in is the holy family because that's a lot more european and less semitic.

          A lot of the issue in protestant cultures is that they take christianity seriously and literally instead of just cool names and looks for old local beliefs.

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          Gnosticism doesn't seem to be so moronic if you look into it.

          It really seems like some Demonic Aliens overtook this world from actual Gods. Maybe in some form of space war, that we don't know about.

          YHWH, his angels are described as draconic, demonic and scary looking.

          I'm just gonna give an extended thought to my post over here:

          >why do some Christians keep trying to turn everything they don't understand into some Satan-figure or equivalent?

          Actual IQfy response:

          Christianity is an extremely dualistic, good vs evil, good is the presense of God, absense of God is evil, but evil proves the existence of God, kind of religion. "Proof of the Devil proves God" kind of thing. So, just, fundamentally they're jumping at the bit to look for that kind of thing as confirmation of their cosmology.

          The second thing going on is that the Protestant and Puritan movement really nuetered a lot of the cosmology, mytisicism, and cool frickin' expanded lore that early Christianity/Catholicism had.
          This could be it's own entire thread, but rural Christians didn't give up paganism so much as they just accepted Christianity as the superior vehicle for their already pre-existing folk beliefs and carried on from there. What this translated into an expansive three-faction based pantheon of White(God and the Court of Heaven), Green(fairies, fey, trolls, etc), and Black gods (Satan and pals) with Astrology and Alchemy stapled into there sometime in the 1600 to 1700's.
          Protestants and Puritans ejected all this shit. They despised essentially any form of sorcery, magic, miracle-work, mythos, folklore, etc.. Which had it's ups and downs: it fueled the sciencitific method, skepticism, they didn't believe in witch hunts, and emulated a lot of ?modern atheist energy?

          and this is going to sound a little schizo out of context:
          Judaism's specific niche and historical adaptation, and the general body of Abrahamic Religion, feels like it was designed, and has existed, to resist Religious Synchronicity and to protect the Semitic identity. What I mean by that is the overwhelming majority of major Religions and Religious institutions across Eurasia, and even a little bit of North Africa, are all influenced by the omnious & mysterious Proto-Indo-European Mono-Mythology.
          Hindu, Celtic, Druidic, Greek, Norse, Slavic/Finnic, (shit, even Shintoism a little bit) all have varying degrees of Indo-European'ness in terms of tropes, concepts of good and evil, nature, pantheons, and ritual. They're obviously all 'different', but you hopefully get what I mean when I say they all follow very similar packages of ideas and narratives. I don't think that's coincidental.

          Meanwhile Judaism has really managed to cut the fat to try and remove as much of that foreign influence as possible and remain consistent. To the extent where I've heard something like the talmud, and various other pieces of rabbinic literature is supposed to be some of the oldest and consistently copied religious literature around.

          I say all that because there's always been this weird double-think quality of Christianity/Catholicism where it has a very hard-lined, definitive, consistent and well preserved institution in the body of the Catholic Church. That's persisted for thousands of years with little *ammendment. But then you have tons of Christian converts unsatisfied with that: believing, behaving, and contributing to a massive non-canonical expanded body of mythology, lore, etc.
          *Except when it has massive schisms caused by small disagreements boiling into enormous violent debates because Christianity occasionally lacks specific details.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Meanwhile Judaism has really managed to cut the fat to try and remove as much of that foreign influence as possible and remain consistent. To the extent where I've heard something like the talmud, and various other pieces of rabbinic literature is supposed to be some of the oldest and consistently copied religious literature around.
            The septuagint is pretty old yes, but also you forget that Judaism once upon a time used to be a religion that seeked out converts once upon a time.
            >Judaism's specific niche and historical adaptation, and the general body of Abrahamic Religion, feels like it was designed, and has existed, to resist Religious Synchronicity and to protect the Semitic identity.
            Modern judaism obviously has (though it wasn't like this always) , but I wouldn't say christianity, and islam is another dog entirely.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    More like
    >Why do Christians choose to depict their demons as pagan gods?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why do pagan gods look metal as frick

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      because the Gods made heavy metal and they saw that it was good
      they said to play it louder than hell

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    At least they're aware they're worshiping demons unlike worshipers of yahwey who deny his true nature.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Buddhists aren't even pagans. They're non-theistic, basically. All "gods" eventually die, in their conceptions

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you put gods in quotations? Pagans don't all believe gods are immortal. Just that they are some sort of supernatural beings with occasional super powers

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Because whoever made the original post clearly is a Christian, and using that conception of "god"

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just because they look demonic by your standards doesn't mean that they are. Sometimes they make themselves scary to scare actual demons.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Who are the little mongoose fellas in the bottom right, whats their deal?

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The original Buddhism, Theravada, as learned by Monks, is atheistic.

    All other forms are derived from Mahayana, or "the great vehicle (of spiritual doctrine)", which allowed commoners to meld their folk religion beliefs with Buddhism.

    How do you now know this OP?
    It's pretty basic knowledge.

    ...and for you say "no", please understand that your presumptions and what you've been "told" are not the same thing as academic conclusions or facts. Your exposure to beliefs means nothing. All that matters is wide mainstream study.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    anyone who worships the created instead of the creator ends up worshiping demons, knowingly or unknowingly

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They do not worship them the same way christcucks worship yhwh.
    in buddhism "gods" are just non material beings with great powers. local folk traditions might focus on appeasing certain deities to gain their favor and/or avoid their wrath.
    also those demons aren't evil personified like satan is for christians

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Buddhist "King of Hell" is called Yenma/Enma/Yanma in Japan, but its called Yama in Indian/Tibetan buddhists. He's based on the Hindu god of underground, Yama. is the God of death/justice in Hinduism and like wise occupies similar role for the Buddhist traditions. Yama's role is thus that of a gate guardian for the evil people, and thus acts like a policeman for the beings of the world where the good/bad gets sentenced in accoddance. Ofcourse its a metaphorical system in Buddhism, but the point stands, he's not an evil "literal demon" as you make it to be.

    He has similar roles to Heimdall of Asgard's gate guardian, or God in heaven who judges your soul.

    You may wonder and ask yourself, is God evil because he judges the dead? Or maybe asking yourself how is the role split in Hinduism/Buddhism but is unified in Christianity. Simple, Christian God is a collection of pagan god and their powers combined giveth him all sorts of abilities/jurisdition in order to justify his unlimited power.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Worshiping anything is a corruption of Buddhism.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pagans worship demons and the evil figures of larger religions because they’re angsty enby pick-me hipsters that try to be edgy, different, and nonconformist while clinging to the idea of confirming to a group.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Pagans worship demons and the evil figures of larger religions because they’re angsty enby pick-me hipsters that try to be edgy, different, and nonconformist while clinging to the idea of confirming to a group.

        samegay doesn't even know how to use fpbp

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What better way to scare and convince people to not do shitty things?

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    looks like a israelite when you say open borders for israel

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I mean Christians and israelites worship a mule headed desert demon.

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