They don't. Mary is the symbol of faith, the Church, and Israel all at once. But not the God who redeems.
I won't deny that Mariology can be excessive in some places, but a weak outlook is worse and creates a huge missing piece in other's ecclesiology and Christology. She spent 3 decades with Christ, was the closest human to him, and yet Protestants go out of their way to ignore her. Jesus told his Beloved Disciple as he was on the cross "Behold your mother!" She was the first expectant as the child Jesus was conceived before he came into the world. And she was there in Acts for the birth of the Holy Spirit in the Church. You can't understand either Christ or the Church without coming to understand Mary.
>"Mary, why are you pregnant? I haven't touched..." >"Oh, uh, well...let's see...I mean, it's a miracle!" >"God must have done this! I will tell the others!" >"Yeah...God..."
Because they have a self contradictory faith. They hold to the true faith yet simultaneously hold to doctrine that contradict the foundation of faith and therefore it is destroyed. They believe they are saved through Christ alone But simultaneously believe Mary is her co-redemtrix. These are contrary doctrines that cancel each other out and the false destroys the true.
You're just assuming things.
Praying to Mary is praying for her to ask God on our behalf.
Why? Just check the Ave Maria >Pray for us sinners, now and when we'll die
The Salve Regina >Most gracious Advocate >show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Praying to her is a more human connection than praying directly to God, but it always ends up being a "could you pass this message up?" thing
Why do Catholics feel they need an intermediary to God or Jesus when the scripture says that Jesus is our mediator to the Father? This goes for both petitioning the saints and praying to Mary
Because we quite literally don't feel worthy.
You don't call God: He calls you. And even then, He sends His angels.
The prophets had to deal with intermediaries, how can we get directly to Him? It doesn't make sense.
Why do you feel unworthy? There is always some sense of self flagellating masochism in Catholicism. The angels came to the prophets but Christ introduced the Holy Spirit to us to guide us. We know that we are not worthy but the mercy of God is given to us freely, and that’s the beauty of Christianity. We are not good enough but that doesn’t matter. The prophets of the OT didn’t have access to Jesus or the Holy Sprit
Cope, you aren’t justified by your works. That’s the same mentality of the Pharisees
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Come on, both arguments are based on a false premise, that you can have one without the other.
A faithful person, believing without hypocrisy and cynicism, will have BOTH works and faith.
And, deciding who will be saved and who won't (if any) is not for us, it's a sin of pride and a sin against the Holy Ghost to presume we can do that.
Well, it's not like we DON'T also pray to God or Jesus directly, to be fair, we just don't do it as much as praying for the Saints and Mary to pray for us.
We could get historical, examine it as an offshot of older pagan practices, but in the end, nowadays, does it matter?
Like nobody is praying to the wood representing Jesus on the cross, nobody is praying directly for Saint Cecilia to use her awesome godly powers and heal their sight... ok, that was still a thing even as close as before ww2, but after the war, in Europe, the Church went harder with teaching the Catechism.
People shit all over the Second Vatican Council, but for this specifically, it worked. If people understand wtf they're doing, they can do it better, who'd have known?
>When the time came for her marriage to be consummated, Cecilia told Valerian that watching over her was an angel of the Lord, who would punish him if he sexually violated her but would love him if he respected her virginity. When Valerian asked to see the angel, Cecilia replied that he could see the angel if he would go to the third milestone on the Via Appia and be baptized by Pope Urban I. After following Cecilia's advice, he saw the angel standing beside her, crowning her with a chaplet of roses and lilies
Imagine getting cockblocked by the creator of creation
>NOOOOOOO you can't pray to Mary you just can't >NOOO you can't have nice decorations, let's just sit in a featureless white box lest we get tempted by sin
This is like asking why do protestants love Joel Osteen more than Jesus Christ or God the Father.
Yes, there are individuals in both churches who get carried away in venerating Mary, X saint, Joel Osteen, X trendy pastor, etc.
It is not doctrinal and is a sin of the individual, not of the church.
If you read an example of any prayer to any saint the idea is that you ask the saint to pray for you and present your requests to God. >Akshually protestants aren't technically praying to Joel Osteen, they just think about him non stop and eat up every word he says
I had 12 years of Catholic school and like to think I have a decent grasp of the catechism, but I'm not a believer personally. The arguments against the Catholic church by protties on LULZ are really quite lazy and silly.
It seems to me that if you are going to be a Christian, if you are going to go retard, then it's best to go full retard and go Catholic. Why take half-measures about these things?
Why do Protestants divorce their wives and pray on the toilet?
You didn't answer my question anon kun. Nowhere in the Bible does God tell us to pray to our "heavenly mother"
Implying Catholics never get divorced lmao
Those are crypto protestants
They don't. Mary is the symbol of faith, the Church, and Israel all at once. But not the God who redeems.
I won't deny that Mariology can be excessive in some places, but a weak outlook is worse and creates a huge missing piece in other's ecclesiology and Christology. She spent 3 decades with Christ, was the closest human to him, and yet Protestants go out of their way to ignore her. Jesus told his Beloved Disciple as he was on the cross "Behold your mother!" She was the first expectant as the child Jesus was conceived before he came into the world. And she was there in Acts for the birth of the Holy Spirit in the Church. You can't understand either Christ or the Church without coming to understand Mary.
>Mary is the symbol of faith, the Church, and Israel all at once
Where in the Bible does it say this
I will never understand why Protties seeth so much over Mary.
You STILL aren't answering any of my questions.
Worship of Mary (and you do worship her) is unbiblical
Because they are subhumans.
Because you're a subhuman too.
>"Mary, why are you pregnant? I haven't touched..."
>"Oh, uh, well...let's see...I mean, it's a miracle!"
>"God must have done this! I will tell the others!"
>"Yeah...God..."
Joseph truly was king cuck of the Bible
Joeseph was going to stone her to death for being a whore until an angel appeared to stop him. I don’t know why everyone ignores that part.
Please provide the book, chapter, and verses.
Because they have a self contradictory faith. They hold to the true faith yet simultaneously hold to doctrine that contradict the foundation of faith and therefore it is destroyed. They believe they are saved through Christ alone But simultaneously believe Mary is her co-redemtrix. These are contrary doctrines that cancel each other out and the false destroys the true.
Why do you make shit up and post retarded threads?
Quran has an entire chapter called after her. She's thought of quite highly in Islam, so why not in Christianity as well?
>Why do Catholics love Mary more than Jesus Christ or God the Father
They don't. Next question.
You're just assuming things.
Praying to Mary is praying for her to ask God on our behalf.
Why? Just check the Ave Maria
>Pray for us sinners, now and when we'll die
The Salve Regina
>Most gracious Advocate
>show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Praying to her is a more human connection than praying directly to God, but it always ends up being a "could you pass this message up?" thing
Why do Catholics feel they need an intermediary to God or Jesus when the scripture says that Jesus is our mediator to the Father? This goes for both petitioning the saints and praying to Mary
Because we quite literally don't feel worthy.
You don't call God: He calls you. And even then, He sends His angels.
The prophets had to deal with intermediaries, how can we get directly to Him? It doesn't make sense.
Why do you feel unworthy? There is always some sense of self flagellating masochism in Catholicism. The angels came to the prophets but Christ introduced the Holy Spirit to us to guide us. We know that we are not worthy but the mercy of God is given to us freely, and that’s the beauty of Christianity. We are not good enough but that doesn’t matter. The prophets of the OT didn’t have access to Jesus or the Holy Sprit
>are not good enough but that doesn’t matter
Demonic.
Cope, you aren’t justified by your works. That’s the same mentality of the Pharisees
Come on, both arguments are based on a false premise, that you can have one without the other.
A faithful person, believing without hypocrisy and cynicism, will have BOTH works and faith.
And, deciding who will be saved and who won't (if any) is not for us, it's a sin of pride and a sin against the Holy Ghost to presume we can do that.
Well, it's not like we DON'T also pray to God or Jesus directly, to be fair, we just don't do it as much as praying for the Saints and Mary to pray for us.
We could get historical, examine it as an offshot of older pagan practices, but in the end, nowadays, does it matter?
Like nobody is praying to the wood representing Jesus on the cross, nobody is praying directly for Saint Cecilia to use her awesome godly powers and heal their sight... ok, that was still a thing even as close as before ww2, but after the war, in Europe, the Church went harder with teaching the Catechism.
People shit all over the Second Vatican Council, but for this specifically, it worked. If people understand wtf they're doing, they can do it better, who'd have known?
>Saint Cecilia
>When the time came for her marriage to be consummated, Cecilia told Valerian that watching over her was an angel of the Lord, who would punish him if he sexually violated her but would love him if he respected her virginity. When Valerian asked to see the angel, Cecilia replied that he could see the angel if he would go to the third milestone on the Via Appia and be baptized by Pope Urban I. After following Cecilia's advice, he saw the angel standing beside her, crowning her with a chaplet of roses and lilies
Imagine getting cockblocked by the creator of creation
this has always been retarded, you don't need a mailman to god, you dumbass
It's cute tho, and helps building a feeling of connection with the history of the Church and the Saints.
Why do Protestants hate nice things?
>NOOOOOOO you can't pray to Mary you just can't
>NOOO you can't have nice decorations, let's just sit in a featureless white box lest we get tempted by sin
This is like asking why do protestants love Joel Osteen more than Jesus Christ or God the Father.
Yes, there are individuals in both churches who get carried away in venerating Mary, X saint, Joel Osteen, X trendy pastor, etc.
It is not doctrinal and is a sin of the individual, not of the church.
If you read an example of any prayer to any saint the idea is that you ask the saint to pray for you and present your requests to God.
>Akshually protestants aren't technically praying to Joel Osteen, they just think about him non stop and eat up every word he says
ITT
I had 12 years of Catholic school and like to think I have a decent grasp of the catechism, but I'm not a believer personally. The arguments against the Catholic church by protties on LULZ are really quite lazy and silly.
It seems to me that if you are going to be a Christian, if you are going to go retard, then it's best to go full retard and go Catholic. Why take half-measures about these things?
catholic church are mass murderers