Why do commies love the GDR? It was poorer than the west, killed its citizens trying to escape, etc

Why do commies love the GDR? It was poorer than the west, killed its citizens for trying to escape, and kept a lot of fascist aspects from the Nazis.

  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Aesthetics.

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    who lol

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it was poorer than the West
    Even the West/CIA didn't agree with this statement.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm claiming shenanigans, because parity with west germany is simply ludicrous. Outperforming Italy, eh. Actually, isn't Italy a little high?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Italy was fine by the late 80s/90s, northern Italy was almost as rich as Germany

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Preposterous. Italy is never fine. It is a swamp in which no sane man would venture.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Italy in 1991 had the worlds fourth largest economy after U.S, Japan and Germany.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >GDR outperforming western germany and almost all of western europe
      Very subtle tankie lmao

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Italy lower than the UK in the 1980s
      I'm calling bullshit on this whole map. This is exactly when Italy was still doing well and the Warsaw Pact's economic problems were starting to become a publicly acknowledged and debate topic within their countries

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hindsight bias, the post. In the 1980s Nobel Prize winning economists were still predicting the USSR's eclipse of the US economy in the 2000s.

        >GDR outperforming western germany and almost all of western europe
        Very subtle tankie lmao

        The CIA is the most powerful tankie org on earth. I hear in the depths of Langely they have a secret shrine to Stalin where all the glowies go to pray.

        I'm claiming shenanigans, because parity with west germany is simply ludicrous. Outperforming Italy, eh. Actually, isn't Italy a little high?

        >grug mad because preconceived notions of world challenged by fact... grrr...

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Any retard can make a meme image and slap
          >source: le CIA xD
          on it. It seems very implausible and I'm not going to blindly believe some .jpg. I'm going to look it up though.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            The GDP per capita of west Germany was almost twice that of the GDR according to (they even cite the CIA as well, go figure)
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_East_Germany

            >inb4 muh wikipedia
            Still more reliable than you meme pic

            https://geographic.org/wfb1987/worldfactbook87nati.pdf
            >GNP: $174.7 billion, $10,400 per capita;
            growth rate 2.4% (1985)
            I love how people pretend to be ultra critical skeptics the moment that anything differs from their preconceived notions, hyper-analyzing every little bit as though they aren't scared 105IQ brainlets whose world is being shattered by one communist country having a strong economy.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              The reason I'm sceptic is because I know people who have lived there and the economy was one of the reasons why the country collapsed. They also recieved financial aid from the west and there was a huge black market for all kinds of products. Add to that the whole turning-your-entire-country-into-a-giant-prison-to-keep-people-from-fleeing-thing and it's really hard to believe that they were doing BETTER than the west.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >people are susceptible to propaganda
                >sold their nation down the river for some negro music and fizzy corn juice
                Shocking.
                I think the real tragedy of communism's fall is what it says about humanity as a whole. People were given peace, prosperity, stability, all the happy trad families they could want... and they still spit at it. They thought homelessness was propaganda to keep them afraid of capitalism, keeping them from their precious consumer goods which would make them *truly* happy. When you look at globohomo hell, remember, this is the future humanity expressly asked for.

                Why? Do you know what kind of hoops you had to jump through to buy a car or even fucking furniture in the Soviet Union? They were in constant deficit of consumer goods. The only thing they could manufacture well was tanks.

                Tanks are part of GDP. All kinds of stuff which is useless to the average person is part of the Western GDP too. It's a decent statistic, but not without flaws.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a decent statistic, but not without flaws.
                It's absurd. Why not add all the bunkers that Albania built to the GNP and call them the Switzerland of the Balkans.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >People were given peace, prosperity, stability, all the happy trad families they could want...
                Yeah, as long as they said yes and amen to everything the party did and never asked any critical questions. And if it was all just propaganda, why did they have to build the wall? The people were leaving in droves before it was erected and never looked back. Maybe reality is propaganda as well?

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Even if we take those numbers at face value, the GDR was still a tyrannical shithole that jailed and totured political dissidents, had to build walls and mine fields to keep their own people from leaving and collapsed after less than 5 decades. Not really a win for socialists, is it?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Great, now your criticizing it based on fact. This is a good start. Yes, I think that the efforts that communists had to go through to get people to accept their utopia is pretty damning. People don't want good things, and this is the world they asked for. I think the communists should have just let people leave, but let them know there's no hope of them ever coming back. It would be a great eugenic program in the end, the West could have all the scum of the earth and more resources could go towards making healthy, happy generations of model socialists instead of feeding ingrates.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not my system that is wrong, it's those damn humans!

                And since when is an authoritarian hellhole a utopia? Don't socialists usually pretend they care about freedom and democracy?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, the average human is scum. Go talk to the average person and disagree if you want, but you'd just be bullying yourself at that point.
                >Don't socialists usually pretend they care about freedom and democracy?
                Isn't that the mistake that led to the fall of communism in Eastern Europe in the first place? They truly believed that the average person wasn't a shortsighted moron who could be bribed into submission with 99c sucrose water buckets. Ffs, Stalin was willing to hand over East Germany if they allowed the communists to compete in fair elections and ensure Germany's neutrality lmao. Fucking idealist lib.

                Learn from the past. China sure did.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ah yes, the socialist finally reveals his authoritarian, elitist mindset. No surprises here. Thank god you retards don't hold any power here.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >meme buzzwords and protestant social teaching
                Is that all you losers ever have? It's no shock that your cultures lack any concept of shame.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          The GDP per capita of west Germany was almost twice that of the GDR according to (they even cite the CIA as well, go figure)
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_East_Germany

          >inb4 muh wikipedia
          Still more reliable than you meme pic

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >UK gdp per capita almost the same as the USSR

      no wonder glown-word intelligence is so bad

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >1985
        I'd believe it

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why? Do you know what kind of hoops you had to jump through to buy a car or even fucking furniture in the Soviet Union? They were in constant deficit of consumer goods. The only thing they could manufacture well was tanks.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Have you looked at what UK wages are like?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it's real (aside from Portugal which was edited for memes)
      what the fuck was the CIA smoking?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Generally, intelligence agencies try not to succumb to normie propaganda and biases, or they'd suck at their job. Underestimating (or overestimating) your enemy is a retarded mistake. The CIA has other such classics as the average Soviet eating a better diet than the average American, pretty funny tbh.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >average Soviet eating a better diet than the average American
          Wasn't that true if you consider sugar and junk food as negatives?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You know western academia and intelligence had the remarkable habit of taking the official eastern bloc numbers for real even though they were totally made up?:
      http://von-der-lippe.org/dokumente/statistics_gdr.pdf
      (summary of a longer report by a german professor of statistics on east german economic statistics)

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      The CIA is not to be trusted when providing statistics about the Eastern Bloc. They routinely over estimated capabilities to justify their own budget and general governmental corruption (eg the air force's budget)

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >being relatively prosperous until adopting free market and then collapse and never recover.
      Pizza hut bros, I thought we had an objectively better system...
      >b-b-but they are over estimatin-
      I think righties seem to forget why they were called the second world.
      >my system is better even though it's built on 300 year old power structures,
      nice confirmation bias there free marketards.

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that East Germany was so shitty that...

    >There was a massive workers protest and uprising against their new soviet overlords which was brutally suppressed (typical communist hypocrisy)

    >by 1961 20/TWENTY percent had fled to the west

    >The Commies experienced such a drain that they had to build a fucking wall to keep their people

    >still people would rather brave that murder gauntlet than live in a communist shithole (most of these were working class btw. Nice utopia homosexuals)

    >for all the “USA CIA PUPPET!” Shit trannypol says, DDR has no sovereignty and were puppets of Moscow. Their leader even made out with Brezhnev like the good little cuck he is

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >righties would risk dying to get some pizza hut because they believe in muh god retardation
      being rightwing is a mental illness

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fall of the DDR in 1989 directly led to the development of modern, soulless, globohomo Germany. Better to be poor and keep your national identity rather than end up like "Strong United Germany" has in our timeline.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anne?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s aight bro

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Leftists are completely retarded.

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was a bastion of socialism and democracy in the heart of Europe. Where everyone had a job and a home and there was no war.
    Unlike West Germany, which is ruled by neonazis to this day, where prostitution, fascism, militarism, drug abuse, exploitation, racism, Zionism, colonial grip on Greece, pornography and bourgeois tyranny rule.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Unlike West Germany, which is ruled by neonazis to this day

      That's a weird kind of Neo-Nazism they practice there

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Gladio agents and slave labourers for German capitalists.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Its capitalistic as fuck sure, but its not Nazi. West German culture is ethnically masochistic to an insane degree.

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