Why didn't locals in central/south America, Asia, Middle East care about their muh ancient achievements and heritage until white archeologists ca...

Why didn't locals in central/south America, Asia, Middle East care about their muh ancient achievements and heritage until white archeologists came along?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Probably because they didn't have the money, time, or experience for a proper restoration, that and its not like this unique to those areas, Euros also didn't give a shit about their local ruins or even outright dismantled them for stone for centuries until they had the ability and time to actually start properly perserving shit

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      or maybe because their descendants didn't actually build them

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        what part of the same also happened in Europe (numerous examples of locals letting ruins fall into disarray or just breaking them down for material in former Roman provinces as an example) did you not get

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >what part of the same also happened in Europe (numerous examples of locals letting ruins fall into disarray or just breaking them down for material in former Roman provinces as an example) did you not get

          To be fair his statement applies to Europe more than anywhere else.
          >Why would we care about these ruins?
          >We didn't build them.
          >Now pray to jesus and pay taxes to the Duke Ottocar II 😀

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Roman inspired architecture from Roman provinces in the Roman empire

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why would Germans feel some deep connection to the ruins built by completely foreign people?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

      There were 100000s of Mayans and they couldn't clear some foliage and dirt? Sounds like an ass pull.

      They just didn't give a shit. They were Catholic and had little scholarly interest.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The average post-colonial Maya was and is a dirt poor peasant who is much more concerned about working and providing for his family than unearthing some old ruins. You talk as if they were in charge of anything or had access to scholarship at all when they were an underclass who were entirely subservient to the hispanic upper classes.
        Them being catholic has nothing to do with it btw, the Maya had a very syncretic religion up until last century (some still do), they prayed to the pre-columbian rain gods and fertility goddess, with a rather light christian theme to it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >They were Catholic and had little scholarly interest.
        Probably bait but in case you're (most likely) moronic, the few classes of nobility that received education in pre-colonial society were integrated into the missions systems and educated further under Jesuitss.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The smallpox crap is fake.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >proper restoration

      haha no the practice actually devastates the real archaeological value of the sites, it's done primarily to drive tourism not for academic or true preservation reasons

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Preservation of historical buildings is a post-war thing, before WW1 cities gladly demolished everything in sight.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The modern world can be so different from the past.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it appears to be a difference of attitude, idk, only the "western" peoples seem to have such an interest in cleaning up and displaying ruins in that manner
    everywhere else in the world their attitude seems to be one, not of forgetfulness necessarily, but of letting the past "stay buried"
    maybe that's wrong and it is just a matter of money and priorities

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >not of forgetfulness necessarily, but of letting the past "stay buried"
      this makes absolutely no sense and is quite literally a perfect example of third world cope

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        what I mean is that they know they are there and what they are but just don't have any interest in digging up and displaying them, in south east asia and india doing such to old ruins in considered taboo even

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    because they realized that large-scale society was a mistake and ran back into the forests. tbh, any sane person who witnessed whole wars over grotesque human sacrifice would have believed the same

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The Maya did not wage wars for human sacrifices and they never "ran back into the forests", the largest city-states in mostly one specific sub-region collapsed, but their society still survived and thrived in other parts of their territory. They were still living in large-scale societies when the spanish came along. Their last cities didn't fall until the late 17th century. At the time of the spanish conquest even the tiniest of Maya communities were still organized and complex. Pic related was a small town of at most 600 people built in the 15th century and only abandoned well into the colonial era.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The Aztec literally preformed excavations and furnishings of older Mesoamerican sites, you see goods from as far back as the Olmec period 3000 years prior being re-intered at the Templo Mayor, but especially at Teotihuacan, where the site was also worked into their creation myths. There's even a Teotihuacano mask that they then dug up, put new gemstone eyes into, and then fell into the possession of the Meidici family in Florence where they drilled holes into it to be mounted on walls.

        because they realized that large-scale society was a mistake and ran back into the forests. tbh, any sane person who witnessed whole wars over grotesque human sacrifice would have believed the same

        I largerly agree with your rebuttal here, but I'm pretty sure Tulum had more then 600 people? I'm not super informed on the site but that doesn't seem right to me, you got a source for that? I do know it was relatively small in terms of being a population center and it was almost more of a trade outpost, IIRC? Or maybe i'm misremebering that.

        Also, while "wars for human sacrifices" its definitely exaggerated as a practice, the Maya did things like Slave raids more then say the Aztec did, but it still wouldn't have been the primary cause for invasions/military conflicts

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I got the Tulum population estimate from The Maya by Michael D. Coe

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            well coe knows what he's talking about so maybe that's right then

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    All these countries aer governed by a white elite who didn't identify with the indians.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    White people are divorced from their ancient past especially thanks to "Dark Ages" Narrative where their intellectuals believed that they were barbarians who have laid low a glorious civilization. The cultural legacy of this mentality bequeathed to whites the autistic need to study said ancient civilization in an attempt to understand something that was dead & foreign to the living.

    Its clinical to them, the past is a dead thing. A fossil to be studied.

    Meanwhile for much of Asia, their past is very much theirs and is intrinsic with their day to day existence. To them the past is a living thing. Imagine being some Chinese or Japanese prior the arrival of western modernity and get told to dig up the remains of the Imperial Tombs for meme studying. Their first reaction would likely be WHY THE FRICK WOULD I OFFEND THE ANCESTORS OF OUR COUNTRY'S FOUNDERS HOLY SHIT.

    This also reflects on Western attitudes towards their identities. A lot of western intellectuals will tell you that their national identities largely emerged in- what- the 18th & 19th Century? Their Medieval & Ancient ages merely explain their identities "evolutionary" origins, like how homosexual sapiens came from homosexual erectus but are not exactly the same. Ask Asian intellectuals- even those steeped in Western academia- when their identities emerged and they'll claim the entirety of their recorded history and even ancient myths, even if their western training tells them otherwise.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    based present priority.
    Whites are currently civilized like always, mestizos are trying to recover from humiliation and Black folk are currently apes like always.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why did you say something that obviously stupid?

  7. 2 years ago
    DoctorGreen

    >why can't slaves do free stuff?
    Think, OP, Think

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >central/south America
    It's probably good that they didn't since the Spanish would've just demolished anything they'd have actively tried to preserve.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Tourism

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Top: SOVL
    Bottom: SOULLESS

    Untouched ruins are peak sovl. Rebuilt ones are crap made up by shitty pro tourism archeologist.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You do know that people were cannibalizing Roman ruins like the Colosseum and Hadrian's wall to build shitty farmhouses?

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because they had nothing to do with creating /building the structures. Their own histories tell you this, but Facebook and Twitter troonys refuse to listen because they only know white man bad, brown people good

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You're an idiot, plenty of Maya sculptures outright list the exact king or noble who sponsored it's construction and the year they were built in stone inscriptions on their walls.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Catholicism.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe we were a little occupied. idk. Thousends of new diseases. Thousends with better equiptment slaughtering everyone. Destroying every building they saw and putting churches. enslaving us and our children. Torturing everyone who didnt accept jesus as its god and savior. Forts getting build everywhere to control the population.
    Beeing forced to work in mines and fields dying in 4-5 years, so many died that they started bringing slaves from other continents because we were dying like flyes.
    Maybe people were a little occupied to make a petiton to the king to restore ruins.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      didn't stop you from having time to sacrifice your own children to the gods

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That wasnt on my continent even.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    People lived in the Colosseum until roughly the same time frame as your photo. To say nothing of the forum or the various littered ruins of temples and basillicas. That's just Rome too.

    Nature is surprisingly quick and always constant.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No civilizations have cared that much until the greeks and the romans.
    There has been a lot of unrecorded history in massive and very important empires, like the ones in the middle east and the mediterranian.

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