Why did the Western world uniformly sanction and boycott South Africa until apartheid was ended.

Why did the Western world uniformly sanction and boycott South Africa until apartheid was ended. Then proceeded to never give a shit about South Africa again when it’s become objectively worse and is essentially a failed state now?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Then proceeded to never give a shit about South Africa again
    The same world which allowed Post-Apartheid South Africa to become a member of the G20 and now want to bank roll the country with billions of dollars to help it transition to Green Energy?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >to help it transition to Green Energy?
      haha
      fuckers going to get rolled

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fuckers going to get rolled
        Thought the world stopped giving a shit about South Africa after Apartheid? Why spend billions of dollars on Green Energy in African country?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >if the world stopped caring about South Africa how come they include them in this one minor area of "support" that's actually a predatory lending program meant to enrich about a dozen shady financiers with IMF/WEF ties? haha checkmate

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Green Energy is 'minor'?Its the US,Britain,France and Germany offering the money.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              absolutely.
              giving local elites millions of dollars for windmills isn't the same as "supporting" anyone facing slow zimbabweification. what a silly idea. anon obviously meant political, social, economic, and perhaps military support against the specter of black nationalism and terrorism masquerading as a peaceful political movement.
              if you don't understand this topic, feel free to lurk.

              >humans are known to stay in place in warzones and failed states until it's far too late.
              South Africans seem to be the exception and prefer to stay in a failed state?

              >so you come off as immature and insensitive here fyi.
              Was asking a very logical question on how non-white South Africans without wealth are managing to leave the country.Since people desperately looking to flee a failed state dont hang around to fill out a government wealth assessment and tax bill form.

              are known to stay in place in warzones and failed states until it's far too late.
              >South Africans seem to be the exception
              no, they're also staying put.
              >Was asking a very logical question on how non-white South Africans without wealth are managing to leave the country.Since people desperately looking to flee a failed state dont hang around to fill out a government wealth assessment and tax bill form.
              they do. in the last decade tens of millions of people have been held up by administrative barriers at borders you thought were merely lines in the sand. people at the margins who are already terrified to move even when it's vital to their safety, also face the disincentive of a punitive exit tax that would have made Stalin blush.
              it's your apparent ignorance of this and its effects on human movement patterns that prompted me to call you insensitive. as in, inconsiderate. not really thinking about the circumstances of these people you're trying to compare.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                gving local elites millions of dollars for windmills isn't the same as "supporting" anyone facing slow zimbabweification.
                Its to help South Africa transition away from coal producing which will take years since many thousands of jobs are tied to the coal industry.

                >isnt the same as "supporting" anyone facing slow zimbabweification.
                Huh?What has Zimbabwe have to do with South Africa?

                >Obviously meant political, social, economic, and perhaps military support against the specter of black nationalism and terrorism masquerading as a peaceful political movement.
                This seems like hysteria over on LULZ whenever South Africa is discussed.When last did South Africa experience a terrorist attack?

                >No, they're also staying put.
                So,South Africa is a failed state but there are no migrant outflows into neighboring countries like we see with other countries around which are failed states?Maybe Europe and the US can study South Africa on how they're managing to keep their citizens within their borders compared to other third world countries which sees large outflow of people trying to make it the West .

                >they do. in the last decade tens of millions of people have been held up by administrative barriers at borders you thought were merely lines in the sand.
                Millions of South Africans were stranded on the border with Namibia and Botswana because of administrative paperwork? I've never heard of this nor millions of South Africans trying to enter Botswana or Namibia if it wasn't for tourism or truck drivers transporting goods back and forth.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What has Zimbabwe have to do with South Africa?
                indisputable historical parallels.
                >seems like hysteria
                denialism has no serious place in these discussions.
                >When last did South Africa experience a terrorist attack?
                sectarian violence has been constant since before you and I were born. the ruling party celebrates terrorists & sings songs of genocide. as outside observers, we are privileged enough to admit this without being scared for our own safety.
                >So,South Africa is a failed state but there are no migrant outflows into neighboring countries
                incorrect.
                fist, your premise is in error. massive migrant outflows follow escalation into outright war, they don't precede it. what we should expect to see coinciding with the low-intensity political violence is a small but steady stream of outflows from particularly paranoid people, the kind who leave warzones a generation before the war.
                I think the problem you're having is conflating "failing state" with "failed state." you don't need to reach some arbitrary threshold to advocate for human safety.
                these cautious, initial outflows. this is despite the punitive anti-emigration policy.
                >Maybe Europe and the US can
                no need, they could control inflows but we both know that's not their policy objective.
                by changing the subject you're distracting from the draconian measures used to keep whites inside south africa until it's too late.
                >Millions of South Africans were stranded on the border with Namibia and Botswana because of administrative paperwork?
                at their homes, actually. with their property.
                your deliberate conflation of pre-war and post-war migration, almost makes it seem like there is no impetus to leave. in reality humans are generally bad at getting out of dodge until it's too late, and the nationalist government's punitive emigration restrictions enforce this docility with the threat of resource confiscation. you deny this only because you want to make effective research and advocacy impossible.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >indisputable historical parallels
                Both had white minority rule.

                >denialism has no serious place in these discussions.
                Posting " perhaps military support against the specter of black nationalism and terrorism masquerading as a peaceful political movement" relates to South Africa,how?

                >Sectarian violence has been constant since before you and I were born. the ruling party celebrates terrorists & sings songs of genocide. "
                Which sectarian violence?Where are the internally displaced people who have fled this sectarian violence?Its strange that hundreds of thousands of Western tourists still visit a country where the leadership supposedly sing songs of genocide.

                > outside observers, we are privileged enough to admit this without being scared for our own safety.
                Youre saying South Africans are subject to censorship and can't speak for themselves?

                >first, your premise is in error. massive migrant outflows follow escalation into outright war, they don't precede it.
                The people fleeing to the US/Mexico border are from South American countries in the midst of outright war?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >indisputable historical parallels
                I'm specifically talking about the state-sponsored violence against whites and appropriation of white property.
                >Posting " perhaps military support against the specter of black nationalism and terrorism masquerading as a peaceful political movement" relates to South Africa,how?
                >Which sectarian violence?Where are the internally displaced people who have fled this sectarian violence?
                Denialism has no serious place in these discussions. I don't come here to argue that water is wet, but to discuss the implications. If you are truly ignorant someone will invariably come along and spoon feed you, but you are actively denying reality which betrays your knowledge of the situation and discourages charitable attempts to help you learn.
                >Its strange that hundreds of thousands of Western tourists still visit a country where the leadership supposedly sing songs of genocide.
                It's not strange.You have no reason to say it's strange except to promote denial of reality. Same with your use of the word "supposedly." There are videos of leading ANC politicians singing Kill the Boer. Again you would have me argue that water is wet because you are not concerned for human rights and safety, but only with manipulation.
                >Youre saying South Africans are subject to censorship and can't speak for themselves?
                There are certain chilling effects on speech resulting from the political violence and terrorism they've been subjected to, yes, if that's the way you want to see it.
                , your premise is in error. massive migrant outflows follow escalation into outright war, they don't precede it.
                >The people fleeing to the US/Mexico border
                The scale is not comparable. Stick with Syria and Ukraine, I think you could make more progress clearing up your willful misinterpretations that way. In the event of open war in Mexico the migration would make the current situation look like nothing. I refer you again to this chart

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                >Doesnt seems as if they have it that bad if they prefer comfort over safety.
                then you have a lot to learn. this is what bad looks like, since humans do not give up their comfort until it is objectively too late.
                I suggest you look at the recent escalation in outflows from Ukraine. they did not reach these levels in 2014, or during 7 years of war in donbass, or even in the days leading up to new invasion.
                they accelerated after.

                if you keep believing people who aren't streaming to the border right now are safe, all you'll do is bury advocacy for human safety until it's too late.
                learn from this and change your behavior.

                >But they are allowed to leave the cou try unlike citizens in Stalinist Soviet Union. Just have to pay punitive assessment based on inflated values of property they don't even own.
                extortion. this policy takes natural docility and adds punishment. it's unheard of in modern democratic nations, we should universally condemn it.

                >Yet,youre the one believing the millions of migrants traveling around the globe first paid punitive assessment based on inflated values of property they don't even own.
                what, the syrians?
                no, they did not face these punitive measures like South Africans face, either on the emigration or immigration end. lucky them.

                >white South Africans who have the luxury to stay because they are comfortable
                get off your high horse homosexual.
                have some sympathy for victims of an intentional frog in boiling water strategy enforced with 6- or 7-figure made up tax bills on scared boomers.

                2.5 million in a month!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm specifically talking about the state-sponsored violence against whites and appropriation of white property.
                Where in South Africa did this happen?Is Tucker Carlson talking about white farmer genocide again?

                >Denialism has no serious place in these discussions. I don't come here to argue that water is wet, but to discuss the implications
                Your claiming things but cant provide proof.Instead its some vague/pol waffling.

                >There are videos of leading ANC politicians singing Kill the Boer.
                Old Anti-Apartheid song sung during the 1980's which was subsequently banned since it doesn't have a place in a democratic South Africa. The "Boer" in the song refered to the then Apartheid government not actual white people. The same as the "Death To America " chant refers to death to American imperialism and foreign policy not death to ordinary American citizens.

                >There are certain chilling effects on speech resulting from the political violence and terrorism they've been subjected to, yes, if that's the way you want to see it.
                These same whites who are not afraid to raise their opinion on South African news publication social media sites and mocking the ANC? Have a look for yourself.

                >Stick with Syria and Ukraine, I think you could make more progress clearing up your willful misinterpretations that way
                Okay.So,where are the South Africans flleeing into neighboring countries like Syrians and Ukrainians are doing?

                >2.5 million in a month!
                That's Ukraine. Not South Africa.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The "Boer" in the song refered to the then Apartheid government not actual white people

                I see what you're getting at, and you're probably right that even most of those singing the song didn't literally mean they wanted to kill all whites or all Boers, but to say categorically that "Kill the Boer just means kill the apartheid regime" is too naive.

                It's quite likely that Amy Biehl, (((Melville Edelstein))) died with Dubula ibhunu ringing in their ears. And when anti-apartheid dignitaries from abroad visiting the townships nevertheless had their cars stoned by mobs that had to be quietened down by embarrassed ANC comrades, they doubtless heard that particular Zulu phrase as well.

                It doesn't always literally mean that the person singing/chanting it wants to kill all Boers whites, but kill the Boer is, well, literally what it means.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >had their cars stoned by mobs that had to be quietened down by embarrassed ANC comrades, they doubtless heard that particular Zulu phrase as well.
                The Goldstone Inquiry found the Apartheid government security police complicit in stoking black on black political violence in the townships. Visiting overseas Anti-Apartheid Activists were met with open hostility by the Apartheid regime and were frequently targeted by unknown assailants who tried to intimidate them as they moved around.

                >It doesn't always literally mean that the person singing/chanting it wants to kill all Boers whites, but kill the Boer is, well, literally what it means.
                Blacks didn't go around hunting white people when Apartheid ended.Since it was just a song.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I hink the problem you're having is conflating "failing state" with "failed state." you don't need to reach some arbitrary threshold to advocate for human safety.
                Doesnt seems like South Africa is a failed state since there isnt an ouflow of people into neighboring countries. What is happening is people from other African countries illegally entering South Africa.

                >no need, they could control inflows but we both know that's not their policy objective.
                Both the US and Europe are experiencing a migrant influx from third world. In South Africa there's a third world country which has successfully managed to keep its borders.

                >distracting from the draconian measures used to keep whites inside south africa until it's too late.
                Whats stopping whites from challenging the "draconian measures" keeping them in the country seeing as South Africa has an independent judicial system?

                >at their homes, actually. with their property.
                They're suffering in their air-conditioned homes with swimming pools while watching Netflix?The horror.

                >our deliberate conflation of pre-war and post-war migration, almost makes it seem like there is no impetus to leave.
                Not many want to leave with the high cost of living overseas.If you're middle-class in South Africa with a large home and two cars you're going to have to forgo all of that and dramatically downscale your lifestyle to working class,rent a one room apartment when moving to a first world country .

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Doesnt seems like South Africa is a failed state
                I think the problem you're having is conflating "failing state" with "failed state." you don't need to reach some arbitrary threshold to advocate for human safety.
                >there isnt an ouflow of people into neighboring countries
                these cautious, initial outflows that we observe are exactly what we should expect until it's too late. they exist, despite the punitive anti-emigration policy. that's the point I keep trying to impress on you and you're doing a poor job of contending with it.
                >Both the US and Europe...
                by changing the subject you're distracting from the draconian measures used to keep whites inside south africa until it's too late.
                >Whats stopping whites from challenging the "draconian measures" keeping them in the country seeing as South Africa has an independent judicial system?
                that's a good question. it turns out your assumption about the judicial system is tragically flawed.
                >They're suffering in their air-conditioned homes with swimming pools while watching Netflix?The horror.
                unabashedly, yes. it's horrific. it's as horrific as all frog in boiling water scenarios which history tells us are far too common. the man who leaves a warzone or genocide one day before it's too late will be called insane by those who stay behind. this is a well-understood subject, applicable to all wars, civil violence, natural disasters, military withdrawals, and more. perhaps you should defer to some of the voluminous scholarship on the issue instead of repeating your unfounded beliefs?
                >you're going to have to forgo all of that and dramatically downscale your lifestyle
                yes. not to mention the intensely punitive exit tax based on trumped up assessed value of a home nobody wants to buy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >these cautious, initial outflows that we observe are exactly what we should expect until it's too late. they exist, despite the punitive anti-emigration policy.
                You still haven't provided an example of South Africans flooding into neighboring countries.

                > that's the point I keep trying to impress on you and you're doing a poor job of contending with it.
                How does a country with a punitive emigration policy experience a brain drain of educated people?Doesnt sound too punitive at all.

                >By changing the subject you're distracting from the draconian measures used to keep whites inside south africa until it's too late.
                Whats stopping white South Africans from simply climbing into a car and drive to Namibia or Botswana and from there take a flight to Europe?

                >it turns out your assumption about the judicial system is tragically flawed.
                Can you post an article where the South African government's emigration policy was challenged in court?

                >unabashedly, yes. it's horrific
                Watching Netflix from the comfort of one's home is horrific.Okay

                >the man who leaves a warzone or genocide one day before it's too late will be called insane by those who stay behind
                How does war and genocide relate to South Africa?

                >yes. not to mention the intensely punitive exit tax based on trumped up assessed value of a home nobody wants to buy.
                The South African government are colluding with real estate brokers to screw over white South Africans who want to emigrate?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >people at the margins who are already terrified to move even when it's vital to their safety
                Doesnt seems as if they have it that bad if they prefer comfort over safety.

                >also face the disincentive of a punitive exit tax that would have made Stalin blush.
                But they are allowed to leave the cou try unlike citizens in Stalinist Soviet Union. Just have to pay tax.

                >it's your apparent ignorance of this and its effects on human movement patterns that prompted me to call you insensitive.
                Yet,youre the one believing the millions of migrants traveling around the globe first filled out government wealth assessment and tax forms before embarking on their journey.

                >as in, inconsiderate. not really thinking about the circumstances of these people you're trying to compare.
                Its more inconsiderate comparing white South Africans who have the luxury to stay because they are comfortable to the millions of poor individuals with nothing on their name who have no choice but to leave their failed state countries.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                >Doesnt seems as if they have it that bad if they prefer comfort over safety.
                then you have a lot to learn. this is what bad looks like, since humans do not give up their comfort until it is objectively too late.
                I suggest you look at the recent escalation in outflows from Ukraine. they did not reach these levels in 2014, or during 7 years of war in donbass, or even in the days leading up to new invasion.
                they accelerated after.

                if you keep believing people who aren't streaming to the border right now are safe, all you'll do is bury advocacy for human safety until it's too late.
                learn from this and change your behavior.

                >But they are allowed to leave the cou try unlike citizens in Stalinist Soviet Union. Just have to pay punitive assessment based on inflated values of property they don't even own.
                extortion. this policy takes natural docility and adds punishment. it's unheard of in modern democratic nations, we should universally condemn it.

                >Yet,youre the one believing the millions of migrants traveling around the globe first paid punitive assessment based on inflated values of property they don't even own.
                what, the syrians?
                no, they did not face these punitive measures like South Africans face, either on the emigration or immigration end. lucky them.

                >white South Africans who have the luxury to stay because they are comfortable
                get off your high horse homosexual.
                have some sympathy for victims of an intentional frog in boiling water strategy enforced with 6- or 7-figure made up tax bills on scared boomers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if you keep believing people who aren't streaming to the border right now are safe, all you'll do is bury advocacy for human safety until it's too late.
                >learn from this and change your behavior.
                Can you show examples where South Africans are showing up at the borders of neighboring countries?

                >extortion. this policy takes natural docility and adds punishment. it's unheard of in modern democratic nations, we should universally condemn it
                South Africa is a democratic country. Whites are free to challenge to immigration policy in the courts if they feel its draconian.

                > the syrians?
                >No, they did not face these punitive measures like South Africans face, either on the emigration or immigration end. lucky them.
                Probably because the Syrians are fleeing a civil war and a regime which tortures its citizens.

                >ave some sympathy for victims of an intentional frog in boiling water strategy enforced with 6- or 7-figure made up tax bills on scared boomers.
                Much better than being stuck in Afghanistan under the Taliban or Ukrainians trapped in bomb shelters while their homes are being destroyed by shelling.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>if you keep believing people who AREN'T STREAMING TO THE BORDER RIGHT NOW are safe, all you'll do is bury advocacy for human safety until it's too late.
                >Can you show examples where South Africans are showing up at the borders of neighboring countries?
                this is a stupid response, like you haven't read the thing you're quoting. there, I put it in caps for you.
                besides that, their neighboring countries are: a place that kicked out the whites already, and a place where girls still dance naked before the king hoping to become his 20th wife. the limited options available to s.a. whites looking to flee the obvious and impending collapse of their country should be cause for alarm. foreign countries should assist them in evacuating, and pressure the nationalist government to end its draconian emigration restrictions.
                . this policy takes natural docility and adds punishment. it's unheard of in modern democratic nations, we should universally condemn it
                >South Africa is a democratic country. Whites are free to challenge to immigration policy in the courts [did you mean legislature?] if they feel its draconian.
                it turns out your assumption about both the judicial and legislative systems are tragically flawed.
                >Probably because the Syrians are fleeing a civil war and a regime which tortures its citizens.
                stay on topic please.
                the punitive measures like property confiscation faced by SA's wishing to emigrate should be universally condemned.
                >>have some sympathy for victims of an intentional frog in boiling water strategy enforced with 6- or 7-figure made up tax bills on scared boomers.
                >Much better than being stuck in Afghanistan under the Taliban or Ukrainians trapped in bomb shelters while their homes are being destroyed by shelling.
                then go to a thread about syria.
                your lies and apologia for the nationalist regime have now been reduced to "at least they're not shelling people yet." I think emigrant rights advocacy can begin before it gets to that point.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >their neighboring countries are: a place that kicked out the whites already
                When did Namibia and Botswana kick out white people?

                >foreign countries should assist them in evacuating
                Why?South Africa is a democratic country which isn't at war.

                > and pressure the nationalist government to end its draconian emigration restrictions.
                Cite these draconian restrictions.Isnt it published somewhere?

                >the punitive measures like property confiscation faced by SA's wishing to emigrate should be universally condemned.
                Im sure you will be able to provide examples of these property confiscations.Sounds like a LULZ rumour.

                >hen go to a thread about syria.
                your lies and apologia for the nationalist regime have now been reduced to "at least they're not shelling people yet." I think emigrant rights advocacy can begin before it gets to that point.
                So,you agree that unlike Syria,South Africa isn't in the midst of a civil war and the black government isn't torturing civilians.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >essentially a failed state now

    As opposed to Afghanistan which was showered with billions of dollars in Western aid for nearly 20 straight years and it doesn't even have a functional government?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >showered with billions of dollars in Western aid for nearly 20 straight years
      You mean given to its ghost of puppet state?
      >install corrupt puppet state
      >will immediately collapse because it's completely dysfunction and without any popular support
      >shower it with money to maintain it for 20 years
      >immediately collapses within 9 days of you leaving it
      >somehow shocked
      >B-but sand n-words! They hate democracy! Pislam!

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >South Africa is essentially a failed state?
    Why are there no migrant outflows into neighboring countries and Europe if South Africa is a failed state?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there are
      A lot of white people are moving to western europe

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most Saffers with an education don't go to Europe because these not much going for it and the pipeline to other English speaking states us easier for all of them

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >A lot of white people are moving to western europe
        Emigrating legally.Many do return to South Africa because they felt isolated
        and couldn't stomach the high cost of living in their adopted countries. Why are we not seeing black South African migrants moving to Namibia or Botswana? E.g Large numbers of people leaving their respective failed state countries like Afghanistan and South American states with nothing but the clothes on their backs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      South African passport has terrible access potential.

      Also the South African government literally has laws in place to prevent whites just taking their wealth and leaving

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >South African government literally has laws in place to prevent whites just taking their wealth and leaving
        What?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >South African passport has terrible access potential.
        Not a barrier to people living in a failed state looking to leave.

        >Also the South African government literally has laws in place to prevent whites just taking their wealth and leaving
        Ho do non-white South Africans without wealth manage to leave the country?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      extremely punitive exit taxes not seen anywhere since the fall of the Soviet Union

      >South African passport has terrible access potential.
      Not a barrier to people living in a failed state looking to leave.

      >Also the South African government literally has laws in place to prevent whites just taking their wealth and leaving
      Ho do non-white South Africans without wealth manage to leave the country?

      if you declare no weath they perform a bullshit wealth assessment and send you a tax bill anyway, no leaving without satisfying the blood money.
      humans are known to stay in place in warzones and failed states until it's far, far too late so you come off as immature and insensitive here fyi.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >humans are known to stay in place in warzones and failed states until it's far too late.
        South Africans seem to be the exception and prefer to stay in a failed state?

        >so you come off as immature and insensitive here fyi.
        Was asking a very logical question on how non-white South Africans without wealth are managing to leave the country.Since people desperately looking to flee a failed state dont hang around to fill out a government wealth assessment and tax bill form.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But there is. SA is suffering a massive brain drain. And it's not just whites. Educated blacks are also fleeing the sinking ship.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >But there is. SA is suffering a massive brain drain. And it's not just whites. >Educated blacks are also fleeing the sinking ship.
        Edudcated people always leave third world countries for better opportunities elsewhere.22,000 new millionaires were created in South Africa last year.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >when it’s become objectively worse and is essentially a failed state now
    SA was worse before anon.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you think thats bad? wait until you hear about what they did to Rhodesia!

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know where this myth of South Africa fighting the whole world since the 1960s comes from. Certainly, the Africans and Asians at the UN and liberals hated South Africa, but many Westerners gave Pretoria's arguments for special pleading a respectful hearing, and Western governments mostly saw them as /ourguys/ keeping South Africa safe from the red menace or whatever. Western businesses absolutely adored South Africa because it was seen as very business-friendly, nice natural resources, skilled and unskilled labour, good infrastructure, small but healthy consumer market. American corporations mostly only left in the mid- to late-1980s which was pretty ironic since most apartheid legislation had been abolished by then.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nukes

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