Why do christcucks worship Jesus as God? It is ridiculous to worship a man as God. It's like worshipping some cultleader as God. Even if they believe Jesus is the incarnation of God, shouldn't they worship that God instead, and not the incarnation?
Why do christcucks worship Jesus as God? It is ridiculous to worship a man as God.
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Unitarianism is the only christian position that makes sense
That said Islamic christology makes the most sense, especially if you don't read the Quran denying crucifixion.
Because He is God's son. If you had a king and he had a prince who would rule over your children, would you treat him as the king?
Is your son you? Retard.
He's also the Son of David, the Son of Man, etc. Methinks all these epithets are just metaphor and not to be taken so literally. In any case it is clear that a son should be subordinate to a father.
And?
>according to John
Absolute cope. He traces him back to David through Joseph his father.
>according to Matthew.
You don't know your source and confidently attack that which you clearly don't understand or even have a base knowledge.
and the people are subordinate to the royalty.
God is one though, just like a King is one. Otherwise it would be "gods" and christcuckery would be polytheist.
>And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one [is] good except one—God;
Mark 10:18
Jesus made sure everyone knew he was not God. But trinitarians refuse to believe him.
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that christianity is just the inability to understand logic. In that passage Jesus clearly indicates a logical separation between himself and God. Christians are unable to register this.
>I'm becoming increasingly convinced that christianity is just the inability to understand logic. In that passage Jesus clearly indicates a logical separation between himself and God. Christians are unable to register this.
I find it bizarre. They usually twist this one into "well Jesus was just interrupting the man to make sure everyone knew he was correct in calling him good; because he's God". It's just beyond...
He was clearly correcting the man.
Christ is begotten of the Father in time but before the creation of the world. Prov. 8:22-31, John 5:26, John 1:18(ONLY) and 3:16, 18, Rev. 3:14, Col. 1:18, John 5:18, Rom. 8:3, 32, John 1:1, 10, 14, Col. 1:15, Heb. 1:2
Elohim does not necessarily mean the almighty. Exo. 7:1, 21:6, 22:8, 9, Deut. 10:17, 1 Sam. 2:25, Psa. 45:6, 7, 82:1, 82:6, 136:2, 138:1
Christ is not cardinally identified with the father but nominally as his representation and image on the earth. Heb. 1:3, Exo. 23:21, John 5:43, 1 Cor 10:4, John 1:1, Mat. 26:26, Col. 1:15
Christ’s receiving glory and worship is something bestowed on him by the father as his inheritance. It is not his by nature or hypostatic union. Mat. 28:18, 1 Cor. 15:27-29, John 3:35, Heb. 1:4
There is no scripture support for the idea that God can only glorify himself and never a created being.(Rom. 9:20-21, 1 Chron. 29:20)
Whenever Christians are confronted with scriptural texts that refute the deity of Christ they will claim that these texts only refer to the Human Nature of Christ not his Divine Nature, pace the Hypostatic Union. The Hypostatic Union is refuted in my John 1:14 (ἐγένετο) Debunks The Hypostatic Union, my 130 Reasons, Theses #s 15-20, 25(distribution), 26(2 in 1 or 1 in 2?), 28, 32, 35(bribe), 36, 37, 38, 39(immutability), 43-44 (distribution in atonement), 45(generic humanity reification), 47, 59(denies penal sub) and my An Encyclopedia Index for Debating Eastern Orthodox Apologists, pages 5-8.
Many Christian Theologians will attempt to make scriptural texts that clearly affirm the supremacy of the Father over the Son (such as John 14:28) refer to the Economy of Salvation; that the Father is only superior to the Son, not ontologically, but in the order of the Economy of Salvation. This distinction between the Ontological and Economic Trinity is denied in the Latin Filioque as I demonstrated in my A Unitarian Explanation of the Holy Spirit. It is also denied in the East’s doctrine of the divine energies which become an eternal economy, being then no economy at all. David Bradshaw says,
“Ultimately it was decided that there is an uncreated light and that it is simply the visible form of the divine energy. This means that the divine energy is present in some form with the godhead from all eternity, quite independently of the act of creation. That in turn implies that the divine energy is not (as one might otherwise be tempted to suppose) simply the way in which God manifests himself to creatures. ” (The Concept of the Divine Energies, pg. 14)
The 381 conflation of the being of the Father with that of the Son also contradicts the eternal generation of the Son as then no being would be generated at all. Thus, their entire approach to John 14:28 is moot.
from https://southernisraelite.wordpress.com/2021/03/04/the-five-primary-refutations-of-the-deity-of-christ/
worthless, incomprehensible assbbable
Jesus never denied being God. It's easy to interpret it as if Jesus wasn't God, but that's simply not the case and inconsistent with what Jesus said other times.
Jesus denied being God.
Mr 13:32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mt 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
Joh 7:16 So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me;
>Mr 13:32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
>Mt 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
israeli tradition.
>Joh 7:16 So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me;
And...?
>cites Gospel of John but prob never even read it
John 10, 30: "I and the Father are One."
Can be interpreted in many ways.
Where does that say he is god? How are either Christ, the Son of the Blessed, or the Son of Man God? Are you functionally illiterate?
"I watched in the night visions, / And there with the clouds of heaven / One like a Son of Man was coming; / And He came to the Ancient of Days, / And they brought Him near before Him. And to Him was given dominion, glory, and a kingdom, / That all the peoples, nations, and languages might serve Him. / His dominion is an eternal dominion, which will not pass away; / And His kingdom is one that will not be destroyed." (Daniel 7:13-14)
Where does it say this "Son of Man" (capitals not in the original) is god?
"Your right hand, O Jehovah, is glorious in power; / Your right hand, O Jehovah, dashed the enemy in pieces." (Exodus 15:6)
"And he said, Jehovah came from Sinai, / And He dawned upon them from Seir; / He shined forth from Mount Paran, / And He approached from the myriads of holy ones; / From His right hand a fiery law went out to them." (Deuteronomy 33:2)
"Wondrously display Your lovingkindness, / You who save by Your right hand / Those who take refuge in You from them who rise up against them." (Psalms 17:7)
"Now I know / That Jehovah saves His anointed; / He will answer him from His holy heaven / With mighty acts of salvation from His right hand." (Psalms 20:6)
"As Your name is, O God, / So is Your praise / Unto the ends of the earth; / Your right hand is full of righteousness." (Psalms 48:10)
None of these random verses show that Jesus is God.
They all do if you read them with Jesus’ testimony before the Sanhedrin
"Why do You withdraw Your hand, even Your right hand? / Bring it forth from the midst of Your bosom; destroy them." (Psalms 74:11)
"Then I said, This is my infirmity; / But I recall the years of the right hand of the Most High." (Psalms 77:10)
"And He brought them forth to His holy border, / The mountain, which His right hand had acquired." (Psalms 78:54)
"Sing to Jehovah a new song, / For He has done wonderful things. / His right hand and His holy arm / Have accomplished salvation for Him." (Psalms 98:1)
"Let Your hand be upon the man of Your right hand, / Upon the son of man whom You have strengthened for Yourself;" (Psalms 80:17)
"Jehovah declares to my Lord, / Sit at My right hand / Until I make Your enemies / Your footstool." (Psalms 110:1)
"The voice of rejoicing and salvation / Is in the tents of the righteous. / The right hand of Jehovah does valiantly; The right hand of Jehovah is exalted; / The right hand of Jehovah does valiantly." (Psalms 118:15-16)
"Though I walk in the midst of trouble, / You will preserve me; / Against the wrath of my enemies You will stretch out Your hand, / And Your right hand will save me." (Psalms 138:7)
"Do not be afraid, for I am with you; / Do not be dismayed, for I am your God. / I will strengthen you; surely I will help you; / Surely I will uphold you with the right hand of My righteousness." (Isaiah 41:10)
"Thus says Jehovah to His anointed, / To Cyrus, whose right hand I have grasped, / To subdue the nations before him; / And I will loosen the loins of kings; / To open before him double doors / So that the gates will not be shut:" (Isaiah 45:1)
"Indeed, My hand laid the foundations of the earth, / And My right hand spread out the heavens; / When I call to them, / They stand together." (Isaiah 48:13)
What does "right hand" have to do with Jesus being god? Ok you ctrl+f'd "right hand" in the Old Testament, whoopdiefuckingdo, not an argument.
Here’s some things about the most high God coming to his people in a cloud.
"And Jehovah went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them on the way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might go by day and by night." (Exodus 13:21)
"And as Aaron spoke to the whole assembly of the children of Israel, they looked toward the wilderness, and there the glory of Jehovah appeared in the cloud." (Exodus 16:10)
"And Moses went up to the top of the mountain, and the cloud covered the mountain. And the glory of Jehovah settled on Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days; and on the seventh day He called to Moses out of the midst of the cloud. And the appearance of the glory of Jehovah was like consuming fire on the top of the mountain to the eyes of the children of Israel. And Moses entered into the midst of the cloud and went up on the mountain; and Moses was on the mountain forty days and forty nights." (Exodus 24:15-18)
"And whenever Moses entered the tent, the pillar of cloud would descend and stay at the entrance of the tent, and Jehovah would speak with Moses. When all the people saw the pillar of cloud standing at the entrance of the tent, all the people would rise up and worship, every man at the entrance of his tent. And Jehovah would speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his companion. And Moses would return to the camp, but his attendant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart out of the tent." (Exodus 33:9-11)
lmao so now he's moved on from right hands to clouds. Pathetic
Didn't know YHWH was a rain god btw
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"Then the cloud covered the Tent of Meeting, and the glory of Jehovah filled the tabernacle. And Moses was not able to enter the Tent of Meeting, because the cloud settled on it and the glory of Jehovah filled the tabernacle." (Exodus 40:34-35)
"And Jehovah said to Moses, Tell Aaron your brother that he shall not enter at just any time into the Holy of Holies inside the veil before the expiation cover, which is upon the Ark, lest he die; for I will appear in the cloud over the expiation cover." (Leviticus 16:2)
“And the cloud of Jehovah was over them by day when they set out from the camp." (Numbers 10:34)
"And on the day that the tabernacle was set up, the cloud covered the tabernacle, the Tent of the Testimony; and in the evening it was like the appearance of fire over the tabernacle until morning. So it was always; the cloud covered it by day, and the appearance of fire by night. And whenever the cloud was taken up from over the tent, then after that the children of Israel set out; and in the place where the cloud settled, there the children of Israel encamped. At the commandment of Jehovah the children of Israel set out, and at the commandment of Jehovah they encamped; as long as the cloud settled upon the tabernacle, they remained encamped. Even when the cloud extended its time over the tabernacle for many days, the children of Israel kept the charge of Jehovah and did not set out. If sometimes the cloud was upon the tabernacle a few days, according to the commandment of Jehovah they remained encamped; then at the commandment of Jehovah they set out. If sometimes the cloud remained from evening until morning, when the cloud was taken up in the morning, they set out; or if it remained a day and a night, when the cloud was taken up, they set out. Whether it was two days or a month or a longer time that the cloud extended its time over the tabernacle and settled above it, the children of Israel remained encamped and did not set out; but when it was taken up, they set out. At the commandment of Jehovah they encamped, and at the commandment of Jehovah they set out. They kept the charge of Jehovah according to the commandment of Jehovah through Moses." (Numbers 9:15-23)
"And Jehovah came down in the cloud and spoke to him, and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and put Him upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, but they did not do so again." (Numbers 11:25)
"And they will tell the inhabitants of this land. They have heard that You, Jehovah, are in the midst of this people; for You, O Jehovah, are seen in plain sight, and Your cloud stands over them, and You go before them in a pillar of cloud by day and in a pillar of fire by night." (Numbers 14:14)
"These words Jehovah spoke to all your congregation on the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the deep darkness, with a great voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them upon two tablets of stone and gave them to me." (Deuteronomy 5:22)
"And Jehovah appeared in the tent in a pillar of cloud; and the pillar of cloud stood over the entrance of the tent." (Deuteronomy 31:15)
"He covers the face of His throne; / He spreads His cloud over it." (Job 26:9)
You're not convincing anyone with your spam.
It’s necessary for everyone to see Jesus in the Old Testament according to the things he said about himself. Jesus is the son of man (Daniel 7:13-14). He sits at the right hand of God most high (Psalm 110:1 and various others demonstrate God’s right hand is more powerful than anything). Jesus is coming with the clouds of heaven (from Exodus to 1 Kings are numerous instances of the cloud of God most high leading the people of Israel and appearing for everyone to see). Hence, the High Priest exclaimed blasphemy upon Jesus’ testimony. Everything he said he could do was a divine prerogative.
None of that shows Jesus is god. You can dance and pilpul all you want, but you've failed to demonstrate that Jesus is god.
More about clouds
"And when the priests came out of the Holy Place, the cloud filled the house of Jehovah; And the priests were not able to stand and minister because of the cloud, for the glory of Jehovah filled the house of Jehovah." (1 Kings 8:10-11) Recovery Version
"Jehovah is long-suffering and great in power / And will by no means clear the guilty. / Jehovah — His way is in the whirlwind and in the storm, / And the clouds are the dust of His feet." (Nahum 1:3)
Clouds are irrelevant. Yeshua is not god. Cope.
This seems to be correct since Jesus declared himself not to be God hundreds of times in the Bible. He was even accused of being God by people who wanted to stone him. He didn't agree with them, though. Instead he defended himself explaining "are you not gods too?" -- in reference to Psalm 82. Why would you just say yeah, get over it, I'm God.
Because he wasn't God. And he constantly had to explain that to people. Yet so many Christians today refuse to believe him still.
"You, by Your hand, / Have dispossessed nations, but You have planted our fathers; / You afflicted peoples, but You spread our fathers forth. For they did not possess the land by their sword, / Nor did their arm save them; / Rather it was Your right hand and Your arm, / And the light of Your countenance; / For You delighted in them." (Psalms 44:2-3)
This is that one that was ripped off from the Ugaritic Baal Cycle, right?
"My soul pursues after You; / Your right hand upholds me." (Psalms 63:8)
"I wipe my ass with my right hand." (Psalms 69:1)
>Before Abraham was, I AM
this kills the JW
Yeah he said that he was anointed before Abraham, so what? It's a little chilly today -- you know who's cold, I am.
Whoops, I guess I'm god now. Let's just disregard the fact that I said I'm not God hundreds of times before this very common turn of phrase that many people used in the Bible.
Wow what he said was so meaningless that israelites wanted to kill him for blasphemy
When did he say he was god?
1 Cor 10:9
The entirety of chapter 1 of John
He himself says it to Philip "Who sees me, sees the Father...I am in the Father and the Father is in me (John 14:9-10).
God's attribute I AM Jesus takes for himself in Jn 8.24, 28, 58; 13.19. This is because being itself (ipsum esse) is a property of God, and it expresses Jesus' eternity and divinity.
Christ does not 'become' as contingent beings do (Jn 1.3)
Further, "Whatever he [referring to the Father] does, that the Son does likewise" (5.19); "For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself" (5.26) Thus, the Son and Father both are not a participated life. "That we may be in his true Son, Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life". (1 Jn 5.20).
If you deny this overwhelming evidence, then you obviously have motive for denying trinitarian beliefs. If I had to guess, you're probably one of the JWs on this board.
>He himself says it to Philip "Who sees me, sees the Father...I am in the Father and the Father is in me (John 14:9-10).
So if I say "God is in me" that means I'm God? That's wrong.
Well, if you fulfill 300 prophecies that are hundreds of years old, perform miracles including giving sight to a boy blind from birth, and then are murdered but raised from the dead and seen by at least 500 people, I might listen to you.
Anon I don’t know if you’ve read a lot of writings from the Roman world but a lot of guys were claimed to have divine powers and performed miracles. It’s not actually true.
Jesus also says "and you shall be sons of the Most High" - according to your logic that means everyone can be a Son of God, therefore everyone is God.
>what? It's a little chilly today -- you know who's cold, I am.
That's not the same. The object of the verb is "cold", therefore the verb is transitive in your sentence. However, in Jesus' sentence there was no object for the verb "am", making it intransitive.
"But He was silent and did not answer anything. Again the high priest questioned Him and said to Him, Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am. And you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven. And the high priest, tearing his garments, said, What further need do we have of witnesses? You heard the blasphemy! How does it appear to you? And they all condemned Him as being worthy of death." (Mark 14:61-64)
Sorry but he said hundreds of times he wasn't gone. He said The father is greater than him, in fact. He said that he does nothing on his own initiative but only the will of the Father. This is not equality as God.
>He said The father is greater than him, in fact. He said that he does nothing on his own initiative but only the will of the Father. This is not equality as God.
Jesus was being humble and submissive.
Whether or not he's calling himself God in this sentence divorced from context is entirely dependent on intonation and delivery. This is because you're posting it in English, a language that he didn't speak and didn't exist yet. It can be translated multiple ways, including:
>Why are you calling me good? Nobody is good except for God. (Implying he's not God)
>And why do you think you call me good? For only God is good. (Implying he is God)
The sentence only says true goodness necessitates Godhood, and for him to truly be good he must be God, but he doesn't actually say in what you posted whether he's confirming or denying his goodness and what must subsequently come from that.
Why do pagans worship sky as god? It is ridiculous to worship an object as a god and I am an insensitive idiot who does not have any charitability in my pockets. It's like worshipping some temple as god. Even if they believe sky is the abode of dyeus pater, shouldn't they worship that god instead, and not the incarnation? I like to call peoples' beliefs ridiculous because i have no respect for anything in my life, I am an insufferable person.
Sky, sun, wind etc. is actually real
and Jesus was a historical figure.
>he didnt exist
fringe theory, he did exist one way or another.
Jesus is gone, the sky is still here.
The Apostles worshipped him in the Bible and so do we.
>Even if they believe Jesus is the incarnation of God, shouldn't they worship that God instead, and not the incarnation?
God and the human nature of Jesus are united and Jesus has the properties of both so it is good to worship him just like the Apostles did.
They didn't worship him as God. Where it says "they worshipped him" in English the original Greek is more like "they bowed down to him"
Jesus is the magic israelite sent by the israelite in the sky to be sacrificed to save the israelites from being israeliteed by the magic sky israelite.
"Son of Man" means God in the flesh. Jesus is God. Someone had to take the on the curse placed on humanity and only God can do that. Jesus is the salvation. Jesus is the resurrection. God wanted to save the world (inhabitants) so he got down and did it himself. Jesus Christ is my Lord because whatever he has done, God cannot come after me for anything. The heart of God is that he would lay down his life for me. That's so profound, right? Isn't that OD? It must be foolishness to the world but it is evident that it is God that paves the way for the understanding of his ways.
Yeah and while he was at it laid down some rules about homosexualry
Sexuality is an earth thing. You will be like the angels in heaven that there is no marriage or anything like that but distorting the image of God on Earth, surely it cannot be wise.
The priests were offended for a reason. God in his fullness dwelling in flesh. What a deep spiritual mystery. Jesus wants to reveal himself to you directly that God has an identity in him. Touch this reply and hold for 5 seconds. Let Jesus touch you himself. Thank you Jesus that this is done.
>Jesus wants to reveal himself to you
No thanks, I'm not gay and I'm grossed out by mutilated dicks
>"Son of Man" means God in the flesh.
How so?
>Jesus is God.
Prove it.
>Someone had to take the on the curse placed on humanity and only God can do that. Jesus is the salvation. Jesus is the resurrection. blah blah blah
Take your pills, please.
Read Daniel for God’s sake.
God is triune.
Jesus has two natures.
It is a paradox, but a truth; in all other religions, the humanized gods are aloof from mortals in the long run but it is the abstract and impersonalized God who forges personal connections.
Zeus fucks women and kills men; but did he ever really love?
Odin is wise, and Thor brings thunder; but who among the Aesir ever bled as we did?
Only the inscrutable YHWH has condescended to experience what his creations have experienced. He eats, not ambrosia and nectar, but bread and wine, with his friends, his apostles, with his own flesh and blood mother. He spoke to us with words of succor, not of carnal desires. He suffered, he broke, he screamed, he expired, as all men must. And even then He helped Man. Has any other god done such a thing? Has any other god THOUGHT of doing such a thing? No god has ever suffered with mankind as God has suffered.
This is the great mystery: God shouldering the weight of the suffering that on the Final Day, none could rebuke him and say "Who are you to judge the world? What do you know of injustice? What do you know of sickness, torture, poverty? What do you know of death? How dare you call yourself righteous?" He can because HE KNOWS.
>but who among the Aesir ever bled as we did
Odin, when he hung himself from a tree as a sacrifice to himself.
Odin hung himself so he could obtain personal knowledge about how he could avoid dying during Ragnarokr, and the whole sequence is very likely a Christian interpolation by Snorri Sturlusson, having no solid attestations prior to the 1100s. He was also at no point a human being during the ordeal, and suffered and died no more than Zeus giving birth to Athena fully-formed from his skull.
Not exactly the same as suffering the grossest indignities of mankind to the last measure on their own level.
>the whole sequence is very likely a Christian interpolation by Snorri Sturlusson, having no solid attestations prior to the 1100s
Yet Donar's Oak existed long before.
For one thing, Odin was not hanged on Donar's Oak, he hanged himself on Yggdrasil. Secondly, Thor is not Odin. Thor (Thunorr, Donar) is a variation of the PIE Perkwunos, and cognate with Slavic Perun and Greek Poseidon, all of which are thunder gods that existed independently of an "Odin" figure, and were frequently worshiped as chief deities in the absence, or demotion, of Sky-Father figures (of particular interest is Minoan Crete, where Zeus was virtually unknown before the Archaic age of Greece). It's questionable whether Odin even existed as a worshiped deity prior to the 3rd or 4th century AD; he is totally unknown among the southern and eastern Germanics (i.e. the Goths) and he doesn't enter documented history until around 600, where he's described as a semi-legendary but wholly human ancestor of Hengist and Horsa.
Still a more legit god than Yeshua.
Odin is literally a rabbi
cope
Let's analyze this non-argument for example.
>He sits at the right hand of God most high
>God’s right hand is more powerful than anything
So he sits on the right hand that is more powerful than anything (the right hand of God ofc). How does that make him God? Are you actually retarded?
He was homeless, ugly, and nothing was written of him in his lifetime, his cult formed decades after, if not centuries, and was rejected by all authorities as not being the israeli messiah or fulfilling the requirements of prophecy.
Tertullian states that Jesus's outward form was despised, that he had an ignoble appearance, and the slander he suffered proved the 'abject condition' of his body.
According to Irenaeus, he was a weak and inglorious man.
In the Acts of Peter he is described as small and ugly.
Andrew of Crete relates that Christ was bent or even crooked.
and in the Acts of John he is described as bald-headed and small with no good looks
..and that's coming from his followers
The cult survives mainly because of the threat of bodily harm on non believers, as well as harsh punishments or executions for apostates, similarly to Islam today.
>The cult survives mainly because of the threat of bodily harm on non believers, as well as harsh punishments or executions for apostates, similarly to Islam today.
This
Only God can take the curse on humanity. God became flesh and that is a deep mystery that only those with the spirit of God… ayayaya
You mean the curse that he himself placed in Genesis?
If he took that curse why is the world the same?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1
“The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 1:14
What makes god, "god", is the fact that he never does anything wrong or morally wrong. We know right from wrong because our all knowing god tells us what's right from wrong, but that all knowing god isn't god because he's all knowing, he's god because he's all right, he is moral perfection, he always makes the loving choice, the selfless choice, that righteous choice. God gives us his word but he follows his own word and he literally is the word. "The word" meaning what's right and what's wrong to do. God literally is "the word". Jesus is "the word" made flesh, made human. Jesus is a human that never does anything wrong. God almighty, creator of the universe, never does anything wrong, even with all of his infinite power he doesn't abuse it. And the holy spirit never does anything wrong, it's always internally influencing us to do what's right, unlike a demon or Satan who would influence us to do what's wrong. What makes all three characters in the Trinity the same one god is the fact that they all three never do anything wrong, they all follow "the word" to the letter, without fail, ever. Think of it this way, nobody on earth is morally perfect, we all mess up somewhere sometime, but Jesus doesn't, and that's what makes him god.
>What makes god, "god", is the fact that he never does anything wrong or morally wrong.
Jesus got angry several times though so he's clearly not god
Cite scripture. Don't take stuff out of context and don't be a troll
>sO hE's ClEaRlY nOt
Shut up idiot
He got mad at his disciples when they asked about the parable of eating with unclean hands, when talking about the leaven of the parisees, and when they couldn't heal the epileptic boy
He started screeching at the pharisees calling them a brood of vipers
He had some gratification out of imagining wailing and gnashing of teeth
Cite scripture instead of being misleading in the way you're describing it. Let's do some Bible study.
“'Philip,' Jesus replied, 'after I have been with you all this time, you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?…. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe because of the works I do.
John 14:8-11
Jesus said "I am literally the same thing as god almighty, and you can know that by the works I do". So he said that, and then he came back from the dead, so obviously he wasn't lying.
“The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 1:14
Jesus was literally gods word as a human. If we took everything good ever told us and programmed a robot that followed gods word perfectly then that would be Jesus. Whatever you think Jesus did to transgress gods word is a misunderstanding on your part.
You know the parts I'm referring to, I'm not wasting my time copying and pasting them for you.
>Jesus said "I am literally the same thing as god almighty
No he didn't
>I am in the Father and the Father is in me
Metaphor, like "in the Spirit"
The whole reason the israelites killed him in the first place was because he was making himself equal to god, saying he's god. So I know I'm not misinterpreting this. If I tell you that if you meet me in real life that you're meeting god what does that sound like? Sure sounds like I'm calling myself god doesn't it?
It really comes back around to Jesus’ testimony during the trial at the Sanhedrin. Anyone who says Jesus is only a man needs to ask themselves how the High Priest then concluded Jesus was a blasphemer. Even if the High Priest and the rest of the israeli authority believed he was a liar when he claimed to be the son of man, they also knew it was blasphemy, because Jesus was saying he was one with God. How does Jesus saying he is the son of man mean he is one with God? Because the son of man "was given dominion, glory, and a kingdom, / That all the peoples, nations, and languages might serve Him. / His dominion is an eternal dominion, which will not pass away; / And His kingdom is one that will not be destroyed."
>Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers
Serve him.—In Biblical Chaldee this word is only used of rendering Divine service or worship. The “Son of man” is therefore here spoken of as God.
See Daniel 3:12,17,28 for a concordance of the Aramaic ‘palach’ and Ezra 7:24 for the derivative noun from the Hebrew equivalent meaning servant. This Son of Man is divine, worthy of receiving divine reverence.
> שמע ישראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד
Indeed.
>Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
Serve does not necessarily mean worship: like the word which has the same meaning in Heb. (עבד), it may be used of obedience to either God (Daniel 3:12; Daniel 3:14 al.) or a human ruler (Daniel 7:27; and the Targ. of Jeremiah 27:6-8, &c.). With the second half of the verse comp. Daniel 2:44, and especially Daniel 4:3 b, 34 b (of the kingdom of God).
Daniel 7:27 is speaking of the rule of the most high, so the Cambridge objection fails there. This verb is really for serving God, and this kingdom that the Son of Man shall rule is the eternal kingdom which will subsume all other kingdoms, dominions, principalities, nations, governments, and authorities. Jesus is the Son of Man (Matt. 8:20, 9:6, 10:23, 11:19, 12:8 (“For the Son of Man is LORD OF THE SABBATH”), 12:32, 12:40, 13:37, 13:41, 16:13, 16:27-28, 17:9, 17:12, 17:22, 18:11, 19:28, 20:18, 20:28, 24:27, 24:30, 24:37, 24:39, 24:44, 25:31, 26:2, 26:24, 26:45, 26:64; Mark 2:10, 2:28, 8:31, 8:38, 9:9, 9:12, 9:31, 10:33, 10:45, 13:26, 14:21, 14:41, 14:62; Luke 5:24, 6:5, 7:34, 9:22, 9:26, 9:44, 9:56, 9:58, 11:30, 12:8, 12:10, 12:40, 17:22, 17:24, 17:26, 17:30, 18:8, 18:31, 19:10, 21:27, 21:36, 22:22, 22:48 (Jesus said to him, Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?), 22:69, 24:7; John 1:51, 3:13-14, 5:27, 6:27, 6:53, 6:62, 8:28, 12:23, 12:34, 13:31). As you can see, Jesus’ testimony throughout the gospels is of the Son of Man. These sayings he spoke about the son of man make it clear he was speaking about himself.
Further along these lines, Jesus also came preaching the Kingdom of God (Matt. 12:28, 19:24 21:31, 21:43; Mark 1:15 (John the Baptist's preaching), 4:11, 4:26, 4:30, 9:1, 9:47, 10:14-15, 10:23-25, 12:34, 14:25; Luke 6:20, 7:28, 8:1, 8:10, 9:2, 9:11, 9:27, 9:60, 9:62, 10:9, 10:11, 11:20, 13:18, 13:20, 13:28-29, 14:15, 16:16, 17:20-21, 18:16-17, 18:24-25, 18:29, 19:11, 21:31, 22:16, 22:18; John 3:3, 3:5; Acts 1:3, 8:12, 14:22, 19:8, 28:23, 28:31). If you can read all these verses, you will learn much, but I am putting them here to actually display that much of the substance of the gospel, for there are even descriptions of the Kingdom of God in Paul's letter's I left out, is the proclamation of the Kingdom of God. Ok. Let's put this gospel of the Kingdom of God together with the Son of Man and both of these gospel themes together with the prophecy of Daniel concerning the Son of Man and his Kingdom. What happens? You see Jesus is God.
Dead israelite isn't god. Cope
>muh scripture
Cite the Nicene Creed in scripture
He's not dead though.
Oh really? You see him around recently?
He died and came back to life. That's the whole point of the word resurrection, so he's not dead, he's alive in heaven. Until it's time for.him to show up again
Sure thing buddy, just 2 more weeks.
>he died
How can "literally god" die?
Also where's the Nicene Creed in scripture?
Because he was literally human. Duh. That's the Trinity. God the father is an almighty creator and ruler of the universe and Jesus is also god because the essence of what makes either of them god is the fact that they are perfectly righteous beings.
so he didn't die then, because god can't die
Dude seriously stop being stupid on purpose it's not funny it's just annoying. Find something better to do with your time for fucks sake. Jesus was dead as fuck. You go ahead and get nailed to a cross and have a Roman soldier stab you in your gut with a spear and try to pretend to be dead that whole time. Fucking dumb as fuck for you to try to say he didn't die. You're purposely confusing god the father and god the son with each other. Obviously you can't kill an omnipotent being but Jesus isn't omnipotent. All the miracles Jesus did were done by god the father and Jesus was just like the middle man. Jesus was just a human and his life stopped. His heart stopped beating and he was dead. I shouldn't even have to say this because I know you're being dumb on purpose but I have to say this because I can't just let you say that retarded shit and get away with it
Yeshua the man was certainly dead, but he wasn't god. If he was, does that mean god was dead?
I don't think it's funny to joke about Jesus. I know you know that Jesus was god and that you're just trolling. You've got something wrong with your brain if you don't have a problem with talking so disrespectfully about a guy that took your place on the cross. You should've been the one to get flogged and suffocated to death. Be glad that you didn't have to.
That's not murder. The bible says we're allowed to put people to death for adultery and homosexuality so why not pedophilia? That's not murder, it's a justified killing. Murder is like, when you're jealous of someone, like Elliot Rogers killing girls because he's bitter, that's murder. Killing a pedophile because you caught him diddling your kid is one hundred percent justified in the eyes of god. You're sick in the fucking head for even saying it's a sin to kill a pedophile so I'm not even gonna bother talking to you anymore you sick fuck
Some israelite apocalyptic preacher cultleader wasn't god dude, just give it the fuck up. It makes no sense and there is no proof.
>You've got something wrong with your brain if you don't have a problem with talking so disrespectfully about a guy that took your place on the cross. You should've been the one to get flogged and suffocated to death.
This is a troll right? Otherwise, take your pills.
>Killing a pedophile because you caught him diddling your kid is one hundred percent justified in the eyes of god.
The Bible doesn't say anything about pedophilia. You're not god so it's not your call to make who lives or dies. On the other hand, since you already believe a man is god I can see why you would have this delusion.
Yeshua never told anyone to pray to him. He told his disciples to pray to OUR FATHER who is in heaven.
>cIte ScriPture
Here you go homosexual:
So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated?
Do you not yet understand, or remember the five loaves of the five thousand and how many baskets you took up? Nor the seven loaves of the four thousand and how many large baskets you took up? How is it you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread?
Then Jesus answered and said, “O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him here to Me.”
These are all examples of Jesus getting impatient with his own followers and those around him. This is what "le perfect human" does? lmao
Where's the sin here? Nothing he said here was unkind. His word choice is perfect.
See
Yeshua was just a cultleader
>Jesus got angry several times though so he's clearly not god
As if God never got angry at the Israelites.
If Jesus has ever sinned in his entire life even once then he wouldn't be an acceptable sacrifice to atone for our sins. The reason we need a sacrifice in the first place is because as sinners we deserve to die. God doesn't like sin, he doesn't want to tolerate it, if we commit a sin we don't deserve to be alive. But god is gracious and merciful so for a long time he allowed people to sacrifice lambs in our place for our sins. We would commit a sin and we would repent to god about it and we would sacrifice a lamb, knowing that the lamb was innocent and didn't deserve to die. The lamb wasn't a sinner, we were, we committed the sin and now this lamb is dying so that we don't have to. God is perfectly just, he's a perfect judge and he enforces his laws perfectly, and that means he doesn't just let sin slide for nothing, there has to be a price paid for it, either we die, or a sacrifice does in our place. So what if instead of a lamb as a sacrifice what if we tried to sacrifice a human? What if I decided I loved you and I didn't want to see you die, so I told god that I would die for you so that you could live, but god would say "that's very loving of you, but you're a sinner to, and as a sinner you deserve to die too". See it wouldn't make sense for me to die for your sins because I already deserve to die for my sins, if I sacrificed myself I wouldn't be an innocent sacrifice, I would just be dying like I already deserve to. But Jesus didn't deserve to die, he wasn't a sinner, he never sinned, so he was the only person who could sacrifice himself for us because he's the only person who doesn't already deserve to die. That was the whole point of Jesus dying on the cross, he died in our place. You're a sinner and god should kill you instead of let you live and bring sin into the world but instead Jesus told god that he loved you and he wanted to die for you so you can live.
>If Jesus has ever sinned in his entire life even once
Jesus got angry several times though so he sinned
You're trolling. You're being retarded on purpose. But for the sake of using gods word to shit all over your retarded ass just go ahead and tell me about this sinful anger Jesus had. Where in the scripture does it say Jesus was sinfully angry. Is anger even a sin? If you try to diddle my two year old son and that pisses me off is my anger justified? Because my anger is coming from a place of love. So if I beat the shit out of you until you die for what you did was that a sin? There's nuance to it and the bottom line is that Jesus was god in the flesh and a perfectly righteous person who never sinned and the way you're trying to convince anyone that he wasn't is pure evil. I'm angry right now bro. You're pissing me off with the way you're talking mad shit about Jesus Christ. That's not cool at all. It makes you look like a complete homosexual. Can you imagine having a problem with Jesus? What a homosexual
>So if I beat the shit out of you until you die for what you did was that a sin?
Multiple sins. Thou shalt not murder
>Because my anger is coming from a place of love.
lmao this is how psycho childbeaters and wifebeaters justify themselves
christcucks to the lions
So when you try to imply that Jesus wasn't a perfect person like
>Oh he got angry
You're just plain wrong, because that would defeat the whole point of his sacrifice on the cross. If he was a sinner then his sacrifice didn't count for anything, because sinners already deserve to die. But he wasn't a sinner, he was innocent, he never did anything wrong in his entire life, and none of us can say that. Can you imagine being a perfect person who never did anything wrong and people expect you to die for them? You might feel like "fuck you, do better. It's not my fault you're a sinner" but Jesus loves us so he willingly and gladly took a flogging and a crucifixion and all the humiliation for us.
If you lived a sinless life you would feel like "why should I die for something you did wrong?" But Jesus did that for us. And the fact that Jesus is sinless is what makes him god. Can you imagine a god then makes mistakes? Or a god that sometimes chooses evil? No. What makes god, god, is that he never does wrong. Jesus never makes a mistake. Jesus is the word made flesh, he is the human representation of everything good. He is the perfect role model for us to follow. Jesus is god as a human.
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There's nothing wrong with being angry. There's righteous anger.
anger is one of the seven deadly sins
Not righteous anger. People who think anger is always sinful are self-righteous holier than thou type of people.
People who think their anger is righteous are self-righteous holier than thou type of people.
Anybody would know that anger is right sometimes. What if you're angry to a criminal or something? Nobody would think that's wrong; only someone who is holier than thou.
>What if you're angry to a criminal or something?
Judge not, lest ye be judged. Jesus was also a criminal. He wasn't god though.
Show me where the Bible mentions "righteous anger".
>Even if they believe Jesus is the incarnation of God, shouldn't they worship that God instead, and not the incarnation
They aren't separate.
Muslim detected
Nope
Yep, now go in shame.
Why should one worship Jesus when God is the one they should be worshipping? Even though the Holy Trinity of Christianity states that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one, these are clearly three different entities in one body.
Jesus IS God, this should be obvious unless you are low IQ. Really that simple, and even if you are mentally challenged it is still okay - just confess Jesus as God. Problem?
They are different persons and one being.
Only fools believe in Christ
most wise people believe in god
He also calls the Pharisees serpents etc
Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" - Phil 2:6
Now, case closed.
That's what I thought, christcuck.