Why did the Irish language decline even further after Ireland became independent?

Why did the Irish language decline even further after Ireland became independent? I understand not being able to expand the language across the whole island, but not even being able to preserve the pockets that were still there? They might as well have just stayed part of Britain tbh.

  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There is no practical reason to learn the Irish language. There are plenty of practical reasons not to deal with the British.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because Irish people decided they didn't consider it that important. Irish language was genuinely important for de Valera and his generation, and was a crucial part of their understanding of what Irish nationalism should be. However, it just wasn't as important to the next generation, who wanted to focus more on prosperity and modernization rather than pure nationalism. de Valera's successors, Sean Lemass and Jack Lynch, de-emphasized Irish and it went from there. Not to say that Irish has been abandoned but it's just a matter of secondary importance to people in how they understand what it means to be Irish and how important it is to them.
    >They might as well have just stayed part of Britain tbh.
    I mean that's just stupid as hell.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Irishfag here

    There are a lot of factors, but it's important to remember that the Gaelic culture of which Irish was the language basically collapsed in the Elizabethan era. The Flight of the Earls meant that the aristocracy got entirely replaced with Bongs (which is still the case today), and without their patronage the native Irish art forms like sung poetry vanished because no one could afford to pay people to learn, perform and compose such highly complex works. They still exist in the form of Sean-Nos singing but its a much simpler art form than what existed previously.

    The famine then produced mass poverty and forced people to learn english for work and/or emigrate. Because the country's economy was in ruins (a situation that persisted well after independence) parents started only speaking English to their children so they'd have more opportunities in life. The new state attempt to halt this but the decline was already in motion.

    It might have worked if they had banned English in public usage or something from Day 1 but the damage was done by that point. The government kept it on life support by making it mandatory in schools, funding Irish radio (and eventually TV) etc., and founding Gaelscoils, schools in which English is forbidden and only Irish can be used (still a very popular option to this day).

    The mandatory Irish backfired a bit because now people associate it with being forced to learn it in school, but it did keep it alive.

    The number of second-language speakers is growing but as a first language its in trouble, the reason being that there are zero jobs or opportunites in the West where it's most spoken, Dublin is the only real option for a successful career as a wagie (maybe Cork at a stretch). Consequently there's nothing really holding younger people to those communities anymore

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >inb4 ir*sh spammers

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Colbert
    >Oliver
    >Kimmell

    Not Irish names

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >map

    This is missing a few such as Muskerry in Cork I think

  7. 1 year ago
    duab

    Because Celtoids are sub humans

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Celts are naturally submissive and made to be conquered and assimilated

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    None of the people in the Pic are Irish they're all Americans. Is that one of your israeli websites trying to scapegoat Americans of Irish ancestry for what the Yids have done to America? I don't think anyone is buying it.

    Celts are naturally submissive and made to be conquered and assimilated

    The Celts are 19th century invention. There was no Celtic race and the peoples who were called Celts were just generic western Europeans and are the British, Irish, French, Germans of today. No one in Ireland calls themselves a Celt or anything like that so maybe you should abandon your schizo seething because you're only seething against Celts because you think Irish = Celt and by attacking the Celts you are attacking us but you're wasting your time and you are most likely descended from people who are known today as Celts.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >None of the people in the Pic are Irish they're all Americans.
      Americans are g a race and yes they are of Irish descent, not German, Norwegian nor English, but IRISH

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        are not*

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        are not*

        The people in that Pic are Americans and their mutted ancestry doesn't matter. And as someone has pointed out none of them have Irish surnames.

        >Colbert
        >Oliver
        >Kimmell
        >Biden

        Not one of those surnames are Gaelic.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >No one in Ireland calls themselves a Celt or anything like that
      I disagree with most of your post but this is true. Of all the people in these islands it is the English who are most obsessed with Celticism and identifying and classifying the traits of their neighbours and themselves as Celtic. For all the caricature of the Irish as obsessed with an imagined Celtic past the word 'Celtic' has never been especially important to Irish self-identification and national identity whereas English accounts of the Irish, Scottish Gaels and Welsh in the 19th century bring up the Celts again and again. The English project their fascination with things Celtic onto their Celtic neighbours, and they assume the nationalism of the Celtic peoples is larp inspired by something like their own Celtomania

      >The Celts are 19th century invention. There was no Celtic race and the peoples who were called Celts were just generic western Europeans and are the British, Irish, French, Germans
      I disagree. There are clear structural parallels between the societies and cultures of the medieval insular Celts and those of the continent as described by the classical authors. The affinity of medieval Gaelic Ireland with pre-Roman Gaul has been recognised for centuries.

      Celts are naturally submissive and made to be conquered and assimilated

      The Celts who know think they're English perhaps. Of all the peoples in these isles the English are the most conquered and mutted.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because for most Irish 'nationalists', Irish nationalism was just a code word for Catholic chauvinism. They either didn't care about the Irish language or were actively hostile to it as a provincial backwater dialect that made them look like a bunch of hicks. Ironically genuine Irish nationalism was begun and most heavily concentrated in the Protestant community, but a handful of amateur enthusiasts from a different class and religion to the majority of the population weren't ever going to have much effect.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It seems the more "independent" these nations get the more soulless and international they become.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the bloody english

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The efforts to revitalise the Irish language were operating under the assumption that was pretty common at the time that national boundaries were synonymous with linguistic boundaries, the Irish were different, so they should speak their own tongue, overtime this view has become less prominent, so Gaelic goes from an essential proof that Ireland is a nation distinct from England/Britain, to a second language at best, as the the economic benefits of speaking English present themselves.

    Basically, after a generation or two independent, the fact that Ireland was a distinct nation was obvious, and didn't need to be reinforced with linguistic barriers between it and her former overlord.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Irish are already mixed with significant English ancestry and DNA from Great Britain, on top of extra Scandinavian Norse patrilineal DNA more so than most of England received.

    They are still culturally and linguistically Anglos, no matter how much they deny it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This
      Welsh kept their language for so long because the English didn't really give a shit about wales after they conquered it and as a result they remained pure

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    At this rate they're going to need one of these.

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