Why did westerners overthrow the church and allow themselves to be completely ruled by secular governments when it comes to all types of morality?

Why did westerners overthrow the church and allow themselves to be completely ruled by secular governments when it comes to all types of morality?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People elsewhere were generally dominated by their governments in all matters of morality as well. It’s just that religion was always mixed in with the state.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >overthrow the church
    The church was never a government to overthrow to begin with, save for places like the Papal states that were ultimately defended by secular rulers

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. It was. That’s what happened in the French Revolution.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Church was not overthrown in the French Revolution, the Catholic Church still exists in France.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Christians lost the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars.

          >Catholic Church still exists in France
          No.

          t. live in France

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does it though, considering like 80% of Frogs are atheist?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the clerical courts were more corrupt than the secular, the people hated them and the state hated them for undermining their authority

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Religion is a tool. Once it came to odds with the ruling class, well it's no longer useful.

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      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Early Modern European Monarchs were Marxists
        More you know.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Religion is a tool. Once it came to odds with the ruling class, well it's no longer useful.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because people found out that morality doesn't have anything to do with religion.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [Citation needed]

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because christians are weak, as christianity commands.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >French Revolution overthrows the Church
    >Napoleon tries to play nice with Pope then invaded Rome anyway
    >Bismarck overthrows church in Germany and Prussia
    >Italians overthrow Pope and imprison him in the Vatican for decades
    >Mexico and Spain seize church property and disestablish Catholicism
    I'm sure the Church was a gud boy, they dindu nuffin. Let's ignore all these historically Catholic nations all of a sudden revolted and disestablished Catholic power. I'm sure they had no good reasons.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the clerical courts were more corrupt than the secular, the people hated them and the state hated them for undermining their authority

      >unelected officials who answer to a foreign see and aren't really held accountable by the citizens of the country in which they operate

      These plus people getting sick of pointless religious warfare causing mass disruption and death. The Treaty of Westphalia was a major step forward towards pluralism and breaking the stranglehold of the Vatican through all parties being exhausted by the Thirty Years War and Dutch-Spanish Wars. The French Wars of Religion and conflict in England over Anglicanism versus Catholicism also contributed towards the move towards pluralism and secularism.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Cristero War was initiated by the Mexican government against its own populace. Calles was a retard.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        calles was based and the peasant class deserves elimination through secular employment or death

        mexicans should get a job

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >unelected officials who answer to a foreign see and aren't really held accountable by the citizens of the country in which they operate

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