Why did the Spanish empire ended rather soon while the Portuguese remained until the XX century?

Why did the Spanish empire ended rather soon while the Portuguese remained until the XX century?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spanish empire was older, aragonese started to expand in the mediterranean around the 13th century while the canarian islands were conquered by castillians during late 14th century and early 15th century.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nonsense. Spanish Empire still goes on to this very day: Ceuta and Mellila in Morocco, and also the Canary islands, as they were populated when the spanish took them.
    This is why they don't whine so much about Gibraltar these days, they know, it would set up a precendent for Morocco to demand those two small towns.

    France, Spain, England still very much are Empires.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spain is in no way in a position of an empire, currently is little more than a EU region which would fall in a terrible economic crisis withouth their support. They have been going on a slow economic decay, demographic stagnation and political weakness since the establishment of democracy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it would set up a precendent for Morocco to demand those two small towns.
      Morocco already claims them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And Spain doesn’t claim Gibraltar because they have no legal claim to it. It’s not like the Falklands where we straight up invaded and deported the population because it was de facto and de jure (this is still mixed) Argentina’s back then

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Spain can easily, and legally, claim Gibraltar. The English have disobeyed over half the clauses of the treaty of Utrecht, namely where it establishes that the ceding of the rock doesnt give England any territorial waters (which doesnt stop them from dropping cinder blocks into the ocean floor to prevent Spanish fisherman from using the area), as well as them having expanded into the sea by building artificial extensions with sand.
          Not to mention that under the UN decolonisation treaty it is still a colony that needs to be returned.
          I dont think it will happen, but there are certainly legal grounds there.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all property of a german king tyvm

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      Yeah, very german phenotype

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        You may not like it, but this is what a peak performance looks like

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He was the quintessential renaissance prince, he was raised under christian humanist ideas of duty, piety and honor in a time princes adopted Machiavelli mindset. Even to die he was humble and he retired to spend his last days in a monastery to meditate.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ironic considering that Machiavelli himself called his ruthless and pragmatic grandfather Ferdinand V and II the ultimate renaissance monarch

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anglo-American world order + le oldest alliance

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Anglo-American world order
      That didn't really happen until the late XVIII and XIX centuries. Before the British empire there was the French

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There was no relevant french empire ever. Before the english came the spanish, and it was a smooth transition following the late 18th and the ensuing napoleonic wars

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There was no relevant french empire ever

          It was relevant enough to end the Spanish Empire
          Something the British love to take pride in despite having nothing to do with it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Only relevant thing the frogs ever did was rape and pillage their betters
            Looks like the French were the real Huns after all. Sorry Wilhelm

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            By total unnoble ways. By treason. Napoleon asked the Borbon to enter in Spain in ordrr to attack Portugal. TheBorbon agreed (Spaniards did not even know about this).
            Once inside with his troops he went to certain cities and started to attack unarmed civilians. 500.000 Spaniards killed (mostly civilians) and lots of cruel and unmoral actions like profaning the El Cid tomb, the tombs of many of our Reconquista Kingsz even they profaned the tomb of Juan de Urbieta, the one that 200 years previously captured one french king in a battle.

            French napoleonic troops were defeated by Spanish women with pans and knives.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dont be retarded, Pedro

              >By treason.
              Spain wasn't an ally, it was an unreliable subdued enemy

              >Once inside with his troops he went to certain cities and started to attack unarmed civilians.
              Napoleon wasnt there himself, and his armies only "attacked" civilians once they started rioting

              >French napoleonic troops were defeated by Spanish women with pans and knives.
              No, they were defeated by an Irishman once most of the manpower had been removed to deal with the Sixth Coalition in Central Europe

              Your post is Wakanda tier bro

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Napoleon himself said Spain was his ulcer, and the majority of his casualties came from the guerrillas. Cope however you want.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Treason to what he said: "I am going to attack Portal Mr. Borbon". Ok, go ahead. "No, I prefer to stay here to bomb Spaniards". Napoleon was a bastard who used lies to the king in order to destroy Spain.

                Napoleon said in Santa Elena that all his misfortunes came from the Spanish invassion.

                That Irishman almost did nothing. In fact he used the fool tactic of I am going to defend Spain while at the sqme time bombing its industries (lana merino wool industry ended because of him deliberately bombing all the industry. They even took merino sheep to England. All the textil kndustry (the most powerful in Europe at that time)/ aniquilqted because of qnglo envy.

                His battles had lots of Spaniards.
                Lots of Spaniards also battled in their own (they dont appear in the historical news)
                Lots of decissive battles had no English but just Spaniards.
                The kost decissive victories were done by Spanish civilians.
                The concept of guerrilla war was created in Spain. Guerrilla means little war.

                Napoleon army was destroyed by civillians. If we really had an army even if Napoleon came with all his army he would also had been defeated. You seem to forget the big cojones we have always have for 3000 years. Just read our History.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            An empire that lasts 5 years isnt worth considering next to one that lasted 350 years and another that lasted 300+.
            France was the land superpower, but it never had any sort of relevant empire.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >le oldest alliance
      Man thats not an alliance, thats a vassalage relationship that was mocked by persons of the time

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spain lost 10% of its population in the fight against Napoleon + the Brits destroyed all the industry while they were “helping” to further weaken Spain. Immediately afterwards Spain went into a 120 year civil war of changing intensity until Franco finally turned Spain into a modern, stable, and developed state. Spain was in no position to maintain/expand its empire. You have to remember that the Spanish empire didn’t fall because of a slow decline or anything like that but from a destructive and surprise invasion by the French. The Spanish could barely even send token forces to fight against the independents in the Americas due to a destroyed treasury and youth population, not to mention the main army that was organized to retake the America’s revolted and orchestrated a coup. The Peninsular war did much more damage to Spain in terms of population percentage dead and economic production lost than their civil war with tanks and planes with more than a 100 years of deadly military advancement. Before Napoleon’s invasion Spain was still regarded as one of Europe’s major powers. Portugal was able to maintain/expand their empire because they weren’t raped to the ground

    • 2 weeks ago
      OP

      Finally, thanks man

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >from a destructive and surprise invasion by the French
      No, or not alone. The independence wars were manufactured and funded in England, Nappy was only an useful fool for that matter

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        WHich they only did, because the frogs and the spanish helped George Washinghton and his army of farmer's with pitchforks.
        Revenge is a dish served cold.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Spanish could take you on when you were at your full strength. You hade to wait for the Spanish to be completely pummeled by foreign powers. Well all of this is pointless anyway since the future does not look bright for either of your countries and you are at a similar level of prosperity today

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Reject cringe and bluepilled anti-Anglo thought. Embrace based Gallic genocide fantasies as that miserable slop of frogs are responsible for all the world’s ills

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FUnfact, spanish coin still was after the pound the 2nd or 3rd most valued currency until 1850s

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And the Spanish coin was the first currency that the US pegged theirs to

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lusotropicalism.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because both France and England wanted it dead, plus the Spanish were retarded.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Portugal gave all their colonial gold to anglos instead of fighting them over land.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      You are delirious

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >goldtugal

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Portugold

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spanish should have allied with austrians and ottomans

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because a corsican manlet and his french pets took a big shit on Spain in the early 19th century

  11. 2 weeks ago
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    1. THE HISPANOCATHOLICAL EMPIRE LASTED FOR APPROXIMATELY THREE CENTURIES, FROM YEAR FOURTEEN HUNDRED NINETYTWO (1492) TO APPROXIMATELY EIGHTEEN HUNDRED TWENTYONE (1821) —HOW IS THAT «ENDING RATHER SOON», ACCORDING TO YOU?

    2. THE KINGDOM OF PORTUGAL WAS A COLONIAL POLITY; IT WAS NEVER AN EMPIRE.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      True but Spain also held Cuba and Puerto Rico to 1498.
      Guinea Ecuatorial even in 1950s
      And western Sahara has been given for free by our trqitor politicians in 2022.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      >IT WAS NEVER AN EMPIRE

      kek, what?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Masons, unironically

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