honestly it's more of n autism thing than a hon thing. also an hsts thing, i can't tell you how many hsts ive met who pass perfectly physically, but putting in the work to voice train is too much for them
"OK tranny subhuman, time for your talking practice. next we'll teach you how to walk 🙂 remember to breathe fem too! if you aren't thinking about disguising your filthy tranniness with every breath you take you should just detrans :)"
IM NOT WALKING DOWN A FUCKING CATWALK
I JUST WANT TO BE A MEMBER OF SOCIETY
I DON'T HAVE ENERGY FOR THIS SHIT IM TOO AUTISTIC
autism is not an excuse
>i want to be a woman in society while sounding indistinguishable from a man
lmao autists are really something else
these people are just lazy. im autistic and it actually helped me hyperfocus on voice training. anyone who doesn't do it just isnt very dysphoric or is incredibly lazy.
when did i say i wanted to be a woman while sounding indistinguishable from a man
i just wanna get ffs and vfs so i can live my life already
fucking voice train in the meantime, unless you already have 8k sitting around, in which case, go get vfs
oh yeah bro
my disorder that makes it difficult for me to interact with other people, including (but not limited to) my ability to control my voice and speech, has NO EFFECT on my transition. It's just a skill issue, clearly I'm just lazy.
Dude I tried voice training and transitioning at my last job but the stress of transitioning as a customer service worker was so overwhelming I literally developed selective mutism (it was often physically painful for me to even finish a complete sentence. even when i was with friends and family my speech was affected and it was hard to finish sentences, i really seriously struggled to speak at all. my speech gradually returned after quitting my job and resting for several months.)
My autism and your autism are not the same. I'm glad your autism isn't hindering your transition but I'm not making it up as an excuse for laziness when I say that my autism has seriously, tangibly created barriers for me in my transition.
Also, people who aren't as good at transitioning as you still have dysphoria. Having more ability to perform your gender doesn't mean you deserve it more. I'm genuinely happy that you aren't having the same struggle as me but all that means is that you should be grateful that you aren't suffering from the same roadblock.
im sorry. i did have a very easy setup for voice training so i am biased because of that. im sorry for not considering your possible circumstances more first. i tend to assume people are like me, or like i was
ive been trying to voice train for a really long time but i can only get out some weird squeaky sounding extremely quiet voice that i have to focus on alot to speak in
ive tried for over a year, i get about a month in and still dont find a different voice and give up each time so i just have to sound like a weird androgyne (which usually just gets read as male anyways)
>i just have to sound like a weird androgyne (which usually just gets read as male anyways)
tbh people have a bias towards gendering a voice female. i was deep voiced as hell but spoke with my larynx raised a bit and got gendered female on the phone by dozens of people, with no one gendering me male
because they don't put in any other effort either. being a tranny is like playing dress-up to them and we all have to play into their delusions or they'll release their testosterone rage.
"OK tranny subhuman, time for your talking practice. next we'll teach you how to walk 🙂 remember to breathe fem too! if you aren't thinking about disguising your filthy tranniness with every breath you take you should just detrans :)"
IM NOT WALKING DOWN A FUCKING CATWALK
I JUST WANT TO BE A MEMBER OF SOCIETY
I DON'T HAVE ENERGY FOR THIS SHIT IM TOO AUTISTIC
No, it raises your frequency significantly. Went from 95Hz to 167Hz. Now, it requires little effort to get into the female range (180Hz+) when before it wasn't possible.
i had ffs and my voice training didn’t work, did it fit well over a year and it’s just shit. so idk it’s not exclusive to hons, but i guess i have the decency to manmode instead
There's gotta be a bell curve with hons and passoids on either ends not voice training. It's really weird. It's totally free and alleviates so much dysphoria, so I don't get why you wouldn't try and learn.
>Why do hons never voice train?
I would guess that trans women who have a real struggle on their hands to pass or ever be able to pass also probably have a lot of dysphoria about it, and if you are struggling with really bad dysphoria, voice training can be extremely difficult because it's a process fraught with dysphoria for many.
I've known pretty clocky trans women (and especially clocky trans men) who have still voice trained to sound fem in calls etc. Having dysphoria and working through it period is pain, but if you never do it you're never going to be able to get over it. It's especially important for heighthons like me bc if I sounded like the burly gorilla I used to sound like I'd get fucking stabbed in my country lol
Because surely voice training would be the difference between passing and not passing to a hon.
honestly it's more of n autism thing than a hon thing. also an hsts thing, i can't tell you how many hsts ive met who pass perfectly physically, but putting in the work to voice train is too much for them
autism is not an excuse
autism is not an excuse
these people are just lazy. im autistic and it actually helped me hyperfocus on voice training. anyone who doesn't do it just isnt very dysphoric or is incredibly lazy.
fucking voice train in the meantime, unless you already have 8k sitting around, in which case, go get vfs
oh yeah bro
my disorder that makes it difficult for me to interact with other people, including (but not limited to) my ability to control my voice and speech, has NO EFFECT on my transition. It's just a skill issue, clearly I'm just lazy.
Dude I tried voice training and transitioning at my last job but the stress of transitioning as a customer service worker was so overwhelming I literally developed selective mutism (it was often physically painful for me to even finish a complete sentence. even when i was with friends and family my speech was affected and it was hard to finish sentences, i really seriously struggled to speak at all. my speech gradually returned after quitting my job and resting for several months.)
My autism and your autism are not the same. I'm glad your autism isn't hindering your transition but I'm not making it up as an excuse for laziness when I say that my autism has seriously, tangibly created barriers for me in my transition.
Also, people who aren't as good at transitioning as you still have dysphoria. Having more ability to perform your gender doesn't mean you deserve it more. I'm genuinely happy that you aren't having the same struggle as me but all that means is that you should be grateful that you aren't suffering from the same roadblock.
im sorry. i did have a very easy setup for voice training so i am biased because of that. im sorry for not considering your possible circumstances more first. i tend to assume people are like me, or like i was
Thank you for understanding. I really appreciate that.
ive been trying to voice train for a really long time but i can only get out some weird squeaky sounding extremely quiet voice that i have to focus on alot to speak in
sucks
Sounds like you tried for less than a week
ive tried for over a year, i get about a month in and still dont find a different voice and give up each time so i just have to sound like a weird androgyne (which usually just gets read as male anyways)
>i just have to sound like a weird androgyne (which usually just gets read as male anyways)
tbh people have a bias towards gendering a voice female. i was deep voiced as hell but spoke with my larynx raised a bit and got gendered female on the phone by dozens of people, with no one gendering me male
because they don't put in any other effort either. being a tranny is like playing dress-up to them and we all have to play into their delusions or they'll release their testosterone rage.
"OK tranny subhuman, time for your talking practice. next we'll teach you how to walk 🙂 remember to breathe fem too! if you aren't thinking about disguising your filthy tranniness with every breath you take you should just detrans :)"
IM NOT WALKING DOWN A FUCKING CATWALK
I JUST WANT TO BE A MEMBER OF SOCIETY
I DON'T HAVE ENERGY FOR THIS SHIT IM TOO AUTISTIC
>i want to be a woman in society while sounding indistinguishable from a man
lmao autists are really something else
when did i say i wanted to be a woman while sounding indistinguishable from a man
i just wanna get ffs and vfs so i can live my life already
vfs only lets you not get deep into male range, pitch is only one aspect of a passing voice and nowhere near the most important.
No, it raises your frequency significantly. Went from 95Hz to 167Hz. Now, it requires little effort to get into the female range (180Hz+) when before it wasn't possible.
And frequency is 40-60% of vocal femininity. Most trannies will not achieve a passing voice without vfs.
i had ffs and my voice training didn’t work, did it fit well over a year and it’s just shit. so idk it’s not exclusive to hons, but i guess i have the decency to manmode instead
Because people said I sounded like Michael Jackson when I tried and now I just try not to talk at all
My voice passed, but then i had life changing trauma and didnt speak for 16 months.
Now i sound very masc, but look very fem. Im SICK of people saying "is that a man or a woman:
There's gotta be a bell curve with hons and passoids on either ends not voice training. It's really weird. It's totally free and alleviates so much dysphoria, so I don't get why you wouldn't try and learn.
what happens if you do try but it doesn’t work?
>Why do hons never voice train?
I would guess that trans women who have a real struggle on their hands to pass or ever be able to pass also probably have a lot of dysphoria about it, and if you are struggling with really bad dysphoria, voice training can be extremely difficult because it's a process fraught with dysphoria for many.
I've known pretty clocky trans women (and especially clocky trans men) who have still voice trained to sound fem in calls etc. Having dysphoria and working through it period is pain, but if you never do it you're never going to be able to get over it. It's especially important for heighthons like me bc if I sounded like the burly gorilla I used to sound like I'd get fucking stabbed in my country lol